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Brown County NRHP listings

Replying to your questions at my Talk, regarding changes in your edits to the Brown County, Wisconsin NRHP list-article.

About county and state and national tallies, u don't need to sweat those. If you actually have corrections to make, just make them at the lowest level, and others (maybe mostly Sanfranman59, will sweep them up into correct state and nation totals.

But, the website u are apparently thinking is official is not. That is what i refer to as "NRHP.COM", short for www.nationalregisterofhistoricplaces.com, which is a private website that copies the public domain NRIS database. However, it is not accurate in several ways, one being that its programmer does not pay attention to the listing status code in NRIS data. The East Moravian Church and Kaap's Restaurants you added are in fact correctly not shown in our main list, because they were delisted: theirs status code is "RN", which means "REMOVED FROM NATIONAL REGISTER", probably on the date that NRHP.COM reports erroneously that they were listed. They could be put into a table of formerly listed properties below. You can find this out using Elkman's generator by searching on their name with the widest search option set by checking in a box at "Search for properties that have been delisted?" set. That really means to show properties of any status, as well as listed status. A short table of the meaning of the various listing codes is given far down within wp:NRHPhelp.

The North Michigan Street one shows in Elkman's under regular searching. I note it is reported listed on July 19, 2007. Randall Avenue HD shows as listed on April 24, 2007 in Elkman's. I wonder if NRHP.COM has not updated since then? But that doesn't make sense. I would simply believe Elkman's and disbelieve NRHP.COM, whose programmer does not ever get feedback and never improves their system.

The South Broadway Historic District, however, does not show in Elkman's at all though. Ah, but it was just listed on January 21, 2010, so it would not. And same for the Main Avenue Historic District, listed in February 2010. Elkman's and NRHP.COM both are using the March 13, 2009 version of NRIS, the last downloadable until the new version that was just released. The January 21, 2010 entry was added by Sanfranman59 or others as part of their weekly updating using the new weekly listing announcements.

So, the good news is that the Brown County list-article is not wildly inaccurate. I think we (mostly others than me now) do a pretty good job of staying synched with what NRIS actually shows. :) I do think that some kind of auditing of randomly chosen counties, using the newly available NRIS database update, would be a good idea though Maybe a version of the new NRHP batch-generator-of-articles could be tweaked to provide more of an auditing type comparison for any given county, rather than focusing on providing new article drafts, and it could provide assistance in adding tables of delisted properties which i like to include, but are so far optional in our practice. Hope this helps! Glad u are getting more into the details. --doncram (talk) 04:14, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I was hoping to keep it together on your page but this is fine too. Thanks for spending the time to do the research and your excellent explanation. I didn't understand the details about that website and the problems that it is causing. The Heritage Hill Historic Park had the East Moravian Church listed on their private listing of National sites, but that's not official. Is there any way to check for the Center Valley Grade School in Outagamie County, Wisconsin? I read an article about it in the Appleton, Wisconsin newspaper back in around July or August 2010 that said that it had been listed in the National Register but it hasn't appeared on the Misplaced Pages list. I have a good photograph to upload that I took in September. Royalbroil 04:41, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't see Center Valley Grade School appearing in NRHP weekly listings yet, by my quick google searching. This search specific to nps.gov really should show it, if it was announced, but doesn't. Maybe they had applied for NRHP listing, not yet received? There's enough for you to go ahead and start an article about it though from sources like in a newsletter here, especially if u have a pic ready! Don't feel constrained to just work on NRHP-listed places; do articles about locally listed places too and add them to WikiProject Historic sites instead of WikiProject NRHP. The infobox historic sites, programmed by Dudemanfellabra, is one good option for an infobox which is similar with map and so on to the NRHP infobox; there's also a buildings infobox. And it will save time if/when it does get NRHP-listed. :) --doncram (talk) 05:18, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

I have sooooo much to do here and so little time. So I'll wait for the school to make an official list. For example, I have hundreds of images to upload. I photographed a bunch of nationally registered historic places in Upper Michigan about 4 months just to find that others photographed them long after me and had them uploaded. I still have more to upload! There are dozens of unreferenced BLPs for NASCAR drivers. I have an article that I developed to near Featured level which I should complete & nominate. Articles to create. Existing articles that should be developed to Good standards. This is why I don't spend much time on making NRHP articles. And so on... Royalbroil 05:46, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Returned to note that, towards breaking some ice, i started Baird Law Office as a stub from NRIS info and ur pic, and then because i am currently terrified of public opinion i added a bit more. Still lacks NRHP nom which would be best source probably, but that would have to be requested. Sources available would allow it to be over DYK length tho, if someone cared to nurture it a bit...

Yes, User:Andrew Jameson sure did cut a swath through upper michigan, didn't he? He did nice pics and articles for all of Detroit, Michigan first, though. I would just hope for a one or two starter articles in each county, to give some suggestion for locals to get involved. --doncram (talk) 14:28, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Aw man, that's a huge bummer! That was one of the articles that I was planning to do in that group from the Heritage Hill State Park! I wanted to do a shorter DYK encompassing all of them - Did You Know... that the Heritage Hill State Park has __ historic buildings including a law office, hospital, ward, church, house, etc... ? This would have been the law office. No use crying over spilled milk. What you ended up with is what I'm wanting to see is a bit above the minumum. Actually the minimum is around this edit. Yes, Andrew did a great job and he spent the time to get much better photos that I did (and I told him so). So there was no reason for me to upload something inferior. Royalbroil 17:54, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Henry S. Baird and Baird Law Office are on the main page now as the lead DYK, with your nice pic. I got credit, thot i had put in credit for u too. If u didn't specifically edit/ask to be removed, i'm gonna return with a DYK notice for u too. Thanks for the great pic. I think think the hook was chosen for the lead, and the pic was kept in the DYK, because the hook did relate the person to what u see in the pic of the building. Too many times i have done a DYK for a building and seen the pic get dropped. Here, it worked. :) Cheers, --Doncram (talk) 01:26, 3 January 2011 (UTC)

Happiness review

Hey thanks for reassessing the Happiness (Alexis Jordan song) article to B class. So what's need to be done to make it GA? ozurbanmusic (talk) 22:39, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't know how much you know. Good Article is a formal process where an uninvolved party assesses the article against the Good Article Criteria. First you need to make sure that the article meets the criteria in your mind. I haven't done a thorough review, just a quick one. It checks to make sure that you have used citations from high quality reliable sources, among other items. Statistics and other claims are especially checked to have citations. Then you propose the article using the Misplaced Pages:Good article nominations directions. The article is expected to be nearly complete and stable. I hope this helps. Royalbroil 13:42, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Henry S. Baird

On 2 January 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Henry S. Baird, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Henry S. Baird, the first lawyer in territorial Wisconsin, bought a small Greek Revival former land office building to serve as his law office (pictured) as he felt its style befit his position? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

While I appreciate the thought, Doncram, all that I did was provide a photograph which was used on the main page for this double nomination. So I'm not going to take credit for either of these DYKs since I didn't do any work. I probably would have helped with the articles had I known that you were going to nominate them. Royalbroil 01:20, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Baird Law Office

On 2 January 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Baird Law Office, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Henry S. Baird, the first lawyer in territorial Wisconsin, bought a small Greek Revival former land office building to serve as his law office (pictured) as he felt its style befit his position? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 20:16, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject United States

Hello, Royalbroil! WikiProject United States, an outreach effort supporting development of United States related articles in Misplaced Pages, has recently been restarted after a long period of inactivity. As a user who has shown an interest in United States related topics we wanted to invite you to join us in developing content relating to the United States. If you are interested please add your Username and area of interest to the members page here. Thank you!!!

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Pretty Girl Rock

Hi there, can you please review this article: Pretty Girl Rock. ozurbanmusic (talk) 03:34, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I assume you mean assess for the talk page, which I did. I think you probably can review your own as long as you're being impartial. Review also could mean review of the article to find improvements in grammar and the style manual. I saw her performing the song on Letterman and I'm pleased to see that the performance was included. I saw the video on a digital subchannel on a local network TV channel. Royalbroil 04:50, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Oops, yes I mean assess. Thank you! So do you reckon the article is GA standard yet? ozurbanmusic (talk) 13:40, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I can't answer that. Do you understand that GA is a formal process that you need to propose at WP:GAC? I think it's reasonable for you to propose. Royalbroil 13:42, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes I understand. Thanks anyways! ozurbanmusic (talk) 14:30, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

AlexBot new articles

Hi! The AlexBot new articles has not been working since before Christmas. Therefore, I have no idea hoow many new articles involving Wisconsin and Milwaukee were started. The Catalyst started articles about unincorporated communities in Wisconsin. Fortunately, I am able to follow that with the edits to the county templates. The same also with new articles about the Kohler Family of Wisconsin and the Kohler Strikes. I think this bot needs an adjustment. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 15:09, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Pictures

Hello, do you remember when we discussed cameras? Well over Christmas I received a Nikon Coolpix L110. Do you believe that this wluld be a good camera to take shots of NASCAR related pictures? Also, though this is not relative to the heading, but do you know another way to find new NASCAR articles, other than the bot? Nascar1996 16:42, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I'm sure it would do just fine. I've found that the photographer is the biggest factor. Some of my best shots were taken with my Kodak point and shoot even though my main camera is at semi-pro level. An ISO of 800 to 1600 is an excellent maximum on par with my expensive camera. You'd need it in low light, so you probably won't use it much. 15x optical zoom is excellent and may compete against my telephoto lense. A huge tip is to NEVER us the digital zoom. Hopefully you can tell when it leaves optical zoom. Digital zoom causes real problems with camera shake even if you're real steady. You should always crop with software which is what I've always done. I'm happy to recommend free software that works well for me to crop and photo enhance. I wish I knew how to enhance photos because then I'd probably have some featured. My brother is excellent with photo editing and I hope to talk about it more with him tomorrow. Anyhow, I don't usually shot with high megapixels even though my camera can do 10 Mp. I take sooo many shots so I'd fill up my hard drive as I've taken tens of thousands with each of my 2 cameras (well over 2000 appear on Commons). I've run a bunch of tests and can't tell the difference between a 2 Mp shot and one at 10 Mp - even when I zoom in tight. Do you have another camera where you could photograph your new camera and add it to the article? Lots of my photos have been taken of mundane items like that.

You're the second straight person to ask about new articles. I am not aware of any other way to find out the new articles for a WikiProject beside the bot. I was so impressed with it that I gave out a barnstar to the NewArtBot. Royalbroil 22:47, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

I have learned in the past that digital zoom (It is when you zoom in too much, right?) can make the photos blury, so I don't use it that much. I've took some pictures of the snow in my area with it and most of them appear nice except a couple, which might have been caused by the inappropriate settings. With my current SD card, I have have thousands of pictures on my new camera (my other one could only hold 200- which meant I had to delete several to take more. However, I'm don't believe I'm going to be able to crop the photo, by a certain software, but can't you crop them on Flickr? I also have two other cameras, which either could take a picture of my current camera. When I am able to take a picture of it, I will add it to the article, unless I forget.

Hopefully the bot gets running soon. Do you know the problem with the bot? Since I have been editing, several bots have become inactive, such as the Article Alerts bot (that is now replaced), the bot that added articles related to a certain subject that had problems with them, and this bot. Nascar1996 23:02, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Digital zoom is when software in your camera does the zoom for you instead of the lens moving (optically). Cameras aren't perfect, especially point and shoot, at zooming. I even get a few that are off on my regular lens (called wide angle). My telephoto lens almost never misses focus. The space issue that I'm most concerned about is space on my computer since I take them off the SD card anyhow. Flickr doesn't crop. The way to do it is to download a program like gIMP which you run on your computer after you download the photo. There are few steps to crop, and the first is open the photo. You can rotate the photo if you didn't hold the camera straight. Then you draw a box around where you want to crop. You pick an option on a menu and it crops. You save the file and then you're done. I'm sure it would be easy for you. I didn't look into why the bot isn't running, maybe you can. I'm sure that others have already if it's down over a week. I don't have time and I have to go. Royalbroil 23:59, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

New Years Message for WikiProject United States

With the first of what I hope will be monthly newsletters I again want to welcome you to the project and hope that as we all work together through the year we can expand the project, create missing articles and generally improve the pedia thought mutual cooperation and support. Now that we have a project and a solid pool of willing members I wanted to strike while the iron is hot and solicite help in doing a few things that I believe is a good next step in solidifiing the project. I have outlined a few suggestions where you can help with on the projects talk page. This includes but is not limited too updating Portal:United States, assessing the remaining US related articles that haven't been assessed, eliminating the Unrefernced BLP's and others. If you have other suggestions or are interested in doing other things feel free. I just wanted to offer a few suggestions were additional help is needed. Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, comments or suggestions or you can always post something on the projects talk page. If you do not want to recieve a monthly message please put an * before your name on the members page.--Kumioko (talk) 04:53, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Leaving

Basically what it boiled down to was that a lot of the edits I enjoyed doing ended up not falling under the Manual of Style. The List of NASCAR teams for instance lost the colors and flags that I worked hard on because of the MOS. And it wasn't just NASCAR pages, it was other ones as well. I'm sure it'd be possible for me to try and get that kind of thinking reversed, but I simply don't have the time or the patience to fight The Man over something that's been around longer than I have at the moment. I'm doing well in my post-wiki world, so maybe it's all for the best.

Thank you for your help.--D-Day (talk) 12:33, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

2011 Daytona 500

I would like to add the Gatorade Duels in the qualifying section, but there would be too many results tables. So to minimize space, is there such thing as a table that could show the first five results and than the rest be hidden? Lets say you press a button and it shows the rest of the resutls? Thanks. Nascar1996 16:21, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

I am not aware of any way to hide a part of the table. All other articles have the entire qualifying results and I think this article should too. Royalbroil 03:13, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Such as two more tables (for the qualifying races?) I will add a table for the actual starting grid. I was wondering because I'm not sure if the article should have too many tables, but I don't think the Duels are notable enough to have their own article. Thanks, and I was starting to get worried once you didn't make an edit since the 13th, but people have times when they are busy. Thanks again. Nascar1996 03:37, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Kind of busy, but the main problem was that my internet has been down a lot whenever I want to use it. Plus I went to ice racing both of the last 2 Sundays including 3 tracks last Sunday! The track were close together (within 30 miles) so it worked watching the first heats at one track, the second set of heats at the second track, and the features at a third track. I think you should add tables for all of the qualifying parts, including the Duels. If it gets too large then the Duels could get their own article. There's often a link on the main page "In the News" to winner of the Daytona 500, so this is one article that I'd do with reliable sources and GA-level text. I've done some of my own research into close paraphrasing with respect to AK and it appears to be extremely difficult to deal with. All of the examples I find appear to be advocating synthesizing content to the point of being original research which I won't do. You cannot use a single word from the original source. I can't see how their examples encompass any of the original meaning . I spend hundreds of hours on that article, enough to write very many articles, and I'm tired of wasting time on something unattainable. Plus their standards that are constantly changing to the point where I've needed to redo things that they had me remove in earlier reviews. Royalbroil 04:01, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Not a single word? That is very complicated, and hopefully I will get the Daytona 500 article to GA-level by either late February to early April. I'm planning for the Daytona 500 article to be similar to some of the better ones I expanded for last season, but I know as the race gets closer more editors are going to want to work on that article which will make it very complicated to work with. Thats what happened to 2010 Daytona 500. Thanks. Nascar1996 11:38, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Would you please look at this comment located on WT:NASCAR? Thanks. Nascar1996 23:42, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

If you can, will you please review this section on the article? Its short, so it shouldn't take a massive amount of time. Do you believe the testing information should be in the section or should I remove it and keep it in the season article, under Testing? Thanks. --Nascar1996 03:01, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

It's relevant to the race, so I think it should be kept. I did a copyedit/peer review. Royalbroil 03:42, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. --Nascar1996 04:35, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

The 2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series article has been semi-protected since around November, and will be until February 3. Once it expires, could we get Pending changes on the article? With very few interuptions, I have been able to make sure everything is sourced on the article, which has 41. --Nascar1996 03:20, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

You should probably be having this discussion with Airplaneman since he protected the article. I don't think that pending changes is an option as there is no consensus on how to proceed. Royalbroil 03:31, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Well its almost time for the Daytona 500. Do you know if the Background section should include this information? How is the section? Is there anything else that I should put in the section? Please help me thanks. Nascar1996 18:32, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

It seems reasonably complete. There are some unsourced statements like the change in restrictor plate. Otherwise it looks fine. I need to do a bunch more work on the 100 images on my hard drive which need to be uploaded. I'm usually caught by this time of year. So I'm leaving Jimmie Johnson's article alone for now. Royalbroil 04:08, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

I figured out what happened with the source, so it is referenced. Have a good time uploading the images. :) Nascar1996 04:38, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (January 2011)

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Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment/Daytona International Speedway/1

You are invited to join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:Good article reassessment/Daytona International Speedway/1. Nascar1996 03:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})

Sorry that I had to trash it. I know you wanted an honest evaluation against the Good Article criteria. It's nothing personal. Royalbroil 04:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Thats fine with me. I fixed the problems with the Event section; however, I didn't really care if it was kept or not. I had to try though. I wanted your opinion because you are better with reviewing articles than me. Nascar1996 11:24, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Before I forget, thanks for commenting. The user who started it wanted some great reviews. I knew you and Airplaneman have helped me. I your comments were great. Again thanks. Nascar1996 11:34, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Have fun!

Have fun at the Trivia Contest!RFD (talk) 15:46, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm concentrating on having fun. We never place very high. Royalbroil 18:38, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Photos?

Hi! I'm sorry to only now be following up on your nice note in December, but I am curious to learn more about how you might be able to help with contributing photographs of public art in Wisconsin. Do you already have some images, or might you be willing to take a few to illustrate (planned) articles? Jgmikulay (talk) 01:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

First of all, you should never remove someone else's comment. That's considered extremely rude and is considered disruptive; it will quickly get you into big trouble. I'm sure you weren't aware that it is so egregious, so it will get overlooked this time. You can avoid doing it by just adding a new section right after the last comment on someone's talk page (just hit enter a few times before starting a new section with the ==). I remember your photograph of the Fonzie in Milwaukee. Actually taking images of art is a concern since they infringe on the copyright of the artist, so I discourage you from taking any. Art that is not in the public domain should only be uploaded under Fair use. Public domain usually happens 70 years after the death of the artist, see United_States_copyright_law#Duration_of_copyright for more specifics.

I am wondering if you'd be interested to take photographs of other notable subjects in Wisconsin, specifically notable topics ones that have articles in Misplaced Pages. There's a list of requested images in Wisconsin which can be found at Category:Misplaced Pages requested photographs in Wisconsin. Another list that can use more help is National Register of Historic Places listings in Milwaukee County, Wisconsin, the list of places listed on the National Register of Historic Places. The parent list for every county in Wisconsin can be found at National Register of Historic Places listings in Wisconsin; I've only managed to complete a few counties in the state. Royalbroil 03:08, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Very sorry about my editing error and removing a comment from your page. Yes, that is very rude, and I didn't mean to. I'll be more careful going forward.

I'll take a look at the lists you suggest. THANKS! Jgmikulay (talk) 03:24, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

No problem! I'm not upset with you and I knew it as inadvertent. An academic like yourself may be more interested to work on articles which would be greatly appreciated and more important (in my opinion). Your writing background, especially the part about using citations from reliable sources, would serve you well here. Royalbroil 03:45, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi! I just added the templates to the article; another editor added the photo requirement to the template. Many thanks-RFD (talk) 11:59, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Huh? Which of these articles? I don't think that we should adding photo requests to each of these historic places county articles. Royalbroil 01:24, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Clarification: I just add the templates-no photo requests; another editor usually access the articles and makes the photo requests-RFD (talk) 12:59, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Templetes

I had been added templates to various articles. Recently I added one to Delhi, Wisconsin. An editor access the article and put a photo request on the Delhi, Wisconsin article. I just added the templates and if an editor access the article and put a photo requirement then fine-My apologies for any problems. Thank you-RFD (talk) 13:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

That's okay to place an image request on that article. Of course if we put a photo request on every article like this one then the list would be hopelessly long making the list completely useless. I consider the list to be image requests of higher priority. Looking at satellite maps of the "ghost town", there appears to be over a dozen houses. Kinda odd for a ghost town. I wonder how many towns have any houses left from around 1900. Royalbroil 01:44, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello

Hello Royalbroil, I dont think we have spoken before. :) I'm Legolas, and I generally stick to the music related articles on WP and edit them. I wanted to thank you for your prompt action on the IP vandalism going on. Appreaciated. :) — Legolas 07:11, 4 February 2011 (UTC)

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Jimmie Johnson

Do you remember the earlier talk about the article, when I accidently changed the class to GA when it was a C-class article. I have just completely reworded and reformatted the article from top to bottom, and added better references. I was influenced to do so after seeing this. I'm wondering if the article is now good enough for B-class. If you can, could you give me some feedback on how the article is? Thanks. Nascar1996 16:07, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

I seen you make a couple contributions to the article. So what do you think of it? Nascar1996 02:29, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the bump, I had forgotten about it. Looks like B class to me (a quick review). You did great improvements. Do you want me to peer review against Good status? Royalbroil 02:38, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

If you would like. I just wanted to get it to at least B-class. I might do the same with another current driver soon, as well as some others such as Wayne Anderson. Nascar1996 02:41, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Anderson would be a great article to work on since it's only reference is really racing reference which we always used to wrongly put in the external links section. I suggest that some of the most-viewed impact articles could use help, namely Richard Petty and Dale Earnhardt. You're definitely at the level to be able to do what needs to be done to improve them (citations from reliable sources). I suggestion working on them in a sandbox and paste in the results when you're done. Otherwise every anon will hack things up while you're building. Royalbroil 02:59, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Very true, I've have also been thinking about Kyle Busch's article, as well as Dale Earnhardt, Jr. which are some of the other popular articles. By the way, do you know what you are going to do with Kulwicki's article? Nascar1996 03:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I've spent far too much time on AK's article to justify redoing it yet another time from scratch. I've rewritten it very many times already. It's impossible to please them, then they'll just hack it up again. Either that or their constantly changing standards would get it taken off the list after a few years anyhow. I should have stopped on it a long time ago. I'm going to try to get a gold star with my photography. If I had a bucket list then taking a featured picture would be on it. I have ideas in mind for next summer, like upgrading my already good family farm photograph with another beautiful farm that I have selected. I now have the equipment capable enough to shoot a featured image. Hopefully the weather will be as nice for this year's Nationwide race at Road America and I can do some shoots at super high resolution and/or Raw image format to reduce noise. This angle taken in the early morning is perfect according to the pro photographers that I talked with. Royalbroil 03:47, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Another reason that I have noticed, some editiors think NASCAR is not a very popular sport to have notability on the Misplaced Pages, when it should have. I've seen some comments about the project and subject, that I didn't like to read. Nascar1996 11:26, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

If someone gets out of hand, you can always link to Misplaced Pages:I just don't like it. They're probably not from the USA so they don't get it. I don't get some other sports that are popular elsewhere. Lots of US people would say the same thing about soccer, cricket, etc. Don't let them bother you. That doesn't make the sport non-notable. We have cited in the NASCAR article how it's the 2nd most popular spectator sport in the U.S. Royalbroil 13:19, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't really understand it. Almost all types of stock car racing around the world is partnered with NASCAR, it is also in Canada, as well as Mexico and Australia. Then other countries watch NSCS races all the time. If you reviewed the link that helped influence me to work on Johnson's article, there are some users, who did "I just don't like it" on there. Nascar1996 20:23, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

I looked over that link again. People were opposed to the state of the article at that time. Most weren't against NASCAR and agreed that it was in a list of approved items to make the main page. Even if they personally didn't like NASCAR they agreed that it's notable enough. I'll do a solid peer review on the article since it looks like you're needing to see it. I'm a few paragraphs in an I have a bunch of comments on things to improve, which should probably be done to get it higher in the B class. Royalbroil 00:21, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay. Nascar1996 01:51, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Hey, thanks for the Music Barnstar you left in my talk page. As is usual in Misplaced Pages, I don't expect anything for my contributions here, but it is appreciated anyway. Take care! Thief12 (talk) 01:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Requested articles

I'll write articles on all of those soon. The Minnesota communities are generally split out of the township articles, so I'll do those too. TheCatalyst31 08:37, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Rhinelander

		The WikiProject Wisconsin Barnstar
		You rock cuz you've been to Rhinelander. I think. Well either way goodjob. :D (talk) 23:03, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

There are a few pictures I would like to post in Rhinelander Wisconsin's page. And most likely spruce that page up a bit. But what'd I'd like to know is how do the sidebox to show the picture of the Hodag. But I need to start off weel so I canPretty much redo the page. So if you could give me some pinters that would be Great! Thanks!:D (talk) 23:03, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

I've been to Rhinelander on several occasions, it just has been quite a while. You can learn how to add images to pages by going to Misplaced Pages:Picture tutorial. To give you the short answer, you can type in the following where ever you want on the page:

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I hope that you don't want to trash the page as most of what's there should be kept. Everything can use a sprucing up. It's keep to write in your own words, and to use citations from reliable sources. I hope this helps! Royalbroil 23:27, 18 February 2011 (UTC)

Trempeauleau, Wisconsin merger proposal

There is another merger proposal involving the articles involing the town and village of Trempealeau, Wisconsin. I left a message on the editor's talk page and my opposition to the merger on the talk page-Thank you-RFD (talk) 15:14, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

Commons question

Hi Royalbroil, since you are an admin on Commons I had a question for you, if you don't mind. I have been in email contact with Roger Ebert to see if he would license some more of his photos for use on Misplaced Pages (he posts a lot of his personal photos which he has taken of celebrities on his Facebook page). Mr. Ebert is an occasional editor here (as Rebert) and uploaded several photos under free licenses that are now on Commons. He replied that he would license his images if he thought he would get photo credits for them (attribution). I was wondering if the files could be renamed so that the file names included "by Roger Ebert" (as is already the case for File:Russ Meyer by Roger Ebert.jpg).

The other files would be File:O'TooleEbertPatrik.jpg (which contains a spelling error, it is "Patric") and its derivatives File:Roger Ebert.jpg, File:Peterotoole.jpg, File:JasonPatric.jpg, and File:Jason Patric.JPG, as well as File:Russ Meyer and Roger Ebert.jpg and its derivatives File:Russ meyer.jpg and File:Roger Ebert (extract).jpg.

I plan to also add a category "Photographs by Roger Ebert" and clearer attribution to these images, and plan to try adding credit to the photo captions on the English Misplaced Pages too. The idea is that I could then go back to Mr. Ebert and tell him how the images he already uploaded are being used in way that identifies him as the author, and hope that he then releases some more of his images under a free license.

So long story short, would you be able to help with this plan by renaming the files on Commons? Any ideas on the plan would also be welcome. Thanks in advcance for any help or advice, Ruhrfisch _><>° 05:14, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Sure, I took care of it. It's much easier on Commons than here at the English Misplaced Pages (just one button, fill in the new name & rationale and a bot takes care of the rest including replacing on every Misplaced Pages). Uploader request it a great reason to rename. I am familiar with him of course. This sounds like a great way to get him to do some contributing again and I support these categories. Anyone can have a category on Commons for their own images. I do. I suggest being more specific on the name of the author to Rebert (Roger Ebert) like I changed on File:Roger Ebert (extract) by Roger Ebert.jpg. Great job and kudos to you for having a great idea to get some excellent photographs of notable people! Royalbroil 02:09, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much - I will add the categories and spell out his name in the file descriptions over the weekend. Hope this works, Ruhrfisch _><>° 12:42, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Commons issue

Hi Again Royalbroil, Acdixon left this on my talk page. Could you please move File:Charles Augustus Murray.jpg to something like File:J. Proctor Knott? I will fix the file description and its use on the German WIkipedia. Ruhrfisch _><>° 03:58, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

So you've got me doing some work at Commons now, and I've run up on an issue. This image is incorrectly identified as Charles Augustus Murray. As you can see here, it is actually a portrait of Kentucky Governor J. Proctor Knott. Not sure how moves and whatnot work on Commons. Can you help? Acdixon 16:17, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

Y Done Moves are very easy for an admin on Commons. I single command renames and issues a command for bots to rename the file on every Misplaced Pages. Its new name is File:J. Proctor Knott.jpg. Royalbroil 06:08, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks very much! The only other problem image name I know of on Commons is File:SheridanSquare3358.JPG which is actually of Christopher Park in New York City, not Shriedan Square (Moni3 pointed that one out to me a while ago - it is used in one of her FAs). Yours, Ruhrfisch _><>° 02:37, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Y Done It's now named File:ChristopherPark3358.jpg. Royalbroil 04:16, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much - greatly appreciated. Ruhrfisch _><>° 04:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with the image of J. Proctor Knott. I also noticed a category with a typo. Could you please rename the Commons category "Peoople from Harrison County, Kentucky" to "People from Harrison County, Kentucky"? If this is something I could do myself, let me know how. I just started doing significant work at Commons last week. Thanks! Acdixon 14:37, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. You can take care of incorrectly named categories with typos at Rename a Category. Since it takes admin action to either list a category rename with a bot or to delete the uncommon incorrect name, I just took care of it. You'll find that the differences between Commons and the English Misplaced Pages are relatively minor for the most part. Instead of using WP: to find shortcuts, most start with COM: Royalbroil 01:16, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again. I'll find my way around in Commons eventually! :) Acdixon 19:11, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

If you need to make comment to/about me, do so on my talk page

You made this extremely naive comment about me on another user's talk page. If you have something to say to/about me, then say it on my talk page.

1. You wrote " Complaining at someone on their talk page is definitely rude". It isn't, never was, and never will be. In fact, complaining about someone but not on their talk page, as you did to me, is not collegial.
2. You wrote "I've worked with Nascar1996 for a long time and this is an isolated incident". That is so untrue it is laughable. He has done this before, claiming he took photos which were pinched from websites/etc. You want just one example? Go through the diffs in this thread and see where the final editor says " This user is stealing from all over, and he is always removing the warnings."
3. You wrote "Also, you have removed all images on the Trevor Bayne article". I did not. I removed the image which User:Nascar1996 stole from a copyrighted site and claimed as his own work. Check the rest of his history.

I refuse to be drawn this user's silly games. Moriori (talk) 08:25, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I must add that your edit summary for this edit was misleading, where it says"restore images that were deleted". You didn't restore the copyrighted image I deleted at all, and the other two you placed on the page were not restorations but the addition of images that had not previously been in the article. This doesn't rate highly in the big deal stakes, but on a mistaken premise it might prompt another editor to believe I had incorrectly removed images. Moriori (talk) 21:40, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

I know that you didn't delete the images that I restored, nascar1996 removed them when he rewrote the article. I have made a comment to him about it. I had a poor word choice with "restore" which was misleading. I was hoping that you would have noticed that there were no images in the article - yet had a Commons category - when you correctly removed the final image which was a copyright violation. It's no big deal. As a photographer, I hate to see decent images which were uploaded then removed - especially when I was the photographer. It makes me feel like I wasted my time. Obviously there are hundreds of things that I could be doing here and Commons which aren't unproductive. Royalbroil 00:42, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (February 2011)

The WikiProject NASCAR Newsletter Volume 1 · No. 8 · January 26, 2011 – February 25, 2011 Previous month's issue - Next month's issue
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Current contributors Nascar1996 (talk · contribs) Wayne Slam (talk · contribs) New members The Bushranger (talk · contribs) - February 21, 2011 Treyfin (talk · contribs) - February 24, 2011 How to help WikiProject NASCAR Please keep up with the discussions at our main talk page. Your input is needed! Expand the articles in Category:NASCAR stubs. Read the project to-do list and help to complete the tasks: Here are some tasks awaiting attention: Article requests : Mary Hendrick, Kelley Earnhardt Elledge, Jack White (NASCAR) Copyedit : NASCAR, Dale Earnhardt, 2010 Aaron's 499, Mark Martin Expand : Road course ringer, BAM Racing, Greg Erwin, Donnie Wingo, 2008 Daytona 500 Maintain : 2024 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, 2024 NASCAR Nationwide Series, 2024 NASCAR Camping World Truck Series Photo : Richie Evans, South Boston Speedway Stubs : See all here Verify : NASCAR rules and regulations Other : More Add content to the portal Portal:NASCAR is a place where we can exhibit our best articles and most interesting free images. Any article which is FA, GA, High or Top importance can be added for display as a Selected article or as a Selected biography, free images can be added to be displayed asSelected pictures. All of these are chosen randomly for display on each page view to avoid both bias and having to manually update the page monthly. If you've created or seen an article or image that you feel would be a good addition to the portal, follow the instructions on the pages linked above. Please nominate it on the talk pages. Images Below is the NASCAR Picture of the month (found here). The picture has to be one uploaded in the last month. It is exclusive to the Newsletter. REMEMBER, YOU CAN VOTE.	Article developments See also: Misplaced Pages:WikiProject NASCAR/Article alerts NASCAR articles by quality and importance Quality Importance Top High Mid Low NA Total GA 5 3 10 2 20 B 30 58 52 10 150 C 20 37 34 12 103 Start 22 114 312 208 656 Stub 17 55 282 520 874 List 10 46 2 58 Category 1 2 4 11 121 139 Disambig 4 1 1 14 20 Portal 1 4 5 Project 9 9 Redirect 2 4 6 Template 2 15 8 4 39 68 NA 1 1 Assessed 98 299 751 770 191 2,109 Total 98 299 751 770 191 2,109 New Good Articles: 2010 Price Chopper 400 Current Good Article Nominees: 2011 Budweiser Shootout Harley J. Earl Trophy 2010 Ford 400 New articles: 1972 World 600 2011 Subway Fresh Fit 500 1956 Buddy Shuman 250 1961 Wilkes 200 1960 National 400 1967 Greenville 200 1953 Wilkes 160 Patrick Sheltra 1958 Jim Mideon 500 1967 Carolina 500 1955 LeHi 300 Daytona 500 history 1962 Southern 500 1960 International 200 NASCAR National Commissioner FAS Lane Racing 1979 Coca-Cola 500 1985 Van Scoy Diamond Mine 500 Steve Gray (NASCAR driver) 1969 Alabama 200 1963 Pickens 200 1980 CRC Chemicals 500
Article of the month – 2010 Price Chopper 400, a recent GA The 2010 Price Chopper 400 was a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series stock car race that was held on October 3, 2010 at Kansas Speedway in Kansas City, Kansas. The 300 lap race was the twenty-ninth in the 2010 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series. The race was also the third event in the ten round Chase for the Sprint Cup competititon , which would concluded the 2010 season. Greg Biffle, of the Roush Fenway Racing team, won the race, with Jimmie Johnson finishing second and Kevin Harvick third. Pole position driver Kasey Kahne maintained his lead on the first lap to begin the race, as Jeff Gordon, who started in the third position on the grid, remained behind him. Twenty-three laps later Jeff Gordon became the leader of the race. After the final pit stops, Paul Menard became the leader of the race, but with less than fifty laps remaining, Biffle passed him. He maintained the first position to lead a total of sixty laps, and to win his second race of the season. There were five cautions and twenty lead changes among twelve different drivers throughout the course of the race. It was Greg Biffle's second win in the 2010 season, and the sixteenth of his career. The result moved Biffle up to eighth in the Drivers' Championship, eighty-five points behind Jimmie Johnson and sixteen ahead of Jeff Burton. Chevrolet maintained its lead in the Manufacturers' Championship, thirty-seven ahead of Toyota and seventy-seven ahead of Ford, with seven races remaining in the season. A total of 100,000 people attended the race, while 5.25 million watched it on television. (More...)
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Referencing

On 2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, does the results have to be sourced? Such as the drivers table in the article, does it need to be sourced for each race? Nascar1996 01:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Of course, per WP:VERIFY. That image of the nose better be legal, or fuss up and let me delete it. Royalbroil 13:02, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Thats what I thought. I replaced the image, and of course it should be deleted. However, is File:The NASCAR nose for 2011.jpg alright. I cropped it from the other version that is here. It said "If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.", and it does. --Nascar1996 16:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Really? So, how come for every single 2010 motorsport season article I read (bar F1) - and every single 2011 article thus far - there is not a single source or reference located inside of the "results" heading on the article where the general race result and results tables are located. What about results tables on individual driver's articles? I never see sources there. (And the only source that 2010 F1 article has is a link to an overall end-of-year FIA page with just the points totals, not the individual race reuslts.

According to WP:VERIFY, sources are only really needed for "any material likely to be challenged", and it's not like race results are someone that are necessarily challenge-able, seeing as they are fact. In fact, also in the same article it says "This means that a source must exist for it, whether or not it is cited in the article.". Yes, a source for race results and the like does exist, but it doesn't always need to be specifically cited, seeing as if anyone is really that bothered about believing it, they can go to the official page for it and check for themselves.

As I said before, this is ideally a discussion that should be done at WT:MOTOR, seeing as something like this affects all motorsport series' season articles, not just specifically the NASCAR Sprint Cup. TheChrisD 17:31, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I will start the thread at the talk page. I thought everything needs to be referenced unless it is obvious, such as the sky is blue. The results and standings I think would be challenged, and were last year. Nascar1996 17:44, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

Chris August, Starry Night (song)

Hello! Your submission of Chris August, Starry Night (song) at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know!

Thank you

Thanks for introducing me to Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Wisconsin! I have added myself to the list of members, and I hope I can make contributions that are suitable for your needs! :) Thanks again for inviting me! --Krauseaj 03:10, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. I've always felt like we are a group trying to do this. So we're trying to meet everyone's needs - especially the reader. Royalbroil 03:23, 4 March 2011 (UTC)

The articles

Hi Royalbroil. May I please ask for your help in making Flying penguins and Jafr alien invasion April Fools' Day DYK ready? You know much more about writing those articles than I ever will, and besides I have some problems with English. I will of course include you as a creator for both nominations. Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 16:48, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

May I please ask for your advise?

Hi Royalbroil, I wrote an article last night: Monty the meerkat. Of course it requires copy-editing of my English, but when it is done, do you think it could make a good DYK for April Fools' Day. I even came up with a silly (crazy) hook:

"Did you know that ... On September 6 2007 The Sun shone at mirror that reflected the light all over disturbing British mail and telegraph services, generating an event that never happened before in our times?

Thanks.--Mbz1 (talk) 17:39, 6 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I think it should be fine to propose. I think you should stop with this one because we don't want to get too many of a good thing. Perhaps some for another year? However, I don't understand your proposed hook at all - it must be grammar issues. I would appreciate trying to understand what you're trying to do - probably just a few prepositions. Is the mirror supposed to refer to the mirror in the camera? Also "The Sun" give away it over "the sun". The grammar in the article is pretty good. There are a few items that I found when checking closer after not seeing in a quick read. Royalbroil 04:30, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the response. In the hook I played with the names of newspapers that reprinted the hoax as a real thing, those newspapers were The Times, The Daily Telegraph, The Sun,Daily Mail and Daily Mirror. If you are to click at those words, it would take you to the articles about those newspapers. I simply wanted to make the hook in such a way that it would be hard to understand, and the readers would be interested in going to read the article.

But to tell you the truth after that unfair comment about my other article, I am not sure I'd like to nominate any more for AFD DYK. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 04:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

April Fools Reviews

Hey Royal, I was about to start reviewing april fools DYK's again since everyone is just proposing more and more ALTs and nothing is moving forward. The only issue is that i keep getting lost as to what the most current ALT is and/or what people are seeming to think is the funniest. I have been away for roughly the past week and have missed alot of the conversations. You have been at AF DYK longer than i have, so any help would be great.--Found5dollar (talk) 17:34, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

talkback

DYK for Chris August

On 12 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Chris August, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Chris August received five 2011 Dove Award nominations, including the Song of the Year nod, for his debut single "Starry Night"? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:23, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Starry Night (song)

On 12 March 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Starry Night (song), which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Chris August received five 2011 Dove Award nominations, including the Song of the Year nod, for his debut single "Starry Night"? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 01:24, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

On the new NASCAR wiki format and some other things

Royalbroil, I'm not a big fan of the new NASCAR driver page format. On Trevor Bayne's page, there are alot of repeats of information, such as him being born in Knoxville Tennessee and how he started out in go-karts, won some awards, joined up with MWR, won the Daytona 500 etc. Alof of the sections aren't well filled in also. I was hoping to fix that because it looks kinda sloppy from my perspective. Also, the issue of transitioning from the use of # to number just looks weird to me. I'd much prefer to have it be No. for the article itself throughout. I hope this is making sense to you :|

Btw, how many other editors are checking up on and updating the NASCAR portion of wikipedia?Gaeaman787 (talk) 04:10, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you don't like the format, but that's how all articles are supposed to be formatted according to the Manual of Style. The reason is so that a reader can look at the lead paragraph to find a summary of the person in just a few paragraphs. I recently found out why this is so helpful when I recently read some pages on my new cell phone. There's no way that I want to read a whole article on it - it would take forever. All information in the lead needs to be repeated later using reliable sources in the article per WP:LEAD. So you can change the summary in the lead but not very much. What you can do is expand the areas that are short like you've said. I don't know what you're talking about with transitioning from # to number. Do you mean in the infobox or how numbers below 20 should be written out (see WP:ORDINAL)? NASCAR articles need to comply with the Manual of Style just like the rest of the articles, especially if we want to improve them to Good or Featured standards (which is happening now that we've finally figured these issues out). It originally felt weird to start adding inline citations to reliable sources in NASCAR articles; now I can't imagine it any other way. I'd say there are about 5 contributors who regularly work on NASCAR articles. Royalbroil 04:42, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)If you would rather see # than number, or No. you can easily change that. I could have used the abbreviation of the entire word. I just don't like # in the sections because it doesn't seem like the correct prose to use. Also, the amount of editors that are updating our articles are really low. We need new users and contributions in my opinion. --] (] • ]) 10:35, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Well I'm here to help! My issue on Bayne's article is that the one heading that is supposed to be about his early and personal life only contains two sentences. Though I am surprised that there are such a low amount of fans editing the NASCAR sections. I'll keep updating on sponsorship changes in the series via Jayski. Also, has anyone figured out who the crew chief for the #41 Rick Ware Racing Ford is? Because it's definitely not Doug Richert. Gaeaman787 (talk) 02:30, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

It only has two sentences because that is the only material I found in the references. I agree, it does need expansion, but we need sources for them. --] (] • ]) 19:38, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

I've found it to be very difficult to find reliable sources for many people's background, especially racers. Royalbroil 01:41, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm wondering if Trevor Bayne will have some of that information on his official web site when its completed. --] (] • ]) 01:45, 18 March 2011 (UTC)

Dirt Track Racing 2

Not sure if this is where to put it, but the reason I put the link to the Team VLR site up in the Dirt Track Racing 2 article is because there were two other links to other sites in the same section. Those links had been there for almost three years, and both sites on their are no longer in existence. I simply updated it to put the VLR site on there in place of it since it is still going and updated daily. If it wasn't OK for it to be listed on there, then the other two web sites shouldn't have been either, but they were on there for a long time. I was simply trying to bring the article more up to date. Sorry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.116.6.10 (talk) 23:47, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Those other 2 links didn't belong either and I would have deleted them had I noticed them. Adding web sites that are not official get removed from Misplaced Pages. If you take a step back, non-official websites come across as being promotion for these websites. The question was asked "why should any tangential link be allowed?" and the answer is no links like that. I'm glad that we can discuss this rationally and I'm not upset with you. I'm relieved that I won't have to deal with it beyond this. Royalbroil 23:55, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Question on images

Hello, the image copyright holder of this Flickr image has gave permission to use the photo. The uploader is supposed to send me the high resolution photo. What all should I include on the image page when I upload it? --] (] • ]) 04:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Good job with helping with the Harley J. Earl Trophy at GA. I'm surprised that we didn't get edit conflicts. You definitely should link to the image at flickr. The flickr bot will find a discrepancy that the images are not identical but that's okay. I'd make it obvious in the file description that you're uploading a higher resolution which was agreed on the flickr talk page. A flickr reviewer or admin at Commons will need to verify the license which I can do if nothing else. Please ask the flickr uploader on the talk page if the original photographer agrees with Creative Commons Attribution ShareAlike so it's documented. Crossing your i's and dotting your t's is real important with all images. I check out the background on images. It looks like Maverick Helicopters contracted a photographer to take these pictures, so this is one of the rare cases where the paying business owns the license over a photographer that they contracted for hire. This image would be very helpful for Las Vegas Motor Speedway's article if you would please ask about that one too. Thanks for asking! Royalbroil 04:48, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

When I upload the high resolution image on commons, I will also need to include the creator of the image (Tom Donoghue Photography). I believe that he did ask about the right license since I said, "However, the license would have to be changed to Attribution, Share Alike." However I will ask him again. I would appreciate further help from yourself at Commons when I finaly get the image. --] (] • ]) 12:54, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Both images are now uploaded here. --] (] • ]) 22:20, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Since all of the licensing was addressed by the uploader, everything went well. I see no problems! Since you got their attention, is there any other ones that you're interested in? I usually check through all of their contributions and usually finds lots more! Royalbroil 23:32, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

I haven't looked. There might be some though! --] (] • ]) 23:45, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (March 2011)

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Article of the month – 2010 Ford 400, a new Good Article The 2010 Ford 400 was a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series stock car race that was held on November 21, 2010 at Homestead Miami Speedway in Homestead, Florida. The 267 lap race was the thirty-sixth in the 2010 NASCAR Sprint Cup Series, as well as the final race in the ten-race Chase for the Sprint Cup, which ends the season. The race was won by Carl Edwards for the Roush Fenway Racing team. Jimmie Johnson finished second, and Kevin Harvick clinched third. Pole position driver Kasey Kahne maintained his lead on the first lap of the race. Edwards started in the second position on the grid, and became the leader of the race on the fourth lap. Shortly after a restart on lap 22, championship leader Denny Hamlin spun sideways, resulting with damage to his splitter. Martin Truex, Jr. took the lead on lap 73, but after the final pit stops Edwards was first. He maintained the lead to win the race, having led it for 192 laps. A total of 67,000 people attended the race, while 5.605 million watched it on television. There were ten cautions in the race, as well as twenty-five lead changes among nine different drivers. Edwards' victory was his second win in the 2010 season, with the first coming the previous week at the Kobalt Tools 500. Jimmie Johnson won the Drivers' Championship, 39 points ahead of Denny Hamlin. Johnson's team owner Rick Hendrick won the Owners' Championship. Chevrolet won the Manufacturer Championship with 261 points, 44 points ahead of Toyota. (More...)
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Photo: Ferryville, Wisconsin and Governor Lucey

Hi I have a photo request; if you ever go back to Ferryville, Wisconsin would you please take a photo of the Governor Pat Lucey Wisconsin Historical Society marker? It would make a great photo for the Ferryville and Governor Lucey articles, Thank you-RFD (talk) 19:38, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Email

I know you rather not get emails, but I rather not put it here. You have been emailed! --] (] • ]) 19:23, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

I don't mind email. Just let me know so that I check. Royalbroil 02:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

I responded. --] (] • ]) 10:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Quick question: Did you say I should upload the photos here or on Flickr first? --] (] • ]) 02:18, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't understand your question. If you want to upload your personal photos for Misplaced Pages then upload to Commons. You can also upload them to flickr if you want to. I caught the ending of 2 straight NASCAR races and it was another excellent finish today again. I bet lots of Earnhardt fans weren't happy but it was good for someone who's driver don't do as well anymore (former local racer Kenseth who I saw come up thru the ranks in the 1990s). Royalbroil 02:23, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Though you didn't understand my question, you still answered it. :) It was a great finish and race. I had a great time while there. --] (] • ]) 10:28, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

You went!? The short tracks are the best tracks to attend or watch on TV. I like watching road courses a lot too. Royalbroil 12:16, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh yes! It was awesome. I even brought a little sun burn back with me. I'm looking through my photos to see which are the best, then I will upload those here. --] (] • ]) 01:07, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I look forward to seeing them! I suggest a Commons category for the race like I've been doing for races at Road America. Royalbroil 01:08, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm uploading them to Flickr first so you could recommend the best photos. The sun reflection off the cars messed up some of them, but quite a few of them are good. I plan to create a category for the race, but not until I know what pictures to upload here. --] (] • ]) 02:04, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Since I uploaded them to Commons first, would you rather me upload them by Flickr Upload Bot, or as 'It is entirely my own work?' Also, do you want me to upload every picture you commented on, or just the ones that has where the picture could be added to (track article, season, race article?) More new mail, btw. --] (] • ]) 02:01, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gravity Park USA

Hi, I just approved your hook for Gravity Park USA. Just wanted to note that Footnote #10 is a dead link. Best, Yoninah (talk) 13:32, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

April Fools Talk Pages

Hi Royalbroil, Thanks for working on April Fools again this year. I have a request, could you move the talk pages for each AF department to the pages they are supposed to be? right now they all redirect to the 2010 AF suggestions talks. It gets tough to move back and forth between talk and main page. Thanks again for your help!--Found5dollar (talk) 14:00, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Gravity Park USA

On 3 April 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Gravity Park USA, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Perry Prichard established a 24-hour motocross distance world record (pictured) at Gravity Park USA as a benefit for Haitian relief? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:02, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Green Bay Packers

Thanks 66.234.33.8 (talk) 01:24, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

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--Kumioko (talk) 01:16, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Hey there Buddy

Hey RB, how you doing these days? Been ages my friend, hope life is treating you well. Hey, I was cleaning out some of my user space, and noticed . If you wanna move that out to article space, I have no objections. Hopefully during the coming weeks I'll be able to get some clean-up work done on it, links, expand, results, etc., but it doesn't have to sit in my area to do that. Still getting caught up on all the changes around here, but looks like much of it has not changed. (other than the names, and what to argue about .. lol) Anyway, hope you are well, and hope to chat soon. — Ched :  ?  05:48, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

also have a 1969 one, but I haven't checked to see if there is one for that, or if it's also just a redirect. But, it's nowhere near ready yet. — Ched :  ?  05:54, 7 April 2011 (UTC)

Peter Orno

Hi Royal! I thought that you approved the DYK hook for April Fools' Day (per AGF for some material), but you didn't move it to approved. May I address any outstanding issues, or should another editor move it? Thanks!  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 23:04, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

I let it wait to see if anyone objected after a drawn out discussion. Since there was none, I moved to the verified pool. Thanks! Royalbroil 03:52, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

That's a good policy, especially because of the visibility of the April Fools' Day DYK. Thanks for your work! Best regards,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz  (Discussion) 12:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

...working

Hey RB, thanks for the help/work on the '57 article. I'm thinking of moving it out sometime next week, but hope to do a DYK for it. (not sure which hook yet). The reason I'd like to get the DYK is that it's the year I was born. (yea, pretty stupid reason, but there were a few rather notable things that year). I also started the 1954 one, and might push it out this weekend. Don't see much there for a DYK (other than Lee Petty's first championship) so probably won't nom it for DYK ... but what do you think? Also have 1969 just barely started too - but just barely. I'm going to try to get the rest of the years too that are now just redirects over the coming weeks/months: 1954 (working), 1956, 1958 (working) (not sure about DYK yet), 1959, 1960, 1962, 1964, 1967, 1968, and the '69 one. If you have any thoughts or ideas, let me know. Cheers and best buddy. :-) — Ched :  ?  11:49, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'd do a DYK for all of them. The facts don't have to be amazing just interesting. The first championship for Petty Enterprises is very interesting - I bet that team has the most (good hook!). I'm doing well, don't have as much time for Misplaced Pages anymore but do when I can. I'm glad to see you back! Royalbroil 12:23, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm .. hadn't considered the "most" championships angle. ... Not sure but you might be right. RCR=7? Hendrick=8 or 9? ... R. Petty (7) + Lee (3) would be 10 ... did anyone else get a championship under them do you know? I'll let you know when I'm pretty much done with one though, then you can look it over too before I push it out. Glad to see you're still around too. I don't have the time to spend here that I used to, but maybe that's a good thing in some ways too. I have picked up a new hobby (now if I could just get good at it .. lol. Oh well, Cheers and best buddy ,.,. ttys — Ched :  ?  21:55, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

After doing a short amount of research I found that Johnson's 2010 championship last year broke Hendricks' tie (10) with Petty (9) . I think Richard Petty won a championship for someone else for 1 year. I still spend lots of time track chasing in Wisconsin. I've gotten into photographing National Register of Historic Places lists. I sold an image (which is used here on Misplaced Pages) which was published in a major magazine here in Wisconsin. I'm quite happy with how two sets from Road America turned out last year - this set from the Nationwide race and this set from the SCCA National champions. Royalbroil 03:33, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

You've been to Crandon?

I've been looking through some articles about Crandon, Forest County, and some related topics and I see you have contributed quite a bit to all of those articles. I also noticed you're the author of some of the images of Crandon. Are you from around here? I grew up in Crandon and my parents still live there. I've been either in Madison or Wausau the last two years for school but I'm there pretty much every weekend and all summer long. Let me know if there's anything I can do to help out any related articles (editing, images, etc...). I would like to get more involved in Misplaced Pages but as of right now I'm completely new to all of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smithaustin2009 (talk • contribs) 06:59, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (April 2011)

The WikiProject NASCAR Newsletter Volume 1 · No. 10 · March 26, 2011 – April 25, 2011 Previous month's issue - Next month's issue
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Article of the month – 2011 Budweiser Shootout, a new Good article The 2011 Budweiser Shootout was a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series stock car race that was held on February 12, 2011 at Daytona International Speedway in Daytona Beach, Florida. Contested over 75 laps, it was the first exhibition race of the 2011 Sprint Cup Series season. The race was won by Kurt Busch for the Penske Racing team. Jamie McMurray finished second, and Ryan Newman clinched third. Pole position driver Dale Earnhardt, Jr. maintained his lead through the first corner, but Clint Bowyer, who started seventh on the grid, led the first lap. On the 25th lap, the first caution was given, as Jeff Burton became the leader. During the caution all the teams made a pit stop . Two laps later, an accident involving several racecars prompted the second caution to be given. On lap 63, Newman became the leader. He maintained the lead until the final lap, when Denny Hamlin passed him below the yellow line (out of bounds line), as Busch passed him on the other side. Hamlin passed Newman below the yellow line giving the win to Kurt Busch. There were four cautions and 28 lead changes among ten different drivers throughout the course of the race. It was Busch's first win in the 2011 season, as well as his first win at a track that uses restrictor plates, such as Daytona International Speedway and Talladega Superspeedway. A total of 80,000 people attended the race, while 7.8 million watched it on television. (More...)
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To Do List

With the help of the gnis citation I got the Wisconsin communities on your list done. I am relunctant to do the Michigan communities because the editors there do their unincorporated communities a little differently. Thank you-RFD (talk) 00:14, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

Oh, thank you! I was anticipating that TheCatalyst would do it but this works for me! Good idea about avoiding the Michigan articles. Royalbroil 00:51, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

The Paulding, Michigan article is done-The Catalyst 31 started it. I finally figure out the gnis citation so that helps. You are current with your things to do list with new communities. Some editors do not like the Hometown locator website a little spammish but the GNIS citations make reference to it. In defense for the Hometown Locator website, this does serve its purpose for a citation especially if you can not get to the GNIS site right away. The Wisconsin Historical Society Dictionary of History also serves as a gazetter that can be use as a citation. Thank you-RFD (talk) 12:53, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

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. --Kumioko (talk) 17:04, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

Unincorporated communities in Wisconsin

Hi-I started some articles on some unincorporated communities in Wisconsin. I used the US Geological Service citation. One or 2 editors do not like the Hometown Locator-a little spammy. However, the GNIS citation also has reference to the Hometown Locator. I notice you have photos concerning Hayton, Wisconsin so I started the article. Anome's bot puts in the coordinations for the various articles involving geography so I am not too concern about that. I had been doing articles on the various members of the Wisconsin Legislature and other public officials and am getting a little burnt out so I am going back to the unincorporated communities in Wisconsin. I hope you are doing-Thanks again-RFD (talk) 22:33, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Bummer about Hayton. I was planning to work up that article myself since I'm very familiar with the place - enough to do something real good versus the sub-stub that you put up. I even put the photos in a section titled "Articles that I'll do by myself". I used the edit summary "remove completed items, add one that I'll do myself". Oh well, too late. I haven't looked at the quality of either of these references but thanks for making me aware of these concerns. The unincorporated community articles are a lot less stress than politicians. I'm doing okay but I'd be better if I wasn't dealing with the stresses of a recent death and another upcoming death in my family. Royalbroil 03:03, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

My apologies about the Hayton, Wisconsin article. I had been using the GNIS citation and that is accurate. Sorry about your family. Thank you-RFD (talk) 10:07, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:NASCAR Newsletter (May 2011)

The WikiProject NASCAR Newsletter Volume 1 · No. 11 · April 26, 2011 – May 25, 2011 Previous month's issue - Next month's issue
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Article of the month – 2011 Subway Fresh Fit 500 The 2011 Subway Fresh Fit 500 was a NASCAR Sprint Cup Series stock car race held on February 27, 2011 at Phoenix International Raceway in Avondale, Arizona. Contested over 312 laps, it was the second race of the 2011 season. The race was won by Jeff Gordon for the Hendrick Motorsports team. Kyle Busch finished second, and Jimmie Johnson clinched third. Pole position driver Carl Edwards maintained his lead on the first lap to begin the race, as Kurt Busch, who started in the second position on the grid, remained behind him. On the 29th lap, the first caution was given because of debris. Forty-eight laps later, a multiple car accident occurred, which involved 13 drivers. Afterward, several lead changes, and four more cautions occurred. With nine laps remaining, Gordon passed Kyle Busch for the first position. Gordon maintained the lead to win his first race of the season, and his first in more than 60 races. There were eight cautions and 29 lead changes among 12 different drivers throughout the course of the race, Gordon's first win of the season. The result moved Gordon to the sixth position in the Drivers' Championship. He remained 15 points behind first place driver Kyle Busch and one ahead of Bobby Labonte in seventh. In the Manufacturers' Championship, Toyota, Ford and Chevrolet had twelve points, four points ahead of Dodge. A total of 75,000 people attended the race, while 10.36 million watched it on television. (More...)
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--] (] • ]) 20:55, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Template opinion

Could you please express your opinions on templates similar to {{2011 NASCAR Sprint Cup}}? I don't think the table is needed on the race articles. It also makes it seem like a infobox goes all the way down the article. Could we change it into a template similar to {{F1GP 10-19}}? --] (] • ]) 20:23, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Either way is fine with me. Most of the time it is done with a template link on the bottom like you suggest changing to and I prefer it to be changed.

I saw the end of the 600 race this weekend and it was enjoyable even if my driver (Kenseth) had the best car and didn't win it. I bet a lot of Jr. fans were upset. I guess it was fate that he ran out of gas in the final corner. Royalbroil 04:39, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

Another editor and I are discussing the template on WT:NASCAR.

I watched the entire 600 race, it was quite enjoyable. I'm surprised Harvick ran with victory, I didn't even know he was second!. I would have rather Earnhardt, Jr. win the race since, my favorite driver's (Johnson) engine failed. This season has seemed like it is bringing more fans to the race track and watching on tv. Are you planning to attend the Road America race this year? --] (] • ]) 09:57, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I just ordered the tickets for Road America. I have several friends who know people on the track's board which helps get a good deal. Since there is surprising consensus expecting someone to reconfigure the template someone theoretically should change it. Why the commentators expect you to do it when you disagree is beyond me (I wouldn't do it if I strongly disagreed - I just wouldn't add it to any more articles). Royalbroil 03:24, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thats nice to have. Also, I did take some photos at the All-Star race, but they didn't turn out to well. I also figured out what happen to my other pictures (the lines.) I researched it on the internet and it said that it had that because the lighting was bright, etc. I'm already wanting another camera because of this feature. However to get that I'm going to have to buy it myself. Thats hard when your unemployed. --] (] • ]) 23:51, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

A DSLR camera like mine will cost over $600 and you can double that to get a telephoto lens. Very hard when you're not employed! I bet you'll be living with the lines! I know that I would. Royalbroil 03:55, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I probably will live with the lines. I may be able to get it to work properly eventually. (I may not be using it right) --] (] • ]) 09:54, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Not really related to the above topic, but have you finished the peer review of Jimmie Johnson. If so, what are your opinions of GAN? --] (] • ]) 23:01, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm peer reviewing that article? I'm just too busy right now to work on it now. I haven't even checked my watchlist in about 1 week. I urgently needed to get a book back which is why I worked on that today. Also, I see on Commons that you have more flickrwashing for me to address. How is that image of Jimmie Johnson being used because it comes up on hundreds of articles? Is it used on some template? Royalbroil 04:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

On the talk page it has a section named 'Peer review by Royalbroil.' The image, which was also flickr washed in February was on a template but has since been removed. --] (] • ]) 10:04, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

By some of your comments on the peer review it seems like it is ready for GA review. I added a couple more sources to update recent events, and everything is referenced. --] (] • ]) 20:27, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

I definitely am not implying it's ready for GA review by my comments. You can do that if you want (I won't be upset), but I have only gone through a small part of the article. Royalbroil 04:23, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll wait until you have time to finish the peer review. --] (] • ]) 13:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

66.190.32.220...

Yet another Asher IP; he attempted to friend me on Facebook this evening and lashed out on Twitter (blocked on both counts) for reverting his addition of his personal site to the Sheboygan article a few months back. Nate • (chatter) 02:31, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

In fact, it's not a "personal website" at all. It's a company-owned online newspaper. Does sheboyganshore.com look personal to you? Doesn't look "personal" to the 100,000+ readers. 66.190.32.220 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 02:44, 30 May 2011 (UTC).

Here's what I think when I read WP:EL in this situation. Any newspaper or news media doesn't belong in the city's article. The only link that I think should remain is the official city website. Fewer articles now have more than the official website on the topic. Not the police's official website. Not a tourism website. (Does this belong to something official, and even if so, why should it remain?) What is this Sheboygan History website and why should it remain? Doesn't look official to me. The burden of proving why it should remain belongs on the person who wants to keep it. I never had problems with Asher's conduct but others were taken off by him. I felt like he was young person who could be molded if given the proper mentoring. After he was blocked I met another new Wikipedian from another part of the country who was a NASCAR fan. Others were getting irritated but I ended up being a big help with mentoring him to the point where he now has done several Good Articles. Too bad others didn't have enough patience with Asher. Royalbroil 04:49, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

I decided to remove the tourism and history sites (the latter doesn't look official at all or from at the very least the county historical society), but keep the police site; I was wavering towards doing that in the last couple days. As for the other issue I was patient with them in the beginning, but their push for self-promotion of themselves in all venues here (including this AfC attempt about themselves three months ago) tried my patience, and I think they even had a mentor here before they gave up on him. To me, unless they can abide by the rules and stops their self-promotion (or as in this edit by the IP, claims their group bought the school district radio station at a lowball price), I cannot welcome their contributions. Nate • (chatter) 07:48, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

WOW! I've never viewed that AfC before. I've never seen promotional rubbish that bad before. I didn't know that he was still attempting around here. I thought it was years ago. No one is going to support editing like that. Any encyclopedia that would accept content like that would immediately fall out of favor with all readers. Royalbroil 12:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Vulcan Street Plant

I noticed you added a photo for "former location of Vulcan Street Plant" in Appleton. It doesn't look like this though Do you know where this is? Just wondering.--Marcbela (talk) 23:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I had to leave abruptly in the middle of adding the image. I went to the site several times and I actually toured the Paper Discovery Center which is now at the site. A few hundred feet away are signs and maps that describe the history of the area along with a detailed map of what is there now and what had been there when the Vulcan plant was there. I photographed the signs for future reference and I'm using them to make this determination. I can't post them here because it would be a copyright violation. They have a postcard image of the Vulcan Street Plant along with the Tioga Mill and Appleton Paper & Pulp Mill (its foundation is still remains at the edge of the Fox River). The Vulcan Mill looked NOTHING like the image that you linked to. I don't recognize the locale but I'm not a local person. The coordinates on the map that you linked to is located over 1 hour's drive from Appleton so I'm confused. Royalbroil 03:51, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I have seen this small building several places in my searches, including on the ASCE's flickr page. It looks like there is a plaque there also. It seems like a very special landmark, since it's recognized by the ASCE, the ASME and the IEEE.--Marcbela (talk) 10:53, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I'd love to photograph this location if you can figure out where it is! Royalbroil 04:09, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Charles Robinson architect or builder in Greenbush

Could you possibly please comment at Talk:Charles M. Robinson#development about the Charles Robinson who is associated as builder, architect, or engineer with 3 NRHPs in Greenbush, Wisconsin. It would be great to clarify if same person as Charles M. Robinson or not. --doncram 12:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Need to block a anonymous user-please respond!

To any NASCAR related administrators,

I need you to ban a certain anonymous user's IP address. It is 97.83.123.13 He keeps making false changes to the Sprint Cup Limited Schedule section of drivers, claiming that HP is running the #55, with Family Dollar and "Transformers 3, Turner Motorsrpots is running in the Cup Series (which they're not). The problem with the user is that he keeps making so many tiny edits that it's impossible to fully undo all of the damage he's done. Please respond to this ASAP, as I personally fear that this user will end up causing more damage to the Sprint Cup pagesGaeaman787 (talk) 14:29, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

WP United States in the Signpost

"WikiProject Report" would like to focus on WikiProject United States for a Signpost article to be published on the Fourth of July. This is an excellent opportunity to draw attention to your efforts and attract new members to the project. Would you be willing to participate in an interview? If so, here are the questions for the interview. Just add your response below each question and feel free to skip any questions that you don't feel comfortable answering. Other editors will also have an opportunity to respond to the interview questions and responses may be trimmed if the final article becomes too long. If you know anyone else who would like to participate in the interview, please share this with them. Have a great day. -Mabeenot (talk) 22:37, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

June 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States

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Mentioned in discussion

You may wish to comment in a discussion in which you were mentioned at WT:NRHP#Comment on Straw Polls, "decisions" and consensus. Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan (talk) 14:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

I saw it and decided not to comment. Too much drama. Royalbroil 02:55, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Bay View, Kewaunee, County, Wisconsin

Hi- I started an article about Bay View, Kewaunee County, Wisconsin. I do not know if you have any photos about the community. Thank you-RFD (talk) 00:56, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback: User talk:GVnayR

Theleftorium 10:30, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

The Shrine of Our Lady of Good Help

I am wondering if the article about the Shrine of Our Lady of Good Help could be used as a feature article. I would not be too surprise if the Shrine is elevated to a minor basilica. Also the article about Bay Settlement, Wisconsin was started. Thanks-RFD (talk) 21:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Featured Article is a HUGE task which I'm not apparently not capable of. I've tried and Good Article is the best that I'll shoot for. I have better things to do than spend months of my time on one article just to find that some minor detail isn't done by some obscure method that is constantly changing. This article is very small so extremely far from featured. FA is a long, difficult and involved process that is very formal. There's a page where you nominate it and then everyone throws arrows at it. Royalbroil 03:01, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks-RFD (talk) 11:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Asher's at it again

I just removed one of Asher's websites from the Above & Beyond article. The website says: "Website Designed by Sheboygan Communications" which is linked to Asher. I thought he was banned from editing?? 66.190.32.220 (talk) 22:13, 19 June 2011 (UTC)