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Hi, GiovBag. I'm aware that Metapedia fails to accomplish historical accuracy in some critical topics, and I don't endorse the ideology of Metapedia completely. When I entered the community, I asked several administrators if it was alright to publish there articles on the White communities of the world -clarifying that I was not racist in any way, and that I applied the US Census Bureau criteria to define White people, and that included Ashkenazi Jews and Syrian-Lebanese Arabs- and my proposal was not only accepted but welcomed. So far, no one in that community has made any objection to all the articles I added. They also have an article with a list of notable Jews, and no pejorative comments on them are made in it. All I want to tell you is that so far Metapedia have shown more tolerance and open mind than many others in this WP.--Pablozeta (talk) 22:24, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, I read those articles of Metapedia, and I don't agree with their conclusions. I am not a Holocaust-denier, and I am definitely not an Anti-Semitist; I admire Jews for their ability and courage to survive four wars surrounded by enemies, only to cite an example. But I also believe that every story has two sides, and they have the right to tell theirs; I'm not saying that I believe them, but maybe some little part of their story might be true. Here in Argentina there's a song that reads: "If History is written by winners, that means that there's another story; the true story. Here it is for whoever wants to hear it."

I don't care what you prefer to think about me; maybe I am naive or maybe I'm not. Or maybe Metapedia is the only site so far that has respected my work, and not simply criticized it mercilessly. I worked very hard trying to referenciate every statement, data or figure of White Argentine, and keeping it neutral; and those three hungry wolves appeared and began to disect it in thin slices based on technicalities. Concerning my non-support on racist hatred, I just cite myself here: Razas del Mundo The site is still in formation, for I found new sources, and I am still collecting and processing the data, but in the third paragraph you'll read my thinking on the matter. I see English is not your mother tongue, so maybe you understand Spanish; if you don't, tell me and I'll translate it for you.--Pablozeta (talk) 03:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

November 2010

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Anon IP deletions

I don't know if it is you that is making large deletions to the White Argentine article using an anon account, and I hope it isn't, as doing this now you've got a registered Misplaced Pages account is against rules. Can I ask that if it is, you stop, as this is likely to result in the article getting protected without the revisions being carried out in the manner discussed in Talk.

I'd just made a note on the talk page indicating I was going to delete the section, but these actions will make this difficult, as the 'Cluebots' (automated anti-vandal software) are now likely to watch more closely, and may end up reverting my edits too.

If it isn't you doing this, I apologise for suggesting that it might be, but I thought perhaps you might not be aware of the rules and complications involved. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Further to this, I've now made all the revisions. It will be necessary to keep an eye on this, and for us to try to avoid edit-warring with anyone trying to reinstate the deleted material: I think we've basically won here, as the material was so clearly in breach of policy.

I think the rest of the article needs more work, and we will have to think about renaming it too - this will probably be less difficult now we've got somewhere with the article itself. Any ideas for a name? AndyTheGrump (talk) 18:31, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I've just seen the post you made on my talk page regarding IP edits. Thanks for clearing this up. To explain a bit further, if you edit in the same article using an IP and your user account, it can be mistaken for sockpuppetry, even if it isn't intended. IP postings tend to be treated with suspicion by the 'bots', so if you want to do anything dramatic, it is usually better to use your account anyway. Thinking about it, what I wrote earlier isn't strictly true, and nobody is likely to raise concerns about IPs being used in unconnected articles for non-controversial reasons, so it isn't totally 'against the rules' in all cases - just better to play safe if it might look suspicious.

I think we've basically sorted the article out now, at least in terms of removing the obviously dubious material. I'm unsure whether a merge with another article is the way to go, rather than moving for deletion - probably the merge will be the way to proceed, though this will require more work. The only other possible problem will be if Pablozeta's 'book' turns up. As I've said on the article talk page, I don't think it has any chance of being recognised as a reliable source, but it may make things awkward for a day or two. The important thing is that we keep our cool, and don't get involved in edit-warring and personal attacks, as tempting as this may sometimes be. I think I'm getting a bit more familiar with the best way to sort these issues out via the 'rules', and hopefully come the next 'battle', I'll be better prepared. AndyTheGrump (talk) 00:11, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Umbria

Hi GiovBag, I'm glad my rather peremptory reversion didn't put you off. I was about to expand the lede para, to give a broad sweep of the article content. But I see you're well under way in doing the same, so I'll just wish you the best and slink away to my usual obscurity. Regards, Haploidavey (talk) 23:42, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

'Proselytizing' by Pablozeta

I think that Pablozeta has just shot himself in the foot with his posting on 'WikiProject Ethnic groups'. I've added a short comment that anyone interested needs to look at the talk page and article history, though frankly I doubt Pablozeta would convince anyone with his suggestion that because 'he knows' that 'white Argentine' is an ethnic group, he doesn't need sources. I think the best course for us will be to just sit back, and see what response he gets. He is highly unlikely to get a positive response, and may well have attracted a few allies to our cause. Just keep cool and wait... AndyTheGrump (talk) 13:55, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Deleting talk pages

I notice you've reverted PZ's talk page, after he deleted things. He is perfectly entitled to do this: it is all in the history anyway. I'd leave it well alone. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:23, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

'White Argentine' at AN/I

Pablozeta has now posted a comment at AN/I (here), though he doesn't seem to have got very far. I'll keep an eye on it, but I don't think it needs further intervention at this stage.

Alive and kicking

Hey, Italian. I just want to tell you that I'm not dead, but collecting data and sources. Once I have enough, I'll rebuild the article again. Ah, by the way, I DON'T WISH YOU A GOOD YEAR. I don't wish you a bad year either, but I don't wish you anything good; you simply don't deserve any good wish.--Pablozeta (talk) 01:03, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I see you've declared war on all the articles about White people. I don't worry because I have them all saved up as they were before your debut as vandal. If you were an African-American or so, I would understand your actions, but being yourself a White European makes your attitude towards the Whites living in the Americas more and more un-understandable. My non-good wishes to you are still the same.--Pablozeta (talk) 12:20, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

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