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I regularly remove uncited information, negative or otherwise, from WP:BLP and related articles. You may here to discuss that. Before you begin, please review the following and familiarize yourself with our Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons policy. Thanks!

• Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced—whether the material is negative, positive, or just questionable—should be removed immediately and without waiting for discussion.
• However in many cases the appropriate use of administrative tools such as page protection and deletion is necessary for the enforcement of the biographies of living persons policy.
• If the entire page is substantially of poor quality, primarily containing contentious material that is unsourced or poorly sourced, then it may be necessary to delete the entire page as an initial step, followed by discussion.
• In order to ensure that information about living people is always policy-compliant (written neutrally to a high standard, and based on good quality reliable sources) the burden of proof is on those who wish to retain, restore, or undelete the disputed material. Editors adding or restoring material must ensure it meets all Misplaced Pages content policies and guidelines, not just verifiability of sources.

I can NOT emphasize this enough.

There seems to be a terrible bias among some editors that some sort of random speculative "I heard it somewhere" pseudo information is to be tagged with a "needs a cite" tag. Wrong. It should be removed, aggressively, unless it can be sourced.

— Jimmy Wales

I haven't reviewed the specifics of your recent article deletions, so I can't vouch for each and every one of them of course, but I wanted to fully endorse the principles that, as I understand it, you have used in your deletions: unsourced BLPs that have been around for several years are an easy and obvious first target, and your deletions, while unconventional and a bit exciting for some, were carefully considered and I consider this a valid application of WP:BOLD. You have my support.

— Jimmy Wales

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Abhigyan Prakash

He was won a fairly notable (there is no standard in India for news channel awards) award for best anchor. But i am not sure if this enough to ensure notability.--Sodabottle (talk) 17:58, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your note Sodabottle. Ultimately I guess I hope that any WP:BLP article that survives an AFD has received some kind of non-trivial coverage from a reliable third party publication. I checked out the 3 references in the current article and they're all passing mentions of the "X said this" or "Y visited here" type. Perhaps this is wishful thinking. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 03:01, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Quinton Hoover

The closing administrator is familiar with my history. Prior to my rename, I edited under Avruch. Nathan 00:39, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay... I'm pretty disappointed with most of the keep comments, especially when taking into consideration that the article still relies upon a single source. I'm also still not convinced of the notability of this subject, either. Since the outcome was "no consensus" do you think you could try to locate some better sourcing for this article? JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 01:56, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Stephan Martinière

Please stop removing cited material as you did here. As it states at WP:PRIMARY, primary sources are perfectly acceptable in articles. While they can not be used to establish notability, they can be used for citing other facts in the article. As this particular citation is not being used to interpret anything, but to merely back up a statement of fact (that he attended high school in Paris), it is perfectly acceptable to use in the article. Do not remove this material again or it will be considered vandalism. Thank you for your cooperation. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WikiProject Japan! 16:38, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

I'm calling bullshit on this. As it states in WP:PRIMARY, I will quote: "Our policy: Primary sources that have been reliably published may be used in Misplaced Pages, but only with care, because it is easy to misuse them". I think your use of this primary source is careless and WP:UNDUE. Please try to find a better source or it can and should be removed. JBsupreme (talk) ✄ ✄ ✄ 16:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)