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Other neat portal ideas for longer term

• Longer term ideas to think about from other portals:

1. Events section, like: "On this day" e.g., Biography, Religion, United States; "Selected anniversaries" e.g., War; "Calendar" at Holidays. Interesting idea of "Month selected anniversaries", at Oregon.
2. Model intro with some rotating images, after Portal:Oregon, Portal:Indiana, Portal:Iceland/Intro and Portal:Philosophy of science/Intro.
3. Revamp DYK sections w/ free-use images, model after Portal:Criminal justice and Portal:Oregon.
4. Portal palettes at User:RichardF/Palettes/Portals. Comparable color schemes can be developed from the various hue lists at User:RichardF/Palettes. Also see Portal:Box-header.
5. If there are a lot of categories, then categories section to 2 columns, like in Portal:Indiana.

   Also take some time to check out style/formatting at Portal:Indiana Cirt (talk)

Note to self

• MakeRef
• Reflinks
• Citation tool for Google Books
• Citation tool for DOIs
• Tools, part 1: References, external links, categories and size
• User:Edward/Find link

independent reliable secondary sources

• User:Citation bot/use

• {{findsources}}

Refs inside scroll box

<div class="reflist4" style="height: 200px; overflow: auto; padding: 3px; border: 1px solid #ababab">{{reflist|2}}</div>

Cite templates

<ref>{{cite book| last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | title =  | publisher =  | year =  | location =  | page =  | url =  | doi =  | id =    | isbn = }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite news| last =  | first =  | coauthors =  | title =  | work =  | language =  | publisher =  | page =  | date =  | url =  | accessdate =  }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite journal|last =| first=| authorlink=| coauthors=|title=|journal=|volume=|issue=|page=|publisher=|location = | date = | url = | doi = | id = | accessdate = }}</ref>
<ref>{{cite web| last =  | first =  | authorlink =  | coauthors =  | title =  | work =  | publisher =  | date =  | url =  | format =  | doi =  | accessdate =  }}</ref>

Citation model

The Simpsons (season 3)

Body text in-cite

<ref name="REFNAME">], p. PAGENUMBER</ref>

References section

(reference template from WP:CIT)

*<cite id=LASTNAME>REFERENCE</cite>

Different model

• Template:Citation
• Template:Harvnb
• Example: <ref name="REFNAME">{{Harvnb|LAST|YEAR|p=PAGENUMBER}}</ref>

See models at The General in His Labyrinth and Mario Vargas Llosa.

More info. Cirt (talk)

More at Misplaced Pages:Harvard citation template examples.

And Template talk:Harvard citation no brackets.

Cirt (talk)

Dispatch

Cirt, Awadewit suggested that you might be interested in writing a Signpost Dispatch article on Featured portals (the only area of featured content we haven't covered). Sample previous articles are at {{FCDW}}. We've covered:

• Featured content overview
• Peer review
• Did you know
• Featured lists
• Good articles
• Featured sounds
• Featured topics
• Images
• TFA
• And Featured articles many times: Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-07-21/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-04-07/Dispatches, Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages Signpost/2008-10-13/Dispatches

None of them start out looking like that: if an editor initially just chunks in some text, many others chip in to tweak it up to Signpost standards. For example, someone wrote this, which Karanacs, Royalbroil and I turned into this, so if you just chunk in some text as a start, others can help finish it off. Another example, I put in this outline, and Karanacs brought it up to this. Other editors have written almost complete and clean Dispatches without much need for other editing. If you're interested, please weigh in and coordinate at WT:FCDW In case you're interested, you could just begin sandboxing something at WP:FCDW/Portals and pop over to WT:FCDW to leave a note when you're ready for others to help out. Regards, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 19:26, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Will mull this over and most likely draft something up. Cirt (talk) 11:54, 18 November 2108 (UTC)

Razzies progress

• 15th Golden Raspberry Awards through 29th Golden Raspberry Awards = reformatting process done.
  • Note: Going to have to go back and model these after the modifications made subsequently to 29th Golden Raspberry Awards.
• 29th Golden Raspberry Awards - so far only one expanded with sourcing research. (WP:FL)
• Razzie Award for Worst New Star = reformatting process done, next to use Talk:Razzie Award for Worst Picture as model to reformat other pages in Category:Golden Raspberry Awards by category (with subsection breaks by decade)

Cirt (talk)

Apriso

Hi Cirt,

I went to create a Wiki page for a company called "Apriso" and saw that the previous page had been deleted and - from the sounds of it - included marketing language and not enough references to establish notability back in February or so.

I don't know exactly what the previous article looked like - I'm sure there must be a way to look at the previous versions, but I did want to invite you to take a look at the draft I have on my talk page and add any input or discussion.

King4057 (talk) 23:59, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

This version also seems quite promotional and POV in nature, not to mention poorly sourced to mostly primary sources, and sources that markedly fail WP:RS, including "Waepedia", etc. -- Cirt (talk) 03:12, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Yah fair enough - need to find better references than Wapedia. They had such a great treasure trove of information, but I don't really know where they got it from.

Can you elaborate where it is promotional or PoV? I certainly don't have a point-of-view on the company, so I don't know what point of view I've unknowingly incorporated into the article.

King4057 (talk) 18:19, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Just found lots of sources in manufacturing publications, but still digging for something more biographical about their history for that section... King4057 (talk) 18:56, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Keep me updated on the improvements. -- Cirt (talk) 15:24, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Cirt I found lots of references on Apriso's history just through a Google search for "Apriso and Teledyne", including press releases, bios, articles, and a couple official government documents related to the US Navy project. Much of the information on Waepedia - I suspect - was blatantly inaccurate. I could find no verification of all these "world firsts" it was boasting as I sorted through detailed timelines of IBM's OS/2 for example. Who would just make stuff up and post it on the internet? That same Waepedia content is in a bunch of other places too, but Teledyne didn't found the company because of military cutbacks, it was because they were being pushed into the software market and they didn't want to do software. Waepedia was very inaccurate. Anyways, the article is better sourced now and cut down as to not include any information that could not be verified by a more reliable source.

King4057 (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but still seems promotional and includes over reliance on primary sources and conflict of interest sources. -- Cirt (talk) 21:47, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

discussion about deletion of article

Hi there,

This article http://en.wikipedia.org/Paula_O%27Rourke was deleted on grounds of lack of notability of the artist. Reading up on how to go about proposing to restore the article, it says that I should "take it up with the deleting admin". Is that you?

Pabandorra (talk) 11:55, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it was deleted after this discussion, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Paula O'Rourke. If you like, I would be most happy to provide a version of that page prior to deletion within a subpage of your userspace, so you could work on it as a proposed draft version. -- Cirt (talk) 15:32, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

That would be lovely, thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pabandorra (talk • contribs) 00:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Pabandorra/Paula O'Rourke. -- Cirt (talk) 11:16, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Cirt, thanks for setting that up. Now for a newbie question, and please do take it as a question rather than part of a discussion: The article was deleted on grounds of lack of notability. I am now quite au fait with the notability question regarding musicians et al, and I can see that the article made little or no attempt to put forward any notability, no real references included, also dryly written with no pics or goodness in general. However, if one can imagine a more engageing article setting the artist in her niche which is quite an interesting one (for some!), I would think that being part of the band for Eric Burden and the Animals(House of the Rising Sun?), writing and recording with George Clinton (the king of outlandish funk, and not mentioned in old article), founding member of Liar (recognized by wiki) and constant collaborator of Eric Mcfadden (also recognized by wiki) should be considered as grounds for notabilty. Again, I am not posing this point as part of a discussion, this is not the place, but could you give me an educated opinion on this point as it pertains to the deletion? It seems to me it was deleted as part of a clean-up, and drab and undocumented as the article was I am not surprised, but Eric Burden and the animals are grade-A notable, surely? ...as is George Clinton. I'm just worried I won't be able to find enough references from the press. I would need to spam all music mags in the SF Bay Area, AND Barcelona, AND Paris to find articles over the last 15 years, for that is where she made her mark ... and that isn't going to be a reasonable undertaking. I have found a clear article in "El Pais" a big spanish paper, but one is not enough. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pabandorra (talk • contribs) 16:43, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I must remember to sign my posts Pabandorra (talk) 21:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry but I rechecked at User:Pabandorra/Paula O'Rourke. I see zero attempts there to improve or work on that page. -- Cirt (talk) 21:48, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, no, I haven't touched the article. I supppose I am asking if a reference from El Pais and the people she played with are enough to get her in. What do you think. Does a wiki article require _much_more? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pabandorra (talk • contribs) 22:55, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

AfD

I have found sources relevant to Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Catherine McQueen and ask you to revisit your !vote/nom. Thanks, Bigger digger (talk) 16:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

If you could format the sources using WP:CIT templates and fill in the relevant fields, that would make it much easier to analyze. -- Cirt (talk) 17:01, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

You're going to have to look at the source anyway, so I don't see the point. If consensus shows the article is on a notable subject I will happily do the work to improve it. Bigger digger (talk) 17:06, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

It would be most helpful to do as I suggested, above, and it would most likely facilitate ease of analysis of the references by other users, as well. -- Cirt (talk) 17:07, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Fully cited refs now available at Catherine McQueen! Cheers, Bigger digger (talk) 02:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks much better. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Slim da Mobster userfy

Hey Cirt could you userfy for me the Slim da Mobster article that was deleted? I have found more info on him and plan to make it better and will not introduce it into article space until ready. STATic message me! 03:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

This has since been  Done. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 13:17, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank You...

...for your welcome to Misplaced Pages. What a fascinating & amazing place in which to suddenly blunder behind the scenes. Looking through the many guidelines articles and being privileged to look through your talk page has been wonderfully daunting & informative, I'm very grateful. Yours, Will6iam (talk) 08:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Enjoy. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 13:18, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

GA Chandra Levy

I have incorporated the coverage from today's Washington Post into the article. I think it is ready for you to complete your GA review. Many thanks. Racepacket (talk) 14:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

• I know you are very busy, but with the holiday behind us, can please turn to Chandra Levy? Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 21:39, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I have looked over the article a bit recently. :) I note the additions. ;) I will do a more thorough read through it all soon. -- Cirt (talk) 13:19, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

We now have impact and memorial sections. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 10:21, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

There has been very superficial press coverage of the memorial service. There are no memorial funds that I can find. I have made the changes that you requested. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 02:32, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Your Advice Sought

Hi, Cirt,

I see you have posted at a current RFC that involves me. By viewing your talk page here and following some of the links, I am reminded that you are quite an experienced editor and administrator and concerned about proper sourcing of articles. It also appears that you have considerable experience in working on topics that have been highly contentious in various online communities over the years. Thus I'd be glad to hear from you, in as much detail as your busy schedule allows you to provide, how better to work with multiple editors on topics for which I have been gathering sources, some of which relate to articles that were the subject of an Arbitration Committee case that began soon after I registered my Misplaced Pages account. I've worked in brick-and-mortar editorial offices in two different countries, and I've been online since 1992, but Misplaced Pages is my first experience (and most people's first experience) of working in an online editorial office with many, many editors and no sole editor-in-chief, so I'd appreciate your advice on how to become further acculturated to work pattern of the Misplaced Pages project. Thanks for your help and all the best to you. -- WeijiBaikeBianji (talk, how I edit) 15:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I would suggest involving more users through talk page WP:RFC and posting neutrally matter of fact worded messages to talk pages of relevant WikiProjects. -- Cirt (talk) 13:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Portland Center Stage

I edited the original image to remove "the cigarette smoking man", and reverted back the image in the article. – ukexpat (talk) 18:59, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 13:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for The Truth According to Misplaced Pages

On 24 November 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Truth According to Misplaced Pages, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Film Quarterly called the documentary The Truth According to Misplaced Pages "a sharp and wide-ranging overview of wiki-pistemology"? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 06:03, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! ;) -- Cirt (talk) 13:20, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

FAR

Hi Cirt - Could you please revisit your comments at the The Notorious B.I.G. FAR (review page at Misplaced Pages:Featured article review/The Notorious B.I.G./archive1)? Gimme has responded to the comments that have been left so far, and so any further comments or a keep/oppose declaration would be appreciated. Thanks, Dana boomer (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done. -- Cirt (talk) 13:22, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

WP:AE case about Communist terrorism

Please see Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive73#Result concerning Collect. This request was archived by the bot before formal closing. I went ahead and imposed an article 1RR at Communist terrorism, and added a comment to the archive file. If the 1RR is not enough to hold down the edit warring, perhaps an indefinite full protection might be considered. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 22:18, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Hrm, looks like it was changed to a disambig page, with no disruption for two days or so. -- Cirt (talk) 13:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Battlefield Earth (film)

The ==Cast== section should be kept in. There is no reason to hunt for actors or characters in the story line, when this section is available and a standard film format.

Savolya (talk) 22:19, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Please, engage in discussion, at the article's talk page. -- Cirt (talk) 13:23, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Peralta

Hi Cirt, I got a Thanksgiving email from José Peralta today even though we don't celebrate that at all :) It's because of our attempts to get a pic I guess, so you got one too, no? In any case, happy Thanksgiving! Hekerui (talk) 23:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Hrm, not here, nope. :( -- Cirt (talk) 13:24, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Thankskilling Article Recreated, Very Poorly

Hi,

I'm not sure why this did not get speedily deleted right off the bat, but someone has put up a new article for Thankskilling. It is not even a stub, and it should exist only in a sandbox. How do we kill it again? Thanks, Ebikeguy (talk) 15:42, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Looks like this was already  Done. -- Cirt (talk) 13:24, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Deleted Randy Cooke Article

Hi Cirt,

If you could make a draft version available, that would be great. Also, to assist me in writing the new version, is there any way for me to view the content of the deleted Randy Cooke article?

Thanks for your help, and I apologize for the delay in response.

Katieohalloran89 (talk) 06:58, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Katieohalloran89/Randy Cooke. Cheers, -- Cirt (talk) 13:25, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Mark B. Newbauer deletion

Hi Cirt- I want to be in line with Misplaced Pages standards and practices, but believe the deletion was without merit-- I ask that you please re-consider as, aside from press releases, the company and its founder can be verified in other highly regarded press such as 'UGO','Hollywood Reporter', 'Variety' and even supported by George R.R. Martin (author of HBO's upcoming Game of Thrones) as Newbauer's company, Mike the Pike Productions recently optioned the rights to his werewolf novella. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmphile (talk • contribs) 22:31, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

I would be most willing to provide a copy within a subpage of your userspace, so you could work on it as a proposed draft version - if you so desire. -- Cirt (talk) 13:26, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

That would be great- please and thank you-- and being new to this, can you PLEASE assist me in providing anything necessary to effect meeting acceptable standards to keeping the page active? thank you. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Filmphile (talk • contribs) 23:22, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Filmphile/Mark B. Newbauer. -- Cirt (talk) 20:58, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Bacon topic idea, List of books

• List of books about bacon

-- Cirt (talk) 14:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

2010 Arbitration Committee Elections

Arbitration Committee Elections

Relevant pages:

1. Candidates pages, descriptions, questions posed to candidates
2. Voting - Special page for voting in the 2010 election
3. Log of those that voted so far
4. Main page about schedule of elections

-- Cirt (talk) 15:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

inre Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Havana Heat (film)

Could you please userfy the article to me at User:MichaelQSchmidt/workspace/Havana Heat (film) so I might expand and source it in preparation for incubation? Thanks much. Schmidt, 03:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:MichaelQSchmidt/workspace/Havana Heat (film). -- Cirt (talk) 05:48, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/SPSL Cup

Cirt, you closed Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/SPSL Cup, but you didn't deleted the other article and the template that were also nominated. As the nominator, I can't do it myself. Fram (talk) 08:21, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done. -- Cirt (talk) 20:57, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome

Cirt, I appreciate the welcome and the links to the information. I've actually been here for a long time, I just don't contribute much due to lack of time and really, not knowing more about how to go about making larger contributions. I think what you sent me was just what I needed. Exixx (talk) 04:23, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. ;) -- Cirt (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Don't Forget the Bacon!/GA1

I am willing to take over the review, if you don't object. Racepacket (talk) 03:01, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

• With your permission, I am willing to pass the article as I discussed on the review page. If there is something else going on that I should know, feel free to email me. I have read the pages relevant to the switch in reviewers. Thanks, Racepacket (talk) 05:33, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Victoria Vox

Hi Cirt. Would you be willing to move this article to my userspace? I think I would be able to add enough additional sources to bring it up to notability standards. Thanks, Paul Erik 03:33, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Paul Erik/Victoria Vox. -- Cirt (talk) 16:52, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Literary and Debating Society (NUI, Galway)

Hi Cirt. As with wiki guidelines, I wish to contact you re: the creation of a wikipedia page for the Literary and Debating Society in NUI, Galway. I am contacting you as much of the information I would like to add would be very similar if not the same as that in the article deleted. I would be more than willing to remove such parts as the list of past auditors and vice auditors (as was mentioned on the deletion article) and replacing it with a list of previous notable auditors. The reason I wish to create another article on the Literary and Debating society is that I do not believe it's just a student club at a single school. It is a society that predates the university and many other societies of similar notability such as the ] and the UCC Philosophical Society. It has not only played a vital part in the shaping of NUI, Galway it is the origin of important bodies within the university such as the Students' Union. It is a society that was also under the auditorship of several notable persons and contributed much to the city around it. Any advise you can give me would be much appreciated. Many thanks. Mitsuko045 (talk) 06:14, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Strongly recommend you work on such a page first, in a subpage of your userspace, as a proposed draft version. -- Cirt (talk) 16:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Bacon Mania

Has the bacon mania page also been removed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.47.121.35 (talk) 18:02, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

See Bacon mania. -- Cirt (talk) 18:05, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Grenfell College Student Union

Hi Cirt, I was wondering if you had userifed a copy of the deleted Grenfell College Student Union page for me, as per our earlier discussion. This earlier discussion was moved into the archive without any notice if this had been done. If so or not, just let me know.

All the best, Brad Evoy (talk) 23:55, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

 Done, now at User:Brad Evoy/Grenfell College Student Union. -- Cirt (talk) 19:38, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Your input would be helpful here.

There’s a discussion at AE here about whether to extend topic bans from the race and intelligence arbitration case to include discussions related to these articles at other fora. The current proposal calls for this extension to be made for other topic banned editors, but not for Mathsci. I’ve just noticed Mathsci sniping at you in an unrelated discussion because he disagrees with the opinions you’ve expressed in an RFC related to these articles: Do you have an opinion about whether if topic bans from this case are extended to discussions in other fora, an exception ought to be made in Mathsci’s case so that he can continue bringing up issues related to these articles in other discussions?

If you do, I think it would be helpful for you to comment there. I don’t think any of the admins participating in that discussion have noticed these two newest comments from Mathsci yet, but they’re an example of why I think if this restriction is going to be added to topic bans from the case, Mathsci shouldn’t be excluded from the restriction. --Captain Occam (talk) 19:24, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

You should make these comments at AE. -- Cirt (talk) 19:25, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

The AE thread is so long at this point that if I comment there again, I suspect that other people aren’t going to notice it. By this point the only active discussion there is among uninvolved admins, which (I assume) is what you are. --Captain Occam (talk) 19:35, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Well, the fact that you asked me at my user talk page, to comment there, sort of precludes that. -- Cirt (talk) 19:37, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Do you think that makes you involved? All of the other uninvolved admins commenting there are admins who were contacted by one of the other editors who would be subject to this decision, although in Mathsci’s case he’s referred to contacting them by e-mail rather than in their user talk. It might end up skewing the decision resulting from this thread if the only admins commenting are those who Mathsci has privately been in contact with. --Captain Occam (talk) 19:51, 1 December 2010 (UTC)