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I see you unblocked Mbz1 on the condition she stay away from the noticeboards, but I couldn't quite make out the last part of "has agreed to stay away from ANI, AN, SPI, AE for 6 mos, tkng bvir wrs to only 1 editor". Is it she can't take one specific editor to AN or anyone to ANs. I ask because she just took me to AN/EW, although my three edits were consecutive minus some grammar fixing by another editor. Passionless -Talk 08:14, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Mbz1 agreed to stay away from AN, ANI, SPIs and arb enforcement. "Noticeboards" in threads about this has been shorthand for AN and ANI. This said, given the agreement, one might rather she had taken this to an admin or experienced editor, but it seems highly likely she didn't think she was breaking the agreement by making a GF post to WP:AN3 (she didn't break the agreement) and it looks to me as though she was neither careless nor disruptive in making the post, or in following up on the thread there.

It does seem as though you more or less breached 1rr, the least one could say is that you skirted the edge. Either way, you took it too far. I've left a warning on your talk page. Gwen Gale (talk) 10:09, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Gwen, May I please ask you to take a look at at this. As you see administrator AGK found neither the block nor the agreed bans to be warranted. Yes, I agreed on those myself, and yes, I am still grateful to you that you did not use your power to force me to admit that anything that was done to me that day was fair. It was not! I could have not agreed to say the block had any merits even, if my life depended on it. Now, when I am getting harassed by any troll/sock/hound because of those humiliating bans I see I should have not agreed on them. I have done absolutely nothing wrong on any of those boards to deserve those agreed bans. A valid AE request, a valid AN/I post (see what administrator AGK said about it), no posts at AN, and yes, bad, but a single SPI should not have resulted in anything like this ever! Why did I agree on those bans? Well, I love wikipedia. For three months after you unblocked me I have written at least 16 new articles, I have uploaded at least 5 high resolution images, but enough is enough. From now on I am not going to follow on that agreement. If I feel I need to contribute on any of those boards, I will. Please feel free to re-block me to satisfy the trolls, the hounds and the socks.Regards.--Mbz1 (talk) 13:04, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

The editor has been warned. Meanwhile, as I have said before, please don't call other editors trolls, ever.

If you break your six month agreement, you'll likely be blocked by an admin and the noticeboard ban might be lengthened. If you had come here and asked that it be lifted, without threats, I was more than ready to do so. However, given you've said you plan on breaking the agreement, I don't think that time has come yet. Gwen Gale (talk) 14:41, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

I assure you I have never ever called or will call another editor a troll.

I did not make any threats. I am sorry, if you feel I did.

But I do not feel as asking the unfair, unheard of bans to be lifted. They should have never be posted in the first place ever!

As much as I am concerned they have been lifted.

I would not be surprised, if you are to block me, but you know what I do not care. --Mbz1 (talk) 14:52, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, stop whining. For highly active and motivated editors like you, en.WP ain't easy to edit. If your contributions weren't so helpful, you might still be indef blocked. You could have gotten the noticeboard agreement lifted today if you'd asked and not threatened. Think about it. Oh and please don't use the noun troll on-wiki. Gwen Gale (talk) 15:02, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Well...

Mbz1 has given you a breath of Spring to promote WikiLove and a new beginning

--Mbz1 (talk) 03:01, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

My bans

Hi Gwen,

As I told you earlier today I was going to consider my extremely unwarranted bans to be lifted, and to act accordingly, but then you gave me the cookies, and I decided it would not be the right thing to do to upset you with my actions.

So, I am asking you to lift those bans. May I please ask you to understand me? I do not care about contributing to any of those boards. I could live happily without them, but my bans have been used to hound and to harass me more than once already. Only yesterday a sock of a banned user and user:passionless harassed me with those bans as you know. And you still remember now community-banned User:Sol Goldstone, don't you?

I hope you like the image of the Spring. I took it myself, and I decided to give you something different not cookies, but I'd like to stress out please that I gave you wikilove not in order to ask you to lift my bans, but rather to do something nice for you as you did for me by giving me cookies:-)

Regards.--Mbz1 (talk) 03:22, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Keep in mind, though both of those editors came to me trying to get you blocked, Sol Goldstone was banned from the site and passionless got warned (and was almost blocked).

That said, six months is a long time on the Internet and you've kept to the agreement (thanks!), so I'm willing to shorten the agreement to three months, which means, as of now, it'll be up a week from today, 27 March.

From then on, you're on your own and you should be ready to deal with any outcomes of posting to AN, ANI, SPIs or AEs. Editing controversial and/or high traffic topic areas, you will run into editors whose behaviour may be worrisome. You might still think about seeking help from an experienced editor or admin before going to a noticeboard, or moreover, learning more about handling such things on your own.

I only ever saw the agreement as a way to get you unblocked so you could keep helping out here, if you wanted, nothing more or less. If anyone brings up the topic, or the shortening of the length, you can give them the diff to this post. All the best. Gwen Gale (talk) 17:24, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, but I have never done anything on those boards to deserve being blocked and/or being banned, as it was confirmed by administrator AGK in the link I provided above.

Three more questions please.

1. You said not to use the noun "troll", what about using the verb "trolling"?
2. Do you know about any other user who has been banned for AN and or for AN/I for any period of time?
3. Would you be willing to go over my edits that lead to my blocking by you and agreed bans and compare those to edits of two other users that resulted in no such sanctions? This would be definitely beneficial to me in order to understand what went wrong, and I hope it would be beneficial for you as an administrator too because IMO the sanctions should not depend on what administrator is imposing them. I believe the sanctions should be rather generic.If you do, I will make a page in my user space for this purpose. I believe it would be an interesting experience.

Regards.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:55, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to help you. The behaviour of other editors has nothing to do with you. You helpfully agreed to stay away from those noticeboards, abided by the agreement, which has now been halved as to length. Drop it. As for the word troll, if you have to ask about nouns and verbs, it'll be easier if you stay away from that word altogether (on-wiki). Gwen Gale (talk) 18:33, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

The thing is that as you probably noticed English is not my first language. When I translate some words in my native tongue those really do not sound so bad, but still before I am using any of those words I'm usually trying to see how other editors, that are known to be polite using those words. So, with the word "trolling" , for example, I looked at this diff. I could provide quite a few other examples of using this word by highly respected editors.

I disagree that the behaviour of other editors has nothing to do with me because at least partly anybody's behaviour depends on the behaviour of others towards this person. Besides what I was proposing to do was rather not analyzing the behaviour of others, but analyzing the sanctions that were or were not imposed for a similar kind of behavior because IMO the sanctions should not depend on administrator, who imposes them, and should be generic. But, it is OK, if you'd rather not discuss this. Yes, I agreed on those bans because I was eager to get unblocked and because I did not care to contributing to those boards.I did not realize how humiliating those restrictions were, and how they would be used to hound me. OK I am dropping this question at least here.

Still my question #2 went answered, which is fine.

Thanks for taking the time to respond to me, and for trying to help me. I was also trying to help you, to become even better admin than you are, and never again to block anybody as unwarrantably as administrator AGK put it, as you blocked me. All the best.--Mbz1 (talk) 19:02, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

I think you're mistaken about that. By the way, you might want to take some time to, at last, learn how to cite diffs. Either way, you're on your own, I'm done with you. Good luck. Gwen Gale (talk) 21:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

To tell you the truth I wish you have never started with me :-) Sorry, I am in funny mood today. Please don't get angry with me. Let's laugh together. Good luck to you too!--Mbz1 (talk) 22:12, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Ok. Sounds cool to me :) By the way, this is the diff to cite later, if need be. Gwen Gale (talk) 22:17, 20 March 2011 (UTC)