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Can someone please show me the diffs of me edit warring, for which I was blocked and accused of by many editors, at Adoption of Ala'a Eddeen?

Administrators are always right

When are people going to learn that Misplaced Pages Administrators are always right and they seldom don't support each other. It doesn't matter wether they were right or wrong it only matters that they have the power and you don't. Misplaced Pages also doesn't want new editors. The attitude here is that the editors they have are more than enough to build an encyclopedia and to explaining to newcomers the thousands of policies and rules that contradict themselves is simply a distraction. You are better off editing somewhere else and just use WP as a reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.163.243.16 (talk) 12:30, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to see you can't resist temptation to edit, Kumioko, as this is entirely unhelpful. As for the block, Passionless, I think the reasons were summed up quite well in the block notice you received. That being the third block in a short time, it was issued quickly, regardless of this not falling under the I-P sanctions. You might have been unblocked sooner had you not taken such a combative stance after the block on this talk page.--Atlan (talk) 17:44, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

So next time I'm harassed by an admin I need to be act like their bitch to get unblocked? You can give up your ideals of justice, I'll keep mine. Passionless -Talk 18:02, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you must act like their bitch. That is exactly what I said.--Atlan (talk) 12:55, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement

You have been reported. Broccolo (talk) 18:52, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Why did you ask for a topic ban on israeli-Palestinian matters for me when the case had nothing to do with the i-P conflict? I really don't see how I could see such a thing as anything less than an attempted attack on me. Passionless -Talk 18:06, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Enough

You have proven, since your last block expired, that you can't or won't edit in accordance with the purpose of Misplaced Pages, so until you can, you're blocked. And if you think I'm being abusive (despite being told otherwise by Jimbo, half a dozen admins and one editor after another), then, by all means, email ArbCom (the address is at that link). HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:33, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to respond to my WP:AE, can you unblock me so I can respond to my charges, or would you rather shut me up so people don't see that I never did edit war? Passionless -Talk 21:35, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

You really like to think of yourself as the judge and jury don't you? You won't let me defend myself to my peers? Passionless -Talk 21:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

You can defend yourself to arbcom-l@lists.wikimedia.org if you like. Maybe you can negotiate with ArbCom to come back and start editing constructively, but all I've seen from you all day is classic "WP:NOTTHEM" excuses. I'm sure you won't believe me, but I'm not being vindictive. I would like nothing more than for you to go and write an article or do something constructive, but it seems you can;t or won't drop the stick. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 21:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

It is regretful but unsurprising that it has come to this. I support HJ Mitchell's action. AGK 22:43, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi there Passionless. I've had a word with Hj about your block on his talk page, he has indicated he will agree to an unblock on the basis that you cease complaining about the original block, which some have seen as evidence of a WP:BATTLEGROUND mentality. Regards, Gatoclass (talk) 23:47, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

To Gatoclass, the edits in the red rectangle are edits 1&2 (@15:11) and 3(@15:17). The first time the tags were ever added was at 4, so that was not a revert,and of course both 4 and 5 were after the block. Passionless -Talk 03:08, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I know that. You haven't answered my question. Will you agree to stop complaining about these blocks if I agree to unblock you? Several users perceive your complaints as evidence of a battleground attitude, and whether that is accurate or not, it would probably be in your best interests to drop it. Gatoclass (talk) 03:26, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I made the ANI to clear my name not to harm anyone, I only wanted an apology. You are asking me to accept the shaming. Fine, better to have this account than not. But know that I already emailed Jimbo hours ago, and I would still like to see his reply even if I cannot respond in turn. Passionless -Talk 03:51, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Is it too much to ask that neutralhomer be asked to stop making baseless accusations against me? Passionless -Talk 03:55, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

A little FYI, emails to Jimbo normally take about 24 hours to get a response. The dude gets an insane amount of email from what I have heard. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 03:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I imagined so, Passionless -Talk 03:57, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

We can wait until you get your reply from Jimbo if you like. But, quite frankly, I think you are wasting your time. Gatoclass (talk) 04:52, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

• Don't you mean "...wasting our time" instead? IMO, his rhetoric is nothing less than WP:Drama and WP:SOAP. What say we get back to our siriuz biznis of editing instead? --Dave 05:37, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm fine with waiting. Passionless -Talk 05:49, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Are you ready to discuss your unblock yet? Or do you want to wait a little longer? Gatoclass (talk) 16:06, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Ya, you can unblock me anytime, you can let me know what ever rules you decide upon afterwards. Passionless -Talk 19:14, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

With saying "you can let me know what ever rules you decide upon afterwards", shows to me you are still in battle-mode. It would help your case if you turned battle-mode off and relaxed a little. - Neutralhomer • Talk • Coor. Online Amb'dor • 19:27, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I really don't see how what you said makes any sense Homer, any tone you read into my messages does not exist. Passionless -Talk 19:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I can't unblock you without getting your agreement on some conditions first Passionless. Unfortunately I'm about to log off now so will have to continue this discussion tomorrow. Gatoclass (talk) 19:49, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

For me,

• Rejoice O Youth by Avigdor Miller
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Itamar attack
• Who's puppet is user:Biosketch?

For Jimbo

Can someone please move the following statement to User talk:Jimbo Wales. If you are worring about helping a blocked user, I think this single message to Jimbo may be alright due to the messages from other editors above, or perhaps you could ask HJ Mitchell. Thanks,

Hi, I emailed you a few days ago, but so far you have not replied which is why I am now posting a message here while I would have prefered to keep this private as the claims of Battlefielding will continue. Anways, you took the time to take a look at the case against me at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Passionless, I've replied to your statement at the AE, at the AE, and I am still interested in how you feel now that you have read my reply which shows the links between the source and everything I wrote in the criticism section. I do not mean this as a threat, but I feel what has been done to me by HJ Mitchell is well described at Misplaced Pages:The motivation of a vandal#Former Wikipedians - "Part of this problem seems to be coming from treating in various conflicts experienced Wikipedians the same way as random trolls or vandals are treated. For instance, it is recommended not to talk too much to/about a troll as this "feeds" them. Differently, refusal to talk with contributors that have been initially fair may turn a Misplaced Pages friend into a Misplaced Pages enemy, especially when socially sensitive (for instance, religious, national independence, political or similar) topics are involved." While I admitted several times my first edit to the adoption page was flipping from one POV to the other, I've never done that before or will again, it was just a poor regretable moment of "how dare you write something so POV, I'll show you". Other than that I only meant to reduce POV/OR and show other's opinions on the adoption of iraqi children by foreigners, I do not feel that I should be treated like a troll. HJ Mitchell blocked me for "edit warring, POV pushing, using articles as a coat rack" but as I described in the ANI I brought against him for abuse of admin tools, these reasons are either false or misrepresented. The ANI seems to have irritated him and a few other editors and led to User:ברוקולי starting a case against me at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement#Passionless, asking that I be banned from israeli-palestine articles under WP:ARBPIA even though that topic ban is completely unrelated to the diffs he listed in the case. Rather than joining the ongoing discussion like many editors, admins, and you and I had, HJ Mitchell took unilateral action to block me indefinitely with the claim that I am "obviously incapable of editing in a collaborative editing environment or in compliance with core policies like NPOV and BLP" but this goes against my history of editing on Misplaced Pages, where I have taken part in many long discussions with much civility and collaboration with other editors. Some editors however are fortunately supporting me, or at least against the actions HJ Mitchell took against me, as can be seen here, where they show that I never did edit war-contrary to what HJ Mitchell claimed I had. And yes I do have two previous recent blocks, both were for 'breaking sanctions' on me, but both blocks were found to be incorrect/inappropriate/a misunderstanding by the blockers and each undid their block.

Sorry for the long message, but can you please reply to both my reply at the AE and both blocks in general that Mitchell placed on me.

Thanks, Passionless -Talk 01:12, 14 March 2011 (UTC)-still not a troll

I copied it there. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:16, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you, feel free to comment on the whole thing too, Passionless -Talk 01:18, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

I dont know what all this is about, but frankly, if you want to request appeal you should request to other admins, not Jimbo or Arbcom. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 01:24, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

The purpose of the message was to find out opinions more than anything else, really why would I, or anyone, want to be an editor if there was a good chance of such things happening again? Passionless -Talk 01:28, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:In the news/Candidates

They are in dire need of a new article; 45hours since last update is terrible so I feel even though blocked for an unrelated incident, I should try to help. Free ITN to whomever copies/pastes this to ITN,

China adopts a new 5-year plan which aims to boost spending on public services, decrease economic inequality, and increase employement and wages.

This just happened minutes ago so western sources haven't reported it yet, .

The ITN has not been updated in 46 hours, this is for the main page, not the current events portal. Please follow the link in the heading and re-add there too please and thank you. Passionless -Talk 08:13, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Hope this edit is better. Stay well. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 08:30, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Yup that's where I meant. Thanks, Passionless -Talk 08:42, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

• Need I remind you that you are indefinitely blocked? The only reason your talk page is left open is so that you may appeal and/or discuss the block. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

• I second that. But you see, Passionless? You're a useful editor; you do good work. If you toned down your battlefield-y tone when interacting with others, you'd be free to edit—and we'd be enjoying the fruits of your work. AGK 20:57, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Well said. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:35, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

My "battlefield-y tone" has only ever existed while I have been unjustly blocked which has been 4 times in what 3 weeks? I never complained about the sanctions put on me by T. Canens because they were fair and with reason and I never brought you or Courcelles to an ANI because you both talked with me and figured out what was really going on. I and other editors know that I never edit warred for my 3rd block, and my fourth and current block was for complaining about the fact that the 3rd block was bullshit. This editor will always hope that only fair editors become admins and that admins can be held responsible for their actions, don't you? Passionless -Talk 21:36, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Congrats on the ITN AgadaUrbanit, you made it happen, keep it. Passionless -Talk 21:40, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Unblocked

Following a discussion by email, I have agreed to unblock Passionless. Passionless now understands that HJ Mitchell's block was not prompted by anything personal, and although he does not feel that an indefinite block was warranted, he has agreed that in future he will ensure that his editing is scrupulously in accordance with policy. In turn, I would hope that those who had previous disagreements with him would not raise those disagreements again, provided his editing remains within policy. Let's move on from here in good faith all round. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:08, 17 March 2011 (UTC)