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There is no assertion of his notability, nor any references to his biography.

The text appear to have very strong anti-Ukrainian bias abakharev 07:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, feel free to de-bias it. What is disputed as far as neutrality is concerned ? --_Lysy 08:24, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

• UA nationalism exists, but what is "integral nationalism? esp. linking to ${\displaystyle \int _{a}^{b}f(x)\,dx}$.
• "terror which was unfortunately successively implemented", can't agree more with "unfortunately", but it doesn't belong to the article. Someone corrected "butchery" already.
• "His scientific interests include politology, like those of Zbigniew Brzezinski." What does that supposed to mean? Why not Albert Speer? Is he close to Brzezinski? this is O.R.
• "ethnic cleansing in Volyn" is not established as a term for these tragic events even within WP.

I already cited half the article. He may be a notable guy, a good scientist even. But the article doesn't show it. --Irpen 08:38, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

All issues addressed now, I think. --_Lysy 09:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks that is much better. I have removed POV tag, but some Ukrainians, especially OUN-supporters may feel differently. It would help to have some references to his bio becides http://www.polonialife.ca/kto_poliszczuk.htm. My Polish-laguage skills are almost zero, but am I right that the source above acknowleges only that he is a technical editor of some journal, and there is no references to him as an Assistant-Professor in Canada (in which University, anyway)? BTW can we use in wiki his photo from the publication? abakharev 10:51, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I think we'll need a better reference than http://www.polonialife.ca/kto_poliszczuk.htm . I don't know where the "assistant-professor" came from. Anyway, he is a published author and is notable as such. This bio is obviously not perfect. It'll be good to keep an eye on it and improve it when more information is available. Personally, I have mixed feeling about his books, but I don't think this does matter. --_Lysy 11:52, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Agree abakharev 12:58, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi folks! , Hope you feels better than you reads :

non-scientific group

W.Poliszczuk holds a special place among the non-scientists. As a Ukrainian politologist who deals, so to speak, "scientifically" with the problem of Ukrainian nationalism, he is sometimes seen as a credible person. To the Polish reader, he tries to play the role of the "good Ukrainian"; good, because he condemns Ukrainian nationalism. W.Poliszczuk claims that the OUN-UPA was scarcely supported by Ukrainian civilians, and that its dense web was built only because of the terror they used against the Ukrainians. He persistently disregards strongly emphasized elements of independence fights in the program of Ukrainian nationalists. In his opinion, the source of all evil in Polish-Ukrainian relations is "Ukrainian nationalism, which should not be confused with the Ukrainian independence movement... For tactical reasons Ukrainian nationalism has identified its ideology with Ukrainian patriotism from the very beginning of its existence, thus misleading not only ordinary Ukrainians, but also scientists, politicians, and many Polish and western historians. Frankly speaking, Ukrainian nationalism, being a developed and intensified form of fascism-Nazism, was antagonistic to Ukrainian patriotism."

W. Poliszczuk, like representatives of the non-scientific group of Polish nationality, gives full support to Vistula action. He also deliberately overlooks attempts to reach agreements and also presents exaggerated numbers of UPA casualties among Poles (125,000) and Ukrainians (40,000)

In other place of the article is written: The third, para-scientific trend consists of works that are of no scientific value. Their authors play freely with historical facts. They appeal mostly to the reader's emotions. Their use of sources and researchers' findings does not contribute to historical discoveries. Instead it is used to make their "true" version of events credible. It is often only politically involved publicism, not historical work. Edward Prus, Aleksander Korman, and Jacek E. Wilczur are followers of this trend. Rafal Wnuk Recent Polish Historiography on Polish-Ukrainian Relations during World War II and its Aftermath

Пізніше головним “фахівцем” з антиукраїнської істерії став Віктор Поліщук. Головна його теза, що українцям перед війною, до 1939 р., у Польщі жилося добре, а етнічні чистки на Волині і, меншою мірою, в Галичині були викликані рішенням ОУН і УПА реалізувати ідеї інтеґрального націоналізму, сформульовані Дмитром Донцовим. Ярослав ІСАЄВИЧ, академік Національної академії наук України, директор Інституту українознавства

праці таких авторів, як Едвард Прус, Віктор Поліщук чи інші, з огляду на тиражі, нетрадиційні (наприклад, за допомогою кіосків у костелах) способи розповсюджування, а також пропагандивне представлення подій, краще промовляють до уяви статистичного громадянина ІІІ Речі Посполитої. На цих авторів посилається частина депутатів Сейму, також деякі держані службовці, їх рекомендується (як це мало місце у 1996 р. в Перемишлі) школам. --Yakudza 16:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I believe that Edward Prus and Poliszczuk are not to be mixed together. Note that the paper of Wnuk that you quoted above did not mention Poliszczuk in this context (well, maybe because he is not Polish, simply). Certainly both have controversial opinions and neither of them can be considered "mainstream". Both their views and the methodology of their research seem quite different, however. I have my personal opinion on both authors, but the bio article is not the place for discussing this, I'm afraid. It might be appropriate (or may be not) to quote the opinions of other historians, unless these are isolated views of course. --_Lysy 22:21, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

trolling

Hey Yakudza ! Are you member of non-scientific group ? :))) Perhaps you have access to same Polish, English, Russion, Jewish, German, Czech ... newspapers from the end of the war and can find further sources for this information about the Galicia and Malopolska Wschodnia killings, massacres of Polish, Russion, Czech by ukrainian bands occurred in many towns after the end of the war !!!!!!!!. FUCK OF NAZI ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.96.248.99 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Please don't delete the above until the user gets blocked. Then, I will delete it myself. --Irpen 22:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I have blocked the IP for 24 hours (first time to use my mop and bucket actually), if he will continue, the IP will be blocked for longer time abakharev 23:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I think 24h is not enough. The past block of this anon was for 1 week and the s/he didn't learn anything. --Irpen 23:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)