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What is the source of these figures? Tagishsimon

Source

The source for most of these stats is CIA Fact Book. That's where I got this data initially.

http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/

Later, the rest of the stats were filled from

http://www.adherents.com/Na/Na_321.html#2058 OneGuy 19:34, 13 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Japan

• Just out of curiosity, where did the Japanese percentage come from? 760,000+ Muslims in Japan look like a pretty huge number. PMLF 19:53, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

All the math work was done from the percentage used by the program I wrote (the table was also generated by the program). I used 0.6% using

http://www.adherents.com/adhloc/Wh_164.html

The percentage on that page for Japan was from 0.2% to 1%. However, the 1% is from a very unreliable source (in most cases I ignored that source). I don't remember why I used it in this case. In any case, I can change it to 0.2% which will make the total 254,666 which seems more correct OneGuy 23:34, 31 Dec 2004 (UTC)

• • Thanks for answering so fast. I was just curious because that original number sounded too big for a country with no historical Islamic minority and where conversions to foreign religions (like Christianity and Islam) traditionally isn't very common. Although I think even 254,666 is probably too much but since this is the most reliable source available it's OK to keep it until a better source (if there is one)is found. PMLF 04:41, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Immigration not a conversion might be a factor. I know a few Muslims on the internet who claim to be from Japan. Most of them are immigrants from Pakistan, India or Middle East OneGuy 05:26, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

• • • According to the page Religions of Japan, there is only a few Muslims in Japan:
    • "Islam has been slowly growing as people comes to contact with it through people from Islamic nations or by learning about it through various ways. It is a very small group probably not even in the thousands and have a limited or no social influence yet and unlikely to in the foreseeable future. While believers may be frowned upon at first, generally, their need to pray and observe certain teachings are not hampered and unlikely to turn into a problem."
    • I don't know what was their source though and unfortunately is too hard to find information about this subject. So, as I said earlier, I am not against keeping the 0.2 % that is already in the page. PMLF 22:22, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

That cannot be right. A number of Japanese Islamic sites indicate that there are many more than just a few thousand.

Islamic Center - Japan http://islamcenter.or.jp/

isuramu.net http://www.isuramu.net/index.html

Islam website in Japan http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~racket/e_index.htm

Tokyo Mosque http://islam3.hp.infoseek.co.jp/benri/masjidtk.htm

Nagoya Mosque http://islam3.hp.infoseek.co.jp/benri/nagoya.htm

OneGuy 04:40, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

And this page has links to dozens of more Japenese Islamic sites

http://www2s.biglobe.ne.jp/~racket/islamlink.htm

And by pictures of Tokyo Mosque , it looks to be pretty big mosque. OneGuy 04:46, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, all these mosques suggest a population reasonable high of muslims. Maybe at least 50 000 or more. PMLF 04:25, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Brazil

By the way, PMLF, can you post the source for 0.03% Muslims in Brazil? I was unable to find the 2000 census result on the internet. OneGuy 18:44, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Here (Islamica = Islamic): http://www.ibge.gov.br/home/estatistica/populacao/censo2000/primeiros_resultados_amostra/brasil/pdf/tabela_1_1_2.pdf

The information is from IBGE which is the Brazilian Institute of Statistic. They are the ones that make the census in Brazil.

But they actually say only 27 239 (although I read in some newspaper that it was 56 000). So, maybe you'd better change the informnation to 27 239 instead of 56 000. I'll change my Islam in Brazil page accordingly as I mixed the Census info with the newspaper one.

Hope that helps. There are also information about the amount of Christians: 153 milion out of 170 Million people. And 12 million religionless people. 86,000 Jews, etc.... Feel free to ask qquestions about the file as it is all in Portuguese.

PMLF 04:22, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. According to that site, the total poulation in 2000 was 169,872,856. That makes percentage to 0.016%. I was using 0.1 since I couldn't find the source for 0.03. I will change it to 0.016. I also did Catholicism by country. The percentage I used for Catholics in Brazil was 79.97%. But according to this site, it's little lower, 73.57. OneGuy 06:30, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

73,57% is closer to the census info. According to IBGE there were 125 million Catholics out of 170 Million people in Brazil in 2000. PMLF 17:36, 7 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Christianity

For or a comparison see User:OneGuy/Christianity by country OneGuy 20:12, 4 Jan 2005 (UTC)

changed percentages

I changed many of the percentages to US State Department's International Religious Freedom Report 2004 .

These reports are more up to date than both CIA factbook and adherents.com. I also found them more accurate. If anyone finds an error (in most cases a typo with percentage), let me know OneGuy 04:09, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Any explanation for the large (75%) change in the Serbia and Montenegro? Does the new list exclude Kosovo? - SimonP 04:30, Jan 10, 2005 (UTC)

75%? It's 5% and was taken from http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35482.htm

The Muslim faith is the second largest in Serbia and Montenegro, with approximately 5 percent of the population, including Slavic Muslims in the Sandzak, and ethnic Albanians in Montenegro and southern Serbia.

OneGuy 04:51, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Oh, I see you meant change. No explanation. I just went with the numbers of State Department in this case. That is more authoritative source than adherents.com. I am not sure if they excluded Kosovo (which is unlikely) OneGuy 04:55, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

If 19% came from CIA Factbook, I will take State Department's statistics over CIA factbook. I have found many errors in CIA factbook. For example, CIA factbook has 10% Muslims in Swaziland. However, this was contradicted by every other source. I checked State Department on Swaziland and they have...

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35385.htm

The population is approximately 40 percent Zionist, 20 percent Roman Catholic, and 1 percent Islamic.

In my view, these State Department's International Religious Freedom reports are far more accurate than CIA factbook OneGuy 05:30, 10 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Serbia and Montenegro

That was bad :) The above link I gave clearly says that Kosovo was excluded and the rest of the population is 5% Muslim OneGuy 06:59, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Actually according to State Department, (including Kosovo), it's 21%

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/irf/2004/35482.htm

According to Montenegro's 2003 census, almost 70 percent of its population is Orthodox, 21 percent is Muslim, and 4 percent is Catholic. OneGuy 21:03, 15 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Puerto Rico

Puerto Rico is not an independent country, and therefore shouldn't be given special treatment. Maybe I can make some of the accompanying text small. So it doesn't screw up the tables. WhisperToMe 05:44, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Puerto Rico is not part of the USA either so I think they should have their own entry in the article, just like they used to do. PMLF 13:24, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Puetro Rico is part of the USA, and maintains a semi-sovereign status. —thames 23:47, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Map

The map on this page fails to show France, Guyana, and Suriname all of which have a Muslim population of over 10% and is confirmed.

The German page on islam has a great map of Islam by country which we should steal and put here. —thames 23:41, 28 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Here is a great map showing Islam by country—specifically the state of Islam in the country's constitution: whether it is an islamic state, islam is the official religion, religion is not mentioned, or the state is officially secular. Very interesting, and data which we should represent here, or at least copy on a map of our own. —thames 15:41, 17 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Brazil-2

About Anon Editor's revert. If there is controversy give a source for the 1-1.5 million because that is a huge difference from 27,000. So, give a reliable source for alternative population counts. Using "unofficial estimates" is far too vague, so, just cite it. gren グレン 03:01, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Agreed. Also, there is controversy in every country not only in Brazil. So, if it`s to add this supposed to exist Brazilian controversy, then other similar controversies should be added as well. I doubt, for instance, that there are so many Muslims in Argentina as Muslim immigration to Argentina was negligible. PMLF 03:05, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I think that should be given a source to the claim that the Muslim population in Brazil range from 1 million to 1.5 million. Also, what "unofficial estimates" are these? These sources need to be identified. Otherwise, this entry should be deleted, as per Misplaced Pages:Cite sources. Regards, Carioca 05:03, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay guys, no need to rush. Here is the one from the Islam in Brazil page: . Here are two more I found which cite Muslim community leader estimates , .Thanks. --a.n.o.n.y.m 19:13, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

I still don`t think this controversy should be in the article. Just let it herei n the discussions. This Muslim estimatives look like just wild guesses (which they probably are as according to one of the sites there are only 55 mosques in Brazil, none in Rio, by the way). These sources are simply not reliable since they made no kind of unofficial census. Also, anyone that wants to know the Muslim estimatives on this issue can read the Islam in Brazil article which mentions it. PMLF 19:47, 3 October 2005 (UTC)