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AFD was closed to early. Consensus was not allowed to develop. This is the second early close by an administrator for this attack page KoshVorlon' _{Nal Aeria} 12:13, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Endorse. I'm personally uncomfortable about the article. Then again, I think it is a valid topic based on Misplaced Pages's non-censorship and notability guidelines. I therefore simply avoided the discussions, because opinions mean nothing in deletion discussions unless they lick up to Wikilaw. But the admin was definitely right here. Given that the consensus was clearly keep eight days ago, and therefore likely to be a clear keep in this discussion, closing the discussion early was if nothing else a courtesy to the subject. Prolonging the drama when the result is inevitable is only going to result in wasted time on all side, heated arguments, and possibly further harm to the subject (on the assumption that harm has been caused so far). Maybe, over time, the tide will turn. —WFC— 12:33, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• This request is forum-shopping. The AfD was correctly closed early, per WP:SNOWBALL; there was no consensus to delete, it was obvious there wasn't going to be one, and the previous AfD for exactly the same content -- the fourth successive failed AfD for this article -- had finished only days before. -- The Anome (talk) 12:39, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• Ineffective - As we have seen through much discussion and AfDs and such, this is a topic that shows the glaring failure of Misplaced Pages's crowd-sourced approach to editing; "anyone can edit" sometimes means the mob with the bigger pitchforks and the brighter torches can carry the day. Unless someone wishes to contact the senator's people and have them file an official complaint, this article is too well-protected to be taken down by anything short of an office action. Tarc (talk) 13:10, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• An RfC that ran from 4th to 16th June on a proposal to rename and merge this article, which attracted 148 comments and a very thorough discussion, did not endorse the merge. An AfD has no prospect of passing at this time. --Anthonyhcole (talk) 13:12, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• Oh, for crying out loud This article has survived four AfD requests, with three of them ending in clear consensuses to keep (the fourth was closed with no consensus.) It has been reviewed several times with regards to biography of living persons and found sufficiently neutral. The content is notable: there are currently 123 citations; the ongoing efforts to censor the Misplaced Pages by -- and the media attention these attempts are attracting -- only gives weight to its notability. The fourth AfD request was closed early because the recent third AfD was very clearly a consensus to keep. I would provide links, but the recent change in name -- done in an effort to satisfy editors who thought that Santorum (neologism) was too confusing -- seems to have gummed up the internal search engine. The current round of censorship started one week before Santorum announced his bid for President and has been unrelenting since: the latest attempt at purging Santorum's santorum "problem" having failed, partisans are now demanding that the whole article be censored. Because these attempts started a week before Santorum announced his bid for President, it is extremely difficult to believe that these are good faith efforts. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 14:03, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  Please strike that personal attack. — Coren  14:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  I have pointed out the very convenient timing between Rick Santorum's official announcement as a candidate for president, and the sudden, very intense interest in the article in question. That is not a personal attack. However, Tarc, just below, is attacking me. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 14:49, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  Techbear, you do recall that most everyone who has voiced opposition to this ridiculous page on a fake neologism has at one point or another prefaced their comments with a "...as much as I dislike Rick Santorum's politics" or a "while I agree with Dan Savage's opinion...", right? Those who oppose this subject matter are not paid staff members of the election campaign, so I cordially invite you to take that accusation and get stuffed. Tarc (talk) 14:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  A "fake" neologism that has been recognized as such by several reliable and notable sources, according to the citations. TechBear | Talk | Contributions 14:47, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

  A nice strawman that ignores your "these attempts started a week before Santorum announced his bid for President" commentary. Lulz, how pathetic. Tarc (talk) 14:50, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

• Endorse; there is clearly consensus to document the attack itself, even though an article that was titled by the faux-neologism was improper. Given that it has since been renamed to something saner, there is no good reason to rehash its existence again. — Coren  14:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• Endorse: clearly a snow keep given the recent RfC. // ⌘macwhiz (talk) 14:19, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• Endorse. KoshVorlon, will you quit forum shopping? By my estimation this is your seventh attempt to get this page deleted this month. Misplaced Pages's deletion process isn't shoot-till-you-win, and your constant refusal to admit that other people disagree with you is well over the line into disruption. – iridescent 14:25, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
• Endores. This is nothing but a sleazy attempt to permanently keep the wording at the top of the article's page. Please block KoshVorlon until he recovers. The rest of us are trying to play by the rules, and this sort of game-playing is counter-productive and unWikipedian. Flatterworld (talk) 15:14, 21 June 2011 (UTC)