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Benin

Hi. Thanks for that. Yes I made a start on the arrondissements of Benin. But they all need to be started by commune and villages also need to be started. Eventually I want to create a template for each commune and to cover the entre country using the population data from here. If you are interested please help out!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:24, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

The arrondissements templates I started doing by department rather than commune like Template:Alibori Department. First port of call we need to make sure every department has a similar nav box and the arrondissements all started. Then we can draw up the commune templates and also add arrondissements and villages to them. Yes you can divide into arrondissements. The arrondissements all need to be listed in the commune articles and in turn the villages will need listing in the arrondisement articles.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:33, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

OK, whatever's easiest. So long as we get the arrondissements and villages all started...♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:16, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

See Arbonga for adding full citations.. I'll fix the others but if you start any more can you copy that sourcing?♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:17, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Yep.♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:28, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Arrondissements of Benin need listing first though..♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:31, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

If you access this and click on the department titles you'll see the lists of arrondissements. We need to get Arrondissements of Benin completed first. Once that's done I can start building the nav boxes..♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:38, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Excellent, I'll make the remaining department templates today.♦ Dr. Blofeld 10:47, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

OK thanks.♦ Dr. Blofeld 16:34, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes pity about that. Can you update Template:Atlantique Department with the remaining accented names. I'll likely start them tomorrow then..Thanks for your help! ♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:08, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes that's fine. The best way to do it is to create dab pages at e.g Ouénou linking them both.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:15, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Avoid falling rain like the plague. Coordinates are fine but as a source scrap it. It should have been blacklisted long ago shouldn't it User:Xeno....♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:11, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Notes

See , , , , , , . Frietjes (talk) 00:59, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Fontana A.B. Miller High School

Hi. I see that you put a ref tag on the article. You know, the references were removed by the IP editor. It would be nice to roll that back, if you have roll back (which I don't). Otherwise, I'll go and re-ref the section, I guess. Mracew (talk) 23:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Okay. I added the ref. The other edits didn't seem bad? Frietjes (talk) 23:41, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I confess I am unsure what the IP editor was accomplishing, actually. Mracew (talk) 03:47, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

PPL

Thanks for cleaning up my citation. I'm watching the article in case it turns into an edit-war and I saw your change. --geoff_o (talk) 15:47, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Hey, wait a minute!

Why do you keep removing the Fix bunching templates on the year articles? They're there in order for the edit links on the headers not to be aligned on one line, but to actually stay at the respective headers. It's good that you changed the noincludes to onlyincludes, but please don't remove the Fix bunching templates. /Ludde23 22:13, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Trafalgar

You just made an edit to the article on the Battle of Trafalgar. Did the various {{Fix bunching}} cause problems on your browser?

On my browser (Firefox 3.6.13) they make no difference. My understanding is that they can be useful to people who have low-quality browsers.--Toddy1 (talk) 20:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

It is my understanding that the bunching problem had been solved (and here). There are still some uses for it, but most can be resolved by reordering the elements, or not mixing div's with tables. Frietjes (talk) 20:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Infobox Park

Hello. You have a new message at Droll's talk page.

I think I have the nesting problem what caused the error fixed. Using sigfig works because it reduces the levels of nesting that {{convert}} uses. Thanks for catching the problem and letting my know.  –droll  23:30, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Good. It looks like it works now. Frietjes (talk) 23:32, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the assistance

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Thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Fix bunching

Why did you remove the Has the bug been fixed? Pdfpdf (talk) 03:48, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Answer: Yes, it seems it has! See Template talk:Fix bunching#Universal fix has been discovered! Pdfpdf (talk) 04:29, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that is correct. Frietjes (talk) 15:57, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Hi Frietjes, you removed the fixbunching template on Battle of Chosin Reservoir because the issue had been fixed, but the info box still push down pictures as show in the difference between your edit and Anotherclown (talk) 08:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)=Battle_of_Chosin_Reservoir&oldid=414099521 my revert. I don't know where to file bug reports so I'll put it here for the record. Jim101 (talk) 18:21, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Interesting. I will work on it. Sorry about performing the same edit twice. Frietjes (talk) 18:25, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Also have a look at Amanita abrupta. The image in the description section is supposed to be directly underneath the "Description" heading; when the FixBunching template is removed, it pushes it down so that it is not higher than the level of the bottom of the infobox, this causes it to push against the "Microscopic characteristics" subheader. Sasata (talk) 23:08, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay, the same issue, which is to do with left floating objects. I have reported this to the template talk page, and am marking these by changing them to "stack elements", which does the same thing as fix bunching, but will allow us to see which ones really need the template, and which ones were using it just to deal with the now fixed edit links bunching. Frietjes (talk) 23:12, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I'll change other instances of this I find to stack elements as well then; many of the mushroom articles I've written have a similar format with an image in the taxobox and one in the description section. Sasata (talk) 23:15, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

It's not a problem if the left aligned images are very far down in the page, it's just that the vertical placement gets blocked so it cannot float up any higher than the top of the last right floated object. Frietjes (talk) 23:16, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

You can see the effect spoken of if you look at this version of an article I'm working on, in which a picture on the left is supposed to appaear at the top of the "History" section, but instead appears down the page by "References" (this is vieweing under FireFox), but adding the "FixBunching" templates in the very next version corrects the problem. I tried using the "slack elements" templates instead, but it did not have the same effect. (I didn't save that version.) Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:43, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker responding) {{stack elements}} is a redirect, so it does the exact same thing. I have an alternate proposal, will start a new thread. Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 02:47, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Ouch! My mistake, tired eyes. I read "sLack" with an "L" instead of "sTack" with a T. Oops, sorry. Beyond My Ken (talk) 02:59, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Frietjes I don't believe this really has been fixed and you have already been reverted by several editors. I think you really need to reconsider these edits. I am using an older version of IE and after your edits these pages either have a lot of whitespace or have campaign boxes spread all over the place. Either way it simply looks terrible. I would ask you to please discuss this rather than continuing to make these edits. Thank you. Anotherclown (talk) 08:53, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I will download IE6. It would be helpful if you could provide a screenshot as well, so I can fix the issue. Most of the editors are using browsers which were released within the last 10 years. Thank you. Frietjes (talk) 20:48, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Stack

Hi. I saw your note at template talk:Fix bunching, and it looks like you have been doing quite a bit of hard work to at least partially orphan this template. I was thinking, how about if we create a template named say {{stack begin}} and {{stack end}}? The reason for this is that one could then track cases where one is used without the other. It would also match the name of {{stack}}, which does basically the same thing as {{Fix bunching}}, but just uses different syntax (i.e., no begin and end). What do you think? Thanks! Plastikspork _―Œ 02:50, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the demo on the Calvary Church article. I think I personally like the format of "stack" best of these choices, although "stack begin" and "stack end" might be more intuitively obvious for later editors parsing the code, who might miss the double right braces closing "stack". Beyond My Ken (talk) 03:04, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

(TPS) I agree, if you are just stacking a couple images, the {{stack}} template does just fine, and is not as complicated. As you point out, the reason for using "stack begin" and "stack end" would be for much longer stacks (e.g., long infoboxes) where you might forget why there is a double curly brace at the bottom of the stack. Having both options seems to be a fairly sensible option to accommodate both cases. Thanks for the feedback! Plastikspork _―Œ 03:24, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

Good idea, I will use that instead. Thank you for your help, and for answering the questions above. Frietjes (talk) 16:15, 25 February 2011 (UTC)

That template

I just need to know exactly where the new version is - what sandbox? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:14, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I need to get off to bed now - hopefully someone else will do it before morning -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:28, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Ah, I found it, and copied it in. -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:36, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! Frietjes (talk) 00:38, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

bgcolor

According to wikipedia help sections bgcolor is perfectly fine to use in wikipedia. It's quicker to write and uses less space to boot. Why are you changing the tennis articles? If someone makes a page using style="background that's fine, no need to change to bgcolor, but it works both ways as far as I can see. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:05, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

There are problems when it is mixed with CSS in tables with IE. However, you are correct that it is generally not a problem so long as one uses strickly old HTML or strickly new HTML syntax. Frietjes (talk) 22:19, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I use firefox or opera or even K-Meleon so I don't see it. Is this because of non-standard proprietary issues with IE? If so that would be IE's problem not wikipedia's. Microsoft would need to fix it not us. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:36, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Right, tell the majority that it's Microsoft's problem. Actually, it's Misplaced Pages's problem. The WikiMedia software could transform these statements into CSS automatically, and should. It's not a "non-standards" issue, since modern HTML doesn't use bgcolor. It's that the "quirks mode" in other browsers use different logic. Frietjes (talk) 22:38, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm just trying to get a grasp on why you are changing things that seem to be working fine. There is another big problem that will crop up. There are quite a few pages in the tennis hierarchy which have been argued and mediated to death on their size and whether to split or not. These pages are stable now. Changing from bgcolor= to style="background: adds more characters to a 100k page listing of accomplishments. 100k is pretty much the wiki max. Two or three changes is no matter but a list of 100 champions would increase the size a lot and could cause many more arguments. And with no edit summary, a month down the line when someone notices how large the page is, they may not realize why. Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:50, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

There is a big difference between the rendered page size, and the size of the wikisource. If you are just worried about the size of the wikisource, then you could just create more templates, and transclude content. You are correct, in this case, about "seem to be working fine". So long as there is no mixture of style statements and bgcolor statements, it will probably render fine in quirks mode, since bgcolor is not standards compliant. Frietjes (talk) 22:54, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

I'm not worried about page source size, but wikipedia is. There is a limit and many pages butt up against it. You make some interesting points. I may have to rethink, though technically the majority don't use IE. Most use something else be it firefox or chrome etc... according to the link you gave. Thanks. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:01, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, 43.55% is not a majority, but more than Firefox, or any other single platform. Note, you could put bgcolor="#CCFFCC" or style="background-color: #CCFFCC" in a template, then just call the template. If someone wanted to change the colors, one could just edit it in one place. This is what they do for projects like NRHP, with Template:NMEM color, for example. If the name of the template is short, it would not increase the size of the wikisource, and would promote consistency between articles. Frietjes (talk) 23:07, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

That actually is a pretty good idea for some of these lengthy listed articles. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:13, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Re: Error

Good catch. Yeah I got nuts with my copy and pasting...happens occasionally. --User:Woohookitty 02:02, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Please do add edit summaries for your edits, even if they are semi-automated as in your removal of {{fixbunching}} edits. It will help remove confusion. Thanks! JesseW, the juggling janitor 03:25, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Invitation to take part in a pilot study

I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Misplaced Pages. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Misplaced Pages contributors." I would like to invite you to a short survey. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates only 5 minutes’’’. cooldenny (talk) 17:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Re: Wu Lyf, the band

I noticed that you were the latest Admin to delete this article on a band which, well, fails almost all criteria for notability, but it is notable for that reason. And the way I found out about this paradox was thru this article in the Guardian, which is a reliable source & explains this conundrum. As that article's author explains, "the UK music press has been chasing WU LYF, lured not by what they do know, but what they don't."

Personally, I have no vested interest in whether there is article on this group. (And chances are good that I wouldn't like their music if I ever heard them.) I do have an interest in that Misplaced Pages makes a reasoned decision whether or not too have an article on this group, so that if (or, according to this article, when) this music group does prove to be notable we Wikipedians have a better answer than for half of us to mumble something about "notability procedures" & the other half to rant about how Misplaced Pages is going to hell because we are too procedure-bound.

So what should I do from here? The instructions at Misplaced Pages:Deletion review say to discuss any PROD with the responsible Admin first. But if you think that this matter is above your pay grade & we need a consensus on what to do about this one article -- an opinion I can understand, especially since your restore might be overturned with another PROD -- I'd be happy to take it either to Deletion review or some other forum so to bring this to some rational conclusion, even if it is the wrong one. :) Best, -- llywrch (talk) 22:15, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

He Frietjes

Hi Frietjes, thanks for your help on Villages of Tirana County, because you are really good with those articles (like you did for Benin) i could really use your help. Could you help me a bit? Thanks --Vinie007 05:07, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Template:Billings, Montana‎

Hi, why was the color of the template changed to blue? Wolfdog406 (talk) 23:39, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

The color was set to the default per WP:Deviations. Basically, by using the "titlestyle", "basestyle", "groupstyle" parameters, we are using "inline style statements" which override the default "CSS classes" specified by MediaWiki:Common.css. This is bad for a variety of reasons, most of which are outlined in WP:Deviations. Most importantly, in my opinion, is that it prevents the visually impaired from setting his/her own Special:MyPage/skin.css to select a color scheme with sufficient contrast (as I have done for myself in User:Frietjes/vector.css). Secondary is that higher level Montana templates, like Template:Montana, are using the default, so we should color coordinate with that one. Thank you. Frietjes (talk) 19:55, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

In line style guides

Hello, I was just re-reading your post on my page and wanted to point this line out from the text you quoted:

Deviations from standard conventions are acceptable where they create a semantic distinction (for instance, the infoboxes and navigational templates relating to The Simpsons use a yellow colour-scheme instead of the customary mauve, to tie in with the dominant colour in the series) but should not be used gratuitously.

That being said, some color changes are entirely proper such as eliminating all of the various colors for the flavored soda templates, e.g. {{grape sodas}}, the wholesale removal of colors from every food and beverage templates was probably a bit too much. As some one who has astigmatism, I too have problems with contrast sometimes and can sympathize with your point of view. --Jeremy (blah blah • I did it!) 05:09, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree that there are exceptions (you probably noticed that I didn't change them all to the default). But, when there is no strong association of a single color, we should use the default, or when the associated color has poor contrast. I have mild color blindness issues, so I have set lighter background colors in User:Frietjes/vector.css. You can do the same at Special:MyPage/skin.css, which points to your personal css file. Thank you. Frietjes (talk) 17:48, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Your thoughts welcome

Please comment here :) --Waldir 02:46, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Care to explain...

Why you edited my user page(s) without explanations? Pitke (talk) 20:24, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Template color

Thank you very much for your helpful change to the House of Normandy template. Now I have a nice clean example for my kings 'n' queens project. Would you mind (if you have time) could you please look at the discussion underway at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Succession Box Standardization#Colours in succession box headers? User:BrownHairedGirl has come up with what looks to me to be an elegant solution for a related problem. Thanks. --Diannaa 18:50, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

		The da Vinci Barnstar
		For your work in improving the military conflict infobox, please accept this award. Thank you for your efforts. Regards, AustralianRupert (talk) 04:20, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Tangiers Merged References

Hi. I realized you happened to engage in merging references in the Battle of Tangier (1437) page. I appreciate the effort, but I intend to reverse that and would to first explain why, lest there be any misunderstanding. As the principal writer of that article, I intend to continue working on it a little more and will be adding more references to it soon, including comments in some of the footnotes to denote variations between sources. Unfortunately, with this "merged references mode", it makes my job immensely more difficult, as I now have to disentangle and run around finding tags across sections. And since I have used specific page references, it only makes it more complicated. I would much prefer to leave the references distinct, at least for a little while longer, to allow me to continue working on it, and would beg holding off merging until the article gets to a more advanced stage. Its only been up for a month or so. Thank you. Walrasiad (talk) 00:07, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I happen to watch this talk page, and will see if I can help out. Plastikspork _―Œ 00:18, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Wow! Thank you very much! Walrasiad (talk) 00:38, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, no problem. I just noticed the repeats. Thank you. Frietjes (talk) 16:32, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
		Thanks for all the hard work on infoboxes and navigation boxes. Plastikspork ―Œ 00:29, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Een vraag

Zijt gij nederlands? Peter Horn User talk 23:43, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Nee, maar ik gebruiken om te leven in Nederland. Frietjes (talk) 23:47, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

Permit me to correct the syntax. "Ik gebruik het nederlands om in Nederland te kunnen leven". So, from where do you come? Peter Horn User talk 02:46, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm surprised you actually understood what I wrote. It was over 20 years ago when I was living there for a year. I am originally from Ghana, but now live in the United States. From your user page, I see you are from Baarn. When I was in the Netherlands, I was in Leiden, but, as I said, that was ages ago. Frietjes (talk) 15:26, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Template:Iowa State Senators

I undid your unexplained (and apparently unnecessary) change to {{Iowa State Senators}}. When you make changes to coding/colors of templates, please explain the changes - at least in the edit summary! --Philosopher  00:18, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

ibid tagging

Hi, you tagged here The McLibel Case article with ibid. Why? Every reference is clearly mentioned in further reading section. mabdul 10:14, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Convert ranges: tonocomma, -nocomma, bynocomma

Thanks for trying to allow "disp=nocomma" for ranges, but options already exist (as range-words "tonocomma" or "-nocomma" etc.), without the need to create 144(?) variations of the Convert/Dual subtemplates, to also handle related options. The main problem is that dual conversions should never have been allowed in that format, which has created extreme complexity as hundreds of subtemplates, compared to {{Convert/3}} as being far simpler while handling 3 amounts. I am thinking we need to have a {{Convert/2}} to allow more options in the future. Meanwhile for the no-comma options, see: Template_talk:Convert#Delimiting_comma. Sorry, I have been so busy with numerous other Convert issues. Thanks again. -Wikid77 (talk) 16:22, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Modification of ZH templates in articles

Please do not add "|first=t" when Simplified = Traditional or one of two forms is absent, and especially not when the Chinese term given is for a modern-day mainland Chinese, Singaporean, or Malaysian term. Even on an article for a HK, Macau, or TW entity, when different, both forms should not be added as this clutters the text, reducing readability. Thanks much —HXL's Roundtable and Record 21:07, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

See Template_talk:Zh#Check_for_existence_of_zh.2Fformat.2F.7BFULLPAGENAME.7D. Thank you. Frietjes (talk) 22:16, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Steve Smith

Yes, I semi-protected it on May 27 due to repeated violations of WP:V and WP:CS. Nightscream (talk) 17:41, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Whoops! Sorry about that! I just fixed it. Thanks for pointing that out to me. Nightscream (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Code

Hi Frietjes, thanks for fixing my coding error in the Aelita Andre article. Admittedly, I don't know very much about HTML. If you're not too busy, could you explain to me how to use "em" instead of "px" so I don't make the same mistake in the future? Also, how do I know which of those is appropriate based on character width? Thank you ... Armadillopteryx 19:51, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for the explanation and the link. I didn't know about em and ex measurements, but I agree that they're useful here. Actually, what I had tried to do with my percentage was to make the quote box the same width as the infobox, and the best I could do was get really close. Do you know how to do that more exactly? Also, just because your changes have been minor doesn't mean they haven't been really important. I don't know how you were able to find a source for her birthday, but I'm really glad you did, because my (many) searches for it failed, and the article really needed it! Armadillopteryx 20:15, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the tips (and resources) ... Armadillopteryx 20:37, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Steven Smith (American Dad!)

Hi. Please do not add unsourced material or original research to articles, as you did with this edit to Steve Smith (American Dad!), as this violates Misplaced Pages's policies of No Original Research and Verifiability. Thanks. :-) Nightscream (talk) 21:10, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, Frietjes reverted that edit, which was added by User:IgnorantArmies. Beyond My Ken (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Navbox colours

Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_(text_formatting)#Colour I've suggested some guidelines Gnevin (talk) 00:28, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

thank you. unfortunately, i don't think i will be able to edit here much longer. too many things that are entirely unreadable due to my visual impairment. i try to improve the contrast, and i just get reverted and nasty attacks. too much stress and life is too short. i think i will work on writing a browser extension which will filter out all the inline color statements and let all the other visually impaired users just fend for themselves. Frietjes (talk) 15:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to hear that. Good luck with the extension! Gnevin (talk) 16:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Netball

Hi. You removed the wommens sport template from netball with this edit. I was wondering your reasoning as there is nothing mentioned in the edit summary. Cheers AIRcorn (talk) 06:00, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

that template was deleted, see the version before my edit. sorry for not using the edit summary. Frietjes (talk) 15:43, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. That article has been subject to some conflict recently so I thought I should just check. Sorry for not checking the template first. AIRcorn (talk) 21:45, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Retired