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Words of wisdom from a cherished source

Robert - feel free to blank this again, as is your right, but can I just ask you to slow down for a minute and step back from this? You're fast approaching old territory again. I know you mean well here, and I've supported you in the past. Just ... chill, take it easy, and careful with the comments about others - Alison 22:02, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

REGARDING MY USERNAME

To anyone who has a question about my username please read the following. I have no intention of changing the username. It makes no sense since so far several editors (including admins, who should know better, whom I call "badmins") have gone to the trouble of unearthing past history which had nothing to do with whatever was going on at the moment. As I am never to be allowed to put my past behind me without it being brought up like a weapon to assail me for others' tactical or rhetorical advantage, I have decided to follow the advice I received from another editor and "embrace" it.

Robert is one of the few editors who is not obliged to change his username, as his account was created many years before the rules were changed - Alison 02:50, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Jakiw Palij

Please do not make statements attacking people or groups of people. Misplaced Pages has a strict policy against personal attacks. Attack pages and images are not tolerated by Misplaced Pages and are speedily deleted. Users who continue to create or repost such pages and images in violation of our biographies of living persons policy will be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Thank you.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag - if no such tag exists then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hangon tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. The-Pope (talk) 16:40, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

It is an automated message when you nominate a "negative page about a living person that is completely unsourced". See WP:CSD#G10 for the criteria. I know that it is not an attack page, but that's the CSD group that negative, unreferenced BLPs fall under. I probably should have read the message that the automated program left and edited it. By all means remove the tag, but you MUST source the article from a verifiable and reliable source. I am simply patrolling unreferenced biographies of living people.The-Pope (talk) 16:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

@ Rms - The-pope looks like he used the standard template for an attack page, which is technically valid (tho I would have hoped that he would have written you a non-templated message). It is unsourced, and does paint the subject in a negative light. I don't think it reflects badly on you in any way, but someone else should make that determination. Since I reverted to the G10 notice, I don't feel I should make that determination in my role as an admin. Syrthiss (talk) 16:51, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I don't think I've done many G10s before, mainly A7 or G3s, so I should have checked what message was left... but it was only 4 minutes between my tagging and the response on my page, so it wasn't much time for me to check what was written. In future, for G10s like this (negative UBLPs, not attack pages) I'll definitely manually leave the message or at least edit away the automated one. The-Pope (talk) 16:58, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Yep, its not a problem (at least on my end). Typically what I do for established users is still use the template, but write a quick message before I subst in the template. Syrthiss (talk) 17:05, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I'd personally prefer you supply the sources (even in a general sense, for the moment) on the talk page. Yes, blanking in the last 10 minutes after the page has been up for 2 years really isn't going to do much to protect him from possible libel but I'd rather err on the side of caution. Its not like people can't look into the history. Syrthiss (talk) 16:54, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Oh I see it now. Well, lets go and put a message on his / her talkpage instead. :D Syrthiss (talk) 17:07, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks like HJ Mitchell has deleted it. I was unable to view your link because when you cut and pasted it, it has a ... in the middle like the browser thought it was too long. I'll do a search in a minute. Syrthiss (talk) 17:15, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Jakiw Palij

Hi, please don't take offence, but I'm afraid I've had to delete that article as an unsourced BLP that makes negative claims (ie, being a concentration camp guard) about its subject. The source you provided on the talk page was a dead link and I'm afraid I can't leave that kind of thing lying around. That said, this isn't an assumption of bad faith and I'm not questioning the factual accuracy of the statement, it just needs a reliable source attributed to it. If you can find one, I'll be happy to restore the article or you can start it again. Similarly, if anybody accuses you of creating an attack page based on this, let me know and I'll try to set the record straight, since this was deleted under the second half of G10 (negative BLP, not attack page). Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:19, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Here are full URLs to the NY Times articles that bracket the time (there were 2 more on my search, one of which was mostly a rehash once he had been stripped of citizenship). I don't know how much of this was or wasn't included in the article. Syrthiss (talk) 17:22, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/21/nyregion/accused-nazi-guard-speaks-out-denying-he-had-role-in-atrocities.html?scp=1&sq=Jakiw%20Palij&st=cse http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/22/nyregion/nyc-give-up-chase-for-nazis-not-so-fast.html?scp=2&sq=Jakiw%20Palij&st=cse

Userfied to User:Rms125a@hotmail.com/Jakiw Palij. Please add those sources to it now, then you can work on it there at your leisure. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:32, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

I did a first pass. I don't have a source for the birth date or name, but everything else seems supported by the article I have linked. Syrthiss (talk) 17:47, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Paul Ryan Rudd

Thanks your your help on Paul Ryan Rudd. I am just letting you know that I had to partially revert your edits on the page since the some of the references were messed up in the process. Basically I had to go back to the version before you made your first edit, but manually re-added what you did without changing the references. —CodeHydro 15:59, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Good Call

On Hector's name TY! my bad! LOL DocOfSoc (talk) 14:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Another good call

You're right on Kit Hoover--thanks for catching that. Now I'm off to get reading glasses. Drmies (talk) 19:19, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Elaine Paige

Hello. Just to clear up why I wanted to keep the original wording;

This quote from this source backs up that her theatre commitments kept her from having children, as stated by Paige herself; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/3023422/Elaine-Paige-Sex-drugs-and-musicals.html "Yes, I regret in a way not having my own family, not having kids. I never imagined I wouldn't have a family. But I wouldn't have had this career if I had done that. I am quite single-minded. I love the idea of waking up and having breakfast over the newspapers, rather than making idle conversation with someone. Is that such a crime?"

And responding to a question about reading reviews on her shows; http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2007/may/22/theatre2

"Do you read your reviews?

No. I don't find it helpful to hear too many people's opinions."

Would you therefore concur with the revision to the original wording? With the paragraph concerning her never having children, I wanted a way of linking the two sentences (her career and subsequent lack of children) together. Thanks. Eagle Owl (talk) 15:40, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

I can see your points. We may aswell leave the article as it is for now. Thanks. Eagle Owl (talk) 18:44, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

September 2010

Thank you for your contributions to Misplaced Pages. Before saving your changes to an article, please provide an edit summary, which you forgot to do before saving your recent edit to Maude Farris-Luse. Doing so helps everyone to understand the intention of your edit (and prevents legitimate edits from being mistaken for vandalism). It is also helpful to users reading the edit history of the page. Thank you. I dream of horses If you reply here, please leave me a {{Talkback}} message on my talk page. @ 19:05, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

After a mere 32,000 edits, it's about time you got edit-summary-templated...! The Rambling Man (talk) 19:15, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Reverting Alan Mulally

I rv Category:American Roman Catholics as unsourced. I could not even find any confirmation (pardon the expression) via Google search, except on some wacky conspiracy theory sites where he is mentioned in passing. I mean he may be Catholic, but where's the proof? Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 21:46, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

This is a fair point and it should be very easy to remove one category. However, please do not revert to a very old revision that otherwise disrupts the article to make a point. KimChee (talk) 04:39, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

I looked up the subject and found information from reliable sources that should hopefully address this matter. KimChee (talk) 02:08, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

J, KY

Not at all. Your edits are well appreciated. Mine were mainly to get rid of some POV sensationalism. Best regards. --S. Rich (talk) 21:11, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Nomination of Brett Kirwan for deletion

A discussion has begun about whether the article Brett Kirwan, which you created or to which you contributed, should be deleted. While contributions are welcome, an article may be deleted if it is inconsistent with Misplaced Pages policies and guidelines for inclusion, explained in the deletion policy.

The article will be discussed at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Brett Kirwan until a consensus is reached, and you are welcome to contribute to the discussion.

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Samantha Lewes listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Samantha Lewes. Since you had some involvement with the Samantha Lewes redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). Bbb23 (talk) 23:03, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:NBSP

Concerning this edit,   isn't vandalism. See WP:NBSP for more explanation. Art LaPella (talk) 17:31, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

If you don't like WP:NBSP (which specifically applies to dates: see MOS:NUM#Non-breaking spaces), my philosophy on such guidelines is at User:Art LaPella/Because the guideline says so. Art LaPella (talk) 18:02, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

WP:NBSP says "See also: Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Non-breaking spaces", which is a guideline even if you don't define it as part of WP:NBSP. The latter link says: "Use a non-breaking space ... between the date number and month name (e.g. 29 December or December 29);", so it applies to dates (it also mentions years). You are correct to say this guideline is seldom observed, but if it's a bad guideline it should be removed (hence my essay). A bot sounds like a better idea, although I haven't had much success organizing such efforts; User:Art LaPella/AWB explanation#More automation. Art LaPella (talk) 19:07, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

As computer savvy as me? Well OK, pre-Internet computer programming like COBOL has been important to me for most of my life, but do you know where there is a bot programming manual, with examples of how to connect it to Misplaced Pages? Art LaPella (talk) 19:24, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Googling "Craig's Place" came up with Craigslist; I didn't know they had software. Anyway, I take it you haven't figured out bot programming any better than I have. Art LaPella (talk) 20:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Not POV

Efrem Zimbalist was certainly world famous. That is not POV. So was Alma Gluck, Stephanie's grandmother. Wallie (talk) 20:35, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Your Question

Hello, I initially reverted your edit because you added an unnecessary disambig to her name. Feel free to add your changes. again without that, and it'll be fine. Thanks, SteelIron 01:29, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

RE: Jan Karski

You rv Category:Catholic Righteous Among the Nations from Jan Karski's article using WP:HOTCAT. This is a mistake. That category is not redundant in any way and is integral to the Karski article. Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 01:51, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Please provide a reliable source according WP:V, then feel free to restore the category. Cresix (talk) 01:58, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for sourcing that he was a practicing Catholic as an adult. There continues to be one major problem and one minor problem. The minor problem is that the statement about his self-identification as a Catholic belongs in the text of the article rather than a footnote. The major problem is that you restored the category "Catholic Righteous Among the Nations", but there is no statement in the article supporting an association between Karksi and that category. His being a Catholic per se does not necessarily indicate that association. I have removed the category. Again, feel free to source appropriately (in the article, not a footnote) and restore the category. Thanks. Cresix (talk) 16:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Religious denomination categories

On Misplaced Pages a person must self-identify with a particular denomination before being categorized; and the only way to know if they self-identify is a source indicating that the person is self-identified as Catholic (or Baptist, or atheist, or whatever) as an adult. That standard is frequently violated because many people think they can put anything about a person's religous beliefs in an article without reliable sourcing. That is what is unsourced in the article. If someone grows up an atheist but is now a Christian (see William J. Murray), do we put that person in the "Atheists" category?" This is a simple matter of following one of the very cornerstones of Misplaced Pages: "The threshold for inclusion in Misplaced Pages is verifiability, not truth." Julien Green may very have converted to Catholicism, but that statement is not sourced in the article. If you want to restore the category, please find a sourced statement to that effect. And remember, the responsibility for sourcing is on the person who adds or restores information. Thank you. Cresix (talk) 03:00, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

External links

I saw your generally helpful edit to Las Vegas Review-Journal. One small point that you may not be aware of. While it's possible to have an external link in the text, they are discouraged. Normally, external links that a source should go in a citation, and those that aren't should either go in the "external links" section or be omitted. So instead of this:

• ...adopted a new business plan based on copyright litigation.

We should have this:

• ...adopted a new business plan based on copyright litigation.

For more information, see WP:ELPOINTS and WP:ECITE.   Will Beback  talk  21:11, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Deleting sourced material

We should normally avoid deleting sourced material that's relevant to the topic. When we do we should give an explanation on the talk page or, at a very minimum, in the edit summary. It should never be marked as a minor edit. I see you deleted reference to Brynner's affair with Dietrich in this edit and marked it as minor, with no explanation. Was that an error?   Will Beback  talk  21:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I agree that every affair isn't noteworthy. But relatively long-term affairs among famous people that have been widely reported seem to meet the threshold. This biography of Dietrich indicates the affair was significant and publicly controversial.   Will Beback  talk  22:52, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Actually, Karski was just a coincidence. I didn't notice it was you until I'd made the edit. I've got a over-long watchlist.   Will Beback  talk  22:59, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Here's an excerpt from a review of a family history written by Brynner's son: His well-known affair with Marlene Dietrich began when she was 41 and he was 21, and "their romance, which would continue off-and-on for two decades, was relentless and passionate," Rock writes.

So it was lengthy and well-known.   Will Beback  talk  23:23, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Marian P. Opala

I noticed that you added several "citation needed" tags to the article I created on former Oklahoma Supreme Court Justice Marian P. Opala. In response, I have restored the sources I had previously cited when adding the information in question. --TommyBoy (talk) 12:37, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

CongLinks template

Please don't remove currently-unused fields in the CongLinks template. They are used as place-holders in case the information later becomes available. We also use the spacing for readability. Flatterworld (talk) 15:14, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

YouTube links

Hi. I see you have re-inserted YouTube links into the article after they were removed. There is a discussion on the talk page about those links. Could you please explain your reason for re-inserting them there? Thanks much, Xenophrenic (talk) 12:21, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Howdy, Rms. In this edit of yours, you remove the word "Murder" from the title of one of the references. Could you tell me why? Also, you added a '/' character to the end of a URL address for www.nbcwashingtom.com citation, which broke the link -- in that same edit. I've fixed them, but I was curious as to what happened. Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 07:54, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Emma Groves

A member of the WP:EAR team has addressed your enquiry at Misplaced Pages:Editor assistance/Requests#Emma groves. .--Kudpung (talk) 09:12, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Community restrictions

The article Emma Groves, along with other articles relating to The Troubles, is currently subject to active arbitration remedies, as laid out during a previous Arbitration Enforcement case that closed in October 2007, and was amended by community consensus in October 2008. The current restrictions are: All editors on Troubles-related articles are directed to get the advice of neutral parties via means such as outside opinions. All articles related to The Troubles, defined as: any article that could be reasonably construed as being related to The Troubles, Irish nationalism, and British nationalism in relation to Ireland falls under WP:1RR (one revert per editor per article per day). When in doubt, assume it is related. Clear vandalism, or edits by anonymous IP editors, may be reverted without penalty Editors who violate this 1RR restriction may be blocked without warning by any uninvolved administrator, even on a first offense. If you are a new editor, or an editor unfamiliar with the situation, please follow the guidelines laid out in the above link. If you are unsure if your edit is appropriate, discuss it on this talk page first.

--- message left by another editor with an objectionable and provocative electronic signature/username, thus rv from talk page by myself. (Rms125a@hotmail.com (talk) 23:42, 31 October 2010 (UTC))

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