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Template1

I have just undertaken the first steps at developing a template. Yardcock 20:55, Aug 20, 2004 (UTC)

I've done some editing to your template. First off, I think it was an excellent start. I've clarified how the basic article would be sectionized. I think that the entire article from the intro section through the "retirement/post-pro career" section should be written in paragraphs. Lists should only appear in the playerbox and the other sections (after the retirement section). —siroχo 08:47, Oct 25, 2004 (UTC)

I'm looking forward to helping out with this. I don't have any suggestions for the template - it looks fine to me. Varitek 19:44, 15 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Biography portal

I've created Misplaced Pages:Wikiportal/Biography to see if anyone else thinks it's a good idea and would be willing to participate. It's still just a rough sketch of an idea. Matt 01:07, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Still active?

Is this project still active? I see some work was done on a template; before I thought to check for a WikiProject on MLB players, I created my own infobox that I've used in a handful of articles on Twins players; Torii Hunter, for example. It still needs a lot of work but I think it's pretty decent. (For one thing, I am thinking of losing some of the color, so most of the text can have a white background so that individual items in the infobox can be visibly wikilinked.) The great thing is that promotional photos are considered fair use on Misplaced Pages, so we can grab pictures of every active player from mlb.com. I've also suggested colors for the other 29 MLB teams at this page. (The color values were grabbed directly from the official website for each team.) If anyone would like to help me refine the template, and then afterwards start adding it to MLB player articles in an organized way, respond here or at my talk page. Once I finish with the Twins, I'd probably move on to players on the other teams in the AL Central, since I'm most familiar with them. AиDя01DTALKEMAIL 21:45, July 11, 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm still interested. Template looks cool. If you want to divvy up the work, I'll start with the AL East players. Varitek 02:23, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

Hey, I'm glad somebody responded! In addition to divvying up the work for the players, I'd like to get input on what the final version of the infobox ought to look like, and various other things that might be good to standardize across all current players. It might also be a cool thing to try different infoboxes for retired and Hall of Fame players. I've got a bunch of ideas; hopefully I'll have some time to lay them all out tomorrow. Hopefully we can get some more input and help. 30 teams is a lot. In the meantime, go ahead and start on the BoSox, as I'm guessing they're your team. Let me know if you need a hand with the template, though I don't imagine you will, as it's pretty straightforward. android79 04:10, July 26, 2005 (UTC)

If I may say so, nice work on the template. I think I'll use this for some work on netball players that I've been planning - I've been looking for a nice athlete template for a while. Now if only I had a decent team one. Ambi 14:49, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliments. If you ask me, though, the template still needs work. :-) (Incidentally, this is the first I've heard of netball.) android79 00:33, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

OK, I made a start. I've done Curt Schilling, Bronson Arroyo, and Mark Bellhorn. I think this is going to take a while . . . :-). I think we could probably do with a separate template for retired players, too, with the "current" stuff removed. Oh, and a Hall of Famer template, too - same as the retired one, but with an Induction field. Varitek 20:58, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

Looks good. I've made some significant changes to the project page, so if you disagree with anything, just change it. Start brainstormin' below for further ideas on templates! android79 00:33, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

A note about the headshot images from mlb.com: based on my own understanding and that of another editor that I trust (who also happens to be an IP lawyer), these images are indeed fair use, but another editor disputes that. To that end, I would suggest we halt uploading new images for the time being. I'm going to continue to do research on this issue. android79 03:51, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Baseball Reference

I see Baseball Reference have started their own wiki (using MediaWiki, too) but using a CC ShareALike license :( BR link Varitek 22:10, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

• That's a shame. Those two licenses are pretty much incompatible, aren't they? android79 00:30, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

I believe so, yes. I did bring it up in rec.sport.baseball with the guy who runs b-r, and he seemed sympathetic to the argument, but he said he didn't want to "free-load" on Misplaced Pages content anyway (I did explain that Misplaced Pages welcomes that, but he didn't get back to me) Varitek 18:59, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Template discussion

Current Player:

• Name
• Mugshot
• Team and Number
• Position
• Bats/Throws
• MLB debut
• Selected stats
• Former teams

Above is a description of what the current player template looks like. Any suggestions for changes? Is three statistics too few or too many? Should we do stats from only the last full year of play? Should we add a "career highlights" section? These are questions I asked myself when I started the template, and I'm still not sure what I like best.

For retired players, multiple teams and numbers will be needed, and perhaps a "Years Active" field. HoF players will need that along with an induction date. Any other ideas? android79 00:33, July 28, 2005 (UTC)

Googie Man has suggested that I look at Albert Pujols, Rafael Palmeiro, and Johnny Damon for ideas on what else to include in the infobox. The items that are in that infobox that aren't in mine are: years of experience, age, height/weight, college, current salary, place of birth, and information on draft selection. This is all worthwhile information, and if we can squeeze it into a template without making it huge, I'd like to make that happen. I think only years of experience and age are superfluous – readers should be able to deduce both of these figures from the player's date of birth and MLB debut, and it allows us to avoid making updates every year.

A few other ideas for streamlining the template or offloading some of the info elsewhere:

1. Replace "selected statistics" and "former teams" with fairly-detailed stat boxes later in the article
2. Keep salary information out of the main infobox, and instead maintain a listing year-by-year of the player's salary info
3. Keep strictly biographical information (place of birth) out of the infobox, and make sure it gets mentioned in the article's introduction

When I have time I'll come up with a draft of a new infobox with all or some of this stuff in it.

Also, given the uncertain nature of the copyright status for the headshots, I've been pondering ideas for dealing with that; more later. android79 01:57, August 17, 2005 (UTC)

There is a very good template (Template:Infobox baseball player) that is on a select few of the Hall of Fame player's pages. I would like to suggest this as the standard template to be used on only HoFer pages. Also, I have been sticking a little notation on each HoFer page advertizing their induction (Template:MLB HoF). It is not much, but it gets the job done. I just started adding that to the HoFer pages in reverse alphabetical order. Please feel free to enhance either template or to begin adding them to pages. Keep on keepin' on.--CrazyTalk 18:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

I love the idea of a template and have been using it but it does seem somewhat short to some of the avalable statics on players pages, maybe for more experaced players there could be a larger template (with more then 3 stat fields) there could be a Template:Mlbplayer-n where n is the number of feilds an editor want to use. Also like the idea of a "information current as" of tag at the buttom of the infobox, which could apply to info such as weight as well as stats. and for retired players it could be set to "retirement".Jackalsclaw 04:42, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

How about a section for nicknames in the template? Also, if possible, it would be nice to adopt the "baseball player" name for the template, rather than Mlbplayer, since the template is almost entirely non-MLB specific. -- Isaac Lin 18:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

So what is going on with this, I still see a variety of templates being used on player pages? The template is very difficult to use if you have never done it before, and there is no standardization from player to player. Check out Template:Infobox Bridge for a good example of a template page that is easy to use. It shows how to setup the template as well as what the values are. I would suggest a template for pitchers and a template for fielders, and then have stats or other information consistent from article to article.

Help?

Hi, I'm new to Misplaced Pages and I'd like to get my feet wet by dealing with something I know well. I looked at the Bobby Thomson page and would like to flesh out the Shot Heard Round the World material into its own article. I don't know how to deal with the disambiguation with the Revolutionary War Shot heard 'round the world and I'd appreciate general pointers in how to handle baseball articles on the Wiki. Ferret-aaron 13:48, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

I would be interested in taking on the NL Central division if no one else has claimed it yet and if this project is still active. Scs411scs

Statistics template for player pages?/Shiny Logos

I was thinking that having a template for season/career statistics would be a nice addition to the bottom of player pages. Thoughts? --gavindow 07:03, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

I think this would be a valuable addition.-Colin Kimbrell 15:30, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

HoF Template

Please see Template talk:MLB HoF#Move icon into infobox for suggestion about Template:MLB HoF. BTW, Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Baseball players#Templates mentions a Template:Mlbhof which may or may not be the same as Template:MLB HoF. 66.167.253.49 20:07, 23 November 2005 (UTC).

Template:Mlbretired

Okay, I've started this (finally). It's extremely similar to the existing template for active players. —BorgHunter (talk) 00:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

See Fred McGriff for an example of use. —BorgHunter (talk) 01:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I like the idea of this template and have added it to the Rico Petrocelli page. Can somebody check ot out and let me know if I'm on the right track. ? No Guru 22:57, 28 December 2005 (UTC).

Possibly joining the WikiProject

I was wondering if I could join the project. I love baseball, and I would be eager to help. I could take any division of baseball (I could even do more than one if needed), and I can find a lot of information from MLB.com.

Oh, and sorry about the Mlbplayer template thing. I might have an idea on how we can fix that.

--Bookworm1 December 17, 2005

Re:Joining the WikiProject

I still haven't seen a reply posted...I'm not sure what to do, would it be on my talk page?

I've started adding Mlbplayer templates to players in the NL East: Alfonso Soriano, Edgar Rentería, and I even started an article for Lance Cormier and I added an infobox. The first one I did before I found about the project was Brad Wilkerson, even though he now plays for the Texas Rangers. I also updated the Atlanta Braves roster template.

So I'm not sure if I should keep adding the infoboxes, or wait for a response...

--Bookworm1 December 18, 2005

• Go for it. Sorry I didn't respond earlier, I didn't see this talk page pop up on my watchlist. android79 05:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Just one more thing. Should I add my name and that I'm doing the NL East division and I'm writing new player articles on the talk page under Participants, or will you or someone else do that?

--Bookworm1 December 19, 2005

• You may add it yourself if you like. Thanks for helping out. :-) android79 13:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)

Free Agent Players

I noticed that the Bret Boone page had an infobox with Mariners colors and it had his Seattle Mariners mugshot. I was thinking that for free agent players, instead of having the colors on the infobox of the team they last played with, we should have the red and blue MLB colors and note on the "team" part of the infobox that they are a free agent. I also think we should also have the mugshot of the team he last played for (I've got Boone's Minnesota Twins player photo). Any ideas on that?

--Bookworm1 December 19, 2005 19:52 (CT)

• I've been changing free agents to having just a white background; sorry, didn't see that you'd tried to start a discussion about that here. I think that using red and blue would cause too much confusion for those teams that already use red and blue, such as the twins. android79 04:45, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Players of Intermediate Status

In addition to the ones we already have, I think we need another template: One for players who no longer play in the majors, but continue to be active in lesser leagues, either internationally or domestically. For example, the odds of Bronswell Patrick ever making it back to the majors are probably pretty slim, but he's still pitching professionally, so a template listing him as "retired" would be misleading. Any thoughts on format? -Colin Kimbrell 14:10, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Will you guys let me join???

I specialize in the Houston Astros--Trick man01 10:00, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Go for it! android79 15:22, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Managers

I'm wondering how/if managers are being handled by this project. I've been working on, for New York Mets managers, at least, to add succession boxes to their pages for each team, starting with the Mets. If this is taken as a good idea, I'll work on getting it done for more teams.

Also, I'll work on adding the player infobox as I find ones without them, but I'll work on New York Mets players first. One question I have, though, is where should I get pictures from? Xalfor 08:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

I've done succession boxes for all the managers with pages on wikipedia. The majority of the ones I haven't done are all 19th-century/early 20th Century managers. Floydspinky71 19:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Articles for the Misplaced Pages 1.0 project

Hi, I'm a member of the Misplaced Pages:Version_1.0_Editorial_Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Misplaced Pages for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing using these criteria, and we are looking for A-class, B-class, and Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Can you recommend any suitable articles? Please post your suggestions here. Thanks a lot! Gflores 17:40, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

MLB Pictures Copyright

Sorry I haven't been working on anything lately.

I was wondering about copyrights on Misplaced Pages. What's the license for a picture from MLB.com? All the pictures I've uploaded from MLB.com are on the list for deletion.

--Bookworm1 February 4, 2006 10:16 (CT)

Most, if not all, pictures from MLB.com will be deleted as copyright infringement. Most of the headshots I've uploaded using {{promophoto}} now violate the wording on that license template; I'm probably going to have them deleted at some point. android79 01:50, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Is there a way for the current template to work without a photo? Xalfor 09:00, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Use {{Mlbplayer-nophoto}}. Eventually I'll rework the main template so this one is unneeded, but for now that should work. android79 14:01, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Team Template Infoboxes

I just updated the infobox on the page for Joe Mays; the infobox was white and said he was a free agent. However, he signed with the Kansas City Royals on December 23, 2005. I changed the colors to royal blue and black. Would those be the correct colors for the Royals?

Anyway, I thought to avoid confusion, it might be a good idea to have a list of colors for each team infobox on the page where the infobox template is. Another idea might be to have a separate template for each team. Just a thought.

--Bookworm1 February 5, 2006 10:25 (CT)

• Way ahead of you. See Template talk:Mlbplayer. Perhaps I should have made this more explicit... android79 01:49, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Not really any objections on the Template talk:Mlbplayer.

On Thursday, I updated the Larry Walker page. Because he retired after the season, I thought he should have an Template:Mlbretired table, instead of the table that was on the page. Instead of using an MLB headshot, I used an image that was already on the page. Would that be a better idea for retired players? --Bookworm1 February 12, 2006 14:06 (CT)

Categories versus Succession Boxes?

Does the Baseball Project have a consensus on using categories versus series/succession boxes? After adding added a few succession boxes (Rookie of the Year, Manager of the Year) to Ozzie Guillen's entry, I now think they would be more appropriate as categories; they also do not yet exist. I think managers are better candidates for succession boxes than award recipients. If anyone has any links, internal or external, dealing with this same issue, please post them. dfg 19:45, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

sucession boxes

Howdy, I was just roaming around and found that most player's succession boxes have a simple link to the year, like 2001. I have changed a couple of them to link to ]. I think this works better. I'll probably start changing a bunch of them later. Cacophony 01:44, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

• Hey, sounds like a good idea. android79 01:48, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Category proposal for current MLB players

Please see my proposal here and comment if you like. Thanks! android79 02:14, 10 February 2006 (UTC)