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	It appears that this discussion has run out of gas. So far, two reviewing admins have expressed disagreement with the ban, and none were in favor. Do you want to lift your ban, or propose something different? Incidentally thank you for participating at AE. All former arbitrators are welcome :-). ] (]) 15:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)		It appears that this discussion has run out of gas. So far, two reviewing admins have expressed disagreement with the ban, and none were in favor. Do you want to lift your ban, or propose something different? Incidentally thank you for participating at AE. All former arbitrators are welcome :-). ] (]) 15:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

			== Disappointed ==

			You know, Fred, I always thought you were one of the more clear minded and big picture guys around here, but is disappointing. You are picking up on a good editor, and ignoring the SPI/sock issues. This is very much "lets focus on the letter of the policies and ignore their spirit and the good of the project" bureaucratic attitude ("I don't care if you discovered a terrorist nuclear plot, you filled in the wrong form to report this and you'll be fined for that") that I did not expect from you :( --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">]\|]</sub> 19:06, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

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The Kefermarkt altarpiece is a richly decorated wooden altarpiece in the Late Gothic style in the parish church of Kefermarkt in Upper Austria. Commissioned by the knight Christoph von Zelking, it was completed around 1497. Saints Peter, Wolfgang and Christopher are depicted in the central section. The wing panels depict scenes from the life of Mary, and the altarpiece also has an intricate superstructure and two side figures of Saints George and Florian. The identity of its maker, known by the notname Master of the Kefermarkt Altarpiece, is unknown, but at least two skilled sculptors appear to have created the main statuary. Throughout the centuries, it has been altered and lost its original paint and gilding; a major restoration was undertaken in the 19th century under the direction of Adalbert Stifter. The altarpiece has been described as "one of the greatest achievements in late-medieval sculpture in the German-speaking area". This image shows the upper-left wing panel of the Kefermarkt altarpiece, depicting the birth of Christ. Mary is portrayed kneeling in devotion in front of the infant Christ, who is placed before her on a fold of her dress. On the other side, Joseph is also kneeling in front of the child. Above Mary, on the roof of the building behind them, are two angels playing a mandolin and a lute. The annunciation to the shepherds can be seen in the background.Sculpture credit: Master of the Kefermarkt Altarpiece; photographed by Uoaei1 Archive – More featured pictures...

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Sakotis!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Here's a Sakotis for you! This cake promotes WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving this cake to someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Make your own message to spread WikiLove to others! Happy editing! Fernando Buceta (talk) 10:50, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Article Editing problem

Dear Fred, I noticed this morning that the page "Bill Thomas (writer)" had the following notes as a result of recent edits by one of Wiki admins:

1. This biographical article needs additional citations for verification. Please help by adding reliable sources. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous or harmful.

2. This article includes a list of references, related reading or external links, but its sources remain unclear because it lacks inline citations. Please improve this article by introducing more precise citations where appropriate.

3. This article's citation style may be unclear. The references used may be made clearer with a different or consistent style of citation, footnoting, or external linking. (July 2010)

4. This article is written like an advertisement. Please help rewrite this article from a neutral point of view. For blatant advertising that would require a fundamental rewrite to become encyclopedic, use {{db-spam}} to mark for speedy deletion.

5. The neutrality of this article is disputed. Please see the discussion on the talk page. Please do not remove this message until the dispute is resolved.

I made corrections and input additional information, including biographical data, education and links to the recent Washington Post Magazine articles by Bill Thomas, to clarify the issues but the page was blocked for editing by Orangemike. I'll be happy to email you the updated information. Please let me know how I can submit the changes or make the page unprotected.

Additional sources: Outside GO Magazine:

http://outsidego.com/index.php/20081118465/First-Person/Soccer-in-Iran/menu-id-1.html

http://outsidego.com/index.php/20081016425/Travel/Singita-Game-Reserves.html?Itemid=0

http://outsidego.com/index.php/20080512326/Sidebar/Caucasus-Hooks.html?Itemid=0

http://outsidego.com/index.php/20080507320/Active-Lifestyle/Elite-Schools.html?Itemid=0

http://outsidego.com/index.php/20080507319/Travel/Fishing-Georgia.html?Itemid=0

http://outsidego.com/index.php/20080203154/Active-Lifestyle/Hunting-the-Hamptons.html?Itemid=0

WP Magazine: http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/washingtonpost/results.html?st=advanced&uid=&MAC=50a23aa1f3f5c6104e90e36051420d61&QryTxt=&sortby=RELEVANCE&datetype=0&frommonth=01&fromday=01&fromyear=1987&tomonth=08&today=13&toyear=2010&By=bill+thomas&Title=&Sect=ALL

The Washington Times (see page 2 for credits): http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/mar/25/searchlight-nev/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by Arctic2012 (talk • contribs) 04:46, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

http://johnbatchelorshow.com/podcasts/2010/08/august-14-2010-hour-2/ GUESTS: Carla Marinucci, San Francisco Chronicle; Bill Thomas and others arctic2012 (talk · contribs)

Thank you, arctic2012 (talk · contribs)

Please be aware that User:Arctic2012 is a single purpose account who may be Bill Thomas, or apparently at least his agent (in some sense of the term). --Orange Mike | Talk 01:41, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Nableezy SPI

Hi Fred. The instant SPI does not rest on technical evidence. In fact the technical evidence will in all likihood not connect Nableezy to the Sock. the point of the SPI is to prove that the behavioral evidence connects the IP to Nableezy and that the lack of techncial evidene connecting the two will not disprove sockpuppetry. The behavioral evidence here is overwhelming. Please note the following:

Nableezy was topic banned three times in the last six months.
While the topic bans were in place, 208 edited articles that fell under the topic bans.
208 evidenced a strong familiarity with both Misplaced Pages rules and Misplaced Pages users, including DrorK, a user with whom Nableezy frequently quarreled.
Nableezy and 208 made similar edits and in some instances, identical edits.
Nableezy and 208 wrote similar edit summaries and employed similar phrases. (Both used the phrase "revert troll" when reverting IPs) Compare Nableezy and IP208
Nableezy and 208 placed similar emphasis on publishers and publishing houses when evaluating RS. Compare IP208 to Nableezy as well as , and
208 did not make any edits to I-P articles that Nableezy himself could have made, either before the topic bans or after they expired.
208 made reverts on articles consistent with Nableezy's concurrent arguments on the article talk page.
As noted in the SPI, the 208 stated in mocking fashion that he was well aware that the IP was dynamic and could not be linked to the master through conventional CU techniques.
The 208 range geolocates to Chicago.
The 208s have made numerous edits to Chicago related articles evidencing a further nexus between the 208s and Chicago.
Nableezy's nexus to the Chicago area is well established.

In light of the above, I implore you not to close this SPI and carefully scrutinize the behavioral evidence linking Nableezy to the 208--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 14:07, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Fred we are dealing with a dynamic range that is used by multiple internet connections, Nableezy being among them. Nableezy, who has a technical background from the Illinois Institute of Technology was keenly aware of this loophole evidenced by where he mocks all of us. In any event user NativeForeigner seems to have closed the case based on your comments at the SPI. If you think the behavioral evidence warrants a second look, please re-open. Thanks--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 14:38, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Just want to add one more thing. Nableezy has had multiple editors blocked or banned on a fraction of the evidence presented in the instant SPI--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 14:48, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Personal Information on Talk Pages

Fred - You seem to have misconstrued my response on my Talk Page to mean the opposite of what I said. CharlieAnders has asked for MY personal information, not vice versa. I have asked her to keep all discussions regarding Misplaced Pages article issues on Misplaced Pages. I have not asked for and do not wish to exchange personal information with her at this time, on or off-Wiki, and I think I made that clear. I am only willing to discuss Misplaced Pages-related issues on and pages, not personal information.

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Personal_security_practices

"Misplaced Pages does not require you to provide personal information on userpages or elsewhere in the course of editing the encyclopedia. "

I see nowhere in the WP Guidelines that requires I provide my personal contact information to or have off-Wiki contact with another user.

Please do not misrepresent my statements.

76.169.140.29 (talk) 05:13, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Whitewashing Bob Day

I've reverted your contributions, I also notice I restored over 2,600 characters in doing so. This page has had a lot of issues lately with people trying to remove what they see as negative. Before making any controversial changes and to avoid edit wars, please discuss on the article talk page. Thanks. Timeshift (talk) 20:22, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

My Talk Page

Hello! I noticed that you removed two edits from my edit history and I'm confused. I imagine your intention is to protect me but I just wanted to make sure. OlYeller 20:05, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

RFPP Talkback

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Consensus for the link at Bob Day?

Bob Day (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

Timeshift has removed the link to http://bobday.com.au from this article seven times in the last few days:

20:09, 11 September 2010 (edit summary: "reverting fred's whitewash on this troublesome article.")
21:56, 12 September 2010 (edit summary: "rv - again major disagree over results, and looking at the website, it seems a site designed to attack this site, with no mention of who owns the site (bob day? a fan?)")
09:36, 14 September 2010 (edit summary: "nope")
15:30, 14 September 2010 (edit summary: "see talk and COI discussion")
01:21, 15 September 2010 (edit summary: "rv Fred - and which of the three at Misplaced Pages:ELYES#What_should_be_linked are you laughingly attempt to claim applies here? i'll say it YET AGAIN. talkpage WP:CONSENSUS is key, stop ignoring.")
04:07, 15 September 2010 (edit summary: "TALKPAGE DISCUSSION AND CONSENSUS please. This has STILL not happened. How can you even comment when you say Family First supports WorkChoices? You don't even know what you're arguing!")
21:43, 15 September 2010 (edit summary: "no consensus, nothing on website states website is owned by bob day, run by bob day, is his official site, or anything else. reasonable doubt. stays out.")

I have now warned him about the 3RR rule. I am trying to guess what would happen if you presented the issue at WP:AN3. The outcome would still be uncertain:

If the link is *unofficial*, there could theoretically be a BLP concern. This might be taken care of by a sufficiently thorough review on the article Talk, which hasn't happened yet. The site does appear to be 100% positive about Bob Day, so BLP seems an unlikely claim.
It is not certain there there is consensus to include the link.

Usually, when the link was restored, it was you who did so, which could make the 3RR reviewers think it's a two-person edit war. It would be better to clarify the opinion of the talk page editors about the link. There is at least one editor in favor (yourself), and perhaps as many as three. There is at least one editor against (Timeshift9), and perhaps as many as two. Somebody could write on the article talk and try to do a summary, including those who expressed an opinion at WP:ELN. Do you want to do that? An WP:RFC is possible but they usually take a lot of time. A more focused talk discussion might be enough. EdJohnston (talk) 23:09, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

The site is entirely an attack site against this article for reasons unknown (is he that insecure of his own political views?), and the site does not say it is owned or run by him. If it were to, I wouldn't have an issue. But creating an attack site against this article and not putting a name to it does NOT qualify as a valid external link. And to top it off, such a controversy hasn't even been discussed/resolved on the article's talk page. Where is the consensus to include the disputed link? If Fred actually followed wikipedia guidelines and went about discussion and consensus as he should, none of this would ever have happened. How many reports has Fred made to various wikipedia boards and dismissed him? Fred, it's time to pull your socks up. Timeshift (talk) 23:14, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Fred, I have asked at both ELN and WQA for other editors to get involved. I am relying on your assertion that Bob Day has claimed ownership of BobDay.com.au and that may not be enough for other ELN editors. Since you received an email from Bob Day (or his staff), it might be helpful if you could get him or his staff to insert a claim of ownership or authorization at the site. WQA is limited, especially against intransigent editors. I'll put your talk page on my watchlist. Vyeh (talk) 04:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Consensus discussion is occurring at Talk:Bob Day... obviously not by either of you two. I find it truly disappointing that you both continue to carelessly knowingly ignore wikipedia guidelines. This will be decided by consensus. If consensus goes against me, so be it. Timeshift (talk) 04:27, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Serious question

Can you explain your reasoning behind the (paraphrasing) 'weeks-long assumption that Bob Day was just whinging'? Timeshift (talk) 00:25, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Oh that's gold! So you are saying that the article was always biased, you are biased, you ignored the bias due to your bias, but when you attempted to make a few edits you encountered my bias and the reason for the biased nature of the article? :D Timeshift (talk) 00:36, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Note you're making edits and i'm not reverting them. I am not trying to control the article as you claim. I am simply fighting for segments where outright removal is not in the best interests. Considering your revelations in the past hour i'm sure consensus could be reached and everyone could move on. Timeshift (talk) 01:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Reply to talk page post

Personally I'm happy for him/her to be set aside from the sockpuppet issue - I was surprised by the link, and I'm still inclined to believe they're a different person, so we can deal with them as such. This person didn't engage in the crazy attacks on the other editors and did engage in good faith with suggestions made. Orderinchaos 05:15, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Alison Taylor

Sorry Fred, I kinda stepped on your toes there. I won't object if you restore the speedy, seems like we were nominating it through different processes at the same time, and I would assume for the same reason. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:53, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Misplaced Pages:Wikinfo

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Nomination of China National Highway 110 traffic jam for deletion

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Nomination of Packaged dry macaroni and cheese mix for deletion

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Foreign relations of Tibet

Dear Fred Bauder, I have translated in french the paragraphe Foreign_relations_of_Tibet#The_trade_delegation_of_1947. If I am correct, you contributed in writing it . Do you have any reference to it? This would be of help to me, since I was asked to provide references. With many thanks for your good work and for your help.--Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 13:09, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Many thanks for your response and indication. As far as I know this paragraph is correct and neutral. I will follow your work on the article and will add the reference in the french translation. All best wishes. --Rédacteur Tibet (talk) 15:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Great find

Anthony (talk) 17:22, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Curious about sockpuppetry

If it was confirmed that accounts are sockpuppets, why aren't the socks blocked? (I am watching this page, so please reply here.) — Timneu22 · talk 10:14, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

We don't automatically impose blocks on socks, if it seems a warning might be enough. If socking continues with these or other socks then a block should be imposed. Fred Talk 13:44, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Atlantic Wind Connection

This edit contains too much direct copying from the New York Times article you cite as a source. The detail added is welcome but paraphrasing is necessary to avoid extensive blocks of quoted text. Fred Talk 07:34, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Other than a few brief quotes from individuals that were put in quotation marks, there was no direct copying. All of the detail that was added was paraphrased from the articles cited as references. Can you point to what you believe was "direct copying" from The Times to the article? Alansohn (talk) 17:53, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

I will do my best to address your concerns while restoring the sourced material that had been deleted. Let me know if you have any further issues. Alansohn (talk) 23:28, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Links to Wikia

Hi, i was wondering about the link to Wikia.com: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Talk:Aneutronic_fusion&action=edit 'I know the Amazon is a "stream" Any reason to use an external link to wikia here or can I replace it to a link to http://en.wikipedia.org/Stream I am in the process of clearning up the wikia links. Mike James Michael DuPont (talk) 18:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

The point is that some terms such as "stream" are used technically. That point is clearly made in the Wikia article but not in our article. Changing it would vitiate the point I was making, which was not understood by anyone anyway; however, it's ancient history without any current relevance for any purpose other than maintaining an accurate history of editing. Fred Talk 18:38, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Atlantic Wind Connection

On 21 October 2010, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Atlantic Wind Connection, which you created or substantially expanded. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check ) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Eugenia B. Thomas K-8 Center

Many thanks for dealing with the revisions of Eugenia B. Thomas K-8 Center. Chzz ► 16:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Wakhan/Wakhan Corridor

There wasn't much (any) support for this merge when I proposed it in Feb 2008 - looking at the history of Wakhan Corridor, the merge tags got removed in April 2009, and since then there has been an effort to differentiate the subject matter of the 2 articles. The AKDN document cited on Wakhan Corridor does differentiate the two. But I agree that there is so much overlap in common usage that a merge would be sensible.

Can I suggest you also tag Wakhan and discuss your rationale on Talk:Wakhan, per WP:MM? We can then see if there is more support this time around. --Mhockey (talk) 22:41, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Kehrli new POV dispute

You were involved in an arbitration a couple years ago. ] A nearly identical behavior and dispute has arisen. ] I was wondering if you could pop in there and try to clearly define the scope and purpose of Misplaced Pages to Kehrli ] as apparently the outcome of the last dispute and the resulting ban did not make such things clear. To summarize: He/she has chosen a different obscure unit-like scaling procedure and is trying to synthesize a well defined unit based on selective use of a few literature examples in combination with the widely accepted rules of metrology. Very elegant work that might be a good idea, but novel nonetheless, and thus not for Misplaced Pages. I am not a primary participant in the dispute. He/she has also been going over much of the material that he/she was banned from (for 1 year) and is persisting in the course of action that he/she was banned for now that the ban is expired. I have not been policing these actions and the pages have fallen into subtly novel/POV pages.--Nick Y. (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

Olga Diaz

I see you made the article about Olga Diaz from the article i suggested to the Signpost. Lets see how long it lasts. Spongie555 (talk) 03:27, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Fred, about your question

Fred: I left you a message here: User_talk:Kehrli#Kehrli_new_POV_dispute —Preceding undated comment added 19:14, 2 November 2010 (UTC).

cite journal

Fred, I wouldn't know how to add a field to this template. Is this something we should raise on the template's talk page? --JN466 23:06, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I might be able to add it if there is agreement regarding Template:Cite journal, but it is specialized work. Fred Talk 23:17, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

An external link you added...

Hi Fred, this thread may be of interest to you. Regards! Franamax (talk) 23:05, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Outed again

Fred, people must love outing me. Will you please, I'm sorry to have to ask you, take care of it? Really, I'm so sorry. I thank you in advance. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 05:20, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I see even my town and state is there too. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 05:24, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

I've reverted, for the time being, my posting of excerpts from mainstream newspapers that quote, or are written by, a certain library activist. That activist is actively engaged in editing Misplaced Pages articles in his area of activism. We all know of cases where that kind of editing has turned out poorly, even where we might have supported the activist's causes. There are so many other topics, it's best to avoid those we feel most strongly about. Will Beback talk 10:24, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Excuse me, but how is it that an admin would not know not to out a user? Drrll (talk) 12:23, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

It is not that simple. The problem is how successfully address conflict of interest without doing so. It is not a trivial problem. Fred Talk 14:50, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Fred, his reverting his edits is not adequate as it remains in the edit history and I have no doubt that edit history will be used over and over to out me by reference.

As to the COI issues, the following is entirely relevant: User_talk:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling#COI. In particular, allow me to repeat one paragraph here:

"I further feel you are colluding with others to persecute me, one of whom is someone known to me to be defamatory to me and one other outside of Misplaced Pages in multiple and nefarious ways affecting our families and our good names, and over the course of years. It appears that he has obtained an unwitting ally in his efforts. You were concerned that 'his is looking increasingly like a battleground for off-wiki disputes.' Well your actions tell me you have four square joined someone in his battleground for off-wiki disputes, and that person may be acting illegally in his off-wiki battle. Will Beback, do not become his ally."

Thanks, Fred, and again I'm sorry we all have to be going through this. And I am very concerned that the person harassing me outside of Misplaced Pages in numerous ways for a long period of time has joined Misplaced Pages and has coopted Will Beback in his efforts to further harass and defame me. Fred, this is not a joke. Please consider having some kind of discussion with Will Beback. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 16:15, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

LAEC links to his blog and website from his user page, and those websites contain his name. So I don't see how posting that on Misplaced Pages is outing. I fail to see how there can be sufficient disclosure without identification. If an activist who is frequently quoted in newspapers does not feel comfortable revealing his name on Misplaced Pages then that activist should not be editing topics related to his activism. Will Beback talk 20:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

There is and has been for a while sufficient disclosure here: User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling#COI_notice. Further, depending on the circumstance, I reveal my COI again on various Talk pages. I'm not fooling anyone and no one is getting fooled. There are people from time to time, however, who seek to stop me from editing, and COI and outing me are some of the means they try to use to stop my editing. A newbie outing someone is understandable, but Will Beback has almost 100,000 edits. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 03:57, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

There was no outing since you link to your webpage on your userpage, and your webpage identifies you by name. You are frequently quoted in newspapers as the owner of that website. Now that I'm getting a better picture of the problem, it goes beyond simple COI and look more like advocacy. Editors have been banned for using Misplaced Pages as a platform for advocacy. There have been complaints about your editing for years. Soliciting meatpuppets on FreeRepublic, which you've done, is against policy. And that was just two weeks ago. Instead of addressing my complaints, you've accused me of belonging to some conspiracy against you and of gaining secret knowledge through nefarious means. You are free to edit topics in which you can edit neutrally. However your focus on Misplaced Pages has been on topics in which you are an activist, and your edits appear to be part of your advocacy. That's unacceptable. Since it appears that you will not listen to me either, maybe another RfC is necessary. Will Beback talk 08:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

And I just found this: Religious Internet Filters already in Public Schools, which asserts that the owner of SafeLibraries.org has a commercial relationship with American Family Association regarding library software. Will Beback talk 11:51, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Paid editing?

Both businesses share the same address, and both proprietors have the same first name. Will Beback talk 09:09, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Wow, a 4 year old comment in a Daily Kos! That's the evidence? A page having a comment that confuses me with another person having my name then accuses me of the things the other guy said? Let's be 100% clear. Except for the few pennies per week I get from Google clicks and except for a few people who have donated money to me, I receive no money for what I am doing with respect to either Misplaced Pages or my library-related activity. My activity is a big money loser for me, actually, but my payment comes in the form of the many thanks I get, the effect I have on various legislation nationwide, the ALA naming me as one of its top opponents, etc., things like that. I never have, I am not now, and I doubt I ever will earn money from what I am doing. And that includes the American Family Association. The AFA has given or paid me $0. I mean really. Look at that Wikipublicist cite. Really impressive, no? No, it's not.

By the way, I work on pages of any political persuasion, or no political persuasion. If I am not mistaken, the page I edit most at Misplaced Pages is Jay-Z, and I have even been awarded a barnstar for that work. Jay-Z is a library patron, so that must be why I worked so hard on his page and continue to monitor it.

Fred, are you starting to see why I am feeling WP:HOUNDed by Will Beback? --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 15:21, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Not really. He's addressing legitimate issues. However, what really matters is how you edit. Fred Talk 15:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I feel better about it then because I trust your experience with such issues. I will endeavor to continue to comply with all Wiki policy. Thank you. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 16:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

I haven't previously encountered this editor (as far as I know). The record shows that LegitimateAndEvenCompelling's edits are dominated by those to Christian conservative and censorship-related topics. His/her edit history shows a consistent pattern of using Misplaced Pages as a battleground and attempts to misuse Misplaced Pages policies and guidance to win arguments and silence opposition. This incident appears to fit this pattern. I see examples of WP:TEND and WP:HEAR as well as borderline incivility. In his/her own advocacy, a common tactic is to claim that others are using Misplaced Pages as a soapbox. Subsequent to LAEC's community sanction case that led to his/her indefinite block (reversed three months later), LAEC became more sophisticated and wary, but appeared to continue to edit as an advocate, for the most part.(Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Community_sanction/Archive12#Proposal_to_ban_User:LegitimateAndEvenCompelling_from_library-related_topics) LAEC's contributions to Talk:Southern_Poverty_Law_Center, archive2 and archive3 of that page, all from this year, provide many examples of this behavior. I think a topic ban is overdue. Walter Siegmund (talk) 21:20, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Could a topic ban be imposed without an arbitration case? Fred Talk 00:11, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

From Misplaced Pages:BAN#Community_bans_and_restrictions, it would seem that an arbitration case is not required. Walter Siegmund (talk) 00:34, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I'd originally thought of an RFC, but perhaps an AN thread would be more effective. There was already one RFC a couple of years ago, on basically the same issue. Will Beback talk 00:50, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

That SPLC matter is old history. I am actively involved on SPLC right now. Go ahead and find one problem with my editing there despite the obvious differences. Further, I edit pages of all political stripes. For example, for the co-author of "The Joy of Gay Sex," I got his photograph approved and posted on his page. You also have to admit that the issue really is that I am not afraid to edit where others are protecting pages. For example, ALA pages have been created and maintained to appear like Misplaced Pages copies of ALA pages. My input has led the effort to turn them into Wikiworthy pages. Is it my fault other people are using Misplaced Pages to promote their interests? Is it my fault the SPLC page now looks like an SPLC pamphlet and I am leading the effort to change that? People there are actually removing the BIAS tag and you're not supposed to, but I put it back up. Is that a problem to anyone here? You guys know exactly what it is like to edit on a page that someone or some group is protecting. That is what I do. Shall I stop? Sometimes people who oppose me realize what I'm doing and change their opinion of me. Like Orpheus. Is he wrong? I have gathered a number of opponents who can't stand that I am able to remove Media Matters for America references wherever they are strewn about by MMfA soapboxers. That's right, soapboxers. Numerous procedural actions were brought against me by numerous people. They all ended up on the losing end of the stick. Misplaced Pages needs more editors like me willing to do the right thing instead of being scared out by bullies protecting a page. Look at my edits and Talk page comments now on the Judith Reisman page. You see any problem there? The number of people who oppose me for purely political reasons it truly outstanding. Shall I be topic banned so that the soapboxers may continue to, for example, keep the SPLC page looking like an SPLC brochure? I led the effort to change the Censorware page to the Content-control Software page. I won a lot of enemies there. But it was the right thing to do and it remains to this day. Misplaced Pages is better. Should I have been topic banned on that one? People were going around and labeling people as homophobic by added the category Homophobia to anyone they opposed for soapbox reasons. Yes, soapbox. The community worked together to stop that soapboxing, and again it stands to this day. Again, I gained a lot of people who did not like me after that. Should I have been topic banned from improving Misplaced Pages in that case? So go ahead and pick and choose a spot or two where I have not been perfect, but who is, and it was probably out of innocence. You wanna topic ban me on all those pages I have improved despite the political headwinds precisely because I have tacked to the Misplaced Pages winds? Misplaced Pages has gotten a bad name for this kind of behavior, but I know it is not Misplaced Pages per se doing it, it is the soapboxers, and the Misplaced Pages rules enable me to steer clear of sanctions every time. I will continue to edit as I have been editing, and if you find any problems, raise them on the Talk page -- don't just seek a topic ban to make your life of protecting pages easier. Look at those people drooling to stop my editing. BAN, AN, RFC. It's really sick that they find my editing so offensive that they need to stop me from editing the pages I edit. Who's really being offensive? They don't even go to the Talk pages to discuss issues. No, skip over that. Go for the throat. It hasn't worked before and it won't work again, thanks to Misplaced Pages rules. --LegitimateAndEvenCompelling (talk) 00:54, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

There are some unanswered questions. Is LAEC using an alternate account for the Wikipublicist edits? And so on. He's blocked for a few days, and there's the holidays. So maybe an AN presentation next weekend. I'd been thinking of just asking for a topic ban on libraries and filtering software, but Siegmund makes the point that there are other topics where this editor has been outspoken. The editors rarely edits outside of his core interests so a full ban may be necessary, since there aren't any areas where he seems to be editing neutrally. Will Beback talk 14:14, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

I looked at LAEC's edits to Jay-Z, a non-political, non-censorship topic, over the last year. They appear to be constructive. I saw one post on the talk page over the same period. It seemed reasonable as well. To the extent that one can generalize by looking at one article, I would judge that LAEC can edit constructively on non-political, non-censorship topics.

On another topic, a recent post on Free Republic is a violation of WP :CANVAS, in my judgment. Please see (http://www.***blacklisted-domain-name***.com/tag/by:plan2succeedorg/index?brevity=full;tab=comments). Free Republic is aimed at a conservative audience and LAEC could be expected to know that s/he was canvasing the like-minded, not a general cross-section of Misplaced Pages editors. With LAEC's experience, s/he could be expected to be aware of CANVAS. That was the only instance I found, but it is consistent with a pattern of battleground behavior. Walter Siegmund (talk) 03:23, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

I only see nine edits to Jay Z in the past year, all on one day. Two years ago he made one quasi-political edit to the article.

The Free Republic matter is more serious. If you have any how a topic ban should be worded then that'd help. I'm collecting diffs. Will Beback talk 04:20, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Epsom College

Would you mind taking a look at the oversights on this article today to remove the person defamed/cyberbullied? You seem to have accidentally replaced the child's name. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 21:45, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Just a note

You have mail. Them From Space 12:15, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Block notice

Should this have a notice for the user's page or talk page? I don't see anything there informing the editor or page visitors. Thanks, Ocaasi (talk) 08:40, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Please comment

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Odd Comment

You left a comment on my user page that, frankly, surprises me. Perhaps it was in haste. Please assume "good faith" as per WP:CIV. In the aprox. 1,000 edits I have made in the last three years, I have never "promoted," or even mentioned my software. I have never tried to add my name or create an article about me or my software. I have never placed a link to any of my work as an external link. Those that exist have been placed there by others. I have added refs when someone has specifically requested a citation as the 900-some pages (more or less) on my sites (including the oldest such site on the web) are really the only sites available for some of this info. My 580 page book is FREE and contains none of the blinking casino affiliate ads you see on other related sites as I turn down all affiliate deals (which I am bugged about almost daily). In fact, there are no ads in the book. In the three years I have been here, no one before has ever challenged any of these links and I believe they fall within WP:COI and WP:SBS. If not, anyone is able to provide a civil response. I understand that one must be vigil about those many people, particularly in the casino-related pages, that are looking for links and do not realize it is pointless as all WP links are no-follow. That has never been my goal. I don't even trade links. Please, let us be civil and not make rash judgements. We are all volunteers.Objective3000 (talk) 03:32, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

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Rudolf Steiner

Hello Fred. See WP:AN3#User:Hgilbert reported by User:Masteryorlando (Result: ). I believe that Steiner's article was the subject of an Arbcom case a few years ago, and you played some role. The new contributor, Masteryorlando, seems very determined. His edits are being reverted by Hgilbert, who is one of the named participants in the case. It is hard to know whose opinion is more balanced. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 08:04, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

User:Timneu22

Leaving the new twist aside for the moment (at least until a CU gets there); I was unaware that RfCs about users could be conducted on their own talkpages. WP:RFC/U has instructions on how to start one; this ran rather contrary to that. I'm failing to see the logic in starting what essentially amounts to an RfCU on that user's talkpage; am I missing something here? The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 17:06, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

No, I think you're right. Sorry about that; I haven't done a Requests for comment for many years. User:Fred Bauder Talk 23:22, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

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You need to revise your evidence if you wish to remain as certifier for the reasons I note here. That is, if you've merely notified him and assisted in drafting the RfC/U, but haven't (yet) really made an attempt to discuss this directly with Timneu22 (like Kudpung evidently has), you would not qualify as a certifier for the RfC/U to proceed; that role would fall on Kudpung Whq & Jayen. Ncmvocalist (talk) 04:47, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

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User:The006

Do you have any suggestions on how to handle the edits made by The006 on http://en.wikipedia.org/2011_Chinese_protests? They removed good information from the Reactions -> International section and replaced it with content that isn't written in an encyclopedic tone (e.g. starting a sentence with "And" and no citations for some statements). You had removed this content but the user added it back. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.163.177 (talk) 06:21, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

We can try talking to them on the talk pages. It is not the references or information that is at issue but the debate mode. However, part of the information, indeed nearly all of it is already in the article. User:Fred Bauder Talk 11:35, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for responding and also bringing this up on the article's talk page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.118.163.177 (talk) 02:36, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Discontinued post office

Thanks for starting this & fleshing it out. Unexpectedly, quite interesting! Best regards, Pete Tillman (talk) 01:05, 7 March 2011 (UTC), a (long-ago) stamp collector

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Hi Fred! I thought I should let you know that you've been mentioned and one of your edits is being discussed here. Cheers, – OhioStandard (talk) 01:50, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Yo, Mr Bauder, over here

See my page for reply.

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heh. 75.57.242.120 (talk) 22:23, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

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I've resent it. bahamut0013_deeds 11:12, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Ph(x)

I deleted the court order from the talk page at PH(x) because as a primary legal document naming living people, I assume its a WP:BLPPRIMARY violation even on a talk page. Possibly should be rev-del'd as well? Jonathanwallace (talk) 17:50, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Unblock request of Roland0469

Hello Fred Bauder. Roland0469 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), whom you have blocked, is requesting to be unblocked. The request for unblock is on hold while waiting for a comment from you. I can't assess the unblock request myself as the evidence has been oversighted. Assuming you don't want to review your own block, perhaps it would be possible for you to give me sufficient information to make a judgement by email. If not, then to have it assessed by an independent person you could perhaps ask another oversighter to look at it. Or maybe you have a third way of doing it. JamesBWatson (talk) 00:31, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

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Revdel

Thanks! Drmies (talk) 01:22, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Since you're obviously looking in.

Could I ask you to confirm on WP:ANI that the edit of mine that Alsion oversighted included no personally identifying information about anyone. Thanks, and sorry to bother. Hipocrite (talk) 01:07, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Amway Australia

Fred I am EXTREMELY upset by your post on the COI page. I DO NOT "regularly engage in public relations work ... on behalf of Amway" and never have. This allegation is completely and utterly false. User FG222 is posting these false allegations on his blog and here on wikipedia and it is utterly unprofessional of you to repeat them, especially when I appealed to oversight to help stop the false allegations being published. --Insider201283 (talk) 14:12, 29 April 2011 (UTC) I have not posted "my blog"?? For him to claim what is "my site" is outing me. Insider outed himself here last year in regards to some site ownership, has made some claims here of standard Amway relationship, and with subsequent identities he has outed here, other claims are verifiable though seemingly contradictory. I will not speculate on speculative relationship claims. Financeguy222 (talk) 14:39, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

AE

I have appealed your AE decision and you may reply here. TFD (talk) 01:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

TFD

Is the indefinite ban on TFD editing articles relating to any minority peoples in the Soviet Union inclusive of article talk pages or user talk pages where such issues are discussed, or only to actual edits on those articles proper? And is the term "minority peoples" broadly defined (that is, including nations where were formerly part of the USSR, but where the peoples are not "minority" in the current nation? I am not trying to be a nudge, but wanted to be entirely clear. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

The trouble originated at Talk:Lia Looveer which is an excellent example of the sort of trouble which results from TFD's acting in this way, so, yes, it includes talk pages. The term minority peoples of the Soviet Union includes every nationality other than Russian which was included in the Soviet Union such as Latvians, Estonians, Karelians, Baltic and Volga Germans, Crimean Tatars, Ukrainians, Lithuanians, particularly those who were impacted by mass deportation and the Nazi invasion. By its literal terms it includes all Soviet minorities, but many were not affected by those events and would be unlikely to be the target of ideological attacks against anti-communist emigres. Actually it probably should include Russian emigres also who are also potential victims of this sort of guilt by association, sometimes simply because they were prisoners of war. User:Fred Bauder Talk 13:24, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Third Opinion

Hey Fred, you gave an initial third opinion at User_talk:Colonies_Chris#Update_on_Lists_of_state_leader_by_years.3F. Since then both me and Chris have replied. One other person has replied, but his reply was extremely short, and i also noticed that he might be partial to Chris, as they both seem to be part of a group of editors that focuses on amongst other things, delinking stuff. So, i was wondering if you could provide a further opinion? Omegastar (talk) 15:20, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

"It is policy to remove all contributions by socks of banned or blocked editors."

Whereas I agree with what you say regarding the socks, I am not sure the policy states that. The WP:3RR mentions banned users only and says nothing about socks. Maybe we can think about addition of socks to this policy?--Paul Siebert (talk) 17:35, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

YGM

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The appeal of your action in WP:AE#Vecrumba

Hello Fred. While I agree that some action in this case was appropriate, I wonder if you would consider shortening TFD's topic ban to one year. A check of Misplaced Pages:DIGWUREN#Log of blocks and bans shows that indefinite bans are not common. Long bans are sometimes imposed after shorter bans have not worked. Thanks, EdJohnston (talk) 14:09, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

TFD

The admonitions by three separate admins regarding his AE actions do not count as "warnings"? I rather thought them quite clear that his behaviour was a problem, and that the "next time" he did anything, he would be strongly sanctioned. Also he was clearly aware of the Digwuren sanctions as he appealed his notification thereof :). Collect (talk) 19:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC) Note also that one of them (Ed Johnston) weighed in just above - suporting a one year topic ban. Collect (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

TFD was already formally warned and placed on notice on October 14, 2010, see Misplaced Pages:DIGWUREN#List_of_editors_placed_on_notice --Martin (talk) 06:44, 4 May 2011 (UTC) PS. I don't want to see TFD topic banned indefinitely, but I don't think he should get off with yet another warning. --Martin (talk) 06:56, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

IRC help question

Fred, there was a heated appeal for reconsideration in the IRC help channel yesterday about Al-Bassa and some other 1948 Haganah related articles. I got as far as that Cecil Roth is not being allowed in the article and the editor claimed that modern historians agreed with Roth but that they were not being allowed either. What was the deal there? Ocaasi 02:29, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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Revdel at Murder of James Bulger?

Hey there. Not sure what your view is, but that recent edit at Murder of James Bulger might need revdel or oversight if we're worried (rightly) about misidentification? Just a thought, I'll leave it with you. Ged UK 14:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

YGM

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Cruel and unusual punishment?

Hi Fred. I noticed that you blocked 69.126.238.184 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) indefinitely. The IP has certainly earned a lengthy block for its BLP transgressions, but it was my impression that IPs are never blocked indefinitely. Could it be a mistake? Best, Favonian (talk) 14:03, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Fixed. Thank you. User:Fred Bauder Talk 14:11, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

TFD's appeal at AE

It appears that this discussion has run out of gas. So far, two reviewing admins have expressed disagreement with the ban, and none were in favor. Do you want to lift your ban, or propose something different? Incidentally thank you for participating at AE. All former arbitrators are welcome :-). EdJohnston (talk) 15:29, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Disappointed

You know, Fred, I always thought you were one of the more clear minded and big picture guys around here, but this is disappointing. You are picking up on a good editor, and ignoring the SPI/sock issues. This is very much "lets focus on the letter of the policies and ignore their spirit and the good of the project" bureaucratic attitude ("I don't care if you discovered a terrorist nuclear plot, you filled in the wrong form to report this and you'll be fined for that") that I did not expect from you :( --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:06, 7 May 2011 (UTC)