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RFAR

Oh, ok, but what does that mean, I never heard of arbitration.

Misplaced Pages:RFAR#Macedonia_naming_dispute.

I do not see how I am involved in this dispute. The only editing I did was reverting vandalism , , . I would appreciate it if you could remove me from the list of involved parties. Thanks Naconkantari e|t||c|m 20:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi Bitola, I have removed my statement to avoid cluttering up the page, pending the acceptance or rejection of the case. I stopped editing Macedonia related articles when I gave you the "olive branch of peace" and as far as I am concerned all disputes ended there, so I don't consider myself involved in it any more. Please remove my name from the list also and in necessary, I can post my thoughts on the workshop if they accept the case. I really don't want to get drawn back into this after those good weeks of abstinence ;-) --Latinus 21:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Потсетување

Здраво Битола, без разлика што ќе биде исходот од арбитражата, за порталот не треба да дозволиме да се промени името, колку и да Грците паничат. Во него нема ништо навредливо за другите региони. Оваа "треска" што го зафати корисникот Македонас бргу ќе му помине (тој праќа некакви пораки кај Мискин, Тхеатхенае и други грчки корисници, со некаква содржина да се "зголеми анти фиром пропагандата" и "монополот" со името). Поздрав - Bomac 11:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I'm sure we will - don't worry about other users, they tend to get a little emotional at times, this is an issue of significant national pride for the both of us. I still believe that the ArbCom will refuse to decide the outcome of the dispute (they always reject content disputes), but you never know... I'm sure we'll remain friends whatever the outcome :-) --Latinus 12:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Macedonia

No, you're not wrong, on the contrary. I've already expressed understanding and sympathy towards Macedonians on numerous occasions. And that Bulgaria was the first country to recognize the Republic of Macedonia is also well known. But you have to understand that the issue, as important as it is, has already been discussed and it is close to absurdity to begin addressing the Republic of Macedonia just as Macedonia. Yes, your opinion as Macedonians is of key importance, but there are other factors that have influence on the issue. It must be made clear that Macedonia is a vague term that is confusing, misleading and in constant need of clarification when used. You also witness how a number of Greek Wikipedians get offended by the current use of the name in the portal, and I tried to be polite and warn you in the very beginning, so you could solve this, but it looks like I had no success. My opinion remains the same, the name is misleading and has to be changed, again, no offence. → Тодор Божинов / Todor Bozhinov → 15:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

See my comment at User talk:Jkelly. I told Bomac this would happen... --Latinus 13:41, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Што сакаш, Битола? What did I do that offended you? --Latinus 17:54, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

To answer your assertations:

• I am not working against your country, I have no problem whatsoever with your country or its people.
• My proposal to rename the portal is for the reasons I specified in my recommendation (which do not include hatered of your country) and most (neutral) Wikipedians who have commented so far indicate that I acted reasonably. Come on, it's not as if I proposed to move it to Portal:FYROM!
• Do you really think that I should keep to my words after Bomac reassured my not to worry about the portal and then went back on his word? People's opinions can change - just as it happened with Bomac and me.
• That edit war at the Bitola article is in reference to Miskin drawing my attention to it (he did give you a good summary as to why his version is appropriate on his talk page). I explained my reasoning in my edit summary. Refute it if you think it appropriate, but just don't expect me to refrain from expressing my opinion.

One final question, do friends always have to agree - I could just as easily have claimed that your Portal:Macedonia was a bad faith propagandistic device like Makedonas did. Are you allowed to serve your national self-interests whereas I am somehow not allowed to by virtue of our "friendship"? I hope you know I am not your enemy - there really are people who wish ill of your country, but I am not amongst them. --Latinus 18:24, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Portal:Macedonia

Bitola, you know that I've spent hours, days and months convincing people not to refer to us as "Macedonian Slavs" on Misplaced Pages (you can check my contributions), so I hope you won't consider my latest vote as a stab in the back. Until the dumb naming issue is finally, internationally resolved, and the Greek government finally gets some sense of reality, there's hardly any chance for a stable Portal:Macedonia in the near future. I know that you had the best intentions, and acted in good faith, but it simply won't pass for now. Perhaps it is my fault that I haven't warned you that the name of the portal would cause problems - I should have done that in the first moment I received your message, but meanwhile, I totally forgot about the portal. If I have dissapointed you, I'm really, really sorry. --FlavrSavr 03:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Republic of Macedonia in the Article Improvement Drive

Hey Bitola, I recently nominated the Republic of Macedonia article as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. The drive is a great way to get articles up to Featured Article Status. I hope you will take the time to visit the AID and vote for Republic of Macedonia! Below is the comment I wrote when I nominated the article. --Caponer 03:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

"The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia makes an excellent candidate for the Article Improvement Drive because it is very close to reaching featured article status in both content and layout. I feel as if we should always be focusing on articles that only require minor adjustments and additions in the AID instead of those that need complete and total reworking, and this is one that will only require a week to make the small adjustments required. Macedonia deserves a spotlight since it is poised to become a member state of the European Union and is a state that we will be hearing much more about in the news in the years to come. Its location adjacent to Albania and Kosovo will also make it a player in the upcoming debate over Kosovo's independence movement. I just feel it will be a fabulous choice and I hope you will think so, too. --Caponer 17:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)"

Dear ΜΟΝΑΣΤΗΡΙ,

1. I was never unpolite with you (not that you deserve it).

2. I am glad I was right. You were watching.

3. You are so right. Threats are so much more inferior than actions.

Николас NikoSilver 13:10, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

PS. By the way, your recent "neutral-and-above" attitude is impressive. Only problem is, as you can easily see, that you don't fool anyone with your new mask.

Stop trying to hide the truth behind the Bulgarian name Bitola and its being a translation from the Greek. I've got credible sources for my edits, and the reason I haven't included them is because there's no reference section. If I do decide to include them however, I'm going to have to make extensive edits about the recent demography of the region, which you're not going to like. If you continue with this attitude then I'll compile a realistic, detailed history of the article according to the modern historical references. Miskin 11:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Stop passing POV into the article. Monastiri is the original name of the city as it was founded and inhabited by Byzantine Greeks until 1913. Just deal with this fact. This is not explicitely mentioned in that way, but if you continue adding your POV, I'm going to point out that the region was primarily Greek until the early 20th century. I've got credible sources for that, and the reason I haven't insisted on it so far is because I know your nationalist sensitivities on the subject, whereas I couldn't care less. But if you push it to the limits by not even admitting the fundamental reality on the historical background of the city, I'll write a fully sourced historical section on the recent Greek presence in the region. And if you by then continue to make such obtuse edits, I'm willing to take this as far as it gets. Miskin 14:38, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you please tell me what displeases you in the last version that you have been mercilessly reverting? Point out the exact part that you doubt, and I'll provide you the source for it. Miskin 15:23, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Pak jas...

Ej, stvarno juzhnive nashi sosedi (pa i istochni) se prav udav... (Latinus kje go razbere ova :-))... Ova im e neshto kako "odmazda" za portalot za nashata drzhava shto go pravat so gradot na konzulite. Epa stvarno se licemeri i ednostavni... Kako li vlegle vo E.Unija ovie lugje koi se odnesuvaat kako da se od kameno vreme? Bomac 13:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Ona e glup! Ova ne e “odmazda” i stvarno juzhnive vashi ne sme licemeri i ednostavni. Jas kazhuvah tebe che ove shte sluchuve, ti ne slusha! Pozdrav, Bitola. --Latinus 16:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)