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WikiHug

Ive been researching the cure to narcolepsy since its diagnosis derailed my neuroscience education almost a decade ago (ugly details at help.AaronBale.com) and ive only recently found the real cure with our unofficial WikiHug project. Its probably too late to salvage much for myself but I want the debilitating "neurocage" to stop. Can i ask for your advice on the realistic possibilities and barriers in a fullscale "wikihug" iniative? A sort of evolution of the current unsustainable support group systems. Altho I can clearly see the "cageness" of problems, I cannot see the real solution to unlocking them. I can invite you to our secret facebook narcolepsy group to see what we have so far (As a honorary invite that I would personnaly vouch for of course because we rarely invite PWONs) Would that be too big a bite for you to chew on? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ARKBG1 (talk • contribs) 20:35, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Oops. --ARKBG1 (talk) 20:36, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi. While I'm all in favor of Wikihugs, and evolution of a supportive and thoughtful environment at Misplaced Pages, I'm afraid your post contains a lot of terminology that I don't really understand. I don't know what a 'neurocage' is, nor the 'cageness' of problems, I have no knowledge about nor interest in narcolepsy per se, and I don't know what a 'PWON' is. I do wish you well, though, and it doesn't seem like my direct involvement would be necessary.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:39, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

"PWON" = People With Out Narcolepsy?? Bielle (talk) 00:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the confusion Mr Wales. Even the most simple communications can be impossible because i havent slept in 15 years. Ill explain WikiHug better after my N Dr starts my GHB therapy on june 6th. When my brain works, I promise ill make sense. (Im just proud that I didnt have a cataplexy attack while writting.) Thankyou VERY much for replying anyway :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ARKBG1 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Should we cite most sentences?

I don't bother you often, but recently something shocked me. I recall few years ago you were in favor of WP:V and WP:CITE. Recently, my arguments that we should cite most sentences have met with sharp rebukes along the lines that "Misplaced Pages doesn't need many references because they are ugly and unnecessary" (see here, for example). What's your take on that? Would you prefer one cite per paragraph or per sentence? (With no prejudice to talk page stalkers joining in, I am really curious what's Jimbo's opinion on that). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 02:45, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I am strongly in favor of WP:V and WP:CITE. But you are asking about a stylistic matter, and for the particular case under discussion, I think you're wrong. I think it is wrong to repeat the same cite over and over for every sentence in a paragraph, when a single footnote at the end of the entire paragraph does the same work and is much more readable.

In general, it is broadly desirable that every fact in wikipedia (other than "The sky is blue" types of claims that are part of universal human experience) be backed up by a quality source. But the stylistic matter of whether the citation should be at the clause, sentence, paragraph, or section level, depends on the individual case.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:52, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your input. I wish there was an easy way to reconcile this, but situations like this show why I prefer overciting to underciting. Two evils, huh? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Right. So while we might disagree in individual cases, I think we agree on the broad principle.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Maybe some day links can be unobtrusively hidden inside each sentence with html so if somes reader like me questions its validity, I could simply click anywhere on the sentence for its "proof" Or maybe embed the proof inside each sentences first letter or last punctuation. Thats might "prettyfy" readability. Idk if "prettyfication" is a priority those, and that might be too technically tedious... Idk. Just an idea. (Btw androids dolphine browser stilll has some kinks interacting with sites like wiki, facebook, etc. writting this comment was difficult) --ARKBG1 (talk) 20:08, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I tend to cite more than the average contributor, from what I have seen, but then my topics, Mexican locations, dont tend to have encylopedic or academic sources so I have to piece the information together. Im a writing teacher in my non WP life and the general academic rule is that a citation covers everything before it, up to the previous citation or the beginning of the paragraph. So, a paragraph with a single source at the end indicates that all of the information in that paragraph is from the same source. As none of the information in our articles should be first person experience, techinically all sentences should come from one source or another. I have,however, been asked to repeat citations for DYK hooks, as the hook information came from a sentence prior to the one that carries the citation.Thelmadatter (talk) 01:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Really, the only places where the common knowledge issue is likely to come up is in the sciences, such as basic information about water and things like that. Practically everything else (though with some possible exceptions) needs a citation as it isn't common knowledge, even within the discipline. But if you're using a single source for paragraphs of information, it really is best just to put it at the end of each paragraph. (Thus, I agree) Silverseren 01:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not so sure, Silver. I think there are lots of statements that are plenty universally known so as not to need a cite. That doesn't form a complete argument against citing, of course. I mean, for many things, even "the sky is blue", if the cite is interesting and valid and stylistically appropriate in the article, well, why not? Michael Jackson was a singer. John Wayne was an actor. Not everyone knows those things (particularly people who don't know much about English-language pop culture) but that doesn't mean that we must cite it, and I'd be opposed to changing this sentence "Michael Joseph Jackson (August 29, 1958 – June 25, 2009) was an American recording artist, dancer, singer-songwriter, musician, and philanthropist." so that it would have a cite after each of those separate claims.

Balance is the key, as always, even if this leaves us in the deliciously uncomfortable position of not having a simple rule and having to talk about everything all the time. But that's what we do best, I think: chew on things to think up a good solution.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 16:59, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Featured articles normally demand very dense citation. The best reason for this is because if you cite an entire paragraph from a single source (and therefore a single reference is placed at the end of the paragraph), what happens when the next editor adds an additional fact to the middle of the paragraph? It looks cited, but isn't. Or what happens if the paragraph is split up? --Dweller (talk) 17:07, 2 June 2011 (UTC)
Cite every paragraph, sentence, phrase, word and/or character (as required), but please create a mechanism whereby there is a shiny "show citations" button (off by default) for the anonymous reader, and a similar preference-based button (on by default) for the logged-in reader/editor. That way there is no terrifying change to the display of citations for the editors, but the vast majority of WP users (the readers who couldn't give a toss about how the information got there) can have a better experience by not encountering a flood of saccade-inducing superscripted numeric hurdles.  GFHandel.   21:01, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I have a script for that, I can give you the code if you want it --Errant 21:08, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Share option

Would it be possible to get a "like" or "share" button so we can easily share interesting articles on our Facebook accts, Twitter, etc.?. There's been a lot of talk about recruiting more editors, as well as recruiting more female editors. I think this could be a low impact way to help with this. The "share link " could even include a message like, "You can edit Misplaced Pages too. Just click here." It'd just be a few small buttons at the bottom of the page. What do you think? (Perhaps this has been discussed before. I'd appreciate a "page stalker" linking to past discussions if so.} Quinn 03:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I think it's been mentioned at least in passing (by me, for sure). In my opinion this is the one single initiative that would benefit the Misplaced Pages most, and if the Foundation doesn't drop everything and make hay with this while the iron is hot they're asleep at the wheel. However, it would be a significant project to make this happen (I guess) and would require Facebook etc. to along (which should be doable given Misplaced Pages's popularity). But I see other websites with a Facebook link feature. Is it that they're idiots and we're geniuses? I don't think so. WHY CAN'T WE GET THIS DONE? Would we rather fail? This is maddening. Herostratus (talk) 08:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

The difference is that they are completely careless about privacy while we tend to be obsessed about privacy. Each time you read a page with such a Facebook "like" button, a Facebook server gets a request from your browser, along with any Facebook cookies you may have. This would allow Facebook to know which Misplaced Pages articles you are reading and in which order, and to associate that information with your Facebook account. The information could be used for targeted advertising and could be subpoenaed. Another difference is that we don't need this publicity. We are currently among the top 10 websites in the world, and there is no indication that this is going to change. Hans Adler 08:26, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It is absolutely required that the like button be served by Facebook? Could it be possible that we serve all the code, so that people only share anything with Facebook when they choose to do so (by clicking on the Facebook like icon)? I haven't ever read Facebook's like button terms of service, so I don't know.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

This idea is phenomenally ready for its time. A discrete box, or a sidebar dropdown menu, and Misplaced Pages is ready not to join but just to facilitate a link to the social media world. (For the truly SM-averse this could be a gadget/preference, opt-in or opt-out). This idea is not for our benefit, to draw more readers, but to serve our own readers and facilitate their access to and spreading of knowledge, part of our core mission. Such a move is not overdue in Misplaced Pages-time, but as the world is about 6 versions ahead of us, it's just about perfect right now. Ocaasi 09:56, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Play devil's advocate.... I can imagine people sharing an article that is at AFD... thats a mess that I dont want to think about The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 12:15, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Bad idea, generally: the articles are not appropriate for the "view bite" ( as opposed to "sound bite") crowd with the attention span of gnats and all the other pages would be horrors to have going viral. Bielle (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

User:TheDJ/Sharebox. Knock yourself out. Fences&Windows 01:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

See also this recent disccussion and the links there. Regards, HaeB (talk) 01:56, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

F and W, would you be opposed to the Sharebox being made a gadget? Ocaasi 02:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Just a note: I have the Misplaced Pages App on my Samsung Galaxy phone, and, if you are reading an article, and push the "options" button, you have the ability to "share" the article in the following ways: bluetooth, Facebook, gmail, messaging, Twitter, Y!Mail. I imagine there are more depending on what other "share" apps a person has activated on his/her phone. I don't know if this is a function of my phone, or something WP developers did (or something in between), but my point is that the technology already exists. The idea that the ability to share articles will serve as a tool to recruit meatpuppets is a red herring. Anyone right now can easily copy and paste an article's URL into Facebook and share away. Jimmy, my point is that social media is how many, many people choose to get their news and information. It's not a fad. It's not going away. I studied public relations in the late 90s when the concept was "control your message." Well, you simply can't do that any more. The best you can do is to participate in the discussion. And discussion is one of the founding element of article development and the 5 pillars. WP is, at its core, an ongoing discussion. There is an essay (or guideline, or something) that says WP is not Facebook. But it really is if you think about it! Look at all of the discussion pages and non-project space, and user pages, etc. WP is as "social" as it gets, and I hope that you and others are looking in how best to embrace this, and not avoid it. I think there is a sense among some seasoned editors that they don't want the WP to become a "social club" and that "we're here to write an encyclopedia." The two are not mutually exclusive. Just look at how Facebook and Twitter have changed the way we ALL get our information. Wouldn't it be nice if WP was once again on the cutting edge of how we get our knowledge, cause, no offense, I don't think it is anymore (top search results aside. That could go away very quickly.) Anyway, kind regards, and I'll keep contributing here (on the project, not your talk page ;)) regardless of whether or not we get a share button. Kind regards. Quinn 03:18, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:History of non-free content policies

Hello Jimbo, a few of us have been collecting material for a page Misplaced Pages:History of non-free content policies, a sort of timeline documenting how WP:NFC and related rules have developed over the years. As you were apparently involved quite a bit with this, especially during the early days, I thought you might have some interesting insights to offer from your first-hand experience. Any input would be welcome. Fut.Perf. ☼ 18:10, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Unreferenced BLPs - the final surge

Since the Great BLPRFCs Wars of 2010, many editors have assisted in the referencing or removal of over 90% of the Unreferenced Biographies of Living People, bringing the total down from over 50,000 to the current 4,851 (as of 22:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)). We are now asking for your help in finishing this task. There are two main projects which are devoted to removing UBLPs from en.Misplaced Pages:

• WP:URBLPR is focusing on clearing out the backlog based on the month in which each article was tagged as being unreferenced. The current task is Category:Unreferenced BLPs from September 2009, and it is the last month remaining from 2009.
• WP:URBLP has set up a large number of topic based lists, which are updated each day by a WP:BOT.
• You can also reference a random article or make your own lists using one of the catscan tools, such as this search for Canadian musicians.

All you have to do is pick your articles and then add suitable references from reliable sources and remove the {{BLP unsourced}} template. There is no need to log your changes, register or remove the articles from the list. If you need any help, or have any comments, please ask at WP:URBLPR or WT:URBLP.

This talk page is watched by over 2300 people. If each of them referenced 2 articles, then the backlog would be virtually cleared. No drama, no mass deletions, just good, collaborative editing.

Thank you for any assistance you can provide. The-Pope (talk) 22:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello

Can you tell me a little on how Misplaced Pages works and how you made it. I somewhat quit Wikia (hope this doesn't offend you) because I was blamed and blocked by a VSTF member for vandalism I did not do. I am blocked in the entire Wikia network until November 28, 2011 so I cannot even edit on my own wiki which stinks. F.Y.I I am 18 and I take a lot of interest in wikis. The Kool Egg... That Rox... That Rox Too Well 23:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

See History of Misplaced Pages. Regards, SunCreator 23:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Disgraceful, thinly-veiled racist comments

I saw on another user's page (User talk:Tothwolf) that you prize respect and civility on the Internet. Perhaps you should police your own web site better, see the comments made at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Foxmail. FuFoFuEd (talk) 13:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

What part of that discussion contains racist comments? I did a quick skim and nothing jumped out at me. Can you please be more specific? A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 14:20, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Read it as well. Nothing stands out at all as even remotely racist. -- Avanu (talk) 14:28, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Ok, I'm just "going back to China" then, where there's no Misplaced Pages editing. May the English-speaking self-promoters fill your site with all the goodies it richly deserves, and which I had found plenty here, and may your "good faith" editors delete all the content about foreign stuff that has "no sources". At least a black slave counted for 3/5s of a white man, gook sources seem to count for 0. FuFoFuEd (talk) 16:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Rest assured that the admin who closes the AfD is supposed to look at the quality of the arguments, and not a count of keep and delete votes, and even if the article is deleted, there's a deletion review you can initiate.

BTW, here are a couple English-language sources you can add to the article. Sorry, I know it's not much, but it's all I could find. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:03, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

<-:::Sorry, which editor has told you to go back to China? That's appalling and they should be strongly dealt with. --Dweller (talk) 17:04, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

By the looks of it, nobody. Unless there is something I am missing, it seems FuFoFuEd is getting bent out of shape because some editors have a (mistaken) belief that no English sources = no English notability. I'm not seeing even the slightest hint of racism in that AfD. Resolute 17:15, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

BTW, if you want to see something genuinely offensive, check out Category:Chinamen which has been nominated for deletion. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:12, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Although the tone is not helpful, I have some sympathy with this complaint. For example, one comment asks "How could we write this?" -- implying that nobody who speaks Chinese can be trusted to write a proper article. There are quite a number of comments in the AfD that I would find unpleasant if I were Chinese. Looie496 (talk) 17:49, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure which comment you're referring to, but I don't think that's what they meant. AFAIK, no one working on the article or participating in the deletion discussion (so far) speaks Chinese. IOW, they're arguing that we lack the expertise/knowledge to write about this topic effectively. I don't agree that that's a valid reason for deletion, but I think that's what they're saying. A Quest For Knowledge (talk) 17:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I believe that's my comment, but it certainly can't possibly be the reason why FuFoFuEd is upset; I didn't post anything to that discussion until AFTER FuFoFuEd posted his complaint here. But, yes, your characterization is not far off: I don't doubt the subject is notable. Clearly it is. And of course I realize that we must have some competent bilingual editors. I merely pose what I intend as a pragmatic concern, that there's a difference between citing a few sentences with translations to verify a few facts vs. trying to write an English wiki article where the only secondary sources available are all in Chinese. That sounds like we're translating whole sources to achieve verifiability per WP:NOENG, which seems to raise copyright concerns, if nothing else. Msnicki (talk) 18:05, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Five pillars, again

I'm sorry to bother you with this, because I know you dislike being called on for pronouncements like this, but the endless dispute about how to categorize Misplaced Pages:Five pillars refuses to die. Your three-word response at User_talk:Jimbo_Wales/Archive_65#WP:5P is being put forward as proof that the popular introductory page is, itself, an actual, independent policy (like WP:NPOV or WP:DEL) rather than a summary of the community's written policies, like WP:TRIFECTA (the page that 5P was based on) or other pages about Misplaced Pages:Principles.

The practical implications are that if 5P is a policy, and 5P somehow conflicted with another written policy (e.g., NPOV), then we'd need to reconcile the pages as if they were equals; if it summarizes our written policies, then we'd just correct 5P to match the "official" policies. The more immediate, and apparently undying, problem is that it is not possibly to simultaneously categorize the page as being a policy and a not-policy, and demands for clarifying its status on that point have appeared every few months for years. (The talk page archives, especially in comments from its original author, consistently assert that it is technically an essay that summarizes critical policies for new editors, but there are always a few people who believe that the page is, itself, a policy. For myself, I have always assumed that the talk page archives were a reliable guide to the status of the page in the community, and that if a change in status were wanted, we could organize a WP:PROPOSAL in the usual fashion for policies.)

Again, I apologize for bringing this back to you, and I realize that WP:The difference between policies, guidelines, and essays is fundamentally unimportant, but if you have a few minutes that you're willing to spend on this, I'd appreciate a response that involves a little more WP:Bradspeak, in the hope of an end to these time-sucking disputes. Thanks, WhatamIdoing (talk) 18:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Rick Santorum

Hello Jimbo,

Do you find it normal and acceptable that when someone googles "Santorum" or "Rick Santorum" the following Misplaced Pages article :

http://en.wikipedia.org/Santorum_%28neologism%29

... appears as the second result in both cases ?

As far as I know no other potential candidate for President of the United States has to suffer from this kind of attack from Misplaced Pages.

Thanks in advance for your reply. 96.21.84.25 (talk) 23:30, 2 June 2011 (UTC)