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Re:Misplaced Pages:Miscellaneous deletion/User talk:Rex071404/Liberal Editors Cabal

Hi, I noticed your vote on there and saw some your edits and wanted to let you know a few things

1. Your vote might not be counted since you're a new voter(i'll paste the template below)
2. You should take a look atWP:CIVIL,WP:WQT, WP:NOT,WP:NPOV and WP:NPA. You had one foot in breaking the third example at WP:NPA, and from scanning some of your edits and edit summaries, you'll probably put the other foot in fairly soon at this rate. If you don't follow those guidelines and others and continue on the subjective advocacy path you currently seem to be on, you'll probably follow a long line of right and left wing extremists such as our friend Rex there as well as Silverback, Ultramarine, Bigdaddy777 and -Ril- who recieved long and potentally permanent bans from Misplaced Pages.
3. I'm a Liberal and I also voted keep, not because I found that page to have any merit(the content is irrelevant on there), but because precedent on similiar pages was in favor of that page not being deleted, and if a page like that is deleted, I assume that anyone looking to violate WP:POINT will try to delete one of my user pages as some kind of vendetta for something arbitrary.
   

Personally, from your animosity towards Liberalism, I don't understand how your brand of Libertarianism differs from Conservatism, since most Libertarian advocates I know outside of Misplaced Pages consider Libertarianism half Liberal and half Conservative, just like on the Nolan Test. However, that's a discussion for another time, because here on Misplaced Pages, you're a Wikipedian first regardless of whatever your political beliefs are. A good person to talk to on this would be MONGO; he's on the right and i'm on the left, but I think he's a far better Wikipedian than many on the left, and in the end that's all that counts.

Here's the template, please feel free to contact my talk page with any more questions. Karmafist 06:25, 22 October 2005 (UTC) Template:Newvoter

Wow!

I must say, i'm really impressed at your edits after the letter there, they exemply WP:AGF. Good job, my friend! I just have this feeling that you're going to make a kickass Wikipedian, and i'm glad I wrote that letter there.

I don't know if I'll hit on all the points of your response, but i'll try..

• The "New Voter" thing I believe is an unwritten rule, due mostly to sockpuppets, but also due to new voters not having a complete grasp of Deletion Policy, although most users never completely understand it since like real life law, Misplaced Pages law is constantly evolving. The best thing to do there is understand Misplaced Pages is a Sociocracy and not a Majoritarian Democracy and focus on non-ad hominem votes and comments. You're probably just past the boundary of "New Voter" --it's around 50 usually, but that's not an exact rule, as with most of the "unwritten rules". Even the actual guidelines aren't enforced by the letter alot of the time, and then there's WP:IAR, which can be awfully confusing at first. I've been around the block a few times(I went over 3,300 edits today), so don't be afraid to ask for advice.

As for the hatred thing, i've seen it all to frequently on both sides, and it disgusted me, along with alot of other things, last year when I was a volunteer/paid canvasser during the presidential campaign and ran for state rep. Desperation and a feeling of disempowerment can cause that, trust me, i've seen the correlation during my time as a Red Sox fan. ;-) I wish someday that I could become a higher level politician and try to change that sense of polarization that we've got in this country right now, but my career is in the toilet and it's beginning to look like it's not feasible.

Oh yeah, have you seen [Political Compass.com? It's basically a better version of that Nolan Test link you sent me(I always score around the edge of Libertarian and Liberal on those)

Your vote counts !

Here is another opportunity to vote on a topic that likely interests you: Talk:Stolen Honor#RfC re scope of this article

Rex071404 17:58, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Hello

Regarding User_talk:Sam_Spade/Theoretical_Biases#Buddy_List, we have Misplaced Pages:Trust network, but its not really in use. If you'd like to get in touch w me I'm very accessable, and glad to try to help or discuss or whatever. Incidentilly, I'm not a Libertarian, but I like them alot, and have voted libertarian more than once, w the idea that if nothing else, they arn't going to oppress me! Drop a note @ User talk:Sam Spade sometime, Cheers,

Sam Spade 00:42, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

You're a re-run

Just so you know (FreePeopleAreHappyPeople (talk · contribs) + LegalBreifs (talk · contribs)) / (DavidsCrusader (talk · contribs)) = (Lawyer2b (talk · contribs)), seriously, try the mime next time, or the wiki cowboy, far less over played choices--64.12.116.9 17:44, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm not quite sure how to respond to your post except to say you basically copied the same thing from Misplaced Pages:Miscellaneous deletion/User talk:Rex071404/Liberal Editors Cabal where I replied beforehand. I'm not a sockpuppet, what can I say? (shrug) But please let me know to whom I belong. I'd love to meet other libertarian non-sockpuppets.  :-) -- Lawyer2b 01:20, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

• What part of the mime is funnier aren't you understanding, oh and welcome back after your 3 month vaccation, always nice to meet a not-sockpuppet--172.129.152.98 05:07, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for the welcome back. Hurricane Wilma wreaked havoc down here and created a back-loaded semester so I just haven't had the time to edit that much. Regarding the mime, I don't get that at all so please do explain. :-) Lawyer2b 05:14, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Black Box (band)

Hi Lawyer2b. With regard to you edit on the above article, is the "good percentage of that song" quotation taken from the website referenced immediately after it? I couldn't find the quote on that site and it sounds odd to me - wouldn't it me more likely to be something like "a good percentage of the earnings/royalties from that song"? Regards, CLW 17:47, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

CLW: I thought there might be some question and considered mentioning his lawyer's name, Patrick McNamara. I just added it so hopefully it will be easier for someone to find the direct quote, which I think I quoted correctly. His attorney probably didn't use the word "earnings/royalty" because in his world, it's so obvious it goes without saying but I understand your questioning it.  :-) Lawyer2b 18:06, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

In that case, given that there isn't yet a source for the direct quote, I'll remove the quote marks (and reword) so that it doesn't look like a direct quote. CLW 18:12, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm confused. You say there isn't a direct source for the direct quote but I just gave it: his attorney, Patrick McNamara. If you go to www.danhartman.com and click on the "Patrick McNamara" link there is a page of comments that appear to be typed by Patrick McNamara himself. On that page is the direct quote, "After much negotiation, Dan ended up with a good percentage of that song." Let me know if this satisfies the source requirement. Lawyer2b 18:19, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

I said there wasn't a source ("yet"), because at the time I wrote my previous comment, your most recent comment was that you thought it was quoted correctly and you hadn't been able to find the quote ("it will be easier for someone to find the direct quote"). Now, subsequent to my previous comment, you've found the source. Hope that clears up the confusion!

However, I still think the quote should be replaced with my paraphrasing of it - as pointed out above, it sounds odd because it's grammatically incorrect (they would have given Hartman a percentage of the earnings, not a percentage of the song), and could therefore be potentially confusing for users, particularly if English isn't their first language. CLW 18:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

When I typed, "I think I quoted it correctly", I was trying to be gentle because I didn't want to come across as, "I quoted it correctly. Dammit." But I can see how it could've been seen as, "I'm not sure if I quoted it correctly." I can also see how that led you to interpret my saying, "it will be easier for someone to find the direct quote", to mean, "I hadn't found it yet", when in fact I just meant it would be easier for others to find the direct quote as I had already. Sorry. Let me just say that I did find the quote and knew what I was quoting before I ever edited the Block Box entry in the first place.

I guess I see what you're saying regarding the wording. I happen to like how his lawyer put it, as its colloquial, but since wikipedia is unfortunately not about what I think sounds cool but rather making things easy for people to understand, if you change it as you see fit you'll get no objection from me.  ;-) Lawyer2b 19:20, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

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