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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your messages on discussion pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically insert your username and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or ask your question on this page and then place {{helpme}} before the question. Again, welcome! Nunquam Dormio (talk) 22:30, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind welcome. Best wishes to you, JoeSperrazza (talk) 17:22, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Sunstone link

Dear JoeSperazza. Thanks for the link added to the sunstone article. I checked it and although it has many good things, the reference to Hrafns saga is not correct. The description how the sunstone was used is actually in Rauðúlfs þáttr, not Hrafns saga Sveinbjarnarsonar. So I would propose the link should be removed from the main text and added at the bottom as an external link. ArniEin (talk) 14:15, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

OK, thanks, I'll do that! JoeSperrazza (talk) 14:18, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sunstone (medieval)

Thanks for all the work you've done on this one and on Vegvísir, and sorry about obliterating one of your edits on the former - you're correct, it was an edit conflict. My browser crashed mid-edit and I was so glad the edit window came back with my changes, I didn't think to check whether anyone else had been working on the text.Yngvadottir (talk) 05:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

No worries regarding the edit conflict, and thank you for participating in the proposal for deletion discussion, and mentioning Vegvísir. This process illustrates some of the things I love about Misplaced Pages!

• I just happened to be looking at Newly created pages (trying my hand at Vandalism patrol) and noticed Vegvísir being created quickly, and just as quickly being recommended for a speedy deletion.
• Reading the article didn't show a good reason for a speedy delete.
• Before I could do anything about that template, another editor removed it, leading the proposer to then create a proposal for deletion.
• In the course of that proposal being reviewed and commented on, other editors joined the discussion.
• The net result was four good things:

1. A new editor, quickly mentored in the details of Wiki article writing, and (I hope) encouraged to contribute more
2. A good new article was published
3. A 2nd article improved
4. I learned some interesting things! I lived in Iceland for a year, travelled quite a bit (I even drove all the way around the ring road, clockwise, all in one long day-light filled day, on June 21st of the year I was there!), and read several of the Sagas, but didn't know anything about Vegvísir or Sunstones.

Þakka þér JoeSperrazza (talk) 15:33, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for tiger balm

Hey, I'm workin on it. I was trying to revert as you did. Give me a minute please, unless you can fix it yourself. Try not to be so gung-ho about 'helping'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 156.26.17.11 (talk) 19:23, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

What is it you're trying to fix? It was not obvious (for example, you provided no edit summary), or I would have gladly corrected the change.

Please remember to:

• Put new posts at the bottom of talk pages
• Sign your posts
• Provide edit summaries
• Assume good faith (had you provided an edit summary, it is likely someone, or myself, would have corrected it for you rather than reverting).

Cheers, JoeSperrazza (talk) 19:33, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Before you edited this page, i posted again (on the bottom of your page) listing the problem. It is also now on the Tiger Balm discussion page, as I do not know how to properly fix it. 156.26.17.11 (talk) 19:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I tried adding that brace in the sandbox, but it didn't appear as though it would work. Oh well, it's fixed so that's good for me! 156.26.17.11 (talk) 19:44, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

(Edit Conflict) See Talk:Tiger_Balm#Composition. Fixed. The timing of your talk page entry on the article came after my comment - apologies if I missed it otherwise. As for your comment added to the bottom of this page, I'm afraid an edit conflict interfered. All's well that ends, well, however. P.S. Please indent your comments using ":". Cheers, JoeSperrazza (talk) 19:46, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Archived discussion

Thanks for the updates. I hope you will alert me to everywhere that links back to User:Reisio in the future as well, very handy! :D Goodness knows I can't find those pages myself. ¦ Reisio (talk) 20:08, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. See Special:Contributions/Reisio if you are having the trouble you mention. Regarding the WP:SPI, I noticed you hadn't been notified, so I did so. I didn't make the report, and don't have a strong opinion on the issue. A very brief glance at the edit histories suggests that the reporting user may be mistaken. As for the Warning header on your talk page, see Misplaced Pages:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace#Layout for its use, and use of warning templates such as I placed on your talk page earlier. Cheers, JoeSperrazza (talk) 20:14, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Like I said I appreciate it; I hope you'll continue to inform me of such things gratis for the foreseeable future. As for the Warning header, that page doesn't appear to be policy, so I don't really care what it says (and even if it were policy, there'd probably be other policy contradicting it), but it is admirable that you were following some convention, I suppose. :) Mostly I'm not interested in your warning because it's unjustified. If you look at the preceding discussion on my talk page, you can see that User:EncMstr reverted me for approximately the same reason you did. He asked me to give a summary, so I did (one he's personally used before). If you didn't think my edit was a "cleanup", I'd hope you would explain why. ¦ Reisio (talk) 20:22, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Regarding the removal of the tag, if the article has not been substantially improved in terms of the issue (references), than removal of the tag is not cleanup. As I noted on the article's talk page, I don't see that the article has been improved in terms of references, hence my revert of your removal. Please continue this discussion regarding that article on the article's talk page, should you choose to continue discussion. Thanks JoeSperrazza (talk)

To me, a giant, redundant, and clearly ineffective box makes an article less clean. ¦ Reisio (talk) 20:30, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

While I agree it is less clean, a more productive approach, rather than searching for such boxes and removing them ("drive by removals") would be to improve the article. Leaving the box allows them to be in a category for those who look for such articles to improve. If you have knowledge of the subject, or the article has special meaning for you, why not lookup and add some references yourself? JoeSperrazza (talk) 20:36, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

I don't search for them, I merely remove the redundant and ineffective on a case by case basis, as I come upon them. If they take more than a year in their looking, I question whether they will ever find it. "If you have knowledge…", that's exactly what I'd ask RexxS. ¦ Reisio (talk) 20:40, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Please use ":" to indent each entry. If you care to not follow that convention on your talk page, you are of course welcome to do so, but I prefer to follow the convention here. As to your comment, I believe we'd agree there is policy to be considered, and not just your opinion, namely:

• The three revert rule.
• Removal of maintenance tags].

I'm glad to have your point of view espoused here, but consider stating it earlier (e.g., in response to warnings on your talk page) and attempting come to consensus, not just redoing the removal (note: you reverted another editor's restoral of the tag in question before you reverted mine. I warned you about your first revert, and about removal of the tag, on your talk page). Cheers JoeSperrazza (talk) 20:48, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

WP:USERNAME

Please be sure to read and make sure you understand our policy on usernames before warning users about it; usernames which suggest a conflict of interest aren't prohibited in the policy unless it appears that they are editing on behalf of a group or company, so User:Hannover dk does not appear to be a violation. They've already been warned about their potential conflict of interest, which is the issue here. GiftigerWunsch 18:01, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, I appreciate the heads up. JoeSperrazza (talk) 18:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

As a follow-up to my own comment:

• You said "usernames which suggest a conflict of interest aren't prohibited in the policy unless it appears that they are editing on behalf of a group or company"
• They were "editing on behalf of a group", and created an article which showed a COI. That's why I thought both a username and COI warning were appropriate.

In a future, similar situation (I've seen others very similar), should they only be warned about the COI? Browsing UAA, I've noticed similar situations noted there (but recognize that such things have a human element involved, i.e., different admins interpret policy differently sometimes).

Best regards, JoeSperrazza (talk) 18:16, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

It seems unlikely that the username is being edited by the entire Hannover family, though I take your point; I'm not an admin, so I can't see the content of the now-deleted page they created. I had assumed the page referred to the "Hannover family" as in a family tree which the username is very unlikely to represent; if it was deleted as being a non-notable, small family group, then perhaps there is cause to believe that multiple individuals are using the account after all. Essentially there are two sections of the policy relevant to conflicts of interest as they pertain to usernames: WP:ORGNAME, which forbids the use of company names since they imply they intend to advertise for the company, and WP:NOSHARE, which states that an account may only be operated by a single individual. GiftigerWunsch 18:22, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

" If it was deleted as being a non-notable, small family group" - yes, that was the case. Unless you disagree, I think I did the right thing in this case, therefore (issuing both COI and Username warnings on their talk page, but not on UAA).

Thanks again, JoeSperrazza (talk) 18:25, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, in that case it's a possible interpretation that the account is meant to represent the family and your actions were correct; apologies for the misunderstanding. I'm wondering if the "dk" represents the initials of an individual though (or maybe it represents Denmark). GiftigerWunsch 18:29, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

dk is the top level domain for Denmark. The article was about a Danish family by the same name. No worries, and thanks for the kind notes. JoeSperrazza (talk) 18:32, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Justin Rhodes

Hello JoeSperrazza. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Justin Rhodes, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: The article makes a credible assertion of importance or significance, sufficient to pass A7. Thank you. ϢereSpielChequers 20:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me! Best wishes, JoeSperrazza (talk)!

Re: User talk:99.227.131.13

Nice template. I've never seen that before. :) - Jack Sebastian (talk) 17:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm glad to help - I notice your comments at WP:ANI

• {{ISP|This IP is shared across an Internet Service Provider.}} is listed in Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace#Miscellanea. There are several places to determine the ISP Name for an IP, e.g.,
  • IP Checking
  • Robtex
• {{subst:Welcome-anon-vandal}} is listed in Misplaced Pages:Welcoming committee/Welcome templates#Specialized messages
• {{s/wnote}} is noted in Misplaced Pages:Template messages/User talk namespace#Warnings, notices, and blocks

How does one watchlist an IP's contributions?

Thanks for the nice note! JoeSperrazza (talk) 17:43, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Where is that discussion? I can't find it anywhere on the page you linked me. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.227.131.13 (talk) 00:45, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, it appears to have been archived. I can't find it, either. Note: I didn't open it the ANI section, I simply noticed your IP had been mentioned, so placed a notice there. Again, sorry. JoeSperrazza (talk) 01:08, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Db-attack

Hey! Please remember to blank attack pages! Thanks!--v/r - TP 03:34, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Ah, will do, henceforth. Thanks! JoeSperrazza (talk)

Speedy deletion declined: Taiyuan Foreign Language School

Just to let you know, I have declined your request to speedy delete Taiyuan Foreign Language School. High schools are always assumed to be notable and are ineligible under criterion A7. —C.Fred (talk) 04:36, 10 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! JoeSperrazza (talk) 13:57, 10 January 2011 (UTC)