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| ::::With due respect... It appears to me that you went by the rulebook and didn't examine the facts thoroughly... 2 days are by no means a "fairly short time" when a match that lasts less than 2 hours is concerned...--] (]) 14:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC) | ::::With due respect... It appears to me that you went by the rulebook and didn't examine the facts thoroughly... 2 days are by no means a "fairly short time" when a match that lasts less than 2 hours is concerned...--] (]) 14:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
| :::::I don't know where you got the idea that I was proposing deletion of anything, I never said anything of the kind. Thank you for admitting I went by the rules, which require me to be an expert on the ], not the subject matter of the article on which protection is being requested. ] (]) 16:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC) | :::::I don't know where you got the idea that I was proposing deletion of anything, I never said anything of the kind. Thank you for admitting I went by the rules, which require me to be an expert on the ], not the subject matter of the article on which protection is being requested. ] (]) 16:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC) | ||
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Re: UEFA Euro 2012 qualifying Group F page protection
Hello there. I just wanted to discuss the full protection of the Group F page that you imposed after an IP user requested it. I think that your action might have been a little... harsh.
IP users adding live scores is a staple of the international football pages, and has been for all the years that I've been on Misplaced Pages. Someone always does it for at least one of the group pages on every matchday, and all the establishes users revert it and that person either gives up or the matches finish anyway. It's not really edit warring, so much as reverting a minor form of vandalism which is factually correct but against wiki's rules.
In any case, the very definition of this live score "edit warring" is that it only happens during matches. Once the matches are over, the page is updated to record the match results and scorers and there is no further issue. Updating scores after matches is very much the raison d'être of the page. What it seems you have done is to take a guaranteeably temporary minor 1-IP edit conflict and extended it to completely shut down a page on it's opening weekend. I would suggest that this is bit of an overreaction.
Semi-protection would have been more appropriate, but there are many useful IP edits on the football pages over a matchday and it would be unfair to block these users over a point of technicality which lasted 8 edits over a period of an hour. In any case, full protection stops absolutely everyone involved making any changes to a page for a currently active event; a page which is one of at least 10 that will have exactly the same potential minor issue at least twice over the next 6 days. If you feel that all these pages should be semi-protected for the next 7 days then that would technically be helpful, but as it would be against the spirit of Misplaced Pages I would not even feel comfortable about asking for that. I would simply ask that you remove protection from the page so that users can continue updating it.
Thank you. Aheyfromhome (talk) 20:34, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- I fully agree with that. The current status prevents readers from getting accurate and updated information. Is that what Misplaced Pages for?--Nitsansh (talk) 21:50, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- To be blunt, no that is not what Misplaced Pages is for. This is not a newspaper or ESPN, it's an encyclopedia. Edit warring is not acceptable no matter the reason. Technically I could have blocked both the ip and Aheyfromhome for edit warring (it's literally impossible for one user to edit war despite your claim to the contrary) and of course adding semi protection would give the Ahey the upper hand in the edit war, so really this was the only "soft" option left.Beeblebrox (talk) 23:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
- Since the game is apparently over for now I have lifted the protection. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Do you imply that there's no room for any article on current sports events in WP? This could be a reason for deletion of thousands of such pages. You may be surprised, but I often find WP a more useful source than any sports news website... the way many of these pages are edited and formatted in WP gives much more information on sports events, whether they are past, present or future. If you're going to suggest deletion of such pages, I will be strongly against it, and I guess I won't be alone...--Nitsansh (talk) 14:30, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- With due respect... It appears to me that you went by the rulebook and didn't examine the facts thoroughly... 2 days are by no means a "fairly short time" when a match that lasts less than 2 hours is concerned...--Nitsansh (talk) 14:45, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- I don't know where you got the idea that I was proposing deletion of anything, I never said anything of the kind. Thank you for admitting I went by the rules, which require me to be an expert on the protection policy, not the subject matter of the article on which protection is being requested. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:10, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- Since the game is apparently over for now I have lifted the protection. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:47, 3 September 2010 (UTC)
- To be blunt, no that is not what Misplaced Pages is for. This is not a newspaper or ESPN, it's an encyclopedia. Edit warring is not acceptable no matter the reason. Technically I could have blocked both the ip and Aheyfromhome for edit warring (it's literally impossible for one user to edit war despite your claim to the contrary) and of course adding semi protection would give the Ahey the upper hand in the edit war, so really this was the only "soft" option left.Beeblebrox (talk) 23:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)
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