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Baba louis, why don't you look at the original post and take a look at who vandalized it. I wrote the original text, and the vandals changed it to what it is now. Hamsacharya dan 06:15, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no original text. Only an ellipsis. And the history doesn't bear you out, looks like User:Adityanath started the article. Anyway, if you don't like the text, don't take it out: replace it with something better. If you don't have anything better to say, you should leave it be. If you know it's wrong, you have to know what's right, don't you? ---Baba Louis 06:19, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I wrote the text into Misplaced Pages - originally I put it in the Mahavatar Babaji page. Adityanath then moved it into the page you are looking at. Please see the history of Mahavatar Babaji page to see who first added the text. Hamsacharya dan 06:24, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Too much work. If you don't have anything to replace it with, leave it alone. If you do, fix it. If you remove text again, I'll revert it as vandalism. If you put it back four times, this is what happens: WP:3RR ---Baba Louis 06:38, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

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Hello, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! We appreciate your contributions to the Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath article, but we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or printed material. Perhaps you would like to rewrite the article in your own words. For more information, take a look at Misplaced Pages's policies and guidelines. Happy editing! Adityanath 22:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath

Hello. Thanks for your note. I'll respond to the copyright info first. You might want to read the page GFDL. While you can give limited permission for an image, you can't for text. All text on WP is automatically released under the GFDL, which basicly means that anyone can use, reuse, edit or otherwise do whatever they want with it, including print it, change it to say the opposite of what it originally said, etc. etc. as long as they also license the result under the GFDL. WP policy is that the author or copyright agent responsible for the work has to explicitly release the material under GFDL. Thus when I move stuff I wrote from nathorder.org to here I put a comment that says that I wrote it and that I GFDL it. I suspect that if the HYS copyright agent understands these implications that they will not want to release under GFDL. I may be wrong though. If they agree, simply go to the entry on the WP:CV page and put a note under it which states who is the copyright agent and that they gave permission to release under the GFDL and probably give some means of contact so the admins can verify this directly.

I'll respond to the rest of your message later as I've only had time to scan it quickly this AM. One thing that stands out, though, is the idea of being a Siddha by birth. Do you mean a member of the Siddha lineage, or do you simply mean that he had siddhis at birth. The former is not possible as far as I know. I suspect that many misunderstandings may simply be wording. Another possible misunderstanding is the use of the term "Adi Nath Sampradaya" - I think YGS uses it as a synonym for "Nath Sampradaya" - unforunately it was also the name of a small subsect of the Naths which came to an end with the death of Shri Gurudev Mahendranath. I'm sure we can come up with wording which will allow this distinction to be made explicit in the Adi Nath article.

More later --Adityanath 14:06, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Further responses at Talk:Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath now... Adityanath 21:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Edits to Kriya Yoga and other related pages

I'm not sure that I quite understand what you are talking about. I can't see where I left you any comments other than this one. Could you show me where I made the comment and also where NoToFrauds has defaced your edits, etc. It would make it a lot easier. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 21:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi CambridgeBayWeather,

Evidence 1: I want to submit for your records the following message on the talk page of NoToFrauds:

Brother

I will have to leave this mess in your capable hands. Do what you will, I've removed the warning and will clear from admin messageboard. I will be on vacation for a week starting tomorrow. You must eat this message :-) You should be aware that Mercury is retrograde until March 25th. It will be hard to control the speech of rascals. Please keep an eye on Nath and Adi-Nath for me. I will disappear until Mercury goes direct again then clean up any remaining mess. Remember, eat this message. —Adityanath 23:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Eating a message as far as I understand means that they are trying to hide something - namely their bias. I am the only one that has been making edits to Nath page to add information about Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath - it is clear that he is referring to me. Adityanath is apparently in cahoots with NoToFrauds to vandalize my edits. How many other talk edits have been masked by "eating messages" I have no idea. But I'm sure there have been several.

Evidence 2: Please see the history of the "Mahavatar Babaji" page - and note the incessant vandalism of edits, and the attempts by moderators to revert those edits from NoToFrauds on March 8th. Please further note the subsequent barrage of edits from both Adityanath and NoToFrauds. Please also see the Talk page comment by "NoToFrauds"

Evidence 3: Please see the history of the "Kriya Yoga" page - and note the recent barrage of that have extinguished mine and other recent editors attempts to include supplementary information, in an effort to keep only the information that they want seen. Please note on the Talk page the comment by "NoToNuts" whom I believe to be the same person as NoToFrauds.

Evidence 4: Please see the history of the flagged page "Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath", which I had written, and which had been flagged for possible copyright restrictions - this was my mistake in not knowing the correct channels to include references to copyright author permission of reprint. However, please note in the history the edits made by NoToFrauds which show blatant vandalism of this page. Please note that the IP address for the vandal is 80.176.161.205 - I have not verified whether this is the same IP as used by NoToFrauds, but my suspicion is that it is. This same IP address has also vandalized my edits and others' edits on the aforementioned pages. Please definitely note the comments by NoToFrauds on the Talk page, there are two and they are near the bottom.

Evidence 5: Please see the history of the "Nath" page, and note the editing of my posts by Adityanath, who has been guarding this page from any outside edits. Please note my attempts to open up for discussion and attempts to be rational and unbiased in the discussion page, and also note the responses by Adityanath.

Counterevidence 1: Please note my rational and friendly discussion with Priyanath on the Talk page of Kriya Yoga, and our ability to come to a concensus, rather than end in an edit war or vandalism of each others' edits.

Please bear in mind that these editors (Adityanath and NoToFrauds) have made claims that their edits are superior based on some criteria they claim to be Misplaced Pages policy. Please also note the edits and vandalism of the "Shiv Goraksha Babaji" page and the Talk page in which No To Frauds continues to make baseless POV comments without citing any evidence. I feel like they are bullying me with their edits and slandering remarks, but I don't know by what authority they are acting. My suspicion is that they have absolutely not authority and are masking vandalism with their circumlocutive talk.

Hamsacharya dan 23:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I found the warning at User talk:128.195.111.122. I left a warning about spam links. Several days later NoToFrauds made up the warning to look like an offical warning. Neither NoToFrauds or Adityanath are able to "hide" anyones edits. The only way to do that is to delete the whole page. Edits can be removed but they can just as easily be restored. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Edit warring

Not to put too fine a point on it, but if the edit warring continues, you'll all end up being blocked as disruptive and violating WP:3RR. Then nobody wins: not the editors who are blocked, and certainly not Misplaced Pages, which loses editors and has articles being neglected. I want to help you reach resolutions with the other editors you're currently warring with. To do that, I need to know what, specifically, you're fighting about. I'll take a look at all the articles you've mentioned, but it would be good to hear specifically what you disagree about. Let me be very clear: I am far less interested in accusations about vandalism tan I am in finding out why you are disagreeing in the first place. So please tell me, at the root of these issues, where you do not see eye-to-eye with NoToFraud and others. JDoorjam Talk 07:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Jdoor, Here's the issue: Generally, I'm adding in edits in the articles I mentioned above with information from and about the spiritual personage named Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath. These edits are being deleted or edited with incorrect information by various editors for various reasons. I'd like to include this information because it pertains directly to the articles, and I consider it to be a valuable source of information. Among the other editors, NoToFrauds has been the most extreme in taking measures to try and interrupt these posts - why I don't know...it's very difficult for me to speculate on that. My bottom line is that I would like representation of Yogiraj and his writings in these posts, and I'd like them to be representative of his POV and not misinformed. I have been taking measures to adhere to that bottom line including talk page entries, "edit warring", and contacting administrators such as yourself (did I get the terminology right this time?? sorry..) If you need more detail on any aspect of this issue let me know. Hamsacharya dan 08:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Dan Kogan, you are lying again, but I'm not surprised. We have already established a pattern here. The truth is that you are an ordained teacher of Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath's cult, your name and photograph is even included in his website, and you are vandalizing articles that are already complete and solid (even without the inclusion of your extreme minority POV) to further your personal interest. The reason why we are reverting your edits is because you are not contributing anything new to the article but turning it instead into a shameless propaganda for Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath. The words that you are adding are immaterial and irrelevant to the subject and has no other purpose but to promote Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath, his book, and his cult. Please see the Talk Pages of the Yogiraj Gurunath Siddhanath,Mahavatar Babaji, and Kriya yoga articles and patiently read thru them to find out what's really going on.

No To Frauds 10:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

No To Frauds

Do not respond to personal attacks with more person attacks. Please read Misplaced Pages:No personal attacks. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:04, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I have removed both sets of personal attacks from User talk:128.195.111.122. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 13:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Image

I think you need to go to Misplaced Pages:Images and media for deletion and find where the image is listed and explain there why it should be deleted. CambridgeBayWeather (Talk) 06:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)