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| Recently, an editor made a comment in a discussion at ] about where this site is located. The comment included the line ''hat the sources say is an irrelavant straw man argument''. The diff is <span class="plainlinks"></span>. I placed the quote on my userpage and provided the diff, making no commentary about it. The quote and diff were removed as being "uncollegial". A discussion at AN/I ensued in which users claimed that including this quote is "uncivil", and the user who made the quote claimed that quote was taken out of context, ignoring the point that the context is provided, in its entirety, by the diff. | |||
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| Currently, a number of users have made the assertion that the quote cannot remain on the page, but nobody focused on the fact that a user actually said that in a dispute about where a certain place is located that what the sources say about where the sources are located is "irrelevant". What matters to the people commenting on this issue is that it is not "civil" to point out that a user said such a statement. Never mind that this is supposedly an encyclopedia based on sources, "civility" among users is far more important than users removing sources to replace with their preferred propaganda. | |||
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| |In summer 2004, as acres of olive groves were being uprooted to make way for construction of a 24-foot high concrete wall extending well into Palestinian territory, and enclosing the rest of Palestine into numerous walled enclaves dotted with checkpoints that control mobility, protesters asked soldiers guarding the bulldozers why they were destroying cultivated Palestinian fields. The heavily armed soldiers pointed their rifles at the protesters and yelled, 'They are foreigners here. This all belongs to us'. In a poignant display of performative emotion, an elderly Palestinian woman from the village stood in front of one of the few remaining olive trees in a devastated field of uprooted trees littering the landscape and, holding an olive branch, angrily chanted, 'They can come from Poland, they can come from Russia, they can come from America, and they can come from Ethiopia, but this will always be ours! This is Palestinian land.' --<small>{{cite journal|last=Peteet|first=Julie|title=Words as Interventions: Naming in the Palestine–Israel Conflict|journal=Third World Quarterly|publisher=Taylor & Francis|volume=26|issue=1|year=2005|pages=pp. 153-172}} p. 162.</small><br /><br / >The settlers, who endlessly declaim their love for the country, love it the way a rapist loves his victim. They violate the country and want to dominate it by force. This is visibly expressed in the architecture of their fortresses on the tops of the hills, fortified neighborhoods with Swiss tile-covered roofs. They don’t love the real country, the villages with their minarets, the stone houses with their arched windows nestling on the hillsides and merging with the landscape, the terraces cultivated to the last centimeter, the wadis and the olive groves. --<small>{{cite news|title=<span class="plainlinks"></span>|last=Avnery|first=Uri|authorlink=Uri Avnery|publisher=]|date=25 September 2010}}</small><br /><br />The treatment meted out to Jews in Germany and other European countries is a disgrace to its authors and to modern civilisation; but posterity will not exonerate any country that fails to bear its proper share of the sacrifices needed to alleviate Jewish suffering and distress. To place the brunt of the burden upon Arab Palestine is a miserable evasion of the duty that lies upon the whole of the civilised world. It is also morally outrageous. No code of morals could justify the persecution of one people in an attempt to relieve the persecution of another. The cure for the eviction of Jews from Germany is not to be sought in the eviction of the Arabs from their homeland; and the relief of the Jewish distress may not be accomplished at the cost of inflicting a corresponding distress upon an innocent and peaceful population. --<small>{{cite book|title=The Arab awakening: the story of the Arab national movement|last=Antonius|first=George|publisher=H. Hamilton|year=1939|authorlink=George Antonius}} cited in {{cite book|title=The Great War for Civilisation: The Conquest of the Middle East|publisher=Harper Perennial|year=2005|page=451|last=Fisk|first=Robert|authorlink=Robert Fisk}}</small> | |||
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| To me, this episode demonstrates the problem with Misplaced Pages in dealing with certain topics. There is a preference for garbage articles but "collegial" editors. What serious source would claim that an editor quoting a user saying sources are irrelevant is more important than an editor actually saying sources are irrelevant? The answer, of course, is no serious source would do such a thing. That people involved in a serious publication would be much more upset with somebody attempting to argue that the sources are irrelevant than they would be with another person quoting that person making that argument. This leads us to the obvious conclusion that Misplaced Pages is not a serious source and that it does not even pretend to be one. | |||
| This leaves us with only one question, one I am trying to figure out an adequate answer to. Why the fuck am I here? | |||
| Portion of <span class="plainlinks"></span> by ] and composed by ], adapted from a poem by ]: | |||
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| عشرونَ عاماً وأنا | |||
| أبحثُ عن أرضٍ وعن هويّه | |||
| أبحثُ عن بيتي الذي هناك | |||
| عن وطني المحاطِ بالأسلاك | |||
| أبحثُ عن طفولتي | |||
| وعن رفاقِ حارتي | |||
| عن كتبي، عن صوري | |||
| عن كلِّ ركنٍ دافئٍ، وكلِّ مزهريّه | |||
| إلى فلسطينَ خذوني معكم، معكم | |||
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| ] graffiti on the West Bank wall. He retells a story about his encounter with an old Palestinian man. The man said his painting made the wall look beautiful. When Banksy thanked the man he got a reply that was unexpected. He was told "We don't want it to be beautiful, we hate this wall. Go home."<sup><span class="plainlinks"></span></sup>]] | |||
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Revision as of 19:53, 7 November 2010
Recently, an editor made a comment in a discussion at Talk:Rachel's Tomb about where this site is located. The comment included the line hat the sources say is an irrelavant straw man argument. The diff is here. I placed the quote on my userpage and provided the diff, making no commentary about it. The quote and diff were removed as being "uncollegial". A discussion at AN/I ensued in which users claimed that including this quote is "uncivil", and the user who made the quote claimed that quote was taken out of context, ignoring the point that the context is provided, in its entirety, by the diff.
Currently, a number of users have made the assertion that the quote cannot remain on the page, but nobody focused on the fact that a user actually said that in a dispute about where a certain place is located that what the sources say about where the sources are located is "irrelevant". What matters to the people commenting on this issue is that it is not "civil" to point out that a user said such a statement. Never mind that this is supposedly an encyclopedia based on sources, "civility" among users is far more important than users removing sources to replace with their preferred propaganda.
To me, this episode demonstrates the problem with Misplaced Pages in dealing with certain topics. There is a preference for garbage articles but "collegial" editors. What serious source would claim that an editor quoting a user saying sources are irrelevant is more important than an editor actually saying sources are irrelevant? The answer, of course, is no serious source would do such a thing. That people involved in a serious publication would be much more upset with somebody attempting to argue that the sources are irrelevant than they would be with another person quoting that person making that argument. This leads us to the obvious conclusion that Misplaced Pages is not a serious source and that it does not even pretend to be one.
This leaves us with only one question, one I am trying to figure out an adequate answer to. Why the fuck am I here?