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:By reading more into it, the only reason I could see for this is if WeijiBaikeBianji felt this synthesized paragraph supported his own beliefs. I can't be sure of anything, it just doesn't add up for me to see why someone wouldn't acknowledge the clearly sloppy style of the passage I mentioned.-] (]) 02:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC) | :By reading more into it, the only reason I could see for this is if WeijiBaikeBianji felt this synthesized paragraph supported his own beliefs. I can't be sure of anything, it just doesn't add up for me to see why someone wouldn't acknowledge the clearly sloppy style of the passage I mentioned.-] (]) 02:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC) | ||
'''Comments by Mathsci''' | |||
* From what has been said by the three administrators that have commented above and below (Looie, Angus McLellan, and Timotheus Canens), the evidence presented does not show any need for enforcement (no edit warring, personal attacks, etc). | |||
* {{formeradmin|NuclearWarfare}} is currently (temporarily and voluntarily since Oct 12 ) not an administrator so strictly speaking should probably have placed his comment outside the "uninvolved administrators" section below. His topic ban on Ferahgo the Assassin still stands, but he is temporarily not an administrator. | |||
* Ferhago the Assassin's most recent edits at the moment do not seem to be compatible with her topic ban. After getting the statements by the three uninvolved admimistrators—apparently not to her satisfaction—she ] a hand-picked set of editors of the articles from which she is topic-banned concerning this enforcement request. Presumably Ferahgo the Assassin was aided in the selection by Captain Occam. Far from staying awaying from this topic, the pair of them have sought out loopholes and possible inconsistencies between statements of administrators in order to continue the ] that Captain Occam was fighting "tooth and nail" (to quote Shell Kinney) against his perceived opponents at the close of arbitration. This has been been going on for over two months. The topic ban of Ferahgo the Assasin was imposed on October 10th, when she made her request to submit here. She waited two weeks to submit. At that time two of the users she canvassed had not even made their first edits on wikipedia, one appearing on October 12th and the other on October 17th ; a third is still the subject of a ]. Captain Occam and Ferahgo the Assassin must be completely aware that this type of canvassing is disruptive—it looks like an attempt to "fix the jury"—and is a serious violation of their joint topic ban (per ]), no matter what new excuses they present to justify themselves. Enough is enough: at this juncture one or both of them should now be subject to ]. ] (]) 06:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
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Jo0doe
Result: Jo0doe blocked for 1 year |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Jo0doe
The above exmples are merely a sample of the pattern he engages in on article edits and talk pages. Essentially JD's M.O. is to find obscure foreign language sources and then falsely describe what they say in order to push his POV. It's quite time-consuming to check his "facts" which is very disruptive to the project but also shields him from sanctions because not many people want to wade through everything.
I note that in his response JD argues against his previous blocks. His refusal to acknowledge doing anything wrong in the past probably explains his ongoing problematic behavior now. All of his attempted defences of the various points I made can be easily addressed, although doing so may make this request unwieldy. This is, incidentally, what happens on the article talk pages - a lengthy spiral of false, poorly written claims by JD whose debunking merely leads to more games and so on. Should I address his points or just leave them alone?
Discussion concerning Jo0doeStatement by Jo0doeSo It’s really sad to spend time on addressing the Proof by verbosity accusations. First of all – I admit in full the difficulties with plain English – but actually it’s not a big deal for prolific editors which are interested in precise quality of facts at the WP articles – see . Even a case party ] . While – actually I’ve applied for help in that area – but, unfortunately there no response. A Second – about my 1 years long block – As you can see from this diff – I’ve accused by proof by verbosity in using the source, which I , actually, never used for reference at any WP article it’s also related to site www.ukrstor.com labeled as “Russian Nationalist Web-sites” (actually simply online book repository about history of the Ukrainian Politic Movements). I prefer to use real library - http://www.nbuv.gov.ua. Moreover I’ve a target of the WP:EEML – and as far as I’ve heard – I’ve at their “black list” – while actually it’s a not a big deal right now. Now I address the Proof by verbosity accusations
As a summary – as I can prove above – all allegations “reliable” as “fact about like "I’ve removed Himka’s text” – as you can see from my edits before – I’v use real library (- http://www.nbuv.gov.ua) and real(paper) publications of the Institute of History of Ukraine National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and other prominent Western scholar - which I can support by primary sources - historical documents - which I’ve uploaded to WP for educational proposes. Also I’ve obtain a permission to use scholar text for WP educational proposes – I’ll sent proof of it to any requested admins. It’s really sad to note – that the specific editor prefer to produce a huge Proof by verbosity accusations and remove historical documents instead of explain how it possible for organization appeared it 1929 use a logo which adopted in 1941 – or suggest a requested page(s) . So – It’s would be nice to see a an administrators decision about what actually “net positive for Misplaced Pages” – scholar texts and images of the historical documents – or hoaxes and misusing/mistranslation of the scholar texts (examples given above) - to clarify what actually “disruption” mean in the context of the WP editing. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 09:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Jo0doe
Statement by MyMoloboaccount
--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 19:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Jo0doe
I am inclined to impose a 1 year block, which is the maximum that the discretionary sanctions permit. This editor has already been blocked for most of the past two years, with little improvement to show for it. Given the weak English skills and difficulty getting facts straight, this editor cannot be seen as a net positive for Misplaced Pages. Looie496 (talk) 18:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
I have blocked Jo0doe for 1 year, which is the maximum that the discretionary sanctions allow. Administrators who feel that a longer block is necessary may alter the block parameters outside of this process, but should not describe the result as arbitration enforcement. Looie496 (talk) 20:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
Vodomar
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Request concerning Vodomar
- User requesting enforcement
- — kwami (talk) 02:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Vodomar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy that this user violated
- Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC (1RR in place)
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- Revert to a version that has been reverted multiple times and is against the consensus of all non-Croat and several Croat editors
- Weasel wording to the same effect, and not supported by the ref that it's now tagged with.
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- User_talk:Vodomar#Notice_of_WP:ARBMAC
Warning by Kubura (talk · contribs)(correction by Kubura: user:Taivo posted that warning, impersonating user Kubura )
- Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
- Revert of his latest edit, and warning/discipline as ARB feels appropriate
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
- (notification of this request and suggestion that he revert himself, which he has not done)
Discussion concerning Vodomar
Statement by Vodomar
Comments by others about the request concerning Vodomar
I concur with Kwami's assessment of the situation. Vodomar's second edit today was a WP:WEASELly way to insert the same unscientific POV into the text and does not match the clear statement of the sources that are provided as footnotes. Before I saw Kwami's report here, I warned Vodomar myself here that I considered him to be in violation of 1RR for that edit. Vodomar has stopped being a constructive participant in the discussion, has hitched his wagon to a single source that is not scientifically specialized, and has provided no references to the article. He is simply pushing his POV along with a tag team of others who provide no references and accept no references that don't agree with their POV. --Taivo (talk) 03:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Perhaps off-topic, but since the article's been protected, I thought I should mention it. A map which appears in the article was moved after the article was protected, and I updated the link in the article. This has nothing to do with the current dispute, but was done to stop a new edit war that had erupted over the map; the article now appears as it did when it was protected.
If you prefer, I can simply redirect from the original file name, and revert my minor edit to the Croatian language article, but that would require one of you to either protect the file or warn the other editor if you want the article to be stable. — kwami (talk) 18:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
1) Kwamikagami, heavily WP:INVOLVED on that topic, requires certain enforcement actions: sanctioning the opponent on the article. Is this a conflict of interest?
2) EdJohnston, you need to correct your message: in this moment, Misplaced Pages in Croatian language has 88,599 articles, Misplaced Pages in Serbian language has 134,823 articles, Misplaced Pages in "Serbo-Croatian" has 34,338 articles (many of them were copy-pasted from hr.wiki or from sr.wiki). Hr.wiki is vivid, it doesn't keep itself alive by copy-pasteing from other wikis. Kubura (talk) 23:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Vodomar
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
- I have full protected the article for 3 days. All the editors who edited in the past few days appear to have violated the 1RR restriction on the article and edit warred. They are on first inspection now all subject to the Arbmac discretionary sanctions:
- The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; restrictions on reverts; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project.
- I'm reviewing to ensure that they all had personal notifications under ARBMAC. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 06:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- Notifications review of recent editors (NOT an about-to-sanction list, nor a verified-broke-1RR list, merely for inventory purposes of everyone with multiple edits on article in last 4 days)
- Previously notified - Vodomar, JorisV, Hammer of Habsburg
- Not previously formally notified - Roberta F., Taivo, Kwamikagami, PRODUCER, Ali Pasha
- Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 07:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
- User:Vodomar is the subject of this complaint, as the person who may have broken the 1RR restriction. He is also an admin on the Croatian Misplaced Pages. He writes English very well, and has been participating in a sensible discussion at Talk:Serbo-Croatian. I suggest that this enforcement request should be closed with an indefinite full protection of Serbo-Croatian, but with the hope that the editors will be able to work out a suitable compromise on the talk page. The linguistic facts don't seem to be in dispute (who can understand whom). It is a question of how the facts ought to be correctly summarized. The editors on the talk page will hopefully be able to solve this. For those who are new to this dispute, it may be interesting to know that we have a Croatian Misplaced Pages (34,309 articles), a Serbian Misplaced Pages (134,781 articles), and a Serbo-Croatian Misplaced Pages (88,575). It would be unfortunate to treat this as a war between the editors of two Wikipedias, so an attempt at negotiation is desirable. The other option is to go the way Arbcom itself went with ARBMAC2, but I don't think we've pursued the easier options yet. EdJohnston (talk) 16:40, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- I have full protected the article for 3 days. All the editors who edited in the past few days appear to have violated the 1RR restriction on the article and edit warred. They are on first inspection now all subject to the Arbmac discretionary sanctions:
Africangenesis
Editor notified of CC remedies and promises to edit in accordance with them |
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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it. |
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Africangenesis
Discussion concerning AfricangenesisStatement by AfricangenesisWhy am I being warned about disruptive edits, when none of these are edits? And why are only comments considered uncivil and not reverts that don't assume good faith, and when they don't hold up on the talk page aren't restored leaving the article in an obviously erroneous state. Or as in Schulz case just drive-by reverting without participating on the talk page. Careless reverts by people who don't read the edits or the sources in good faith. And then there are similarly careless characterizations without careful consideration. For example, TS essentially called me a liar above, when he state that Schulz participated on the talk page relevant to his reverts. Schulz did not respond on the chemistry. And the article where Schulz "pointed out caveats in the paper on October 19.", is not the article involved in either revert. The first revert was about ocean acidification where he only left the dismissive and erroneous chemist edit summary, and the second was about the erroneous article statement that solar forcing had a cooling effect, the article was the IPCC FAR report, not one that Schulz had any caveats on. (But I do.). This is the same Schulz as before, but evidently thinks if he drives-by only once a day, he can stay under the radar. And once again TS showed the lack of careful consideration and assmption of good faith typical of those that escaped the purge. I may have been uncivil, but I was careful to be correct and was pointedly correct when I did so. But I've had my say, and it is not in my nature to be uncivil, it took conscious and conscientious effort to convict these editors of their behavior, and I am naturally too lazy to continue the effort. But you need to know, that those remaining are just as guilty as those banned, they are just little more than an ill-informed mob without their leader. That is how it worked, they were so numerous they could run under your radar. The global warming article owes much to my participation in the past, in the face of fierce opposition and hypocritical double standards for evidence. If you look back you will see I was a model of polite persistence. I came back to see if things had changed, and they have some, what is left is an ill-informed mob that tends to embarrass themselves if they try to address the science. The can't sustain scientific arguments, so they are left with only a double standard application of wikipedia arguments. But, as I say, I'm through with the incivility and any response in kind to their battleground tactics. I accept that sanctions are in force and will honor them. I actually hold myself to a higher standard. For instance, you won't see me reverting text just because it is unsourced, unless I have actual reason to believe that it is also incorrect, and I will stick around and discuss any issues or sources that are brought forward, giving the editor a fair hearing.--Africangenesis (talk) 00:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning AfricangenesisHe's still at it . --TS 23:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC) More incivility and problematic behavior:
More warnings on behavior:
Jesstalk|edits 23:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
Africangenesis is formally notified, and he has promised to abide by the sanctions, so that's it. --TS 00:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I think if he can curb such expressions during article improvement discussions that will be a great improvement. We cannot do much about what a Wikipedian actually thinks, deep down, about his fellow editors. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning Africangenesis
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WeijiBaikeBianji
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning WeijiBaikeBianji
- User requesting enforcement
- Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 10:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy that this user violated
- Misplaced Pages:ARBR&I#Advocacy, Misplaced Pages:ARBR&I#Correct_use_of_sources, Misplaced Pages:ARBR&I#Editors_reminded_and_discretionary_sanctions
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- WeijiBaikeBianji renames four articles in this topic area, replacing the direct connection to intelligence in the titles with an indirect one to IQ, without discussing this first. Less than an hour later, he suggests here that the Race and intelligence article be renamed to something similar "for parallelism with other subarticles of intelligence quotient" when the only reason this proposed name is parallel to the other articles is because he’d just unilaterally renamed them all. When I mention Fertility and intelligence (in this comment ) as one article that isn’t parallel to his proposed rename, he immediately renames that one also.
- WeijiBaikeBianji renames Race and genetics to "Genetics and the decline of race", again without any discussion. When this was subsequently discussed on the article talk page here, five editors (me, Muntuwandi, Victor Chmara, Moxy, and Dbachmann) agreed that the new title was inappropriate and/or non-neutral. Dbachmann, an administrator, referred to this move as "a rather crude example of pov-pushing by article title."
- Three examples of WeijiBaikeBianji selectively removing external links from BLP articles (the third diff is him reinstating his edit when it was reverted, without first attempting to resolve this on the discussion page). Some of the links that he removed may have not belonged there, but the problem with these edits is that they removed all of the links to articles and pages describing these researchers positively, keeping only those which were critical of them. This involved keeping the links to negative articles about these living people that were just as irrelevant as the positive ones he’d removed. In both cases, a neutral editor (Maunus) subsequently removed the critical links that WeijiBaikeBianji had kept or added, agreeing with me that they weren’t relevant either:
- Two examples of WeijiBaikeBianji removing links to other Misplaced Pages articles because they weren’t consistent with changes he was intending to make to those articles in the future. This isn’t advocacy, but it’s article ownership: other people’s edits to these articles should not be rejected only because they aren’t consistent with WeijiBaikeBianji’s plans.
- The first edit is an example of WeijiBaikeBianji removing content from an article based on what he apparently considers a misrepresentation of the one of its three sources, along with not being able to verify the other two sources. The wording that he replaced it with is non-neutral and puts the word "race" in scare quotes, even though this is not done in either the article title or any of the sources being cited. The second example is of him restoring content that someone else removed, which contained original research that was not supported by any of the sources being cited, and which also cited Misplaced Pages itself as a source. The issues with the material WeijiBaikeBianji reinstated were discussed here. I’m including these edits alongside one another because I think it’s important to compare WeijiBaikeBianji’s standards for material that supports his point of view with his standards for material that doesn't. If article content disagrees with his point of view, he’ll remove it based on very subtle sourcing issues or his inability to verify its sources, but if material supports his point of view, he’ll reinstate it when it’s removed by others even if it involves circular citations and obvious original research.
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- None yet as far as I know, although multiple editors (including admins in some cases) have expressed concern about the neutrality of his edits on article talk pages. See the discussion about his rename of the Race and genetics article for an example. He's also previously reminded other editors that the articles are subject to discretionary sanctions (for example: ) so he’s obviously already aware of this.
- Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
- I’m posting about this here because I think these things need attention via the discretionary sanctions, so it probably should be up to admins to decide what course of action is appropriate. Since WeijiBaikeBianji has not yet been formally warned about his behavior, I’m not convinced that a block or topic ban is necessary yet, and I’d consider it an acceptable result if admins were to decide that a warning and/or probation is enough. WeijiBaikeBianji probably has the potential to contribute to these articles productively if he could learn to be less aggressive about advocating his point of view, and not keep engaging in article ownership behavior. But since he doesn’t seem to be learning this on his own, I think admins need to do something to help him learn it.
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
- I should point out that I’m currently topic banned from these articles, although not because of any misconduct on my part - it’s because of the close connection between my account and that of an editor who was topic banned as a result of the arbitration case. However, both the admin who topic banned me and one of the arbitrators have told me that even while I was topic banned, it would be acceptable for me to post about it here if I felt that there was editor behavior on these articles that needed attention via the discretionary sanctions. There are several other examples of behavior from WeijiBaikeBianji that I think demonstrate advocacy and article ownership, but I’ve only provided a sampling of the behavior from him that I think makes this clearest. Since what matters here is the general behavior rather than the specific examples, it’s important that this thread not get sidetracked by discussing individual content issues. When advocacy is the one of behavioral problems being discussed, it becomes necessary to provide examples of the editor in question inserting or reinstating non-neutral content, but the discussion still needs to be about the editor behavior rather than the content itself.
- Update 10/23:
- Ok, now that the admin who topic banned me has stated that his topic ban does not extend to preventing me from posting here, I hope we can discuss the merits of this thread itself. I was initially reluctant to contact the other people who’ve been involved in this dispute because I was afraid someone would claim doing this was canvassing, but now that WeijiBaikeBianji is complaining about the fact that I haven’t done so, I’ve gone ahead with it.
- Additionally, I should point out that while it was somewhat understandable for the admins who initially commented here to be unfamiliar with this situation and to not realize that my topic ban allowed for this thread, Weiji is familiar with me and with the situation. Since his comment points out that some of the discussion has been taking place in the user talk of these admins, which is where I was attempting to explain this to them, he’s obviously seen my explanation of being given permission to post this thread and there’s no way he could be unaware of this. It seems very disingenuous to me that he would be expressing blanket agreement with the uninformed opinion that this thread should be disregarded because I'm topic banned, despite knowing full well that my topic ban was not intended to prevent this.
Discussion concerning WeijiBaikeBianji
Statement by WeijiBaikeBianji
I thank Ferahgo the Assassin for her timely notification of this request for enforcement on my user talk page. I agree with uninvolved editors Looie496, Angus McLellan, and T. Canens in their analysis of and recommended disposition for this request. I note for the record that the request for enforcement was not accompanied by notice to any of the other involved editors, whether or not they were named or referred to without naming in the request. (I also note that some of the discussion of this request is occurring away from here, on the talk pages of some of the uninvolved editors who have responded.) I think all those uninvolved editors are Misplaced Pages community administrators and that they have said all that needs to be said about this request. On my part, I will go back to article content editing because I am here to build an encyclopedia and have plenty of volunteer work to do without being bogged down in pettifogging.
Comments by others about the request concerning WeijiBaikeBianji
- Were I uninvolved - I probably am, but better to err on the side of caution - I'd endorse Looie's comment. Angus McLellan (Talk) 21:50, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- I was told specifically by an arbitrator that doing this is not a problem if I believed someone's editing behavior needs attention via the discretionary sanctions. I was told this is only a problem if I file an excessive number of these, and this is my first (possibly only) one. Additionally, my topic ban specifically allows this, since I was told by the admin who topic banned me that this would be acceptable. When I appealed my topic ban to him in his user talk, saying that whatever decision he makes should address the problems with the editing environment that are unrelated to me, he told me "You are still free to request sanction of those other editors at arbitration enforcement; at least then one decision or another will be made." -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 22:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would also like people who think I’m doing something wrong by posting about this here to read this exchange. Not only was I given permission to post here by the admin who topic banned me, but I was given permission specifically in response to requesting admin attention for the same behavior I’m reporting here, including most of the same examples/diffs.
- If I actually am doing something wrong by making this report, then there’s a serious problem here with contradictory messages from admins. Since I was given permission to post here about this exact thing, I don't see how anyone could have expected me to predict that posting about it would be regarded as abusing that permission. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- I've only done minimal editing in this area, but I could not help notice that unilateral moves to a POV title like that performed by WeijiBaikeBianji "Genetics and the decline of race" (a month ago, and soon reverted) cannot be constructive. Mind you, I also disagree with the naming (and scope) of Lewontin's Fallacy; POV titles aren't helpful either way. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- WeijiBaikeBianji also supported the use of an extreme source, Steven Rose, in the lead of Heritability of IQ, . Rose commits errors of omission, for instance failing to say that heritability may or may not depend on the environment; for some genes it does but for some it doesn't. His paper has only 3 citations, so it's hardly the mainstream view, but nevertheless WeijiBaikeBianji supports citing in verbatim in the lead of an article. (Based on his biased premises, which are cited in the Misplaced Pages article, Rose concludes in his paper that heritability is a useless measure for any purpose. The only English source that found worthwhile to cite Rose's paper so far, only used it to support this sentence: "Heritability calculations are often indirect and involve simplified models of genetic versus non-genetic contributors ". By the way, a 2009 Nature paper that is obviously at odds with Rose's conclusions somehow garnered 272 citations already. I wonder why...) Tijfo098 (talk) 00:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
- I'm new to wiki as a whole, but I read the article concerning race and intelligence and found that one edited passages concerning Richard Lynn. The edit debated Lynn's work with sources that never directly mentioned Lynn. and the discussion on the talk:
- I reverted the passage back to the way it was beforehand, but WeijiBaikeBianji reverted back to the synthesized, not properly sourced edit. He stated that it was okay, but he didn't even address that it wasn't synthesis of sources that never mentioned Lynn.
- By reading more into it, the only reason I could see for this is if WeijiBaikeBianji felt this synthesized paragraph supported his own beliefs. I can't be sure of anything, it just doesn't add up for me to see why someone wouldn't acknowledge the clearly sloppy style of the passage I mentioned.-SightWatcher (talk) 02:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Comments by Mathsci
- From what has been said by the three administrators that have commented above and below (Looie, Angus McLellan, and Timotheus Canens), the evidence presented does not show any need for enforcement (no edit warring, personal attacks, etc).
- NuclearWarfare (talk · contribs · former admin: blocks · protections · deletions · rights · meta · local rights) is currently (temporarily and voluntarily since Oct 12 ) not an administrator so strictly speaking should probably have placed his comment outside the "uninvolved administrators" section below. His topic ban on Ferahgo the Assassin still stands, but he is temporarily not an administrator.
- Ferhago the Assassin's most recent edits at the moment do not seem to be compatible with her topic ban. After getting the statements by the three uninvolved admimistrators—apparently not to her satisfaction—she canvassed a hand-picked set of editors of the articles from which she is topic-banned concerning this enforcement request. Presumably Ferahgo the Assassin was aided in the selection by Captain Occam. Far from staying awaying from this topic, the pair of them have sought out loopholes and possible inconsistencies between statements of administrators in order to continue the WP:BATTLE that Captain Occam was fighting "tooth and nail" (to quote Shell Kinney) against his perceived opponents at the close of arbitration. This has been been going on for over two months. The topic ban of Ferahgo the Assasin was imposed on October 10th, when she made her request to submit here. She waited two weeks to submit. At that time two of the users she canvassed had not even made their first edits on wikipedia, one appearing on October 12th and the other on October 17th ; a third is still the subject of a sock puppet investigation. Captain Occam and Ferahgo the Assassin must be completely aware that this type of canvassing is disruptive—it looks like an attempt to "fix the jury"—and is a serious violation of their joint topic ban (per WP:SHARE), no matter what new excuses they present to justify themselves. Enough is enough: at this juncture one or both of them should now be subject to WP:ARBR&I#Enforcement. Mathsci (talk) 06:58, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
Result concerning WeijiBaikeBianji
- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
I propose that this request be dismissed and the requesting party be prohibited from filing enforcement requests in this area. An editor who is topic-banned should not be filing enforcement requests unless there are clear and obvious violations, which is not the case here. Looie496 (talk) 19:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
- When you are topic banned, you are banned from the topic, that is, you are banned from making any edit that has anything to do with the topic. This request has a lot to do with the topic. Therefore, it is within the scope of your topic ban. And, no, this is not "necessary and legitimate dispute resolution", because this request has nothing to do with your topic ban. Really, when you are banned, you should disengage and find something else to work with. T. Canens (talk) 03:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- I would disagree with the rest of you, at least in the theoretical sense. Nothing in my topic ban was meant to stop Ferahgo from filing a topic ban request. Now, I don't think that it would be wise for her to do this, and in fact think that she should abandon the topic area altogether. But I think this request should be evaluated on its own merits and the idea of preventing her from filing AE reports should only be discussed if this becomes a persistent problem. NW (Talk) 19:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Socking at Global climate model
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There's a very obvious "duck test" sock trying to shoe-horn his opinion into this article by edit warring.
And possibly:
--TS 21:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
I think this is me again. I filed cases in multiple venues without really flagging what I was up to. Between 2113 and 2144 I filed cases here, at WP:RFPP and at WP:SPI with no real coordination and not knowing that the Stevehhll case had already been filed by TenOfAllTrades. It's even worse than that--before actually doing anything I edit warred up to three reverts with that very aptly names sock puppet, "The great sluggo". Must. Not. Panic. So. Much. Sorry everybody. Thanks Looie for the prompt semi-protection of the page and the pro-active approach. We need to co-ordinate a bit more, that's all. All in all, not bad for a Friday evening when a young man's fancy turns to... oh TMI. --TS 22:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC) |
CC: Uninvolved eye (and voice)
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Hi. Can someone obviously uninvolved take a look at the following edits (and edit summaries) by User: Lumidek and, if deemed appropriate, lend a calming voice to the situation? Thanks. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
The Keith Briffa article has seen what appears to be the renewal of an attempt to add BLP-violating material (poorly sourced speculation) that was last there back in Spring and apparently pushed by the same parties who are now back to try again. I've put a request for the article to be temporarily given full protection to stop this campaign in its tracks. There are not newcomers but editors who have tried to insert this stuff before. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC) Collect, please be arcse that edit summaries such as those you quote are emphatically not acceptable, and thic anybody abusing Misplaced Pages editing privileges in that way under the discretionary sanctions will come under scrutiny. The old "us versus them" mentality is dead. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
On his user page Lumidek identifies himself as the celebrated theoretical physicist Luboš Motl. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:34, 23 October 2010 (UTC) It seems that Luboš hasn't changed much since this blogosphere analogue of an AN/I thread, take particular note of the comment by User:John Baez posted here. Count Iblis (talk) 19:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
Everybody needs to stop creating sections here that are not specific enforcement requests. If you have any doubts, please read the instructions at the top of the page. If you file a request here, at a minimum you need to specify the remedy that is involved and how it applies to the current situation. This is not ANI. Looie496 (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
- I suggest you re-read WP:BURO. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 20:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Lumidek
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Request concerning Lumidek
Other than informal warnings about the discretionary sanctions and their applicability to his first edit today, Lumidek has received no prior warnings about the sanctions resulting from the recently concluded arbitration case.
Discussion concerning LumidekStatement by LumidekComments by others about the request concerning LumidekResult concerning Lumidek
Lumidek has been notified, and the notice has been logged. Looie496 (talk) 20:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
Off2riorob
User formally notified of ARBCC discretionary sanctions. No further action taken at this time. T. Canens (talk) 23:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Off2riorob
This violates in particular Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change#Biographies_of_living_people and Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change#Disruptive_editing.
Should really not be necessary, since the editor is well aware of the ArbCom case, having participated in the discussion and later discussed the outcome. However, a warning was added while I filled in this too-long form:
Discussion concerning Off2riorobStatement by Off2riorobComments by others about the request concerning Off2riorobI was in the middle of filing an identical request on this sequence of events when User:Timotheus Canens warned Off2riorob and logged it with commendable efficiency . Off2riorob has also been blocked for edit warring. --TS 22:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC) I think this one's done. Noting that Louie496 has warned the editor: "This is pretty disappointing, as it's clear that the motive for those edits was malicious. In my view, any repetition of this behavior is likely to get you either topic-banned from the CC domain or blocked for a substantial period of time." . --TS 22:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
Looie496 is perfectly correct about the warning requirement. No further sanction should be under consideration at this point. The editor is now in receipt of a warning--TS 23:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC) Result concerning Off2riorob
Um, anything left to do here? T. Canens (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
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