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{{helpme}} I just now completed 2 AfD nominations:

• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Amazing Mr. Waller, Vol. 1: Jiving with Fats Waller
• Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Amazing Mr. Waller, Vol. 2: Jiving with Fats Waller

Both are listed in today's log, but the first one just does not transclude. What is my mistake there? Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 12:22, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

There's something wrong with the one above it, Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Thomas Jäger (racing driver), but I can't see what... JohnCD (talk) 12:33, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I still don't know what it was, but I've fixed it by casting a !vote at Thomas Jäger. JohnCD (talk) 12:48, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and I thought I solved it :) by retyping the curly brackets around it in the daily log. Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 12:52, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't know which of us did it. The curly brackets looked OK, but so did Thomas J. One of life's mysteries. JohnCD (talk) 13:00, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK idea

Hi. You previously asked me to alert you to new articles that ought to be on DYK. I am not the primary author of either of these - they were both researched and primarily written by User:Tim riley, and I think both are really very good: Richard Watson (singer) and James Walker (conductor). Suggested tags: 1. ...that after singing Wagner, Verdi other opera at London's Royal Opera House and elsewhere, bass Richard Watson spent the next two decades specializing in Gilbert and Sullivan. 2. ...that after producing Decca recordings for the D'Oyly Carte Opera Company, James Walker joined the company for a decade, becoming its musical director.

Feel free to nominate them. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:38, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Uuh, ooh, that's not my area of expertise at all. But I'll go through these and nominate. Currently looking at a possibility to combine them into a double hook; their biographies overlapped at D'Oyly Carte Opera Company. Thanks for letting me know! Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 21:20, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure. Thanks for doing the nomination. Yes, the articles overlap at Gilbert and Sullivan and D'Oyly Carte. BTW, I'd rather you say Gilbert and Sullivan operas, instead of Savoy operas, as the first is more specific and the link leads the reader to our project's flagship article. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 22:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

 Done, see nominations at Richard Watson (singer) and James Walker (conductor). Didn't find a good double hook. it looks as if they never met. --Pgallert (talk) 10:22, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Super, thanks! I hoped you enjoyed reading these. WP:G&S is now approaching 450 articles! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:13, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Most welcome. I should admit I did not know Gilbert nor Sullivan nor any of their operas before yesterday... shame on me. And I should admit that I am envious of a WProject that has 16 active members, while ours has a grand total of 2. All the best, Pgallert (talk) 18:37, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Uttering

On January 24th I proposed the article Uttering for deletion. On January 25th it was closed by Pgallert, a non-admin, as “Speedy Keep”. I nominated the article to be deleted because the premise of the article is false, and the sources used to support the article are taken out of context. I would not go as far as to say the article is a hoax, but it is certainly false and misleading.

It is not a crime to be caught "uttering". The Criminal Code of Canada defines the word "utter" at Part XII - Offences Relating to Currency, Section 448 (Definitions): "utter" includes sell, pay, tender and put off. None of those defined terms are criminal acts in themselves. "Uttering" is not the crime, but is just a word being used to describe a crime such as “uttering of false money”, or “uttering and publishing an alleged fictitious instrument in writing", or “forgery and the uttering of a forged instrument”. The word “uttering” in itself, is just a word, and the act of “uttering”, in itself, is not a crime. I proposed that the article should be deleted as it is false and unverifiable.

The AfD was closed in less a day by User:Pgallert, a non-admin who stated that “The result was speedy keep. Deletion rationale has been refuted - both verifiable and true. Isofar as "only a word" refers to WP:DICT, this deletion argument has also been shown to be wrong.

Only two editors had had the oppourtunity to respond in the AfD, both of whom were the primary contributors to the article. This article is factually incorrect, and it was wrong for Pgallert to close the deletion discussion before there had been a full and proper opportunity for all interested editors to fully understand and discuss the issues. Securel (talk) 23:34, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Securel, I agree with your description of the timeline of events. As for my closing motivation: To begin with, I had difficulties finding a policy-based deletion rationale from your side. "Not a crime" is certainly not a valid reason to delete an article, and neither is "factually wrong". As stated in my closing rationale, I interpreted your deletion nomination to be based on three pillars:

1. false - possibly hinting at a hoax. This has been refuted through the supply of WP:Reliable sources
2. unverifiable - this I saw as mapping to WP:V. This argument has likewise been refuted through the supply of WP:Reliable sources
3. only a word - this I interpreted as a deletion rationale based on WP:NOTDICT, which has been refuted by the references in the article, as pointed out by the two "keep" !voters.

Summarily I believed that all deletion arguments had been refuted, and there was no "delete" !vote standing. The amount of "keep" votes does not matter much in this context, as AfD is not a head count anyway. The time it stayed open I admit was short--from my perspective it was still in yesterday's log; But you are right that I should probably have not closed it before a full 24-hour period had passed to give you as nominator the chance to respond. My apologies for that.

As this incident is over a month old, I feel re-opening it would not be proper. Feel free to approach WP:Deletion Review to get a comment on my closure, and possibly a WP:TROUT slap for me. Be alerted, though, that after my closure, another editor !voted "keep", and an administrator very experienced in the deletion process reinstated my non-admin closure. You can see this from the page history. Regards, Pgallert (talk) 08:21, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of James Walker (conductor)

Hello! Your submission of James Walker (conductor) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 22:06, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

It is already at preparation area, so it seems the issue has been sorted out. But for interest's sake, and in case you can remember (I want to know what blunders I have made): What was the issue with my nom? Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 07:17, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for James Walker (conductor)

On 26 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Walker (conductor), which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that future Australian conductor and record producer James Walker was lauded as a "child wonder" after his performance on piano, organ and violin at age seven? If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Richard Watson (singer)

On 27 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Richard Watson (singer), which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that bass opera singer Richard Watson was given so many roles in the operas by Gilbert and Sullivan that his colleague Richard Walker left D'Oyly Carte Opera Company? If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 06:02, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gross Barmen

On 28 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gross Barmen, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Gross Barmen, the first Rhenish mission station to the Herero in South-West Africa, was established in 1844 by Carl Hugo Hahn and Franz Heinrich Kleinschmidt? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Carl Hugo Hahn

On 28 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Carl Hugo Hahn, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Gross Barmen, the first Rhenish mission station to the Herero in South-West Africa, was established in 1844 by Carl Hugo Hahn and Franz Heinrich Kleinschmidt? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Franz Heinrich Kleinschmidt

On 28 February 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Franz Heinrich Kleinschmidt, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Gross Barmen, the first Rhenish mission station to the Herero in South-West Africa, was established in 1844 by Carl Hugo Hahn and Franz Heinrich Kleinschmidt? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 12:04, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!

Hi, Pgallert. Thank you for your very helpful comments on my DYK nomination for All men are donkeys or men and donkeys are donkeys. I tried to improve the article the way you suggested. In process of doing so I used almost exact wording you used in DYK. I hope you do not mind, if you do, I will try to change it. May I please ask you to take another look at the article? Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:30, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm, yes and no. Technically you will need a reference for that, and I must admit that finding it might be difficult. I could for now not think of any standard text discussing such (from today's perspective) trivial cases. I have notified the WikiProject Logic (here); I am sure somebody there could help to improve the wording and to link it to a standard reference. Cheers, --Pgallert (talk) 17:43, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Well, when you said that it would be difficult to find the references, I realized that what I did could be considered original research. Maybe it will be enough simply to say that sophismata were used in medieval logic, and is not used anymore? Cheers.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:36, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi again, it was more than 24 hours since you posted a question about the article WikiProject Logic, and so far User:Philogo suggested to state your concerns at the article's talk page, but there's no valid reason to hold on DYK nomination. As I explained there to add any information except the one that is used in the sources would be a violation of no original research policy. So, may I please ask you to promote DYK? Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 18:37, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Mbz1, and sorry for coming back to you so late. Our Internet connection was very slow yesterday, and I could not work on it. As indicated on the DYK page, I am requesting a second opinion on that. In my opinion it is an issue--I outlined it on the talk page of the article just now. If another editor promotes the hook I have no problem with it but I wish to recuse from the discussion. Hope for your understanding. Cheers, Pgallert (talk) 08:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, for merging!--Mbz1 (talk) 23:35, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK 25 Medal

		The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		The D.Y.K. Project thanks you for your many contributions to the Encyclopedia. The Interior (Talk) 17:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

(Thanks for the reminder!) The Interior (Talk) 17:55, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ponhele ya France

On 4 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Ponhele ya France, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Namibian trade unionist Ponhele ya France was an outspoken critic of the "Willing buyer, willing seller" land reform principle? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Orlady (talk) 18:03, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Leave It to Jane

Hi! I have just put up this article on a musical, Leave It to Jane. Feel free to nominate it. I think this would be a snappy hook: "...that although Leave It to Jane was written as part of the Princess Theatre series, another Kern, Bolton and Wodehouse musical was already running there, so it opened elsewhere." Feel free to modify as you wish, but kindly let me know your plans. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 01:30, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

 Done, see Leave It to Jane. Changed the word order in the hook; to me the word "musical" occurred too late in the sentence to be understood easily. --Pgallert (talk) 19:12, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! Let me know if you are getting tired of doing this for me. I hope you liked Leave It to Jane. It actually has two important effects on the history of musical theatre; one for being one of the Princess Theatre series, and one for having one of the first long-running productions Off-Broadway. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:14, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. If I have a hook that has a ref behind it in the article, then the effort is not significant for me. All I need to do is dig out an old DYK review and link it. Creating hooks from offline refs I don't own is a different story... --Pgallert (talk) 08:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Leave It to Jane

Hello! Your submission of Leave It to Jane at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 16:58, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Pgallert, I took care of this. It's approved now. Thanks again! -- Ssilvers (talk) 20:02, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

UNTAG article

Hi. I noticed you rated the UNTAG article recently and made some minor edits. I wrote much of the text of the article a few years ago during a research project and beyond the first few weeks after that it hasnt seen much action. Since you recently took a look at it I was wondering if you had any suggestions for how it might be improved. I just took a look at it references are the most obvious thing, so I'm planning to try to get some reliable sources up today. Any other thoughts? Thanks -- InspectorTiger (talk) 16:34, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi Inspector, I am still surprised about coming across Namibia-related articles I thought did not exist. There is no problem with the article as it stands; I see you are currently busy converting the further reading into inline citations, that's good. I have mainly two ideas what to improve: First, the structure seems to be very closely bound to a timeline--don't know if this is possible, but something like Background-Foundation-Mandate-Results-Aftermath seems easier to understand. Second, there is still no Independence of Namibia article. Currently, we link this phrase to the Tripartite Accord (Angola), which is less than ideal. I have the feeling the UNTAG article, much as it currently stands, could be developed into the Independence article, leaving a page or so behind which rather narrowly covers UNTAG. Of course this is just an idea, feel free to go ahead whichever way you chose. Thanks, Pgallert (talk) 19:06, 11 March 2011 (UTC)

I like your framework for the article and Ive rearranged a lot of it and redone the headings with that in mind, though I slightly changed it Background-Foundation-Mandate-Implementation-Results. I also like your idea for an independence article; in its current state it does go rather beyond UNTAG itself. As I said, it was born out of a research paper I wrote a while back about the whole transition. As of now i'm not familiar enough with the rest of the History of Namibia framework that already exists on WP to undertake that just yet. Ideally, obviously, there'd be something like History of the United States with each subsection neatly linked off to a main article, etc. I'm afraid I'm not bold enough to jump into that just yet but I'm more than happy to help out if the move is something you want to do. In the meantime, I'm probably going to leave it as is or possibly try to expand the lede to a more appropriate size if I have time. Thanks for your help. -- InspectorTiger (talk) 03:27, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Maybe not a move; the UNTAG article is getting really good, thanks to your effort. I have started to draft a timeline of Namibian independence in my user space here and hope to have something useful maybe in a week. Independence celebrations are coming up, maybe I can make a DYK for March 21. I have left some comments on Talk:United Nations Transition Assistance Group that affect the flow of prose. --Pgallert (talk) 20:08, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Leave It to Jane

On 12 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Leave It to Jane, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that although the Kern, Bolton and Wodehouse musical Leave It to Jane was written for the Princess Theatre, it premiered elsewhere because another musical by the same creators was already running there? If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 09:14, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

I appreciate your feedback. Much of it is anticipated. I am impressed by the tact you demonstrated. Your character resonates in your response, and reflects well. There are areas where I would like clarification, but I have learned a few things. That said, there's no disagreement. Some ambiguity exists but it is subtle and of minimum consequence. I will take heed to your words. And now, here are mine: Thanks and appreciation. My76Strat (talk) 15:52, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. I should add that your level-headedness in a storm of critique is admirable and a huge asset; I'll be more than happy to support if and when you again put yourself forward to endure Hell Week. Keep up the good work! --Pgallert (talk) 16:28, 14 March 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:School and university projects/Polyte

Just letting you know that I declined your speedy deletion here. Novel interpretations of A7, even when reasonable, can be dangerous. We do our best at WT:CSD to keep the criteria narrow, specific, and based only on explicit consensus. I don't disagree that this should be deleted, but I would prefer to see an MfD about it rather than just whacking it myself. Cheers. lifebaka++ 17:43, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Hmm, you're right, I was too hasty with that. Just realised that the page had some old content--also not at the right place but certainly not speedyable. Have copied the autobiography to the relating user page, reinstated the old content of the page, and then moved that one to the user space of the creator of that content to preserve edit history. Not sure about the remaining redirect, though. Thanks for notifying. --Pgallert (talk) 09:34, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Dawid Boois

Hi there, I just started Dawid Boois but I do not really understand the controversy mentioned in The Namibian article. It seems that you understand Nama history fairly well, so I'd appreciate it if you can expound a bit more based on the source. Thanks!--TM 21:55, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Tried to clarify--please check if what I wrote is legible. Thanks for letting me know. --Pgallert (talk) 13:41, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

messed up template

Thanks for catching this. I've just spent 15 minutes figuring out what went wrong. This probably happened elsewhere because it's the result of vandalism on template {{Category title}} (which is used by Twinkle). The problematic edit is almost 24 hours old so I'm probably not the only one who ended up spamming talk pages with a blurb about one Pat Avery... Pichpich (talk) 11:48, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Help needed again

This help request has been answered. If you need more help, you can ask another question on your talk page, contact the responding user(s) directly on their user talk page, or consider visiting the Teahouse.

User:Slick professor/Enter your new article name here is the page I'm referring to, user only edited on one day in October 2010. Would wikify his work and move to List of Gcikuru kings. --Pgallert (talk) 12:40, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

I see the concern—I would never normally move an active user's draft work in progress to the mainspace without their say so, but a few edits total and none since six months ago? It sure seems abandoned and I think you should go for it. As with all edits, the user freely licensed the copyright to his work when he clicked save, so it's fair game.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:30, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

The short answer is yes you could do it, and by some considerations, should. My76Strat (talk) 14:39, 2 April 2011 (UTC)