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I see you've just developed a new template for articles related to human intelligence. I'm wondering if you've seen the source list on that subject I keep in user space for all Wikipedians to use. Perhaps you know of some sources you would like to suggest as additions to that source list. Welcome aboard.

Again, welcome! WeijiBaikeBianji (talk) 03:45, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Arbitration enforcement

Hello, an arbitration enforcement request about an issue you've been involved in has recently been posted here: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#WeijiBaikeBianji -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 22:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Feel free to provide a rationale for article edits or template edits in the talk pages.

Hi, Woodsrock, I see you are still quite new here, and quite active in editing articles related to the recently decided Arbitration Committee case. It has historically been difficult to bring about editor collaboration in the proper Misplaced Pages way in many of the articles related to that case, perhaps because editors come to those articles with their minds already made up from having read just a few sources, but I'm optimistic that that situation is improving recently as more editors are reading more and better sources (which you and all editors are always welcome to contribute to the joint list). Let's discuss on appropriate talk pages for articles or for templates what edits best represent current reliable sources on those sometimes very contentious subjects. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 01:37, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

November 2010

Welcome to Misplaced Pages. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, we must insist that you assume good faith while interacting with other editors, which you did not on High IQ society. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. Your edit summaries are more useful to the thousands of other editors who edit Misplaced Pages when you refer to a rationale for the article (or template) text to be as you prefer rather than malign an edit as a "crank" or "bizarre" or "strange" edit. Misplaced Pages has rules about editor civility and those rules are specifically mentioned in the active arbitration sanctions to which the articles you have been editing recently are subject. I look forward to much civil discussion with you about what the best sources on the article topics say and how those articles can best reflect those sources with due weight to differing points of view. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 01:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC) WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 01:44, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

You do not have good faith - you are on a dishonest mission of some sort. Woodsrock (talk) 01:51, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Discussion about WeijiBaikeBianji's possible COI

(This comment is being posted to several editors who were involved in the AFD for High IQ society.)

I’ve just noticed the now-closed AFD for this article, and the concerns that were raised in it about WeijiBaikeBianji’s possible conflict of interest on IQ-related articles. I’ve also had some concerns about WeijiBaikeBianji’s editing behavior on these articles, and so have a few other editors who weren’t involved in the AFD, so I recently brought up this issue with Coren, one of the arbitrators. The discussion about this is here. Coren is offering some advice about how this issue ought to be handled, so he suggested that I contact the other editors who’ve been concerned about this possible COI.

One thing that Coren is suggesting is to start an RFC about WeijiBaikeBianji. Whether you agree with that suggestion or not, I think it would be a good idea for any of you to participate in the discussion in Coren’s user talk, in order to help figure out what the best way is to deal with this situation. --Captain Occam (talk) 18:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Not sure what that all means, but I'd love to see that crank taken down. Woodsrock (talk) 00:12, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Well, I can explain the meaning of some of the terms I’m using. I see you’ve only been registered for a month, so I probably shouldn’t be using all of these terms while expecting you to already know what they mean.

• AFD: Stands for “Article For Deletion”, such as WeijiBaikeBianji’s attempt to delete the “High IQ society” article. See Misplaced Pages:AFD
• Arbitrators: High-level Misplaced Pages admins. Misplaced Pages currently has 13 arbitrators, who are responsible for resolving disputes that can’t be resolved any other way, although arbitration cases generally aren’t accepted unless several other dispute resolution channels have already been tried and failed. The reason I contacted Coren is because there was an arbitration case about IQ-related articles over the summer, and WeijiBaikeBianji and I were both involved in it. See Misplaced Pages:ARBCOM
• COI: Stands for “Conflict of Interest”, which is an external influence on an editor’s behavior that interferes with their ability to be neutral on Misplaced Pages articles. An example of a COI would be if WeijiBaikeBianji’s affiliation with Mensa has been motivating him to try and get articles about other high-IQ societies deleted. Letting a conflict of interest affect one’s editing behavior isn’t allowed at Misplaced Pages. See Misplaced Pages:COI
• RFC: Stands for “Request for Comment”. A request for comment about a specific user (Also known as an RFC/U) is a way to bring attention to a user’s conduct in an effort to get them to improve it. An RFC/U itself can’t result in sanctions against an editor, but it can still document problematic behavior, so that if they continue to engage in the same behavior even after being asked to stop in the RFC/U, they’re more likely to be sanctioned in the future. See Misplaced Pages:RFC/U

If there’s anything else I’m saying where you don’t know what it means, let me know and I’ll try to explain it.

Although I agree that some of what WeijiBaikeBianji has been doing is disruptive, wanting to get him “taken down” probably isn’t the best attitude to have about this. The goal should just be to stop him from having a negative effect on these articles, either by getting him to change his behavior, or possibly with some sort of sanction if he isn’t willing to change it. Coren might have some useful advice about how to accomplish this, so I’d suggest listening to whatever he has to say about it. --Captain Occam (talk) 01:42, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Captain. WBB's attempt to delete the High IQ society page was strange. I don't understand why someone would object to that topic's existence. As unbelievable as it sounds, I'm guessing WBB's dislike of the page was personal in nature.

Actually, in writing this it made me think, and I've realized that WBB is not a crank. WBB simply does not like any concepts that could lead to notions of "hierarchy". This is why WBB is also mistakenly interested in racial topics.

WBB, all people are morally equal. Hierarchies are only 'there' if you choose to categorize people from a materialist perspective (productivity, resource acquisition), AND then really think those distinctions are important in an individual's worth as a person. A materialist view of the world is only one shallow view of humanity's value.

(Your outlook is also deterministic - you might believe IQ, and race, must lead to a certain sort of life - this is so not true.)

WeijiBaikeBianji your objection to notions of hierarchy is a philosophical issue you can move past. Hierarchies can exist. But only if we choose to see them, and crucially, only if we choose to place great (and totalizing) value in them.

Woodsrock (talk) 04:48, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

It would have been much more courteous (and productive) to bring up these issues on my talk page, but I have to say that some of the comments that have come up from experienced editors and administrators where Captain Occam raised his complaint are kind of hilarious, in light of the urgent accusations being made about me. How about let's just look up reliable sources and discuss what those actually say on article talk pages (or, if you prefer, on my talk page) and go about building an encyclopedia? I am perhaps second to none in my willingness to share sources with other editors here on Misplaced Pages, so we have plenty to discuss in a civil, welcoming manner. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 02:50, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Enough editors have raised concerns with your behavior on various article talk pages, as well as in the AFD for High IQ Society, that it’s hard for me to imagine trying to discuss it in your user talk would have led to a different result. I mean, you had four different editors telling you in the AFD that you had a conflict of interest on these articles and should not be editing them, yet you chose to ignore all four of them—do you really expect anyone to believe that you would have reacted differently if this point had been made in your user talk instead?

Woodsrock, as you can see from Coren’s user talk, Coren is suggesting that we go ahead with an RFC/U. I guess I agree with Coren that that’s the most appropriate course of action at this stage. If you’d like to start the RFC/U yourself and aren’t sure how to go about this, I (or any other fairly experienced editor) can give you some advice about it. --Captain Occam (talk) 03:18, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Captain, I agree with you. Respectfully though, I don't want to live in wiki-world, re making a RFC/UFC, so I'm sorry I can't/won't put in more. Happy to add comments though to court cases if I happen to look at wikipedia. I know you've done some good organizing work. Awareness of WBB's (polite) jihad is growing - but the Five-O need to know. Raising awareness amongst good admins will speed up putting the cuffs on, so I think talk to them directly. Woodsrock (talk) 02:06, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:AE

FYI: Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Captain Occam Mathsci (talk) 07:18, 22 November 2010 (UTC)