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**Speaking of the system, I would have thought your topic ban kept you from commenting on an ARBPIA request. Or am I mixing you up with someone else? --] (]) 17:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC) **Speaking of the system, I would have thought your topic ban kept you from commenting on an ARBPIA request. Or am I mixing you up with someone else? --] (]) 17:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
***Who are you referring to? I don't think that anyone commenting here is under a relevant topic ban. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 18:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ***Who are you referring to? I don't think that anyone commenting here is under a relevant topic ban. <span style="font-family: Papyrus">] (])</span> 18:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
****Prunesqualer is from PI area. --] (]) 22:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC) ****<s>Prunesqualer is from PI area.</s> --] (]) 22:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
* I know some editors view interaction bans as punishments, while others welcome them, so I'd like to hear Cptnono's thoughts on an interaction ban with Nableezy before I comment further. ←&nbsp;]<sup>&nbsp;]</sup> 00:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC) * I know some editors view interaction bans as punishments, while others welcome them, so I'd like to hear Cptnono's thoughts on an interaction ban with Nableezy before I comment further. ←&nbsp;]<sup>&nbsp;]</sup> 00:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
**Having heard back from Cptnono, I'd say I support an interaction ban. While Nableezy and Cptnono may have opposing viewpoints, I think the real problem is what they have in common with each other: neither particularly cares for bullshit, but they both can keep up (and don't back down) if you bring it. I don't know if that's a character flaw or a commendable trait - possibly both - but when you line them up against each other it can get a bit ugly. Maybe give an interaction ban a shot and see if it helps calm the waters? I think it would be more constructive than throwing topic bans at otherwise productive contributors anyways (productivity being irrespective of whether or not you agree with their viewpoints). My two cents. ←&nbsp;]<sup>&nbsp;]</sup> 23:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC) **Having heard back from Cptnono, I'd say I support an interaction ban. While Nableezy and Cptnono may have opposing viewpoints, I think the real problem is what they have in common with each other: neither particularly cares for bullshit, but they both can keep up (and don't back down) if you bring it. I don't know if that's a character flaw or a commendable trait - possibly both - but when you line them up against each other it can get a bit ugly. Maybe give an interaction ban a shot and see if it helps calm the waters? I think it would be more constructive than throwing topic bans at otherwise productive contributors anyways (productivity being irrespective of whether or not you agree with their viewpoints). My two cents. ←&nbsp;]<sup>&nbsp;]</sup> 23:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

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    Nableezy

    No action taken on the complaint. Closing this before I have to ban a bunch of people from AE. T. Canens (talk) 18:46, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Request concerning Nableezy

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    —Biosketch (talk) 15:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Palestine-Israel_articles/Proposed_decision#Decorum
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 22 June 2011 – user attributes to me a "batshit insane obsession."
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (partial list)
    1. Banned May 2011 by AGK (talk · contribs)
    2. Blocked December 2010 by Sandstein (talk · contribs)
    3. Blocked December 2010 by Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs)
    4. Blocked April 2010 by Sandstein (talk · contribs)
    5. Warned February 2010 by Malik Shabazz (talk · contribs)
    Enforcement action requested
    Topic ban.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    What the hell? A discussion I had with Nableezy (talk · contribs) on Sean.hoyland (talk · contribs)'s Talk page finally petered out after dragging on for two weeks. Hardly do three days go by and I have to read him accusing me of having developed a "batshit insane obsession" with his edits. I made minor and uncontroversial modifications to two of User:Nableezy's edits, and that's the kind of feedback I get subjected to. AGK (talk · contribs) was unequivocal in demanding that Nableezy cultivate a professional demeanor when he vacated Nableezy's account restriction prematurely less than two weeks ago. I asked him to keep in mind those terms a few days ago when I felt he was close to crossing the line. Not only is Nableezy making no effort to be civil but he's showing every indication of continuing to be an aggressive, vulgar and overall negative influence on the Project.—Biosketch (talk) 15:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

    1. @Nableezy (talk · contribs), permit me to not believe you when you deny having attributed the "batshit insane obsession" comment to me – and frankly I'm astonished you would even attempt that line of defense. There's no other contributor on that page to whom your comment could conceivably have applied.
    2. @Tarc (talk · contribs), the dignified thing for you to do after baselessly accusing me of being a sock would be to either put your money where your mouth is and file an SPI or withdraw the accusation with an apology. I expect you'll do neither.
    3. @Those who think discussion with User:Nableezy would have been of any help in resolving this matter, take a few moments to read through the discussion that did take place higher up on that page. I suggest that, based on our earlier exchange, trying to discuss the incident would have looked something like this:
    Biosketch: Nableezy, I don't appreciate coming home from work and having to read that you attribute a "batshit insane obsession" to me for modifying two recent edits you made.
    Nableezy: I wasn't referring to you.
    Biosketch: To whom were you referring?
    Nableezy:
    Biosketch: Could you please strike out the comment?
    Nableezy: Actually, I'd much prefer if you went with this to AE as that would be hilarious.
    4. @Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs), if you feel no enforcement action is necessary given Nableezy's redaction, I won't press the matter further. However, what of the fact that Nableezy's most recent sanction was reduced under the condition that he be duly professional in his interactions with other contributors here? Given this incident, has he lived up to that commitment?—Biosketch (talk) 04:35, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

    @Tarc (talk · contribs), this is the second time you've accused me of sockpuppetry without offering a shred of evidence other than the color of my username and the fact that many of my edits are in the I/P topic area. Do you not yet realize how hypocritical your accusation is? or do you realize your accusation is hypocritical but pray no one else'll pick up on the hypocrisy? Then let me spell it out for the benefit of those who may have missed it: Nableezy (talk · contribs) is redlinked and the preponderance of his edits in the I/P topic area far exceeds mine, yet User:Tarc's accusation of sockpuppetry is directed exclusively at me. No matter – I expected nothing less from you than baseless inconsistent biased and prejudiced accusations.—Biosketch (talk) 09:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

    @Asad112 (talk · contribs), I challenge you to produce a single diff of AgadaUrbanit (talk · contribs) ever being anything less than a mensch in his interactions with other contributors here. At least for as long as I've been around I've observed him to be nothing but a patient, considerate, civil, and morally upright editor. Who else would be so noble as to self-ban from I/P after winning an AE against a rival editor and only return to a controversial article after that editor's sanctions were lifted? That's why I was taken aback by his barnstar on Sean.hoyland (talk · contribs)'s Talk page, and that's why I readily accepted his reply that it was meant in irony. No one who has commented here, myself included, is in User:AgadaUrbanit's league, as far as I'm concerned. I would say we should all follow his example as forbearance would benefit our collaboration immensely, but he's of course been banned for six months, for an edit he self-reverted prior to being sanctioned, and that doesn't leave me with very much hope for the Project, sadly.—Biosketch (talk) 09:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified.

    Discussion concerning Nableezy

    Statement by Nableezy

    "batshit insane obsession" were the words used by another editor, not me. I quoted them. Biosketch has indeed followed me to some articles. I dont really have a problem with his edits, though I do with the idea that it is fair game to go through another editor's contributions on a regular basis. Also, this happened where exactly? A user talk page? Is there any indication that I have made any uncivil or otherwise disruptive edits on article talk pages? No, of course not. But I emphatically deny that attributed a "batshit insane obsession" to Biosketch. I, playfully, quoted another user applying that term to somebody else and made a word (Nableezitis) and applied that to an unnamed editor. But it is demonstrably true that Biosketch has gone through my contributions to follow me to multiple articles. A word to him that he cease doing so would be most appreciated. But to show just how what this "battlefield mentality" that you all keep talking about, this user is taking a comment made on a user talk page and asking for an article topic ban. He could have asked that I strike the quote, he could have ignored the comments made on a user talk page. But he instead chooses to come here. There is no problem with any edit I have made to articles or article talk pages. This is purely an attempt to use an unrelated, and I might dare say something that is not covered under ARBPIA, incident to remove an editor that Biosketch disagrees with from the topic area. To underline the main point here, Biosketch is asking that I be removed from editing articles and talk pages on the basis that I made a comment he disliked on a user talk page. And the part of the comment that he takes issue with, which leads him to make the unsubstantiated assertion that I am "aggressive, vulgar, and overall negative influence on the Project", werent even my words. nableezy - 16:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

    But as Biosketch has made clear how offensive he found those words, Ill redact them and replace them with something with less color. nableezy - 17:09, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
    And done. That would have been much easier if Biosketch just asked me to modify my comments to begin with. AE is not WQA or ANI, it is not a place to seek punishment for each and every single issue that one takes issue with. I dont think the comment above is even covered by ARBPIA. And even if it were, WQA should have been used prior to that. And a note on my talk page even before that. nableezy - 17:15, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
    Biosketch, I was referring to you, obviously, that was not what I meant in my above comments. What I meant was that those werent my words, that I was quoting a description given by somebody else, and that I was attributing to you, with my words, "Nableezitis". And if you had said you found those words to be offensive I would have done what I did, change them. In the future, you may want to consider actually having a conversation with me instead of playing one out in your head. You may be surprised at the result. nableezy - 13:10, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

    Tarc, I think you are mistaken. nableezy - 23:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

    Cptnono, this is now the second time where you have made an indirect and unsubstantiated accusation that I have a sockpuppet. You make this accusation and refuse to provide any evidence for it. That you do this while accusing me of being a jerk is unbelievable. I am requesting that Cptnono be warned for making unsubstantiated accusations. I would also request if the admins might consider banning Cptnono from making comments about me. A reimposition of the interaction ban between us would be just fine by me. I am getting a bit tired of these malicious accusations made without even an attempt of offering evidence, as well as the repeated hounding of my edits to revert whatever edits I make. On this very page, you have accused me of breeding cancer, of making the topic area toxic, implied that I was operating a sockpuppet (saying you know it has been a concern), and then saying that it not you making the accusation, but rather unnamed others, all the while refusing to provide any evidence for an accusation made in a public forum. You repeat this behavior below. Exactly how much crap do I have to take from this (it took me literally five minutes to decide what word to use next, weighing the costs and benefits of using the word that first was written, then deleted) person? I have held my tongue, or fingers, about what I think of this "editor" for a long time, but I have reached my threshold for patience for unsubstantiated, in fact unfounded, accusations. nableezy - 06:10, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

    Boris, due respect, but this page is not the problem. The problem is the editors who feel the need to involve themselves in every single enforcement request that involves certain users. The problem is the repeated unfounded accusations. Those problems can, and should, be solved. nableezy - 18:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning Nableezy

    I find it hard to attach much credibility to any complaint filed by a redlink-name account, one that has only existed since February of this year, and had edited almost exclusively in the Israeli/Palestine/Arab/Middle East topic area. The Enforcement page here is routinely used to game the system, where socks return again and again to try to get their wiki-adversaries in trouble, and evasive non-answers such as this are troubling. Tarc (talk) 16:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

    • I'm under the impression that violations of principles in arbitration decisions are not actionable. That is to say, even if nableezy violated the principle linked to by Biosketch, which I don't believe he did, no action against him will be taken.
      I assume Biosketch was not aware of this, so I don't fault her/him for making a frivolous complaint, but I recommend this be closed ASAP. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 17:37, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Agree with T. Canens. No need to examine redacted comment. Agree with Nableezy that this would have been best discussed on the talk page and not here. - BorisG (talk) 01:20, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
        • Really Tarc? Have you checked his contributions? He is certainly on one side of the fence but he actually is an editor. I know AGF means nothing here but c'mon. In regards to Nableezy, he has been told multiple times to be "professional" and to not break decorum. How many times is needed? I was blocked for 24hrs for saying "cancer". I was not given a chance to strike it out (something I would have considered). So how many times is enough? I think not blocking him is a great idea. It is yet another piece of evidence against him. The unfortunate part is that people will forget about it (much like you forgot about the other times he was uncivil) and will prove once again that Nableezy can do whatever he wants. He will get his restriction lifted, he will be mean to others, he will edit war... and admins don't care No escalating blocks for him even? That is why this topic area has so many AEs. You want to fix it? How about actually staying consistent. The admins are the third biggest problem in the topic area. Cptnono (talk) 04:43, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

    Biosketch's actions here are an utter joke and he should be sanctioned for his battlefield mentality editing and AE filing. Nableezy says a borderline offensive statement, Biosketch asks for a topic ban of the entire I/P area. The now topic banned AgadaUrbanit adds a nasty barnstar to Sean.hoyland's talk page , Biosketch responds by taking matter, not directly to AE as he has done here, but to AgadaUrbanit's talkpage with the reasonsing that he probably has just sat in the sun too long or somebody hacked is computer. Is it not clear to the admins on this case that Biosketch is just trying to get Nableezy banned by any means possible, does that not constitute battlefield mentality? Again -- utter joke. -asad (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

    You want to know what constitutes battlefield mentality? Nableezy refusing to withdraw his AE report after AgadaUrbanit self-reverted (which resulted in a ban that escalated both in length and in scope from his last ban a year ago). Then, while on parole from his never-ending but rarely escalating bans, behaving, well, like he always does (isn't civility supposed to be one of the five pillars of wikipedia?) then claiming this report is moot because he corrected the problem. I'm guessing I'm not the only one who sees the irony here.
    And to the admins below, what kind of ridiculous cop-out is this? If what he did is ok, just say so and let's move on (I also have some stuff I'd like to say to other editors which I'll gladly redact if it gets me in trouble), or if what he did is not ok, consider the fact he was warned multiple times about civility, has been banned repeatedly and is currently on a modified topic ban, and smack him with the kind of ban you'd give someone who's not Nableezy. This has gone way beyond absurd to bordering on the grotesque. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 19:09, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
    What is beyond absurd is that everytime Nableezy lets out a virtual fart, instead of politely ignoring it, somebody has to run to to this noticeboard and report him for it. Don't people have better things to do with their time? Tiamut 20:45, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
    If those are virtual farts then he has a serious virtual gastro problem and some of us don't like to edit where it stinks. Civility is one of the five pillars of wikipedia, or so I hear. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 21:41, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Clarification - @Asad112, the barnstar AgadaUrbanit posted wasn't meant as a nasty barnstar. It was a joke. I understood it was a joke...although I was away when it arrived and later vanished. Sean.hoyland - talk 01:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    I am aware of that. But my point still remains that Biosketch had no idea it was a joke either, as is made evident by this edit . He had no problem taking such a matter to the talk page of an editor that is on his side of the conflict, but for Nableezy, he goes directly to filing an a report against him and asks for a total topic ban because he got his feelings hurt by something that Nableezy said that might ultimately be true. Pretty battlefield mentality-like to me. -asad (talk) 02:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    Okay, thanks for the clarification. Sean.hoyland - talk 02:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    OK Tarc, you have no business commenting here. You assume a redlink is bad but when you look at his edit history you assume he is a sock. So lets assume he is a sock. Lets assume that everyone in the topic area is a sock. That allows Nableezy to treat people like garbage? Is that your final answer? Confirmed editors * (who may also have a sock) are allowed to be jerks because the people who bring them to AE must be a sock? I have a better idea. Do the job you volunteered for. Boomerang is cute but it is an f-all ploy that sidesteps the real issue. Is Nableezy allowed to be a jerk to people or not? It is really simple and does not involve this much conversation.Cptnono (talk) 05:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    If everyone is a sock, can I be a shoe? I bet they will be in high demand. ← George 06:55, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    I'll comment where I see fit to, Cptnono. Learn your place. It has nothing to do with Nableezy's comments, which were really nothing to get all (to borrow a Palin-ism) wee-wee'ed up over. All this is is a sock hounding another user's contrib history looking for "gotcha" moments, and that is the last I have to say on the matter. Tarc (talk) 14:08, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    Maybe someone can just hack into BioSketch's gmail account like was done to Mbz1 and sort this whole mess out. That seems to be an acceptable tactic used by certain Misplaced Pages editors. Done and done? 14:44, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    Stop worrying. You assume everyone else is a sockpuppet and I assume you have a sock. You disappeared when you were topic banned so it is a logical conclusion. Since I don't have any evidence I am not going to worry about it myself because it won't go any where. So don't change the subject: What is your excuse for not being "professional" when that was part of adjusting your last sanction being lifted? If you have to shift blame I can only assume you know you are guilty. Care to clarify why you continue to be rude to other editors after having a sanction modified? Can you justify your presence in the topic area?Cptnono (talk) 06:02, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    But for the admins: Last time? 2 of you want to let him skate since he retracted it. So no more right? This is really really it? Can we assume that Nableezy gets zero tolerance this time finally? Please? Edit warring, decorum violations, legal threats.. c'mon: Please put a stop to it once and for all. Next time is it after multiple blocks bans and warnings? Give him one more chance then indef the guy.Cptnono (talk) 06:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    And this sums it up perfectly. Nableezy is lucky to be back early and he repays the community by opening an AE against someone and then being rude to another editor? He should be kissing butt right now. So lets do it. ARBPIA3. Cptnono (talk) 06:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

    = Comment by BorisG

    Dearadmins. Clearly, this page has become part of the problem rather than part of the solution. It propagates drama. Something needs to be done. - BorisG (talk) 17:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

    Result concerning Nableezy

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    • Malik, while violations of principles in the absence of a remedy are not by themselves actionable in AE, where discretionary sanctions are authorized they may constitute evidence that the user "repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any expected standards of behavior, or any normal editorial process" and sanctionable as such.

      Regardless, even if we assume for the sake of argument that Nableezy's initial remark was sanctionable misconduct (a question I find unnecessary to decide and about which I voice no opinion), I do not think any enforcement action is necessary given the subsequent redaction. T. Canens (talk) 20:21, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

    • I agree with T. Canens that this should be closed with no action against Nableezy since he withdrew his comment. EdJohnston (talk) 13:18, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

    Anythingyouwant

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    Request concerning Anythingyouwant

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    MastCell  21:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Anythingyouwant (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge#Ferrylodge restricted
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

    Anythingyouwant (talk · contribs) is Ferrylodge (talk · contribs). In Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge, ArbCom found that: "Ferrylodge has a long history of disruptive editing on topics related to pregnancy and abortion, but has edited reasonably on unrelated topics." As a result, Ferrylodge/Anythingyouwant is under an indefinite restriction against disrupting "any article which relates to pregnancy or abortion, interpreted broadly."

    Abortion is currently subject to community-imposed 1RR. Anythingyouwant has reverted twice in the past 3 days:

    Both times he's cited WP:BRD, but to this point he has not actually discussed either revert on the talk page (his last substantive contribution to Talk:Abortion was 1 month ago).

    I think that repeatedly reverting a contentious article, citing WP:BRD but not actually discussing, is disruptive even though the reverts are slightly outside the official 24-hour window for 1RR. Given the pre-existing findings from the ArbCom case about Anythingyouwant's disruptive editing on abortion-related topics, I've brought this here.

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    • Anythingyouwant is aware of this sanction; previous requests for enforcement have been filed, and he petitioned (unsuccessfully) to have it lifted. No formal warning is required by the ArbCom sanction.
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    • Topic ban from abortion (plus or minus related articles), as the ArbCom-prescribed remedy.
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning Anythingyouwant

    Statement by Anythingyouwant

    I made two reverts to the article over the course of three days. My edit summaries were as follows:

    (1) "Revert per WP:BRD. Pastel Kitten is correct that this longstanding image was edit-warred out of this article without consensus. Many reasons were given by many editors for keeping it."

    (2) "Revert per WP:BRD. No one has asserted there is consensus to remove this longstanding image. Many reasons were given by many editors for keeping it."

    MastCell apparently does not assert that I have misapplied WP:BRD, and I was not misapplying it. As MastCell knows, there was extensive discussion at the article talk page about this content issue last month. MastCell was deeply involved in that discussion, and he favored removing an image that was in the article for well over a year. There was no consensus to remove the image at that time, but the image was nevertheless edit-warred out of the article, contrary to WP:BRD. Another editor (not myself) reinserted the image this week.

    My edit-summaries (quoted above) were thorough and self-explanatory. No editors who seek removal of the longstanding image have commented about their recent removal at the article talk page. Despite the lack of discussion at the article talk page, I did edit the talk page today to more fully explain why I reverted them (inserting template).

    Please note that there was a huge RFC on this topic in 2009 here. This RFC is linked in the FAQ at the top of the article talk page. All I was doing here is implementing WP:BRD, I did not come anywhere close to violating 1RR, and I reverted two edits that were unexplained at the article talk page.Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

    The image has again been edit-warred out of the article today without consensus or talk page discussion, which apparently is fine with MastCell and other admins. After the present attempt to delete the image from Commons is concluded, I will probably bring this matter up again at the article talk page, and restore the image to the article (pending consensus for its removal).Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning Anythingyouwant

    What a weird sanction! I thought ALL wikipedians are under indefinite restrictions from disrupting ANY articles... - BorisG (talk) 00:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

    Seems that 2 reverts over three days does not violate 1RR in any case ... this is a content dispute, and not a case where AYW should be punished for actually staying within the restrictions given. Nor can I view the edits as "disruptive". Please - keep content disputes out of AE. Cheers. Collect (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

    Most disruptive editing centers around a content dispute. The two categories aren't mutually exclusive. MastCell  01:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

    Result concerning Anythingyouwant

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    Hmm. It is true that this edit restores a contentious image; however, as far as I could tell in reading Talk:Abortion/Archive_41#Picture_of_abortion, there's no consensus on its removal, either. Anythingyouwant did fail to start the conversation again at the talk page, though. I am unwilling to enforce action against Anythingyouwant as disruptive (because I don't consider it to be disruptive), and he in theory didn't violate 1RR/day. If it were up to me, I'd rather force additional discussion on the image yet again. - Penwhale | 07:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

    Cptnono

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    Request concerning Cptnono

    User who is submitting this request for enforcement
    Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) at 19:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Cptnono (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy to be enforced
    WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 06:48, 22 June 2011 Tendentious editing, hounding
    2. 05:32, 24 June 2011 Tendentious editing
    3. 05:43, 24 June 2011 Personal attack, accusation of socking without evidence
    4. 06:02, 24 June 2011 Personal attack. Here he admits he has no evidence for the accusation, but proceeds to repeat it
    5. 05:36, 24 June 2011 Personal attack.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. Blocked by AGK for violations of NPA
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

    Interaction ban, topic ban

    Additional comments by editor filing complaint

    Cptnono has repeatedly hounded my contributions to follow me to articles where he was not involved to revert my edits. There are numerous examples of this, and he has in the past admitted to doing so to "keep me in line". One such example is Golan Heights Wind Farm, where Cptnono performs, as his first and only edit to either the article or talk page, a revert of an edit by me shortly after I edit the page. This is exactly what happened at Dahiya doctrine. After I revert an IP who had tagged the article without cause, Cptnono follows me there and reverts me as his very first edit to either the article or talk page. When Cptnono is asked to, instead of immediately tagging the article, edit the article to correct any issues that he might see, he refuses to do so. He later re-reverts to place the tag once again on the article. He has yet to actually say what he would like to add, only saying that some unknown source is not used properly and that the article is "POV". This is tendentious editing, the purpose of which is to goad other editors in to an edit war over a tag. This is not simply my opinion of what happened, in this edit to a user's talk page he taunts other editors and dares them to revert him so that he can go to AE. In sum, Cptnono hounded my contributions to revert me, then said he was not interested in even attempting to address any POV issues that may be there, and then attempts to goad others in to reverting him. This series of edits shows that he is simply playing games here.

    Cptnono has also made repeated accusations against me about socking. He has not once produced a single thread of evidence to support such a serious charge, but he has repeated it multiple times on this very page. In the above diffs, Cptnono says that he does not have any evidence for the charge, but repeats it anyway. He has done this in the past, (example here and refusing to substantiate the accusation here). According to WP:NPA, accusations made without evidence are personal attacks. The policy says, in the section "What is considered to be a personal attack?", Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence. This is among the most serious accusations that an editor can make here, and repeatedly making it without providing any evidence at all, even admitting that there is no evidence at all, is highly inappropriate.

    This editor has repeatedly leveled serious charges against others without once providing evidence. He has repeatedly hounded my contributions to involve himself in disputes simply because I am already there. He has repeatedly reverted to restore tags to articles despite never even attempting to edit the article to address whatever issues he claims exist, and indeed has rebuffed requests that he do so. He has attempted to goad others into edit-warring, with the explicitly expressed objective of bring others "down with Nableezy" here at AE. These generally tendentious actions would not, by themselves, cause me to make this request. But combined, they demonstrate that Cptnono is editing with the purpose of annoying me and goading me in to doing something so that his years long campaign to have me banned succeeds.

    I realize that one-sided interaction bans are disliked by admins with good cause, and while I do not feel that I have done anything to merit any type of ban being placed on me with regard to Cptnono, if that is what it takes to have this never ending stream of asinine accusations and repeated tendentious hounding of my edits stop then so be it.

    Boris, Cptnono has done this multiple times. And as you wrote, I objected to the accusations above at the time they were made. If Biosketch wishes he can ask that Tarc stop making such accusations without providing evidence, and if Tarc persists he may then seek administrative relief from such unsubstantiated charges. I have repeatedly requested that Cptnono cease making accusations without providing any evidence, yet he persists. Additionally, the hounding by Cptnono has gone from a mere annoyance to disruption, as he is involving himself in articles where he either has no interest of editing or is literally too drunk to do so. If you would like to raise the issue of Tarc making such accusations you are free to do so in any number of venues. It is however completely irrelevant here. I am not Tarc, I am not responsible for him, and what he says does not in any way excuse Cptnono's repeated unsubstantiated and unfounded accusations. nableezy - 05:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

    Some of these comments below are simply unbelievable. Cptnono's every edit is scrutinized????? He has "enemies waiting in ambush to pounce"?????? Truly astonishing. As far as I know, not a single editor has ever hounded Cptnono, and not a single time has an unmerited enforcement request against him been filed. He has repeatedly hounded my contributions, not the other way around. He has repeatedly made malicious charges without ever providing a single bit of evidence for them, not the other way around. Many of the below comments do only one thing; that is they demonstrate that this page needs to do away with the comments by involved editors. Cptnono has repeatedly made serious accusations without ever providing evidence for them. He has repeatedly hounded my contributions and edited in a tendentious fashion when doing so. See his conduct in the diffs above at the Dahiya doctine article, accompanied by his drunken ranting at Sean.hoyland's talk page. I have held my tongue in giving anything resembling an honest critique of Cptnono, despite repeated provocations by him in which he has made blatantly dishonest accusations against me and edited with the sole purpose of annoying me. I await a response to the actual issues involved here from an uninvolved admin. nableezy - 05:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Notified


    Discussion concerning Cptnono

    Statement by Cptnono

    If Nableezy wants me to stop commenting on him at AE he should stop getting himself in trouble.


    I do have a hard time interacting with Nableezy since he is the catalyst to so many problems. I just don't edit war with him and that is why I am still around while others are not. I try not to seek him out exclusively but he makes it pretty hard when I want the topic area to not be garbage (note the centralized discussion I started).


    If an interaction ban is the decision then I am cool with it. However, I don't think it is feasible. We edit too many of the same articles. I would prefer a limited interaction ban (basically a final warning) but I would also be OK with an interaction ban as long as it is lifted when he is topic banned again since all interaction is based in one topic area. When he is topic banned again I don;t think I should have any restrictions.

    No matter what, no interaction ban is appropriate without a waiver on Gaza War (it was getting a little less combative until he came back, BTW) since there is an ongoing discussion.Cptnono (talk) 07:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

    And I don;t need to comment on the sock thing. My comment was clear and he chose to take offence. Cptnono (talk) 07:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

    And my laptop does not have a breathalizer. At least I am only a jerk when drunk and not a POV pusher. Chucgging a handful right now, friends (see, I am honest about it :) ). Cptnono (talk) 07:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

    Hold on a second Biosketch: Don't let my love for the most drinkable garbage beer lead you to believe that I don't like a handful from a good microbrew at happy hour. I am from Seattle after all :)
    @Peter: I don't understand your questions exactly. So I will clarify my point:" I think Nableezy is only back for a short time since I assume he will continue to get himself in trouble. So basically I don;t want to have some weird interaction ban hanging over me based on the principle of it. If he is booted again I want to be in the clear so that there isn't some weird scarlet letter on me. And yes, Gaza War oddly enough since it is not feasible to have us both work on the article if e cannot talk to each other. But maybe this is why we should have ARBPIA3. I will be bounced for a bit for my history of incivility (the report above does not show that but a history will kill me) while a history of pushing a POV and edit warring will rip out the real trouble makers. I am a jerk but I don't cause the other issues that permeate the topic area.
    Overall, why is this AE still open. I do not deserve the time to be perfectly frank. Been here enough and know how it works. I do appreciate the comments since there is a good blend of constructive criticism and plain niceness. Cptnono (talk) 06:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning Cptnono

    • I think an interaction ban would be a very good idea. I'm not sure Cptnono has crossed the line into topic ban territory, but he's dancing very close to it. And he would be wise not to edit while intoxicated. — Malik Shabazz /Stalk 19:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    • There seems little point in sanctioning Cptnono. His comments here make it clear he will simply cheat the system in order to circumvent actions taken against him. Note the lines: "…Now how about a cycle my IP... If I ever get blocked for a longer amount of time I will certainly go for it…" Prunesqualer (talk) 22:30, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    • I know some editors view interaction bans as punishments, while others welcome them, so I'd like to hear Cptnono's thoughts on an interaction ban with Nableezy before I comment further. ← George 00:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Having heard back from Cptnono, I'd say I support an interaction ban. While Nableezy and Cptnono may have opposing viewpoints, I think the real problem is what they have in common with each other: neither particularly cares for bullshit, but they both can keep up (and don't back down) if you bring it. I don't know if that's a character flaw or a commendable trait - possibly both - but when you line them up against each other it can get a bit ugly. Maybe give an interaction ban a shot and see if it helps calm the waters? I think it would be more constructive than throwing topic bans at otherwise productive contributors anyways (productivity being irrespective of whether or not you agree with their viewpoints). My two cents. ← George 23:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Agree with Malik Shabazz that at this point an interaction ban would be a good idea; Misplaced Pages is not a battleground, regardless of whether or not you've enjoyed a few too many chelas; if an interaction ban does not improve the situation, there may be a need for more draconian steps. -- nsaum75  01:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
    • I do not support accusations without evidence, but Cptnono's latest statements about Nableezy were made in the context of another editor making such allegations against Biosketch . Nableezy disagreed with these allegations . However, omission of this context by Nableezy here is itself highly tendentious. - BorisG (talk) 04:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
    • From Cptnono's post yesterday to Sean Hoyland's talk page: "no need to pretend anymore. you are in the topic area for on reason and one reason only. you flew under the radar and it was cute but don't pretend to be neutral. you are a funny guy who does make good edits but leave the vandalism fighting to those who actually care about the project and neutrality." I know how easy it is to feel frustrated and cynical with those who oppose one's usual POV in so controversial an area, but it's important to recognize the need for a break when that frustration exceeds easily manageable limits.  – OhioStandard (talk) 13:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
    • I don't know who needs a break, but I recommend that Cptnono be reminded not to comment on users, only on edits. This may also be good advice to some other participants here. I am not referring to comments made here, of course, since this page is largely about editor conduct. - BorisG (talk) 18:21, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Cptnono chooses to edit in a very very difficult area (I can only every dip in and out) and I have always respected his editing. Maybe we all lose our way now and again but I would ask that you take it easy on him as I for one believe he is an asset to this project. BTW Cptnono we all need to take a break now and again. Bjmullan (talk) 21:01, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Nableezy = pot calling the kettle black. I.e. Nobody has any basis for seeking to sanction me on AE but I'll go out of my way with a weak case to get everyone else sanctioned. Yawn. Moveon.org. Plot Spoiler (talk) 17:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
    • My thoughts exactly. And Herostratus (talk · contribs) makes a valid point: Cptnono (talk · contribs) wears uncomfortable shoes in the I/P topic area, and few of us would want or be able to walk in them for very long. His every edit is scrutinized with an electron microscope, and he has enemies waiting in ambush to pounce on his every uncrossed t or undotted i. He should probably keep booze and Misplaced Pages at least an hour apart, and it wouldn't hurt to switch from that Miller crap he drinks to some quality European brews.—Biosketch (talk) 03:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
    • An undotted i might not seem like a big deal. But you have to remember that in WP you really have to go out of your way to do it. I think you'd have to screw around with the CSS actually. So when you see an I/P editor make a big effort to cause a small dustup it can be pretty upsetting. --JGGardiner (talk) 07:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)
    • I have decent relations with both editors and think they have both made useful contributions. An interaction ban may be the best way to go. However, I have a couple of questions for Cptnono about the exceptions he proposes. If Nableezy gets blocked for being rude or for edit warring on one article, why does that suddenly mean that his edits elsewhere become so bad that your interaction ban shoudl be dropped. Surely if they were that poor someoen else is likely to want to revert them? Also why an exception for Gaza War? Surely where you both feel strongly is where you are most likely to clash.--Peter cohen (talk) 23:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

    Result concerning Cptnono

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