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| =====<big>13 October 2010</big>===== | |||
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| ======<span style="font-size:150%"> Suspected sockpuppets </span>====== | |||
| * {{checkuser|1=Captain Occam}} | |||
| * {{checkuser|1=mikemikev}} | |||
| * {{checkuser|1=David.Kane}} | |||
| * {{checkuser|1=Ferahgo the Assassin}} | |||
| * {{checkuser|1=Jagz}} | |||
| <!-- You may duplicate the templates above ({{checkuser}} and {{checkIP}}) to list more accounts--> | |||
| ======<span style="font-size:150%"> Evidence submitted by ] </span>====== | |||
| The account Miradre was created on October 10, 2010, three days after Feragho (Captain Occam's roommate) was topic banned from R/I articles after months of being told to avoid the topic area , ,. Since that time Miradre has pursued editing articles under the umbrella of that topic ban in a manner consistent with ] and ], making over 175 edits in the three days, all in R/I related articles. As of 10/19/2010, over 90% of Miradre's article edits have been in R/I related articles. Miradre is clearly an experienced editor, citing policy, and carefully avoiding edit wars. Many of the edits have been pursuant to elevating the status of researchers like ] and ], proponents of similar minority viewpoints with respect to race and intelligence, and minimising those with opposing views. There is a possibility that Miradre is a sock puppet (or a meat puppet) of one of the users above. For that reason, I am requesting a check-user. Diffs follow: | |||
| Miradre is an experienced editor: | |||
| * first edit mentions how merging is usually handled | |||
| * third edit updates complex ref: | |||
| The evidence below is presented to establish Miradre's ] and ] behavior. A short summary of the ] and ] behavior of the banned users can be found on the ArbComm case page: , , . | |||
| * uses excessive discussion to stall productive edits | |||
| * quote mines policy pages to misrepresent policy | |||
| * misinterprets ] to say that all peer-reviewed publications are notable. | |||
| * uses false doubt to dispute well sourced info: , , , | |||
| * synthesis, and selective presentation of primary source: | |||
| * more synthesis | |||
| * removal of material sourced to Flynn from ] article , | |||
| * sanitised criticism of Lynn: , , | |||
| * expanded Rushton's review of Lynn's work from one sentence to three paragraphs: , | |||
| * using synth to justify inclusion of tangential material , , for the purposes of elevating the status of Lynn's book. | |||
| * more synth, selectively summarising book | |||
| * far too much ]: , , , , , | |||
| It may be that Miradre is not one of the banned editors, however the tactics used are similar in style and nature to those used by the banned users. If this user does not turn out to be a sock puppet of one of the banned users, the user may be a meat puppet. and both have a history of recruiting meat puppets from off-wiki, and ] has a history of using sock puppets. It's possible that this user is acting independent of the group of banned users. | |||
| It may be that a check-user or SPI is not the best way to handle this situation. If so, please advise. ] (]) 20:18, 13 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::'''Response to Captain Occam''' I appreciate Captain Occam's timely comments. His suggestion that there is a long list of users that could be using Miradre as a sock is apt. There are more than a dozen users who participated in one way or another in mediation and arbitration. Occam, and the others, were not notified because it's not clear if Miradre is a sock-puppet, a meat-puppet, or simply an uninvolved editor that shares the same ] behavior as the banned users, or as he has pointed out, one of other many parties involved in mediation and arbitration. | |||
| :::I acknowledge above that coming to SPI may not be the correct way to handle this. I come here at the suggestion of another user as to the best way to handle this situation. | |||
| :::With respect to Occam's history of recruiting like minded editors, ] freely acknowledges that he was invited here by Captain Occam , after discussions on a blog indicated that they held similar views about race and intelligence. . ] (]) 21:44, 13 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::'''Response to Miradre''' You've clearly edited wikipedia using a different user name. You could very easily clear this up by explaining why you've opened a new account to edit under this topic area. ] (]) 22:17, 13 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::'''Response to Muntuwandi''' Thank you for your suggestion of the additional user. I was not around when Jagz was banned, so I was not familiar with his manner or tactics. Reviewing his contribution history it seems that if Miradre is a sock puppet of a banned account, then Jagz seems a better fit than the ones I initially listed. ] (]) 05:54, 19 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::'''Response to Captain Occam''' Again, thank you for your timely response to my edit. I'll note that you yourself observed that there were quite a few other users who might be using Miradre as a the sock puppet. However, this SPI request is only concerned with sock puppets used by banned users, and is not a fishing expedition. As Jagz is a banned editor with a history of editing in this area, adding ''only'' him to the list seems reasonable. I'm not quite clear what you're referring to with respect to forum shopping, but I do appreciate you keeping a close watch on this SPI. ] (]) 15:16, 19 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :::'''Response to Miradre''' This SPI is only to verify that you are not a banned user. You could clear this up by noting why you started a new account to edit in this topic area instead of using your original account. ] (]) 20:01, 19 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ======<span style="font-size:150%"> Comments by accused parties </span>====== | |||
| <small><span style="font-weight:normal">''See ].''</span></small> | |||
| Although I wasn’t notified of this SPI, since my name is on the list of suspected sockpuppets I’ll offer a comment here. | |||
| This SPI seems to have the same fundamental problem as the . To quote the admin who denied a checkuser in that case, “CU is for finding socks of a sockmaster, not the other way around.” There may be some evidence of POV-pushing here, but from the fact that you’ve listed four different possible sockpuppeteers, it seems clear that there isn’t any behavioral evidence to link this account with a specific other user. | |||
| If Miradre is someone who’s previously edited Misplaced Pages and is coming back under a new account, a likely possibility is that they’re someone who previously quit these articles out of frustration rather than being banned. There are more people who have quit these articles for that reason than who have been banned—examples of this include Quizkajer, Legalleft, Varoon Arya, DistributiveJustice, Rvcx, and Bpesta22. There are a few of these people (such as Varoon Arya and Bpesta22) who I think can probably be ruled out as Miradre’s alterego just because his behavior has very little in common with theirs, but the point is that Miradre being one of these people is just as likely as him being a sockpuppet. It isn’t sockpuppetry to register a new account if there aren’t any sanctions against the old account, and both accounts aren’t active at the same time. | |||
| I should also point out that the claim that I have “a history of recruiting meat puppets from off-wiki” is an example of a claim about me that’s been made repeatedly by a few users, but that has never been supported by any evidence. For example, it was not mentioned in the finding of fact about me in the race and intelligence arbitration case. But anyway, what really matters here is that I haven’t used any sockpuppet accounts, and I’m pretty confident that Ferahgo hasn’t either. I don’t know whether or not Mikemikev or David.Kane have, but I’m familiar enough with both of their behavior that I’m pretty sure Miradre also isn’t either of them. So admins can run a checkuser if they like—it won’t turn up anything about me, and I’m pretty sure it won’t turn up anything at all. | |||
| If checkuser is going to be used here, admins should keep in mind that since Ferahgo and I go online from the same network, there will be some overlap in the IP addresses used by my account and hers (this is why my topic ban was eventually extended to her). But there won’t be any between either of our accounts and the suspected sockpuppet. --] (]) 21:17, 13 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Response to Aprock''' | |||
| :I've explained this issue before, including ''specifically in response to you'', as well as in the AN/I discussion that you linked to. The only thing that Bpesta22 indicated in the thread where I encountered him on Scienceblogs was that he was a cognitive psychologist, and that he thought IQ was a valid measure of mental ability. He didn't mention his opinion about race there at all, and I did not know what his opinion was about race until ''after'' inviting him here. When this accusation was made during the arbitration case, I even linked to the Scienceblogs thread in which this was discussed, so that other people could verify that what I was saying about it was correct. The race and intelligence article was tagged as needing attention from an expert, and no one has yet explained how my inviting the first expert I encountered to participate in this article was any different from what this tag is specifically requesting people to do. | |||
| :For you to try and justify your suspicion of sockpuppetry by claiming that this was an example of me deliberately "recruiting like minded editors" from off-Wiki, despite having the problem with this claim pointed out to you multiple times, seems very disingenuous. And in the absence of this or any other evidence linking Miradre with a specific other user, the justification for an SPI about him seems rather flimsy. --] (]) 22:09, 13 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Additional comments''' | |||
| :I find the attitude being expressed here to be kind of inappropriate. It was strange enough that this SPI listed four different potential sockmasters, without any behavioral evidence linking Miradre specifically to any one of us. And now, after checkuser has cleared Miradre of a connection to all four of us and the SPI was about to close, we’re being told “Wait, don’t close it yet, here’s yet another potential sockmaster to check.” If checkuser also finds no connection between Miradre and Jagz, which is what I’m predicting if admins run checkuser about him also, there’s no guarantee that someone isn’t going to suggest a sixth sockmaster to be checked, or a seventh. There are over a dozen users who could be suggested as potential sockmasters here, and if we’re going to have to check all of them one after another, this SPI will stay open for more than a month. | |||
| :At what point does this turn into fishing/forum shopping? If we aren’t there already, I think admins should decide where the line ought to be drawn, because it definitely needs to be drawn ''somewhere''. --] (]) 13:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ======<span style="font-size:150%"> Comments by Miradre </span>====== | |||
| No, I am not one of those listed above by Aprock. Neither do I know them in any way. I have not in any way participated in their arbitration case of which I was unaware. | |||
| The above points are misleading. I have introduced criticism and arguments from peer-reviewed studies from both sides on the issue including very harsh criticism of the methodology and genetic explanation proposed in the book "IQ and Global Inequality" by Lynn and Vanhanen. | |||
| I have also added many sources for material lacking such. When I have removed/changed material it has been carefully explained on the talk page or edit summaries. This has typically been due to lacking sources, poor sources (blogs by non-scholars and and similar problems), or misrepresentation of the sources. This can be seen by checking my edit commentaries and talk page comments. | |||
| The locus of the dispute is regarding material from peer-reviewed studies which Aprock and some others do not want to include in the articles relating to national IQs and how they are changing. Most notable are these deletions of peer-reviewed material: | |||
| In order to avoid including this material they use dubious argument such as claiming that peer-reviewed articles as primary sources should not be allowed when almost every science article in Misplaced Pages have peer-reviewed articles as sources. Or that notability is lacking when the articles or books have been cited by many peer-reviewed articles. Similarly, it is also objected to mentioning that national IQ scores have been used by a large number of other scientists in their own studies showing at least some academic acceptance. | |||
| I certainly do not fulfill the essential criteria for the essay ] since I almost exclusively use peer-reviewed articles as sources for my statements. Neither do I edit war. I do fulfill the criteria of civility. If anything I would say that it may be others who is doing the CRUSH by refusing to accept peer-reviewed material not fitting their own POV. | |||
| As noted, I am all for including valid arguments and criticisms from both sides. I have already demonstrated that. However, I do object to excluding such material.] (]) 22:02, 13 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :No one has been able to present evidence that I am uncivil, edit war, do not use verifiable and reliable sources, or that there is any other user-conduct problems. The dispute is a badly misrepresented content dispute. For the content dispute I will gladly follow all steps in ]. Since this is about sockpuppets I will not reply to the content dispute allegations here. | |||
| :Regarding the sockpuppet investigation, none of the now disproven or suspected sockpuppets resembled or resemble me much. They seem primarily to fall in the hereditarian camp regarding race and IQ dispute. As such they seem to primarily edit the "Race and Intelligence" article and articles related to race and heredity from their own POV. My own view on the matter is agnostic. I do not think the matter is likely to be resolved before IQ can be linked to specific genes. I have only made some brief edits to the "Race and Intelligence" article and none to the many articles that deal with the hereditarian researchers, their critics, the history of hereditarian research, other race articles, Heritability of IQ, Race and Genetics, and so on. My primary interest is not IQ's relation to race or heredity. Rather, it is IQ itself, more generally accepted factors affecting IQ such as nutrition, national IQ differences, and consequences of differences in national IQ regardless of cause. Consequently, my editing is on such articles and my editing only incidentally overlap those of the suspected sockpuppets. There is a tendency for such research on national IQ differences to be done disproportionately often by researchers arguing for the hereditarian view and for its critics to be non-hereditarians (with many exceptions) but national IQ differences and consequences in themselves are not evidence for a hereditary cause. Unfortunately, some editors, who seem to be in the non-hereditarian camp, seem to think that presenting and discussing such national IQ differences and consequences should avoided which is why we have the current content dispute regarding including or not such peer-reviewed results. But, I repeat, I am not in the hereditarian camp and any overlap with hereditarian editors is incidental. | |||
| :It is somewhat problematic if there is checking of all banned IPs who have edited these articles. Everyone checked increases the risk for finding a banned user who happens to live or have lived in my general geographic area. Therefore I oppose it and ask those wanting sockpuppet investigations to provide evidence for resemblance to specific editors rather than general fishing among all banned ones.] (]) 20:26, 19 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ======<span style="font-size:150%"> Comment by ] </span>====== | |||
| Apparently a banned user named ] reappeared as ] early this year to edit the same group of articles. I have just added the user's name to the list for a checkuser. ] (]) 05:33, 15 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :'''Response to Occam and Miradre''' | |||
| :The behavioral evidence linking Miradre to potential puppet masters is a bit ambiguous at the moment. But what is certain is that the recently created Miradre account is currently ] on race and intelligence related articles, and is way too comfortable editing Misplaced Pages articles to be a complete newbie. Under these circumstances, it is appropriate for an investigation to be carried out to clear Miradre of any blatant forms of impropriety, such as evading a ban by sockpuppetry or meatpuppetry. | |||
| :I am concerned that Captain Occam is so confident that a checkuser will find "no connection between Miradre and Jagz". I am also concerned that Captain Occam has chosen to defend Miradre rather than trying to clear his own name. All this may amount to nothing, but given the pattern of gaming that has surrounded these topics, anything is possible. ] (]) 01:32, 20 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ======<span style="font-size:150%"> Comment WeijiBaikeBianji </span>====== | |||
| I have no idea if there is puppetry going on here, but there is definitely POV-pushing going on. Aprock has already shown a good set of diffs about the behavioral issues. I remind administrators looking on that the recent ArbCom case related to articles on these topics includes ] that can be imposed by any administrator in the interest of preserving an editing environment that upholds Misplaced Pages policy. -- ] (]) 17:42, 19 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| ======<span style="font-size:150%"> Comments by other users </span>====== | |||
| ======<span style="font-size:150%"> Clerk, patrolling admin and checkuser comments </span>====== | |||
| *I'm going to take a look here. There seems to be enough evidence that sockpuppetry may be at work here, and checkuser could be useful in sorting out the knots. ] <sup>(]/]/])</sup> 22:31, 14 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| *Results: | |||
| *Captain Occam and Feragho the Assassin do edit from the same computer; however, as addressed above by both accuser and accused, this is to be expected given their situation. They, and all other users previously listed on this page, are {{unrelated}} to one another. | |||
| *It is {{possible}} that Miradre is using the following accounts based on technical evidence. They will need to be checked for behavioral evidence. | |||
| **{{checkuser|Aztech1}} | |||
| **{{checkuser|Oddfelicia}} | |||
| **{{checkuser|Eriquesnk}} | |||
| *] <sup>(]/]/])</sup> 22:45, 14 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| {{clerknote}} Behaviorally, I am not seeing any connection with Aztech1 and Eriquesnk to Miradre. All of Miradre's contributions are related to intelligence or IQ. The edits for TAztech1 and Eriquesnk does not reallyto what Miradre is editing. I'm not convinced that these accounts are the same. Oddfelicia doesn't have any edits, so we'll just have to see if this one is a sock or not when or if it edits. <s>As a result, I am closing as no action .</s> <span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px"><b><font color="#4682B4">]</font></b></span> <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">]</font>)</sup> 15:45, 18 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :The edits for Jagz, around Feb and March 08 seems to match that of Miradre. Looking for a second opinion here. <span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:16px"><b><font color="#4682B4">]</font></b></span> <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">]</font>)</sup> 18:23, 18 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
| :: Behaviour evidence also look inconclusive. They touched on same subject area and the only thing similar for both accounts is that they are both interested in the relationship between race and intelligence. ]] 06:29, 22 October 2010 (UTC) | |||
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