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Neutral notification

As somebody who took part in the previous move discussion, you may be interested in the current move discussion here. Varsovian (talk) 17:10, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

1938 rename of East Prussian placenames

Hello Skäpperöd. Somebody suggested that 1938 rename of East Prussian placenames might be a good candidate for WP:DYK, but it's a little short at 1200 characters. Do you think you could expand the article a little bit to bring it to 1500 characters? Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 21:31, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

I added a short section on parallel renaming in Silesia. Perhaps the scope and title of the article is better changed to be more general than just East Prussia. BTW, the source I added also has information on the subsequent renaming by Polish authorities after the war which could be useful in the parallel article.radek (talk) 21:56, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Thank you Radeksz. It's long enough for DYK now. I suppose you should raise the question of scope and title on the article's Talk page. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 22:23, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I've nominated 1938 rename of East Prussian placenames, an article you worked on, for consideration to appear on the Main Page as part of Misplaced Pages:Did you know. You can see the hook for the article here, where you can improve it if you see fit. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 22:32, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Lancken-Granitz dolmens

DYK for 1938 rename of East Prussian placenames

good to know

that Misplaced Pages already had an article http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Chy%C5%BCans&diff=next&oldid=374239532. However, when redirecting, can you please remember to carry over inter'wiki links and the like. Radek — Preceding unsigned comment added by Radeksz (talk • contribs)

Peace at fifty?

Thank you very much - I think I wrote many more articles about treaties, but I haven't counted either. Much appreciated Skäpperöd (talk) 13:22, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Archaeologists discover Britain's 'oldest house

This story was posted to the BBC News Website, you may find it of interest

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-10929343

--Woogie10w (talk) 22:25, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.

Your harassment

I leave the project. Too much harassment and stalking. I did like to do disambiguation work, fixing lots of wrong incoming links to ambiguous article titles etc. Hope the stalkers can have a nice party now. ADIOS! Schwyz (talk) 10:55, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Good bye. Skäpperöd (talk) 13:47, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

Hello again? I do not oppose you coming back and do uncontroversial dab work, but not like that. Skäpperöd (talk) 06:49, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

A good day

My compliments for keeping your nerve in a big moving thing today. Good editor. Here is my Written Barnstar. -DePiep (talk) 01:44, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Thank you! I appreciated your comments, too. Skäpperöd (talk) 04:48, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Veste Landskron

You can set the record straight. Go for it.

Skapperod you are there, what can you tell us about this surge of Neo-Nazi activity in your backyard?

NDR online is interesting, the world has gotten a lot smaller with the internet

BTW I am giving you an opening to point out that most people in Germany today condemn the Neo-Nazis. Too many people in here in the US believe that the Germans are still Nazis. You can set the record straight. Go for it.--Woogie10w (talk) 15:44, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

I wonder what record am I supposed to set straight??? You were asking about the "surge", and I am glad you moved the comment here because the article talk page is not suitable for that kind of conversation. First, it is not a surge, rather a small, but persistent annoyance. The neo Nazis here are a small, heterogeneous group. Part of them are violent, loud and seemingly disorganized (small local groups not subordinate to any larger association). The degree to which they actually are neo Nazis varies considerably, some are just using Nazi symbols to some extend but are not really involved with the ideology. Others are members of local NPD groups, who atm are trying to avoid violent acts of their members (with limited success) to present a more right-wing-populist and less Nazi-like image. Others are organized in small splinter parties who periodically get banned and altogether are insignificant and unknown. Politicians and NGOs of all coleurs have been trying to ban the NPD for years now, but the Verfassungsschutz had inadvertedly torpedoed the last ban initiative by infiltrating the NPD to such a degree that the case failed when brought before the supreme court (and only the court has the power to ban parties). The occasional rallies of the far right largely do not consist of local neo Nazis, but of participants who travel there from other parts of the state, and even that way they do not achieve significant levels of particpation. These people are usually escorted by the police from the trains or busses they arrive with, the police then herds them through the prepared route which is usually far away from main roads, take anyone into custody who shows any kind of illegal behavior (pretty much everything to do with Nazism is illegal in Germany), and then escorts them back to the train/bus station and disperse the group. The police is really doing a good job on this. That way, such rallies are barely noted and their impact is about zero. Maybe you understand better now why I do not want that these rallies get an attention here that's being successfully denied to them in RL. Skäpperöd (talk) 16:34, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

RL?--Woogie10w (talk) 16:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

real life, the wonderful universe outside of the virtual dungeons of wikipedia. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:01, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

As Columbo would say Just one more thing Why do you spend so much time in the virtual dungeons of wikipedia? --Woogie10w (talk) 17:52, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Lost a ring. Skäpperöd (talk) 08:28, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

I think a guy named Bilbo now has it.radek (talk) 08:40, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Mass suicide in Demmin

Hi Skäpperöd, Thanks for your message. It's nice that we were both correct and incorrect. Best wishes, Ericoides (talk) 18:41, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Demmin 1945

Thank you for taking the time to explain the background of the current events in MVP. I now have a better understanding of the political situation there and how it relates to Germany’s tragic past. One observation that I would like to make regarding the You-Tube clips of the marches in Demmin, in my opinion the young people in those public demonstrations may be the target of police surveillance. Based on my knowledge of Germany it could also have a negative impact on their careers.

Thank you again for taking time to answer my postings, wishing you all the best. Regards --Woogie10w (talk) 00:42, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

You are welcome. The young people are probably not target of surveillance, the ones with the ties - most definetely. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:38, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I have no doubt that they are on Misplaced Pages also, anybody can edit.

Überwachungsstaat Deutschland

Innenminister Lorenz Caffier setzt Initiative “Wehrhafte Demokratie” fort!

--Woogie10w (talk) 18:15, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Radical ties could also have a negative impact on the careers of young people --

Woogie10w (talk) 18:27, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

I am not sure I understand what you want to tell me with that - I am aware of the above, but what is the subject you want to talk about? Their impact on wikipedia? From my experience, that is about zero. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:34, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

My point is that the article may attract police attention because the issue of May 8th 1945 is a hot potato in MVP (auf deutsch ein heisses Eisen). In my opinion it would be best to point out the NPD exploitation of the issue and the current efforts of the MVP government to combat Neo-Nazi activity in Demmin. --Woogie10w (talk) 19:50, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

You wrote Their impact on wikipedia? From my experience, that is about zero Nobody saw the Stasi, but you knew they were there.--Woogie10w (talk) 19:55, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Meine Meinung war nicht von ungefahr

Deutsch Humor ist die beste

--Woogie10w (talk) 12:09, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Of course the police are patrolling the web, it would be a shame if they wouldn't. I also like the haGalil approach though, they are doing a good job.

Re "Deutsch Humor ist die beste" - arguably, not. Skäpperöd (talk) 12:55, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

I do not know what is going on upstairs. I just play the piano downstairs. --Woogie10w (talk) 14:07, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Megaliths in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern

Steinbach

Hi, I just made an edit at Erika Steinbach. You may want to contribute there since you have access to the German media reports on her resignation. Regards--Woogie10w (talk) 12:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Second Northern War

Sounds ok. The chapter covers the time when Cossack Hetmanate was allowed to conduct an independent foreign policy trying to secure its brittle sovereignty, while being involved in what could have been an early partition of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth. Apparently there was a split in the Polish society at that time with possibly Poland becoming a protestant state. Russia sided with Poland, while it was contradicting the recent treaties with Zaporizhia. The single page that I mentioned is the first of that chapter which covers about three pages. A sort of similar situation situation took place in eastern Poland when the Swedish Karl XII "strolled" through the region. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 20:49, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

"strolled" was a good one :) I modified the ref slightly, thanks Skäpperöd (talk) 22:10, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi

I've filed a request for mediation here .radek (talk) 21:08, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

AE request involving you

I mention you here. Varsovian (talk) 14:24, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Signature

U forgot to sign this:--Jacurek (talk) 23:59, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Thomas Kantzow

The historic matrikel of the University of Rostock are online, Kantzow is mentioned here (WS 1525/26). HerkusMonte (talk) 19:29, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Great, thank you! Skäpperöd (talk) 09:53, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

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Template change

I have integrated Template:Campaignbox Livonian War into Template:Livonian War treaties and moved the latter to Template:Campaigns and treaties of the Livonian War. Since it's used twice in your userpages, I thought this notice wouldn't go amiss. For the time being, the campaignbox will remain, but I should want it deleted redirected as soon as possible. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:01, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey Grandiose. I appreciate your efforts to combine the templates, yet I am afraid that this is not going to get consensus. Campaignboxes always had this fixed standartized width and are supposed to fit under the infobox, also (to my dismay) treaties are not usually combined with battles. I guess it would be a good idea to discuss that at some military noticeboard first, since it would become a precedent for combining further campaign and treaty templates for other wars. My feeling though is that the military guys won't like the idea, that's why whenever I created a treaties navbox I only put an unobtrusive bar on the bottom of the corresponding campaign templates, containing the link, hoping nobody would mind that decent bar...

Personally, I think that treaties are likewise and sometimes even more important than battles for the course of a war, and should be included in campaignboxes. But we are talking MOS and MLHIST traditions here, and I don't have much experience with either.

Another unrelated issue: You removed some footnotes here as "unnecessary" - I disagree. It's better to have more footnotes, since people might want to verify a sentence or gather more information about the respective fact, but may only have access to one of the books referenced. Since wikipedia has unlimited amounts of server space, removal is not necessary - if there are too many footnotes piling up behind a sentence, one can combine them into one footnote instead. I'd like to restore the references. Best regards Skäpperöd (talk) 17:33, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

I'll put it to wider consensus when I get the chance. (Oh, and the footnotes can stay for now, there's no rush.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 20:21, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Livonian War

"following the double election of Batory's fiancèe Anna Jagiellon and Maximillian II in 1655." Surely not? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 17:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Huh, most certainly not. Thank you for bringing this to my attention, I changed it already. I am pleased with the way the article has developed, do you still want to bring it up one more level? Iirc you mentioned FAC somewhere... Skäpperöd (talk) 19:15, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes, although there's no rush. (FA-quality demands a level of detail which if one were to pick and chose which bits one ramped up the detail on, you'd end up with an unbalanced article. Best to leave the article feasible after any change.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 22:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Request

I'd appreciate it if you could blank or refactor your ArbCom statement here to remove personal attacks and other unfair accusations. EE battlegrounds will not dissipate till editors apply WP:FORGIVE and stop giving others a reason to think "this guy tried to get me at AN(I)/AE/ARBCOM/etc. and now I have to get back at him, or at least show everybody else how evil he is." Each time editor A criticizes editor B, it becomes that much harder for editor B to keep assuming good faith about editor A. On the other hand, each time editor A stays quiet, avoiding criticizing former opponents, the axe becomes buried deeper, not to mention the times where editors A and B compliment each other or collaborate (and on that lines, I am happy to publicly state that I respect your content contributions and activity in copyright project, I wish you to be more active, and have no wish to see you restricted, even criticized, in any shape or form). Please consider that. Thank you, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:59, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Livonian War - GA

Yes, great that we have brought it to GA. I am certainly open to expanding it more, but I can't help with all the MOS stuff required for FA . Skäpperöd (talk) 16:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Liberated territories

Something similar is going on in Curzon line and related articles. Greetings, - - Ziegenspeck (talk) 15:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Notice

Please do not use my former account name in your edits. I've changed it for a reason, due to off-wiki harassment, as was my right to do so. Since you in particular were responsible for the spreading of the information which outted myself as well as my family members and friends personal info on Misplaced Pages, you in particular should be extremely careful about these kinds of statements.

I'm extending this notice as a courtesy, since I notified others. In those cases however there was little question that they were acting in good faith. Don't use the former account name and redact instances where you did so recently. Thanks. Volunteer Marek  20:32, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

First: The only one who ever posted your alleged real name on-wiki was you. That I once alerted arbcom to a post of yours where you copied part of your inbox on-wiki while proxying for your topic banned EEML-friend Molobo was necessary to record your continuous off-wiki-coordinated tag teaming, and did not involve any outing on my part.

Second, I doubt that you have the right to demand that your former username may not be mentioned anymore: at least with respect to me, you continue the aggressive behaviour and tag teaming that got you in trouble under your former username. That's not a WP:CLEANSTART. If you want a clean start, start clean. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to ignore the personal attacks and false accusations. Basically, I'm asking you this as a courtesy, like I asked others - none of whom had any problem with it. If you don't want to be courteous, that's your choice, but I will regard such behavior in the future as incivil (not to mention completely unnecessary). Volunteer Marek  16:59, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

File:Flag pomerania.PNG

Hello. You have created File:Flag pomerania.PNG, and I want to ask you for source, that this flag was based on. Especially I'm interested in hue (tint) of the blue colour, and proportions. Thank You for answers. JDavid (talk) 15:34, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if there are any "official" tints or proportions, as it is a regional flag, not a state flag. It is however integrated in the Flag of Mecklenburg-Vorpommern, where the Pomeranian blue and white is combined with the Mecklenburgian red-yellow-blue, as are the CoAs of Mecklenburg (Ox) and Pomerania (Griffin). I guess the colors and proportions used in that flag are the only official hint you get, although there may be some official layout from the pre-1945 province of Pomerania (which I suppose would be moot now). The flags actually hoisted throughout Pomerania have the whole spectrum from dark to light blue, though the lightest ones are most probably bleached (plenty of wind, salty air and sunshine here). I don't think it matters much what kind of blue is used, as long as it's blue and white, and I am not sure whether there actually is some official body defining the blue tint. At the flag-of-Mecklenburg-Vorpommern article, I found this useful link though. Regards Skäpperöd (talk) 12:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I just realized you are from Pomerania, too, so I apologize for telling you about the wind and salty air here... Skäpperöd (talk) 13:04, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes. And page gives us an information that the Mecklenburg-West Pomerania government has made some specification sheet, and I want to find it. But I'm not a German, so it's really difficult for me. I just want to present verifiable information, like legislated, established flag. If it really is. Could you help me? JDavid (talk) 14:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't know what specification sheet he is referring to either, and since he gave no hint at all, I don't even know where to start searching. It could be an answer to his private request or anything. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:55, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Site gives us the sources like those publcations:

• Hellmuth Hecker, Günter Hoog : Deutsche Flaggen: Sammlung von Vorschriften zum Flaggenrecht Deutschlands und der deutschen Küstenländer. 1978, ISBN 3-7875-2132-1 = ISBN 978-3-7875-2132-6
• Jürgen Arndt: Wappen und Flaggen des Deutschen Reiches und seiner Bundesstaaten (1871-1918) ISBN 3-921846-81-1 = ISBN 978-3-921846-81-10 , 3 editions (1979 ... 1988)

list of libraries in Germany:
→ Hecker & Hoog book
→ Arndt book only Dortmund

I think those books can help to explain everything. Other good thing could be a sending an email to Mecklenburg-Vorpommern Government or email to Landtag Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. JDavid (talk) 19:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

I found the specification sheet of the Mecklenburg-Vorpommern government, passed on 17 Dec 1996, enacted in May 1998. The flag of the Pomeranian part of the state is accordingly defined as follows:

• format 25:15
• blue: CMYK 100/10/0/0; HKS 48; RAL 5015
• white

The specification sheet is online:

• black-and-white copy with explanation
• colored copy of the sheet only in pdf format
• colored copy of the sheet only in jpg format

Note that these specifications are the current ones of the MV government - as far as I am aware, no such detailed specification existed before. This is a link to an 1889 encyclopedic entry simply giving "blue/white" as the Pomeranian colors based on a Prussian cabinet's order of 22 Oct 1882 (bottom right). Skäpperöd (talk) 12:26, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Colours

I have found a high quality specification the same like links above, but it's PDF file with vector images. So I tried to find an accurate colour from specification, and it was a big problem because:

•   CMYK 100/10/0/0 -- very very light blue colour
•   HKS 48 -- little dark blue colour (from Corel Draw X3)
•   RAL 5015 -- dark blue colour (from 1st source 2nd source)
•   RAL 5015 -- dark blue colour (from RAL gemeinnützige GmbH)

Because there are such many colour interpretations and none of them is not simmilar with Hellblau (lightblue colour) I have taken colour directly from "Ein Land - ein Bild" PDF file (with vector files)

•   lightblue RGB 0/168/223 -- Hellblau.

But do you have an access to Act Decision on 17 Dec 1996, or Act Law from May 1998? JDavid (talk) 17:17, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

The problem with the differing colors is impossible to solve sufficiently because of the differing output devices:

• CMYK is not the actual color, but a command to mix ink in cartriges - what color you actually get depends on the medium (kind of paper, kind of clothes) you print on or your type of monitor and its settings.
• In contrast, HKS and RAL are defined color standards, but to actually view them you have to get (buy) samples from the respective institutions/enterprises. And even if you get your monitor to show a color matching HKS 48 or RAL 5015, other monitors won't display them alike except if they are 100% identical with yours in model, condition and settings (impossible).

The solution is, in my view, to lower our standards in a way that we are satisfied with a color somewhat approaching, not matching, HKS 48 and/or RAL5015. You already did a very good job on this with the flag shown above. I fail to see how you would achieve an even better result. Skäpperöd (talk) 13:05, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank You :) I also wondered about File:Provinz Pommern flag.svg. I thought that I would have found a good colour. But every source of good colour is mistaken. For example Marcus Schmöger from FOTW used just CMYK colours from Vorpommern flag specifications, and also had thought that colour was wrong, so he changed him as for his original research. Colour is so also very bright, and not equal with computer screen CMYK. Current colour of this flag is just my mistake, but I think it is compromise between File:Vorpommern flag.svg and FOTW version. Probably the best verifiable result could be blue colour from Jürgen Arndt's (and Hugo Strohl) book. Anyway I made everything that I can. :) JDavid (talk) 14:36, 8 March 2011 (UTC) PS. I think File:Flag pomerania.PNG could be tagged with {{db-f8}} or another.

To Skäpperöd

Dearest, just would like to express my appreciation and adoration to you after reading many discussion about Pommern. You have many supporters between members of academia and between old pommeranians as well. I wish you good luck and lots of love, S v. Pommern

Thank you. My grandparents had a Tarnow poem at the wall reading

Mötst di nich argern, hett keinen Wiert,

Mötst di blot wunnern wat all passiert.

Mötst ümmer denken de Lüd sünd nich klook,

Jeder hett Grappen, du hest se ok.

Mötst di nich argern, Hett keinen Sinn,

Ward di blot schaden un bringt di nix in,

Ward an di fräten as Qualm un Rook.

Is't nahst vergäten, büst grad so klook.

Mötst di nich argern is Unrecht di dahn,

Haug mal up'n Disch - un glieck is't vergahn.

Kort is dien Leben un lang' büst du dod,

Minsch, blot nich argern, ne, lachen deit good!

Skäpperöd (talk) 12:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Vielen Dank, it is absolutely beautiful! I shall show it to my relatives and we could enjoy it together. I would like to register me with wiki and would be delighted to be in contact with you and possibly to contribute some materials which we constantly discover in old books (most of my interest is of course Pommern) 86.167.131.59 (talk) 18:42, 2 March 2011 (UTC) S. v. Pommern

You are welcome to register. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:51, 3 March 2011 (UTC)

Stralsund Hauptbahnhof

Thanks for edits. Nice to know that somebody reads my translations.--Grahame (talk) 00:30, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome. I admire people who write articles knowing that most readers will be maintenance bots, but write them anyway for the sake of freedom and accessibility of information. I admit that I wrote several such articles myself... Skäpperöd (talk) 13:17, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Kroczyhski Hieronim doesn't exist

Please correct your error.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 15:20, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

The "h"-typo was corrected to proper "ń" long before you posted here. Skäpperöd (talk) 17:08, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Thoughts?

Catalogue Regional Library of Mecklenburg Vorpommern

Title: Der Feldzug in Polen

Author: Lettow-Vorbeck, Oscar von *1839-1904*

Published: Berlin : Mittler, 1893

Extent: XV, 209 S. : Ill., zahlr. Kt. + 2 Beil.

Collective title: Der Krieg von 1806 und 1807 / bearb. von Oscar von Lettow-Vorbeck ; Bd. 3

--Woogie10w (talk) 17:28, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Stars/galaxy

Wow, it is very very pretty. Thank you! :) Renata (talk) 22:02, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

You are welcome, the stars are well-deserved. Skäpperöd (talk) 09:59, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Siege of Kolberg (1807)

I sincerely raplied in some detail to 3o requests at Talk:Siege of Kolberg (1807) and I hope this helps alleviate some of the controversy there. I see you have some history of disputes with the editor Volunteer Marek. Perhaps you see him/her as excessively advancing a Polish agenda or of other bad-faith practices, but, really, there is not much in this particular article that is worth a controversy of any kind. Picture sizes and caption details of what to most people are obscure figures from the Naploenoic War seems like only minor details when you probably have a lot more new information to contribute to Misplaced Pages which isn't covered elsewhere. I am happy to reduce the discontent and lessen disputes if you let me, but I also invite you to consider how much your time is worth and how little this dispute in this article means to 99.9% of Misplaced Pages readers, or how little these disputes play into the overall message of the article. You have a lot of ability and interest in relevant subjects, it seems something of a detour to me when I see you are worried over a 75 versus 90 picture size of tertiary figures in history. Thanks for your many efforts in this article and to Misplaced Pages generally, I'll be happy to stay involved here as long as my appearance is valued. Leidseplein (talk) 05:07, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Siege of Kolberg (1807)

It was also featured on Portal:Germany, archived. If you have more DYK related to Germany, feel free to place it there yourself. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Wikibreak

I'm afraid due to real life I'll have to stay away from Misplaced Pages for a few days. Bad timing I know, but the FA looks like it'll be waiting for my return. You could ask for help from others if you want to get as much done as possible in the next few days. Copyeditor maybe? Thanks. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 18:33, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

I see what I can do, FA will probably take some time anyway. Enjoy your break. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:38, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

OK, I'm back. Do you want to continue with the FA or withdraw it, work on it a bit, then maybe go via A class review? That's what I was thinking, but if you wish to persevere, so will I. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 07:49, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

That was a short break...

It's your nom, so you decide. I think it was a bit too early, but on the other hand, that is what I thought about the GA nom, too, and it worked out.

I would not withdraw now, but address the valuable input of Nikkimaria, Renata3 and Dank (the EEML comments don't need to bother you). Renata3 has already said she is going to fix some issues, and she is good at that. I will pay attention too atp, and as I see it, most of the issues are manageable. What none of the commentators monitored so far, but what I regard the main issue with the article, is that the lead is not an accurate summary/introduction and should be rewritten by a native English speaker. Skäpperöd (talk) 11:09, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

I am a native English speaker! Seriously, though, perhaps it needs work but I can't do as it is it stands as my work. I'm going to withdraw the, primarily because I can't see it passing even if we account for all the points, it has too much baggage. The list of things needing improvement is helpful - at my talk, Dank suggested I/we take it to A class review, which might be helpful in determining those things which are actually required. The problem with a slightly-off but almost FAC is that when people find actual faults, it encourages them to throw in their personal preferences as well. I'll make sure the withdrawal goes through first though. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 13:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Ok then, but before you take it somewhere else or put it up for FA again I'd suggest that we wait some time and address everything pointed out at FAR first, without a hurry, and I hope that Renata3 will nevertheless go over the article, too. Skäpperöd (talk) 15:43, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Yup, I'm working on it. Might take some time to get the sources through. Essentially I'll try to trime the FAR points to a manageable level before getting further input. It is mostly the suggestions of incompleteness and/or inaccuracy I'm most worried about, so I'll need to find the sources again to cover my back. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 15:47, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Could you possibly replace the Journal of Central European Affairs ref with what you make of this (and potentially the next page). With my OK level of German, it looks to say the same thing, but I think it would be helped as a reference if it was done by an actual German speaker. Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 16:30, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll have a look... Skäpperöd (talk) 17:33, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I added it as a ref for the sale, because everything about that is in there; it lacks however the part about the recognition by the PLC. Skäpperöd (talk) 18:05, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

In this edit a while back you introduce "Stone (1991)", is that the same book as "Stone (2001)"? AN oversight on your part, perhaps, or is something else going on? Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 18:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sture Murders

History of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth

Great work. There are however large parts that still need references, are you going to add them as soon as you are finished? If you are writing from memory or from a university course script, I could help you out with adding refs. I noted you are currently working on the Swedish war, I could add refs to that from RI Frost and P Englund - if you want me to, just drop me a note as soon as you are done with that chapter. If you are going to add refs by yourself, nevermind. Best Skäpperöd (talk) 15:40, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The History of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth (1569-1648 and 1648-1764) articles are finished, if there are references or other things that you'd like to add, that would be great. Orczar (talk) 14:49, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

I found no paragraph left unsourced. Great work, and fun to read. The series is good, there is only gnomish work left. Again, great job! Skäpperöd (talk) 10:13, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

3o

Third opinion is used only in discussions between two editors. Since more than two editors are involved in discussion I have removed your request per instructions issued on the start of the page.--MyMoloboaccount (talk) 10:30, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• 7:39 I start a new section
• 8:03 Radeksz replies
• 10:09 I ask for 3O
• 10:11 I post on talk that I have asked for a 3O
• 10:12 Molobo adds a short line that he agrees with Radeksz (surprise surprise)
• 10:19
• 10:28 Molobo removes 3O entry, e/s: third opinion provided, the discussion is now between more than two editors-as per guidance on the start of the page I am removing the request
• 10:30

Molobo, 3O is for neutral, outside input. You are not neutral, outside input. Skäpperöd (talk) 11:59, 9 May 2011 (UTC)