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== Susanne2009NYC ==
I thought I was doing the right thing but apparently it was "too close paraphrasing". I looked at the case page (or whatever it is) and didn't understand it. It looks all too complicated for me. I'm willing to cooperate but I don't know what you want me to do. It's impossible for me to go back and clean this stuff up. Just blank the pages. ] (]) 00:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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Wipeouting
I think I've noticed you and Vern (hope that's an acceptable contraction!) having plenty of interation with User:Wipeouting about copyvio issues. I've crossed paths with this editor after a WP:3O and the article in question re-appeared recently on my watchlist today. Special:Contributions/Wipeouting suggests edits to the articles you had problems with before. I'll try to bring good news the next time I drop by! Bigger digger (talk) 22:46, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
In a way, this is good news. Better that we find out now than months from now when we've got dozens of articles to clean up. Thank you. And I'm sorry that we weren't able to help him. :/ --Moonriddengirl23:09, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Well I'm not quite sure what positive contributions there were, and the user talk page formatting really hurt my eyes... I think maybe the language barrier was too much, Wipeouting just never seemed to get the point. Bigger digger (talk) 23:43, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Hmmm.. I see you've cleaned up some of Wipeouting's recent edits. I've reverted Sugathapala de Silva to a "cleaner" previous version, but still have some concerns which I will look at tomorrow. Lionel Wendt Art Centre was created by User:Cossde a few days ago with close or no paraphrasing and so perhaps it's a WikiProject Sri Lanka problem? Sorry, I'm now using your talk page as a notebook as I'm off to bed and don't want to forget this. I'll pick it up again tomorrow. Bigger digger (talk) 00:32, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Still time limited. I have to leave in about 10 minutes, and will be away from my desk for possibly a couple of hours. But I've not forgotten! --Moonriddengirl13:19, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
Assistance of talk page stalkers requested – I have looked at two articles by User:Cossde after following Wipeouting's contribs and have commented at the editor's talk page of problems identified with Lionel Wendt Art Centre and S.J. Walpita. I'm not sure whether the articles should be tagged {{Close paraphrase}} or Template:Copyvio, which seems a bit harsh. Do I then need to work out the rigmarole for a CCI, these are the only two articles I looked at but it's not a good start, and it takes ages! Thanks, Bigger digger (talk) 14:29, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
It does take ages. :/ I'll tell you what I do: I begin by listing some of the problems I found on the talk page. While doing so, I often reach a conclusion whether blanking or tagging is the better solution. If the problem is widespread and seems substantial, I blank. If not, I tag. In all cases, noting some of the concerns you find at the talk page is a good thing to do, because it can certainly help us zero in on the problem when it comes to doing cleanup. :) That way, we aren't doubling up on the labor. Once you've figured out whether tagging or blanking is appropriate, I'll help you work out whether a CCI is needed, unless a stalker does so first. :) I am determined to get CP caught up today before something else happens to demand my time! --Moonriddengirl14:33, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
I've tagged both of these articles as paraphrases so they get listed, since there's been no response to the comments left on the creator's talk page. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:03, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Random question
Wouldn't this mean that I shouldn't have been helping at SCV/CP for months, since there's not a whole lot of difference between resolutions at the different boards? Of course I also removed blanking templates more than once before I was an OTRS volunteer, and by the letter of the template I shouldn't have done that either... VernoWhitney (talk) 18:33, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi. :) No, there's a big difference between resolutions at the boards. WP:SCV is meant to be reviewed by anybody; WP:CP is meant to be reviewed and closed by an administrator. The problem I'm trying to avoid is when contributors mark tickets at CP in such a way that I presume they've been closed by an administrator (or OTRS agent) when they have not. There've been a couple of cases of that in the last few days. Of course, I routinely WP:IAR when the template is removed or matters closed properly, but I would like some way to avoid the improper seeming of resolution. Do you have a different idea how I might do that? --Moonriddengirl19:08, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Maybe I have a different perspective, but I was under the impression that anything at either board could be marked resolved by anyone uninvolved (i.e., not the contributor) and competent. I can see how limiting it to OTRS volunteers and admins may help with the competency issues, but I have come across more than one admin who's called articles clean when they're clearly not. I'd say formal clerkships like at SPI would be a way to guarantee that things are actually clean when marked as such, but I get the feeling that would just scare potential help away except for people looking for something to put on their WikiResume. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:08, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Hmm. The header says, "Listings typically remain for seven days before review and closure by an administrator." I probably made it say that myself, for all I know, but before I ever edited the page it used to say, "Listings should be checked and processed by administrators after 7 days." (formatting omitted, because i'm lazy. :)) It has similar instructions all the way back to 2005. My impression has always been that it's an admin review board, like WP:3RR or WP:AIV. We might want to ask for clarification at its talk page. --Moonriddengirl15:13, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, clearly an admin is required for deletion, overwriting copyvios with clean rewrites, and histpurge/revdel when those are required. That said, relisting/redirecting/confirming appropriate licensing/reverse copyvio don't take the admin tools. Maybe I'm just getting the informal environment vibe because of so few people handling the workload, or maybe it just strikes me as odd that adminship automatically implies competence (which I think we can at least agree is, or should be, one of the minimum requirements for closing investigations). VernoWhitney (talk) 15:41, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I would definitely agree that competence is required. :) Non-admin closures are permitted in some fora, like WP:AFD, although they're frowned upon in contentious matters. I'm not sure, because I've never thought about it deeply, but I think it might be a mistake to "officially" open up CP to closure by anybody, although clerks would be fine. Just like with the template that should only be removed by admins and OTRS agents, I routinely overlook valid "IAR" removals, but I think that the danger of bias in closing CP listings is a serious one so I'd be uncomfortable opening it to everyone. That said, I'd love to have more workers over there. --Moonriddengirl15:52, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi there, I was just fiddling about looking in archives of Sockpuppet Investigations, then I came across User:RM82087, I noticed that user wasn`t blocked. So I double-checked the sockpuppet investigation. I didn`t see any mention of User:RM82087, then I checked the revision history and found that you flagged RM82087 as a confirmed sock, could you explain why? Thanks! --Addihockey1021:07, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
They won't be able to now, I'm afraid. He hasn't edited since March 2009, so his IP information won't be in the system anymore. I suspect he's moved on to other names, all things considered! --Moonriddengirl21:30, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
User blanks out copyvio plagiarism warnings
Hello Moonriddengirl, I hope you are doing well. :) I just wanted to check with you - is it appropriate for a WP:SPA user on a particular topic to blank out from their user talk page warnings regarding copyvio and plagiarism (these edits and ) ? Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 21:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
(Talk-page stalk) I remember a similar case that went to ANI where the consensus ended up being that you can do with your talk page what you want (unless it's attacks etc.), what you do in the mainspace is what matters. The user got the messages if he/she deleted them, so if copyvios persist appropriate action should follow. Hekerui (talk) 21:23, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay, thank you. But perhaps it might be helpful for someone such as yourself to investigate and leave a warning for the user - might be better rather than coming from me, as I have written WP:FA and WP:GA material on the topic, so you are more "uninvolved". Thoughts? :) -- Cirt (talk) 21:26, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Sure, if he continues, I'll be happy to. If you work in similar areas, might you give me a heads up if you see that the problem is ongoing? --Moonriddengirl21:28, 11 November 2010 (UTC)
Moonriddengirl, as thanks for my warning of the above user regarding copyvio and plagiarism, I have been reported to ANI, here . Thoughts? -- Cirt (talk) 19:21, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Does this (and a couple more insertions of the same) have to be RD1'd? I was involved in a content dispute on this - removing it from the article, but I didn't know this was a copyvio until another editor pointed it out on the talk page. If yes, as I'm "involved" in the article could you do it?
Game (2006 film) started off as part copyvio but the editor removed the offending portion and the bot note on the article. How should that be handled?
Kerala Forest Research Institute an old copyvio clean up that I did, can you take a look at this one too? It started off as a copyvio, someone else cleaned it up, then it returned to copyvio and I cleaned up and decided to tag for G12 as there wasn't any other content left, but it was declined by another editor; not sure if that content would classify as derivative.
You don't have to stay away. :) With your first question, I don't think we need to RD1 it, since it's pretty minimal. I've left the contributor a note to tell him that we can't copy content, though. With your second, you'd generally just note at WP:SCV that it's been cleaned up. If the content is extensive, you can Rd1 it. In this case, I'd put a {{Plot2}} at the article's talk page (and will). The next thing to do is see if he does a lot of this kind of thing or if this is a one-off. If it's a one-off, we hope he got the message. If he's been doing it a while or keeps at it, more steps may be needed. With 3, the new version is unacceptable. I've restored Eastmain's and blocked the contributor again for copyright problems. This one doesn't look to be going well. --Moonriddengirl14:26, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
THanks for that. The third one, I don't think it's the same editor who did the new copyvio, but his talk page appears to be full of copyvio notes so this might get his attention anyway. I just remembered about it because it came up on my watchlist yesterday. BTW, Keyan20 (we deleted a bunch of his images here and on commons) has posted on my talk page (again) saying that they are his images and he wishes to upload them (again). I'm not sure I'm getting through to him and neither have any of the other editors who've tried to counsel him here or at commons. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff15:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, I missed this up here! Thanks for keeping an eye out for it. As for the CCI, if you think that there's more than can comfortably be checked in one setting, by all means, request one. I'd be happy if we never got another, but that doesn't mean they aren't needful. :/ I am, by the way, afraid that we may be about to get a big one related to India. See User_talk:LRBurdak#Copyright_problem and subsequent. I'm hoping there's some good reason for what looks to be extensive copying from books. If not, we're going to have hundreds of articles at risk dating back years. :( --Moonriddengirl16:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
You've got to be kidding, LRBurdak is on my list! He's an admin over at Jatwiki and we have a lot of "cross posts" from one book to both wikis and then there's the flora and fauna thingy. As far as this Thrissur one goes, if I can get the new articles deleted as G12 I won't request a CCI and spare the folks. cheers. —SpacemanSpiff17:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Do you want to take a look at Jpullokaran (talk·contribs) talk page? I made an offer to not block longer term if he comes clean on his copyvios, but he says he doesn't remember and for us to ask questions about individual articles. I have a feeling that everything is a copyvio now. —SpacemanSpiff12:44, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'm looking. I don't think they're probably all copyvios, but that doesn't mean there aren't significant copyvios. I am not the most aggressive blocker on Misplaced Pages by a long shot. If I were, I would have given him longer than two weeks this time. My approach is crafted by a combination of optimism (if we can get through that we mean it, they may stop) and pessimism (if they have nothing left to lose, they will create socks and carry on violating copyright, making it only that much harder to identify). I've seen both my optimistic and pessimistic sides validated repeatedly. :) I will note, though, that he's right at least about Chit fund. He may have copied content from some source, but he didn't get anything from . If you compare the article before he touched it to after his changes, you can see that their website includes material from both. See the "example" given in the older version; it is duplicated by that website. That one's almost certainly a reverse copyright infringement. --Moonriddengirl13:29, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Good thing I just tagged this one instead of cleaning it out myself as I wasn't entirely sure about it as there seemed to be prior content that was similar too. THe block for this one is not entirely copyvio, it's also a lot of POV pushing into the Thrissur set of articles through misrepresentation of sources etc. Let me see if I can clean up some more stuff over the next few days and we can think of a CCI after that. BTW, I've had to take another PD tagged + Fair use tagged image from Keyan20 to FfD (since it had both, I couldn't F9). You could try your luck with him as you're far more diplomatic than I could aspire to be in this situation.... cheers. —SpacemanSpiff13:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I won't argue with you if you extend his block. I don't always block long enough, and even without considering the other factors the copyright concerns are serious. I'm not sure diplomacy is going to work with Keyan20, but I can give it a go. :/ --Moonriddengirl14:09, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Uploading of Updated Logo
Hi Moonriddengirl!
sorry to bother you with the old question. Tonight I finally got around to trying to upload the updated logo for the wikipedia page on the Asia Petrochemical Industry Conference. You may see I made 3 futile attempts and cannot figure out why the logo does not appear on the page after my uploading. Did I miss out any steps here?
Do you have any detailed guidelines which are bozo proof??
LOL! If we did, I'm sure I wouldn't make so many mistakes. :) Whatever may have gone wrong, it looks fine on this end. I see your updated image, and it's showing up properly at the article page. Maybe you need to refresh your browser? Or maybe it was just a temporary glitch that has resolved itself. --Moonriddengirl16:02, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Professional approach
Re: RAN's images. It took some time (and drama) but finally we have a professional approach to handling FUR-related problems for multiple images involving a single user. I also appreciate that you cared enough to mention to other editors not to mass-tag RAN's page with image-related notifications and gave them the correct reason why not to do it. Being efficient and caring is professionalism at its best. Thank you. Dr.K.17:36, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh, thank you. :) I do appreciate your comment. Among my main goals in these situations is to focus on making sure that content is usable and to remember that the people who placed the content very seldom intended to cause problems. It's best for everybody when things proceed professionally, without unnecessary drama. --Moonriddengirl17:43, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
It is an enlightened approach. In a difficult environment such as PUF it is both efficient and humane. It satisfies the needs of the project while treating individual editors with tact and respect. A very difficult combination, which has eluded many in the past and has caused a lot of problems. You just set a great working example for others to follow. This is what leadership is all about. Well done. Take care. Dr.K.19:15, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
I was aware of that - the only reason I did not do that was because of this
If that is correct then that article can be used, although there are no refs.
The next problem was whether the Flickr was the original or the SkihWiki - If the Sikh wiki came first, or both were copy free, then that version would surely be ok to use ? (assuming refs could be found.
To take it back to before that version was a moot point at the time I was considering it as the only version prior to that, the one you also chose, was also unreferenced.
Oi. The joys of copyright work. :) If I were coming upon this fresh without Yoenit's dating, I would have looked at when the image was taken on Flickr. Since the image was apparently taken in May 2010, I would then have checked the history of the Sikh wiki article to see when the text entered there. If it was published prior to May 2010, I would presume Sikh wiki was the point of origin. Determining whether Sikh wiki or the Sikh Encyclopedia came first is a bit more difficult, since Wayback doesn't give me the Sikh Encyclopedia page. But that's not definitive, because the website itself is archived to 2004, and they might have rearranged content. (And even if the website didn't archive to 2004, that's not definitive, either, because they might have moved the site from another address.) If the Sikh Encyclopedia had copied from Sikh Wiki, they would have had to have done so prior to 2008, when these changes were introduced. We can see that they had an article on that topic in March of 2007 (#58), though it's not archived. We can see that the title bar was present in 2006, here. I think in the absence of other evidence, we have to assume that the Sikh Encyclopedia came first and Sikh Wiki made a derivative of their work. --Moonriddengirl13:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Problems, problems
Dear MRG, sorry to bother you on such a beautiful Saturday morning. Believe me, I'd rather you and I were drinking coffee and doing the crossword puzzle while exchanging loving glances over our toast. Can you have a look at File:Gates2009.jpg? I tagged it (cause I had no faith) and it was subsequently deleted; now that same user, who has a history of unlicensed uploading, contributed a new masterpiece, File:ThomasNSA.jpg, which seems to be stolen from an ABC News article, "Feng Li/AFP/Getty Images". I was getting ready to report them for vandalism and ask for a block, but I will gladly let you make a decision on it (BTW, I tagged the image before I found the ABC article). I'm going through the editor's work--they seem to have a couple of IPs attached to them, making the same edits with similar edit summaries and typos (improper spacing in dates, for instance). Now, shall I squeeze you some more orange juice, and can I have one of your buns? Cinnamon buns? Drmies (talk) 15:00, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Who knew you were such a roue? :O I've deleted the latest as an F9. You've given the contributor a clear block caution. The next move is up to him, I think, as regards copyright. Otherwise, I'm not sure he's intentionally disrupting. His changes seem like they could be well-meant, but misguided. I wonder what all those letters mean in his edit summary? :/ --Moonriddengirl15:11, 13 November 2010 (UTC) (actually eating popcorn)
Hmm, yes, it may be good faith--but they have been warned before... I'm afraid I might be trying to show off my masculinity to you; forgive me. Well, we will wait and see. Thanks again, MRG, and have a lovely day! Drmies (talk) 15:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Copyright Concerns
For whatever reason, I have not received any of the accumulating messages about copyright concerns for my multi-article contribution on Cold War Legacies. Today I happened to do some browsing that brought me to Misplaced Pages, and came across the copyright issues. It happens that I am the lead author and copyright holder for Nuclear Shadowboxing and for Nuclear Insights, as well as being the original contributor for the Misplaced Pages subsection regarding Cold War Legacies. Therefore, the copyright approval is granted.
Because I have been very busy writing another book (on a completely different topic), I haven't had the time -- and won't have it -- to keep up with Misplaced Pages activities.
I hope you or someone can take care of this issue. Please excuse my inattention.
Could you look at Anthony Paulet and a complex copyright issue. On the talkpage an editor is claiming "I wrote the original article on my own site. Leo cited ME, and then I cited him as well. That's not a copyright violation" - it's a bit out of my comfort zone to sort that one out.— Rod18:52, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I stumbled upon this, and the language made me suspect some close-paraphrasing or copyvio troubles; brief googling of some phrases e.g. "him with a baseball bat and locked him in the", escalated "capital offense" Komisarjevsky "offering post-traumatic stress assistance to jurors" and suchlike, it appears some bits are straight from syndicated news.
So far, I haven't found anything, but I've formed the opinion that this was contributed by somebody with a great appreciation for the purple prose of crime narrative: "These preliminary measures employed by the police exhausted more than half an hour of critically valuable time and proved ineffective at serving and protecting the perilous needs of the Petit family." "The notoriety of this heinous crime extends well beyond Cheshire, and even the state." Not exactly encyclopedic! Given the evenness of the tone throughout, I would expect that it was either (a) copied wholesale or (b) contributed/copy-edited by somebody who writes that way. Since I can't find (a), I'm leaning towards (b). And that's a horrible crime. :( --Moonriddengirl14:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Heh; many thanks. I'm sorry to have bothered you once again. Yes, the language and tone is exactly what made me suspicious. Chzz ► 14:56, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Having contributed the specific prose cited above, I absolutely refute the suggestion that the prose was copied wholesale. It is my manner of writing which is reflected, and I am slightly concerned that you would exclaim it as non encyclopedic. While it does diverge slightly from the prose of other contributors, it is not original research or even point of view. In fact a reference stream can be produced to substantiated each adjective. What concerns me most is your closing statement; "And that's a horrible crime." My concern is that I don't know if the comment attributes to the circumstances of the crime, or to your reaching "(b)" as more likely. If my writing style is a horrible crime, please advise.My76Strat17:28, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
The crime about which you are writing is horrible. Your writing is not at all a horrible crime. :) It's very well written for crime reporting; I'm afraid that it is non-encyclopedic, at least as Misplaced Pages defines such things. See Misplaced Pages:TONE#Tone. Your writing is very colorful; content such as that I singled out isn't at all "businesslike". For example, even though I agree with you that the crime was heinous, it's not our place to comment on it. We're just here to report it. If other people call it heinous, we quote them. --Moonriddengirl17:34, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes I agree. In fact Chzz and I have discussed this very counsel during the interim between these posts. And I thank you for clarifying the respects of my writing. I will remove the purple hue and steadfastly resist using prose which does lean towards support of a position. Kind regards.My76Strat18:48, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I would have restored the earlier plot summary, but it looks likely that it was actually copied verbatim! :/ I did put a {{Plot2}} on the article's talk page. Ideally, somebody will shorten the plot description and add critical commentary on the book. --Moonriddengirl16:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
edits
Hi can you take a look at Miley Cyrus because people keep removing the lead roll notations in the filmography section so i have reverted them a couple of times would like to have your opinion thanksTucsonDavid (talk) 04:05, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Good morning to both of you. :) I'm afraid I have no special authority over this issue and my opinion would be uninformed. I've heard of Miley; that's about that. However, the words "people keep removing" are generally somewhat alarming, as are the words "reverted them a couple of times". If someone objects to content, it's usually a good idea to find out why; if people (multiple) are objecting, all the more so. The first thing to do is find out why; conversation at the article's talk page is a good place to start. If after that you feel additional assistance is needed, you should generally follow the directions at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution. Asking for feedback at a proper board is more likely to get you an individual in position to provide neutral feedback. In this case, if you disagree with AussieLegend's rationale, you may wish to open up a conversation at Talk:Miley Cyrus first to see if you can reach consensus on the matter. --Moonriddengirl14:38, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I can't find anything besides mirrors. However, the material is obviously original research and should be removed on those grounds. Yoenit (talk) 14:36, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
I suppose so. The material seems written like a scientific paper, but not polished as one might expect from an actual published paper—perhaps Flueck tried to publicize his summary of the issues with these deer on Misplaced Pages instead of a scientific publication. I'll try to rewrite the articles—though that may not be easy because I can't access Morejohn and Dailey (2004). Thanks both for the assistance! Ucucha15:14, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi MRG. I have now gone through the 14 film entries and marked them in the usual way. I have also added some thoughts to the general MO of this contributor regarding films. As this is only a 'partial' CCI I wasn't sure whether you wanted to review this one and determine if we need to do more. Boissière (talk) 22:59, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi. :D I think it's very plausible that this is the limit of her copyright problems. A lot of contributors seem to think that plot summaries are by default public domain, for some reason. I've seen other users in the past who have pasted these while otherwise contributing their own content. I did leave a note at the archived CCI, though, that if she's found to be copying content into other areas, we'll need to revisit the past, so to speak. --Moonriddengirl12:19, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Copyright infringement
Hey! How are you? I'm working on the Public Policy Initiative this semester and one of the student groups has copied some material directly from a source at Workforce development - you can see my comments at Talk:Workforce development. I'm afraid I don't have time to go through the entire article looking for other instances, but I was hoping you could help them out. They are graduate students, so they should learn quickly. Awadewit (talk) 23:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I wasn't sure if there was special handling of these situations per the PPI and didn't want to step in directly if passing it to an ambassador would be a better idea. :) --Moonriddengirl14:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I guess i'm done
I've withdrawn from NaNoWriMo. I'm just too far behind and, with finals coming up, I just don't have the time to write. I'm sad about it, but there's nothing I can do. I'll just have to make sure to actually finish my novel in December after the semester ends. I mean, if I still finish the novel, then it's a net win, right? ;) Anyways, could you go ahead and remove the Wikibreak Enforcer from my account? I'd appreciate it. (Silver seren) 165.91.173.45 (talk) 00:03, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Haha, Silver seren, if you happen to be a member of Sigma Tau Delta, one of the chapters in the Southern region, we have a competition related to NaNoWriMo, with cash prizes! Get back to writing: 50,000 words! Drmies (talk) 21:26, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I wasn't sure where/how to continue. If I am posting in the wrong area, please move it back or whatever is proper.
So, I found the license you spoke of and added it to my wiki. It is located in the footer and the link sends you here. I believe this is kinda what you were driving at. I will need to go into each file I've imported and write a note in the Summary and that will take a bit of time, but I want to make sure I am on track. It's never been so much about the legalese and such, more of a belief that there is right and wrong in the world; the military drove that in my head! :) I want to make sure I get stuff right and acceptable to folks both on Misplaced Pages and at large as I hope to set an example with others who visit to my site; to show that there is a proper way to use other folks' materials. Thanx! --Foreclosurepedia (talk) 00:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi. :) You are welcome here; it is certainly much more convenient for me. :D As I said earlier in our conversation, I can't give you legal advice, but as far as our view of the matter, you are in the right as long as you (a) continue the license and (b) attribute your source. For some reason, I can't get your website to load by following your links, by pasting it in directly or even by looking it up through Google. I even tried switching from Mozilla Firefox to Internet Explorer, but still couldn't get in. Maybe there's a temporary glitch? :/ --Moonriddengirl11:59, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi, I received your comment about the changes that I made on MY page and that YOU reverted.
May I tell you that I find those last lines about my private life totally unappropriate, intrusive, and not of the level of an encyclopedia?
1. They are uncomplete. If you really need to talk about the women of my life, then talk about all of them.
If you really can't avoid mentionning my ex-wife, then MENTION HER NAME, she's a well known mezzo-soprano in France, Elsa Maurus.
Why to randomly choose Nancy Gustafson who was only a girl friend? It's not an "encyclopedic information", it draggs the level of Misplaced Pages to any "people magazine". If you were a composer, as I am, I would say that you end your sonata on a vulgar, pedestrian note.
So, please, either NAME my ex-wife, as I did in my new edit, or don't mention her. And mentionning the "girl friends" is completely out of the subject, or at least make an exhaustive list.... That, too, would be, if I may say so, totally uninteresting.
I just find really unfair, unpleasant to mention "non official partners", because the "current partners" are always offended by the mention of the previous ones. Do you get my point?
Thanks for your comprehension
Frederic Chaslin
Fredchaslin (talk) 12:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Mr. Chaslin, I will refer you back to the message I left you at the talk page of your IP: User talk:210.253.152.135. When you remove sourced content, you need to indicate a reason. This allows others to understand your actions and to see why the removal of sourced content may be constructive. Typically, articles are developed by adding content, not by removing it...even when old information is superceded by new, it remains of interest to our readers as part of complete biographical coverage. --Moonriddengirl13:05, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
Just wanted to say a quick thanks for helping me with my copyright concern (National Capitol Columns). I was browsing and saw that it looked suspicious so I wanted to flag it, but I didn't have time time to investigate right then. So I'm happy that it successfully got sorted out!
No problem; working copyright is what I do, and I'm always happy when people come forward with their concerns so that we can either address it or clear it. :) --Moonriddengirl20:14, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
We have been in discussion on a number of occasions in the past about the Misplaced Pages page for Sassy Pandez. In the light of some recent negative feedback from potential clients, it seems that older material on the Sassy Pandez page is having a detrimental effect on her career, and is potentially jeopardising her future work and income. This seems wholly unfair, especially given that the original page was posted some years ago by a unconnected third party. I wanted to discuss with you again about making some alterations to the page, along the lines that we have discussed previously. If you feel that this is in fact not possible, because it does not meet Misplaced Pages guidelines, then it would in fact be better for the page to be deleted from Misplaced Pages so that no further damage is done to Sassy Pandez and her career. As it stands, the potential benefits of being included in Misplaced Pages are currently very much outweighed by the negative effect of some of the older material in the article and associated references.
In an ideal world, it would be great to have an article that is just about Sassy Pandez, and does not include references to the earlier work, since this does have associated legal issues, as I have mentioned before. If this is not possible, then we would have to consider deletion of the page as a last resort.
I look forward to your feedback on the above. Thanks for your time.
AquilaUK (talk) 22:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
As I have mentioned in the past, there are legal issues associated with the older material which it is not appropriate to discuss in an open forum like this. There have been discussions in the past about deletion of this article, and it's continued inclusion was deemed marginal at the time. It seems wrong to me that an individual has no rights over the material about them on Misplaced Pages, especially when posted by a third party, and when such information is proving to be detrimental to the career of the subject. What grounds would be considered acceptable for deletion of this article? I have looked through the two links you suggested but I am still unsure of how best to proceed from here. AquilaUK (talk) 23:49, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
The article would be deleted if Sassy Pandez was insufficiently notable for inclusion. Misplaced Pages does not include articles on private individuals, of course. We excluded her real name on your request based on her marginal notability. However, last time the conversation of her notability was raised, she was deemed notable enough based on reliable sources to retain the article. I suspect that as there are even more sources now, the article on her would not be deleted. If there are private concerns, you can communicate them to the volunteers who work the e-mail addresses linked at both of those pages. They will protect your privacy, but you will need to tell them specifically what your concern is and why in order for them to help you. Please especially read Misplaced Pages:Contact us/Article problem/Factual error (from subject) for the best means of approaching them about your concerns. --Moonriddengirl00:02, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Ok, thanks for the info. I need to think about this and work out the best way to proceed, but maybe an email like you suggest would be the next step. AquilaUK (talk) 00:18, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I have been thinking more about this issue since yesterday, and I had an idea for an alternative solution that could work for all parties. The concept is simple - split the existing page into two - or rather, unlink the old DJ Sassy page from Sassy Pandez, and include on each page only the material that is relevant to each name. Then the older references would all be on the DJ Sassy page and the newer references would be on the Sassy Pandez page. This addresses the biggest issue that we have with the current page (for legal reaons) which is the link between the older and newer references. And the DJ Sassy page should also incude references to the various other DJs around the world who also use that name (I know of at least two, one in the US and one in the Far East). I would appreciate your feedback on this. AquilaUK (talk) 21:01, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi. I doubt that this would be deemed acceptable. We don't usually fork articles; although we may split out articles that become too large, even then we leave a summary of the contents of the split in the main article. An encyclopedic article on one person generally covers all notable aspects of their careers. I think your best bet at this point is probably to write to the OTRS team to explain to them what kind of private concerns there are that make the contents of the article a problem. As far as the DJ Sassy redirect, if Misplaced Pages gets other articles on individuals known by that name, we might create a "disambiguation" page, but we wouldn't do this until there are at least two people of equal notability. Generally, we use "disambiguation" pages when we have three articles to which a title might point. --Moonriddengirl21:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
A thought struck me recently. In the recent furore in the press about oil drilling in the Falklands I noticed several UK papers cut'n'pasted text I'd written on wikipedia (without I might add attributing where they got it from). It then later struck me that if someone were to match the two at some later date I might be falsely accused of plagiarism. The revision history would of course show I wrote it before it was published.
What would happen in the mean time though, would it have been deleted. What about if I was no longer active or on an extended wikibreak? Is there checks and balances to make sure before action is taken? Justintalk00:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Don't worry, we check what came first. With newsarticles this is simple, we check the last page revision before the newsarticle came out. If the suspicious text is present in that revision they copied from us. However, it is certainly possible that you are falsely accused over this in the future. Therefore I would advise putting {{Backwardscopyvio}} with some links on the article talkpage. Yoenit (talk) 07:00, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
(Another TPS) And you should write to the newspapers and demand a credit for the work they stole. Editors round here are bending over backwards to make wp copyright compliant and the professionals can't be bothered to extend us the same courtesy? Outrageous! Bigger digger (talk) 11:59, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, when items are listed at WP:CP, we check to see which came first as a matter of routine. I'll second the {{backwardscopyvio}} recommendation; more than placing it, I would recommend explaining it in a section at the talk page. In this case, the date of the newspaper article should easily clear you, since the history of the Misplaced Pages article shows when the content entered here. I've run into a few items that have been deleted where we had the content first. What I do is restore them, note the backwards copying, and explain to the deleting admin why. We also try to keep up WP:MIRROR with websites that routinely copy us, which helps prevent the confusion in the first place. --Moonriddengirl12:13, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
It's a lot better, yes. :D I'm not entirely sure about the advice in WP:Plagiarism#Where to place attribution, since I have never followed it myself (I attribute at the top of the ref section), but it's not worth the fuss and bother. What matters most (to me) is that we clearly define what we consider to be plagiarism and clearly identify how not to do it. That keeps us from the hand-waving of "It's plagiarism!" vs. "No, it's not!" --Moonriddengirl12:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Jean Tyrrell and Harry Baldwin
Oh! I don't know what I was thinking! Inexperience. Delete both articles please, I don't have time to work on them. Could you check Don't Forget the Bacon! for copyvio/plagiarism? I'm reviewing it for GAN and I don't want to pass it to GA if there are any such issues. Thanks! Susanne2009NYC (talk) 13:46, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Since the pages tagged by CorenSearchBot are listed at a Misplaced Pages:Suspected copyright violations subpage you don't have to report them, only notify the contributor like you did. You can mark what action you've taken on the article (we even have {{SCV}} for common actions), but if you don't someone else working through the list can do that (I just did it in this case). You can look at the patrol log to see who marked it patrolled, but you'd have to ask them why they didn't follow up on the possible copyvio tag. VernoWhitney (talk) 19:19, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Looking for some guidance
Hi, I'm looking for some guidance in an area where I know you have expertise. An editor asked for feedback at Requests for feedback, specifically, with this request
I note that a number of the photographs (possibly all, I just checked a few), are identified as coming from "Alberto Terrile's personal archive".
One possibility is that the article has been written by the subject, which would raise COI issues. While the main editor is User:Drwho72, which doesn't settle the question, the feedback question was signed by Claudio Castellini.
Anyone can type anything on the internet, so I don't that Castellini is or is not a real name, the same person as Terrile or not, and if a different person, whether Castellini has the authority to posy Terrile's work.
Obviously, I can ask, but I'd like to be delicate about this.
I'm no expert photographer, but to my untrained eye, the work looks quite good. My understanding is that if a copyright holder releases their work under a CC-SA license, they cannot revoke that license. If my understanding is correct, I think we ought to have a duty to ensure that the person releasing the rights understands what they are doing, but I don't know to what WP policy has to say on this issue, if anything. I know I have released my rights on many photographs, and no one warned me, but then again, if you look at my work, no one is beating down my door offering to pay for it.
Even if the rule is that Terrile can release it as CC-SA, it appears that some other person is uploading the photos. Do we need to request OTRS confirmation?
I'll also note the existence of what I assume is an Italian version of the page, raising different issues. I have no experience in cross-language issues, but I assume we have guidelines when one article is a translation of another.
MRG, I'm not looking to dump this in your lap; I'm interested in taking the next steps (although I will be other of town until Friday) but I think you can see that there are several issues to be addressed, and I'd like us to sound like we know what we are talking about. We are already starting on the wrong foot because there was an original request on 4 October, which we didn't get to.
I'm tentatively considering a quick response, something like, "My initial reaction tot he article is quite positive. However, there are some issues raised. I want to get some feedback from other editors with more experience in certain areas. It may take a couple days, but I've added this article to my list of things to do, so it won't fall through the cracks this time."
(talk page stalker) Since it's not clear that the uploader is the same as the copyright holder and especially since they've used a different name, we need OTRS permission from the copyright holder for the images. The template (WP:CONSENT) that we ask people to send in to grant permission is pretty explicit about what the license entails.
The article at it:Alberto Terrile was created after the one here and by the same editor, so there aren't any attribution issues, and even if there were they would be at itwiki, and I don't really know how the procedure works there. If it was written there and then translated here we have {{Translated page}} to handle that situation.
Thanks VW. I'll take care of the specifc feedback on the article content. I know you are one of our image experts, so I'll look at how you tag the images and learn. Do you plan on placing a note at the editors talk page urging them to check the images to address the issues, or will that happen automatically?--SPhilbrickT19:39, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
All of their images were on commons, so I tagged them there and that's where the notification messages were left (not automatically, although there's a gadget which bundles it with the tagging). I'm also going to leave a short message here directing them to commons for the details. VernoWhitney (talk) 20:10, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks. I completed my feedback, and left a note at the editors talk page. My feedback mentioned that there were permission issues to be addressed separately.SPhilbrickT20:53, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Moonriddengirl, if you have time, would you mind looking at the above? Lilian Govey is a one-paragraph article, with all but one sentence paraphrased from Richard Dalby's The Golden Age of Children's Book Illustration (1991). Not sure whether it's close enough to count as a copyvio; or whether the words would be considered ordinary enough so that a degree of similarity was inevitable. The editor was not pleased by recent similar inquiries, so I thought I ought to check it with you, and ask what the procedure is (re: tagging, removing, deleting).
Dalby: "She illustrated several books for Harrap, Wells Gardner & Darton (under the pseudonym 'JL Gilmour', following a disagreement with this company), Dean (Dean's Happy Common Series; The Book of Happy Gnomes), Nelson (The Old Fairy Tales), and especially Humphrey Milford (The Rose Fairy Book; Nursery Rhymes from Animal Lands) who also employed her talents in several playbooks, Christmas annuals, and the 'Postcards for the Little Ones' Series."
"She spent most of her adult life in a remote Sussex cottage, where she where she became devoted to the study of local history, folk lore and spiritualism."
Misplaced Pages: "She illustrated for the publishers Harrap, Wells Gardner & Dean (using the pseudonym J.L. Gilmour), Dean, Nelson, and Humphrey Milford. Books include Dean's Happy Christmas Series, The Book of Happy Gnomes, The Old Fairy Tales, The Rose Fairy Book, and Nursery Rhymes from Animal Lands. For Humphrey Milford she illustrated several playbooks, Christmas annuals, and the Postcards for the Little Ones series. Govey passed most of her adult life in a remote Sussex cottage studying folklore, spiritualism, and local history."
Margaret Tarrant has two such paragraphs. The sources are this article by Denise Ortakales, and Richard Dalby's The Golden Age of Children's Book Illustration.
Dalby, p. 134: Besides her many children's books, Margaret Tarrant's postcards, calendars and silhouette designs were enormously popular. The plates in her edition of Nursery Rhymes (1914) were reissued as 48 bestselling postcards. Reproductions of her best-known painting, 'The Piper of Dreams', sold by the thousand to decorate sitting-rooms around the land. Her religious paintings achieved a great following in the 1920s and 1930s, especially 'He Prayeth Best', depicting a shepherd boy kneeling on a hilltop.
Misplaced Pages, citing Dalby: Besides her children's books, Tarrant's postcards, calendars, and silhouettes were extremely popular. Reproductions of The Piper of Dreams sold in the thousands, and the 48 plates from her best-selling Nursery Rhymes of 1914 were issued as sets of postcards. Her religious paintings of the 1920s and 1930s were extremely popular, especially He Prayeth Best, a depiction of a praying shepherd boy.
Ortakales: She has exhibited at the Royal Academy and the Royal Society of Artists in Birmingham. By 1953, her health and eyesight was deteriorating. Within a few years, she gave up her house in Peaslake to live with her friend Molly Brett in Cornwall. She died on 28 July 1959. She left her pictures to her friends and her estate to twelve charities.
Misplaced Pages, citing Dalby and Ortakales: She exhibited at the Royal Academy and the Royal Society of Artists in Birmingham. In the early 1950s, her health and eyesight deteriorated, and, within a few years, she left her house in Peaslake to join her friend Molly Brett in Cornwall. She died on 28 July 1959, leaving her pictures to friends and her estate to twelve charities.
Hi, Slim. :) Lilian Govey is a particular problem, as there's no question that we are doing anything transformative with the material. I believe that both of them need to be rewritten. Ordinarily, I would blank them and address my concerns with the contributor, but (in a case of "can you believe the timing") while you were leaving me this note, I was making this one. :/ I will add reference to this matter to the CCI listing. --Moonriddengirl21:55, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Timing indeed. I've not really dealt with this kind of thing before (except for one-off copyvios I've spotted occasionally), so your guidance is much appreciated. If more problems appear, should we place them directly on the CCI page, rather than removing the material? Or both? SlimVirgin22:09, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I appreciate your attention to it. :) Once a CCI is opened, we generally clean the material directly, if we can. Since this contributor so far hasn't shown a lot of interest in rewriting these problems, that seems like the best approach anyway. If we can't, we do block and hope that somebody rewrites it before it comes due for closure in a week. When I can, I save them, if nobody else does. The solution for the longer article is probably to stub it for now. The shorter one needs rewriting. --Moonriddengirl22:19, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
(edit conflict) You may wish to pay attention to the edits from Susanne2009NYC (talk·contribs); not only does this fit in with same plagiaristic pattern, I have suspicion to believe that this is a returned sock of a banned user. I am going to investigate into this, likely with CU. –MuZemike22:28, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
Jumping in here. Reading the above set my antennae twitching re the article Ruth K. MacDonald. If you scroll down Susanne2009NYC (talk·contribs)'s Talk page history (sorry, haven't figured out how to provide diffs), you will see a short interchange between us on 8 November re a possible close paraphrasing of a book bio (which I still intend to fix - just haven't got round to it yet). Seemed innocent enough (if a bit careless) at the time. Now I'm wondering...Might be nothing to this but I thought worth mentioning --Plad2 (talk) 22:51, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I initiated a deletion review Misplaced Pages:DRV#User:Geo_Swan/Guantanamo/Brookings lists of released captives.
It was closed early by an administrator who chose not to take a stand on whether it was a copyright violation.
That admin emailed me a tiny rump of the of the original page -- entirely worthless.
I left a message on their talk page not long afterwards, with what I intended to be some good faith questions about where to get the copyright issue resolved.
But they haven't been online in almost a week, and haven't responded.
I have however subsequently been emailed the full source.
I'd be very grateful if you would look at the deleted page.
Am I correct that the first of the three tables, the one on pages 69 through 84 of the original source is not copyrightable, because it is a list of facts, as per Feith v. Rural?
I acknowledge pages 85 through 90 contain some sentence fragments that contain interpretations, and that are not facts.
Do you think they are long enough to pass de minimus?
If they would pass de minimus, do you think a version of those tables where those handful of sentence fragments had been replaced, or rewritten would be no longer be a problem?
Another administrator who looked at the deleted page suggested that, even if the pages had a sprinkly of original text on it, they were so brief and so infrequent they would be includeable unde fair use. I acknowledge I am not satisfied with my current level of understanding of fair use. Does this make sense to you?
In your opinion, if material once lapsed from a policy, but is subsequently fixed, so it does comply, when is an administrator authorized to delete it, based on their concern over the earlier version?
I have done a lot of work on the Guantanamo captives habeas corpus cases -- probably hundreds of hours. This page, or a version of it, would be very useful to me as an
aid to correlating which captives were included in which habeas corpus petitions. I have doubts over whether the original deleting administrator's action was firmly based in policy.
But, if, for the sake of argument it was. A stripped down version of the page, that still allowed me to correlate the habeas petitions with the captives, would remain extremely useful to me.
(TPS) Geo Swan, keep in mind that whatever the outcome here, now that you have a copy of the text you are always free to keep it on your own computer with a utility program such as Notepad. You can copy-paste the text into an edit window and use Preview, all the links will work, you can update and re-save to your own PC and no-one in the world can stop you doing it. So long as you don't actually commit the edit to Misplaced Pages, no-one will even know you are doing it. It's not as convenient as actually keeping a page on the WMF server, but it does get the job done. Now back to our regular programming... Franamax (talk) 00:09, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
pics for article
Hi Moonriddengirl,
I'm looking to find out if Misplaced Pages has any images of paintings by Jacob Lawrence or other African American painters for an article I'm rewriting. Don't remember what I did with that search link you gave me a while back. Thanks.Malke 2010 (talk) 00:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Susanne2009NYC
I thought I was doing the right thing but apparently it was "too close paraphrasing". I looked at the case page (or whatever it is) and didn't understand it. It looks all too complicated for me. I'm willing to cooperate but I don't know what you want me to do. It's impossible for me to go back and clean this stuff up. Just blank the pages. Susanne2009NYC (talk) 00:43, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
