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== Seeking some advice/guidance ==

Hi Jehochman, I need to ask for your advice/guidance if possible, which is connected to and . As I am currently under an interaction ban with ] editors, any edits which so much as reintroduce into the article anything that was removed, could be construed as an interaction, and hence be sanctionable. As I have been just come back from a 4 day block for my edits to ], I of course would like to avoid any situations which can be used for battleground furtherment in this area. The article as it stands is a POV-ridden mess, and is full of original research, synthesis, and lack of context.

For example, the article as it stands now (and as it did in July 2010), states in the lead:

{{quote|According to Lilia Shevtsova, Senior Associate at the Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions Program Chair of the Carnegie Moscow Center, anti-Estonian sentiment is intentionally escalated by Kremlin in its "search for enemies".}}

As you can see from from August 2010, I moved the statement to a relevant section, and expanded it to read:

{{quote|Within this context, according to ], Senior Associate at the Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions Program Chair of the ], anti-Estonian sentiment was intentionally escalated by Kremlin in its "search for enemies", however she also notes that even Russian ''democrats'' took Estonia's removal of the statue immediately before one of the most respected and cherished dates in the Russian calendar, to be an affront to the Russian national honour,.}}

The move of this information back to the lead, along with removal of context, presents a serious POV problem with the article, but due to interaction bans, if I so much as touch it, it will essentially regarded as a revert, and hence I can be sanctioned. It also should be noted that the current version does not comply with ] in that it introduces material which is not discussed later in the article. But mostly the lack of context is a big problem.

If you review my edits to the article from August 2010, you will notice that they are good faith, constructive edits, and go some way to help to fix the article in its then, and now current, state.

As a neutral and uninvolved administrator, could you please provide your opinion on how to approach issues such as this. Cheers, --] <sup>]</sup> 08:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

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Research on 'Personal Attributes'

I am an academic research assistant, working on a privacy-related project. We are particularly interested in how online communities make decisions related to ‘personal attributes’ of individuals. Given its more or less institutionalized form, Misplaced Pages offers a great environment to investigate this. What I am currently examining, to put it more concretely, is how consensus is reached (or not) on why personal attributes are (not) included in an article. The Michael J. Devlin discussion page offers a great example, as it contains an extensive debate on whether or not to include the names of the victims. Obviously, I have already gone through the relevant policies. And I have also checked many articles in the AfD listings. What I noticed, however, is that most discussions (at least in those centralized lists) concern notability. Our research, however, has a broader perspective. As you seem to be an active admin, I would therefore like to ask if you can help us in our research project. It would be particularly useful if you could give me some important/big, famous and/or controversial cases (including extensive discussions/debates/argumentation on personal attributes).

Thank you so much,


Please do not hesitate to contact me in case you have any questions. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jausloos (talkcontribs) 05:58, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/dispute resolution

Had you noticed this has reopened? I only did today. I stopped looking in after discussion faded away. Now I've put it on my watchlist. I've just checked and find the preceding one was opened just over two years ago and has still not been closed and archived. Peter jackson (talk) 14:31, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Request

Hi Jehochman,
Let me introduce myself. I am one of the long-time editor who has been working with the "Sathya Sai Baba" article since 2009. I spent the last 3 years cleaning this article addressed every BLP violation, taking it to every possible Misplaced Pages BLP forum. In the past I had written to you when ever I hit a BLP Violation issue related to this article. It gives me great satisfaction that in the last 3 years I did succeed in changing this article from a BLP nightmare (how it was in 2009) to an encyclopedic article -using highly reliable scholarly sources.
After all this effort in the last 3 years I am being accused of Sock Puppetry. The reasons given are ridiculous claims - citing my UserName as the problem (after 3 years), spelling and typo errors as the reason for the sock puppet claim case. I am suspicious of why there is such a case on a long- time editor like me who cleaned up this problematic article. I suspect that the Group which has WP:COI with the Subject - "Sathya Sai Baba" is behind all this. They have influence all over wikipedia and have been trying to push their agenda by all means. They have been trying to get rid of me as I removed most of their libel content added by them from negative attack sites.
I want fairness and justice in this case. Please see the case here - http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Wikisunn.
I greatly appreciate your help.
Thanks Radiantenergy (talk) 03:04, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
This is hardly a neutral message, is it; and Radiantenergy's suspicions are entirely misplaced. At the time when the article was a BLP nightmare, because of the actions of anti-Sai Baba editors, I supported Radiantenergy's push for a deep revert. Wikisunn/Radiantenergy is the mirror image of the anti-Sai Baba editors; he suffers as much from COI and bias as his opponents. Sathya Sai Baba has been a mess for years, and neutral editors are not able to make any headway. I filed the SPI because of the vintage WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT behaviour displayed by Radiantenergy here and because Talk:Sathya_Sai_Baba is full of walls of text from him. The article will never be sorted out this way. --JN466 21:02, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
I am experienced enough not to be fooled by any sort of message. This is a bit of boomerang. Jehochman 22:18, 23 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, including for your apt words here. --JN466 00:34, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Jehochman, Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Wikisunn#Diffs_or_links_of_recent_problematic_editing_related_to_Sathya_Sai_Baba - my evidence against these claims. I hope I am not coming in too late. I am very busy person in real life I cannot be looking at this case every hour or so. I am ready to provide what ever helps to further investigate this case. Thanks Radiantenergy (talk) 05:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
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--JN466 12:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

I am not able to submit my comments as wikipedia is having network failure issues. I have been trying to add comments refuting these claims for almost an hour but couldn't do it due to network issues and edit conflicts. Please don't close this case I will be back in Misplaced Pages after a couple of hours. Thanks Radiantenergy (talk) 14:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
The case is closed. If you want to appeal, please do so. And please don't comment here further. Extending the Sai Baba battles to my talk page is a very bad idea. Jehochman 14:57, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Blocks in December 2010 of User:Mbz1

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Your edit of a fully protected page without discussion or consensus

Your recent edit of a fully protected page without consensus or discussion on the talk page is an obvious violation of the Misplaced Pages protection Policy. Please revert immediately. --Noren (talk) 20:40, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Did you notice the 10+ day RFC that I was closing? No, probably you didn't, because there is a note there requesting that editors leave their complaints on the talk page. Thanks, and goodbye. Jehochman 20:46, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Can't say I'm surprised that that move decision barely lasted 24h. Tarc (talk) 22:34, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

The Admin's Barnstar
For doing the the right thing at the right time. JN466 21:44, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Seeking some advice/guidance

Hi Jehochman, I need to ask for your advice/guidance if possible, which is connected to and . As I am currently under an interaction ban with WP:EEML editors, any edits which so much as reintroduce into the article anything that was removed, could be construed as an interaction, and hence be sanctionable. As I have been just come back from a 4 day block for my edits to Russophobia, I of course would like to avoid any situations which can be used for battleground furtherment in this area. The article as it stands is a POV-ridden mess, and is full of original research, synthesis, and lack of context.

For example, the article as it stands now (and as it did in July 2010), states in the lead:

According to Lilia Shevtsova, Senior Associate at the Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions Program Chair of the Carnegie Moscow Center, anti-Estonian sentiment is intentionally escalated by Kremlin in its "search for enemies".

As you can see from this edit from August 2010, I moved the statement to a relevant section, and expanded it to read:

Within this context, according to Lilia Shevtsova, Senior Associate at the Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions Program Chair of the Carnegie Moscow Center, anti-Estonian sentiment was intentionally escalated by Kremlin in its "search for enemies", however she also notes that even Russian democrats took Estonia's removal of the statue immediately before one of the most respected and cherished dates in the Russian calendar, to be an affront to the Russian national honour,.

The move of this information back to the lead, along with removal of context, presents a serious POV problem with the article, but due to interaction bans, if I so much as touch it, it will essentially regarded as a revert, and hence I can be sanctioned. It also should be noted that the current version does not comply with WP:LEAD in that it introduces material which is not discussed later in the article. But mostly the lack of context is a big problem.

If you review my edits to the article from August 2010, you will notice that they are good faith, constructive edits, and go some way to help to fix the article in its then, and now current, state.

As a neutral and uninvolved administrator, could you please provide your opinion on how to approach issues such as this. Cheers, --Russavia 08:50, 18 June 2011 (UTC)