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== Congrats ==

Congrats on becoming an admin! I was hoping you could help with something. In deletion review (and the deletion process for that matter) and article was deleted that I believe should not have been. ] agrees. The article was deleted for notability, but the person in question was mentioned in about a dozen different mainstream media articles, included a recent ''front page'' article in the New York Times. Can you take a look and vote accordingly? The review is here. ]. Thanks. -- ] 04:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

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Demilich (band) and my RFA

Thanks for your contribution to my RFA. I just wanted to clarify the situation that you described, which has arisen earlier today.

While on new pages patrol this morning, I came across Demilich (band). At 10:05 , I tagged the page with a speedy deletion tag under CSD:A7 as it was a repost of deleted material. The speedy deletion was contested and after discussion on the talk page, I removed the {{hangon}} tags (which say they should be removed once the contester has placed their objection on the talk page) at 11:14, and removed the speedy deletion tags at 13:22 as it appeared that the article's speedy deletion was contested, and it probably did not meet CSD. I then listed the article on AFD here at 13:31.

Meanwhile, at 12:00, Johnson542 listed the page on WP:DRV here. I was not made aware of this until I checked my RFA a short while ago. I don't know if it's correct to list articles that have already been recreated on DRV, but please accept that listing the page on AFD was not an attempt to venue shop — I was genuinely unaware that a DRV existed and updated the AFD page immediately with this information.

It is obvious to me that you consider this a very serious matter as you have opposed my RFA on account of this alone. I thank you for your feedback and I would greatly appreciate if you could tell me what I should have done in this situation so that I can do that next time.

Regards, Stifle 15:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

It was put on WP:DRV after I mentioned the process. Recreated pages should be deleted on sight unless they've gone through WP:DRV. That's what {{db-repost}} is for. Otherwise, what is the point of having WP:DRV at all? I went through the work of originally listing the page on Afd and it sat out there and got a unanimous delete --- why would we need to go through that again just because now there's someone yelling louder? Page re-creation should only happen after WP:DRV, not before. Exceptions should only be allowed by someone who is already an admin, not by a non-admin - and only with a reason better than "suddenly there's a really adamant guy". Just my opinion. If you can cite a policy that disagrees with me, let me know and I'll reconsider my vote. —Wknight94 (talk) 16:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I still think it should be deleted. I did not "allow" someone to recreate the page. The problem is that the content is now significantly different from what was previously posted.
The policy that appears to disagree with you is WP:CSD#General, criterion 4. To be eligible for speedy deletion, a page must be a "substantially identical copy, by any title, of a page that was deleted according to the deletion policy". Therefore, unfortunately, it cannot be speedily deleted. Stifle 17:19, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, maybe it's my ignorance. How can you see what the content was previously? I thought all versions of deleted material were gone forever except to admins. I never paid attention to that clause because I didn't think I had access to see what it was previously (and my memory isn't good enough to recall one article from six weeks ago that was deleted without any fight). —Wknight94 (talk) 18:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
I can't see the previous version of the article, but seeing as a load of additions were made to it between 11:00 and 13:17 today, I assumed good faith in guessing that it would not be substantially the same. Stifle 18:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Hmmm. Well I'll remove my objection since you've at least tried to clear things up - and because now suddenly everyone loves this article (go figure - I'm not sure where all these supporters were when I first nominated all of 4 weeks ago). I'll be keeping my distance from Afd in the future since the process is clearly a total disaster and can be undone so easily - but I won't hold that against you... —Wknight94 (talk) 18:39, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't know where they came from either, but it may well have been the RFA :/ I'll leave you with this: the idea of AFD isn't to salt the earth against any future version of the content, simply to remove articles that are poor or non-notable. Comparatively few pages are permanently excluded from recreation. Stifle 18:46, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Singapore gay personalities

Per your participation at the above AfD, I was wondering what your take on Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Singapore public gay parties and the related articles would be. I respect your opinion and do not assume that you will necessarily agree with me. The discussion seems to be fairly split with minimal particpation. -- Krash (Talk) 19:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

I've voted on this AFD. Stifle 09:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your support!

And thanks for being fair. I struck my oppose vote and added a support vote! +Johnson542 22:52, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

I would like to ask one person who voted on True Combat: Elite deleting. Do you even play games? Have you even heard about the mod? Have you checked anything about it? Have you seen my phat and big comment where I mentioned a lot of obvious reasons for notability. You don't have to answer. I know the answer. --nlitement 00:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Since I voted, further evidence of notability has been added so I have changed to a keep vote. Stifle 09:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

make a wish!

Hey, you're one edit away from 7777 edits. That's, like, uber-lucky. Don't forget to make a wish :D

User:Adrian/zap2.js 07:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Plag

Ah! So that's how it's done. I'll remember it in the future. Thanks again! :-) CrypticBacon 12:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

No probs! Can you add in the URL for that page too when you get the chance? Stifle 20:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Workshare question

In your comment wrt deleting Workshare you say do not userfy. What does that mean? Just curious. JonHarder 14:27, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I mean that the page should specifically not be moved to the User: space, which is an option that is often considered in AFDs involving material that may belong there. See Misplaced Pages:Userfication for more information. Stifle 20:43, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I learned something new. JonHarder 21:40, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Thank you for your constructive critisizm during my RfA! It has decided to postpone making me an administrator based upon recent consensus (or lack thereof). Thanks for the kind remarks and I hope to continue to see you around the project. Cheers, Zsinj 08:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)


Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Singapore public gay parties

Regarding your participation in the aforementioned AfD (which resulted in no consensus) I would appreciate your opinions in the following AfD discussions. Thank you for your time. -- Krash (Talk) 15:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

My vote and comments on your rfa

Hi, just a personal note to let you know that I have nothing against you personally in the light of the above. My vote would not make a difference in terms of vote count or the outcome but I'm definite that you will heed my comments because I've seen you respond to the comments of other editors in a great fashion. All the best, --Gurubrahma 17:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies and message. I will definitely keep an eye out for the things you've mentioned and if you spot me screwing up or the like if/when I become an admin, please call me on it.
On a technical note and FYI, the edit summary counter thingy doesn't count the project namespace. Stifle 20:24, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

CAM=

Thank you for giving me the heads up :) Cao An Min 12:18, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

RfA/Christopherlin

Thanks for taking the time to vote and reread my RfA. I actually meant for the replies to be for all the oppose and neutral votes, but you're the only one who followed up. Anyway, next time I'm up I'll have more demonstrable knowledge of "the process", so I hope you'll support me then. --Christopherlin 17:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

You're a sysop!

Hi, Stifle/Archive 0409, Congratulations on Becoming a Sysop

Hey there. I'm pleased to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator! You've volunteered to do housekeeping duties that normal users sadly cannot participate in. Sysops can't do a lot of stuff: They can't delete pages just like that (except patent nonsense like "aojt9085yu8;3ou"), and they can't protect pages in an edit war they are involved in. But they can delete random junk, ban anonymous vandals, delete pages listed on Votes for deletion (provided there's a consensus) for more than one week, protect pages when asked to, and keep the few protected pages that exist on Misplaced Pages up to date.

Almost anything you can do can be undone, but please take a look at The Administrators' how-to guide and the Administrators' reading list before you get started (although you should have read that during your candidacy ;). Take a look before experimenting with your powers. Also, please add Administrators' noticeboard to your watchlist, as there are always discussions/requests for admins there. If you have any questions drop me a message at My talk page. Have fun! =Nichalp «Talk»=

Please also add your name to WP:LA =Nichalp «Talk»= 12:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Congrats! You deservr this and good luck for the future! --Siva1979 17:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
My congrats as well. See you in AFD. PJM 17:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks guys. I hope I will continue to be a good Wikipedian both as an admin and as an editor. Stifle 17:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Congratulations, good luck and welcome to the mop and bucket chores.--Dakota ~ ° 17:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Congrats and good luck Stifle! --a.n.o.n.y.m 20:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Why didn't I get a barnstar? Pff! :( --kingboyk 09:19, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Demilicious

Dear Sir or madam,

I've just been linked here from the Demilicious homepage. Why on earth would you want to delete their entry on Wiki? They are a band, they play shows, they have releases. That's it, surely. They are part of a music scene and worthy of entry. I want to find all sorts of things on Misplaced Pages. Dont start taking things down. What would Wiki REALLY be worth if you went round doign that all the time?

Regards,

Andrew Smith

I think you're a couple of days out of date. Assuming you're referring to Demilich (band), I have asked that it be kept. If your request is about something else, please say so and include a link. Also, please add ~~~~ on the end of all your messages to add your username and the date. Thanks. Stifle 15:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Re : Nomination for adminship for (aeropagitica)

Hello! Thank you for taking the time to vote for me in my recent request for adminship It ended with a final score of (40/10/5). I value all of the contributions made during the process and I will take a special note of the constructive criticism regarding interacting with users in the user talk space. If you have questions or requests, please leave a message.  (aeropagitica)  16:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations

Congratulations. Here are what pass for words of wisdom from the puppy:
  1. Remember you will always save the wrong version.
  2. Remember you must always follow the rules, except for when you ignore them. You will always pick the wrong one to do. (See #5)
  3. Remember to assume good faith and not bite. Remember that when you are applying these principles most diligently, you are probably dealing with a troll.
  4. Use the block ability sparingly. Enjoy the insults you receive when you do block.
  5. Remember when you make these errors, someone will be more than happy to point them out to you in dazzling clarity and descriptive terminology.
  6. and finally, Remember to contact me if you ever need assistance, and I will do what I am able. KillerChihuahua 17:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Thanks :) Stifle 17:58, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

KENU and My talk

===>Thanks for the instruction I sometimes get a little too far ahead of myself on new page patrol. Thanks for keeping me accountable. -Justin (koavf), talk 18:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Congrats on adminship

Hi, Glad to see you made it (even though I voted neutral, we Irish don't have agreat tradition of supporting each other do we?). Good luck, I have no doubt you'll be an excellent admin. Dlyons493 Talk 18:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome, and congratulations! Jayjg 19:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Not a problem. I've considered you a good candidate ever since that I.J.I.D. trollfest that plagued my first month on job. — Mar. 7, '06 <freakofnurxture|talk>

Congratulations Stifle, good luck --Ugur Basak 21:09, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Congrats. Use your buttons for good :) — User:Adrian/zap2.js 23:51, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Congrats. Best wish for your adminship.--Jusjih 01:14, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations, and good luck Quarl 2006-03-08 10:27Z

Congrats! You deserve this! --Siva1979 15:25, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Gifts for Soliders

Thanks for the reminder, however I'd already reverted my edit after noticing my initial mistake (see the page history) - I'm not sure why you're sending me a reminder after the fact. Thanks anyways, I guess. Cheers. Yankees76 20:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

I got there a couple seconds before you in the history, but meh, it's all good ;) Stifle 20:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
No problem - just confirming :) Yankees76 20:53, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Am...

Am familiar with Wiki-protocol. By the way, I do have a list of Wiki-protocol that you may find useful. It is a list of wikipedia shortcuts. This will allow anyone to access various wiki-links without having to go to WP:AN and asking a Admin for the correct link that they have a interest in, such as reporting that a bug has made a mess in Misplaced Pages. Hope this helps. Martial Law 00:17, 8 March 2006 (UTC) :)

Speedy Deletion

While working on layout for an entry I was working on (my first from scratch mind you) I saved the article and it immediately got a speedy deletion tag. I continued adding pertinant information and deleted the tab. I hadn't finished the article yet but it was deleted. It was both relevant (An American Roshi publically active in both American Prison Zen teaching, and the Abolition movement against the death penalty. I don't have a lot of spare time but this article is both infinately cross-linkable to relevant other wikipedia articles, and is encyclopedic. However due to speedy deletion before I could finish it I have no real desire to ever do a wikipedia edit again. Thank you for nothing. Trelane 04:46, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Just poking my head in here. I've had the page restored and moved it to Trelane's userspace to avoid having it zotted again before he gets a chance to include more information. In the future please don't edit war in speedy tags against named users who are available for a discussion. --Gmaxwell 05:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm trying to piece together what happened here. I can't see if somebody is "available for a discussion", and if I have to welcome a new user, then chances are they may not be fully aware of policies such as not removing (speedy) deletion tags. It's a good idea to only put up articles that at least pass the guidelines for inclusion (which in the case of biographical articles are WP:BIO), or to work on articles in your userspace before moving them over to the main space. I'm sorry that your early experiences of Misplaced Pages were so negative, but I would hope that you will continue to edit and enjoy your Wiki experience. Stifle 13:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Deletion

While working on an entry I got a proposed deletion tag. Can we talk about it here? evrik 17:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

This is now sorted :) Stifle 09:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

This user thinks it is ironic that thanks for supporting Cyde's successful RFA came in the form of a userbox.

Here's a userbox for you. --Cyde Weys 04:13, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Heh. Well done! Stifle 09:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: User_talk:Waggers#Docuvision

Thanks for that; I was getting confused with the various deletion procedures. Thanks for pointing me in the right direction, and sorry to make work for you! Waggers 13:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for helping clear this stuff off Misplaced Pages. Stifle 13:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Torenbreskens.jpg

Thanks for your advice and message. Since we are both contributing positively to the project, I would have appreciated a slightly friendlier tone. I assume that you did not mean to sound rude, but it is easy to misinterpret discourse without paralinguistic cues. Cheers. The JPS 13:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I hope the above didn't cause any offence. You must know how disheartening it is, though, when you trawl through dozens of articles to correct various things, and the only feedback is about what you've done wrong. The JPS 14:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Yes, it applies to both of us. Apologies for being blunt. Stifle 14:46, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Ishmael (Small God)

Sorry that was my sense of over subtle humour getting the better of me - anyway someone beat me to the main page deletion idea. Thanks. :: Kevinalewis : 17:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

State Route 15 (California)

Gateman1997 specifically edited and then reverted this page to prevent moving over it. In my view, that is very dickish. --SPUI (talk - don't use sorted stub templates!) 17:53, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not disputing that. However, I specifically can't speedy articles to facilitate a move unless it's non-controversial. You will need to take it to WP:RM. Stifle 17:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Typical Earth Alliance Permanent Space Colony

I've clarified and expanded (far more than the article deserves) my reasoning for the speedy deletion request on Typical Earth Alliance Permanent Space Colony. I hope that this helps you to understand the rationale for this nomination, and the entirely non-encyclopedic nature of this article. I have a feeling that some people see the word "fancruft" in a nomination and assume that the nomination is being made on that basis. Red-read my rationale and you will see that I was poiting out that, even as fancruft, the article could not be seen as meeting the notability requirement stated in CSD/Articles item #7. Thank you for your time. I was under the impression that speedy nominations should be marked as minor, and I have done so for the last year or so, but I'll look into it and change as required by the policies involved (which may have changed). -Harmil 19:18, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

While I may agree that the page should be speedied, CSD A7 refers to real people or real groups of people. This article is about a fictional group. I'm afraid that it will have to go to AFD or some other venue. Stifle 19:21, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my RfA!

Thank you!
Hi Stifle/Archive 0409, thank you for your support in my RfA: it passed with a final tally of 55/1/2. If you want a hand with anything, please gimme a shout. Again, thanks! – JDoorjam Talk 20:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/DJ Sharkey (2nd nomination)

Hi Stifle. I'm just letting you (the sole delete vote) know that I closed the above debate as "Keep (withdrawn by nominator)". Any objections please let me know, but do note my outlining of how the article already asserts notability. Cheers! --kingboyk 23:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Sunnydale High.jpg

Hiya, does an image of a high school have copyright ownership to anyone? Have I put it under the wrong label, what's your advice? Thanks -- Paxomen 11:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

BIYC

Hi,

I was wondering why you saw fit to delete the wikipedia page:

BIYC

The record label the page references may be slightly satirical and have a tongue in cheek attitude, but it does exist and is both popular and successful in the area of music that it aims to cover. People have described it as the V/vm of netlabels. It has recieved critical praise from fields as diverse as Ninja Tune and "We are the Music Makers".

Although I'd rather not publicise it on the main BIYC entry, the record label has a few "stars" of electronic music (from Warp Records, the same label as Maximo Park, who even if you have no interest in electronica, are likely to of heard of)recording for the label under pseudonyms (to avoid contractual infidelity). This isn't the bedroom project of a few stupid teenagers, visited solely by their friends; We have a large fan base and it's a legitimate project of at least as much validity as other small/indie record labels who have entries on Wiki. Quite why you deleted the entry for this label, yet still have entries for Mego and Merck, both of whom folded and one entry of which is a stub is unclear.

The article itself was informative, clearly written and free of S.P.A.G errors. Aside from giving away enough of the title that people old enough to know could work it out, it also had no content worth censoring.

I'm a moderator myself at XLTronic, so I know it is a nuisance responding to these sort of "why did you delete my.../ban me" posts, but in this instance I genuinely feel it is unjustified.

Cheers,

Ceri

Biyc 14:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I didn't delete the page, merely userfied it to User:Biyc. Your user page is a place to tell us about yourself and your projects. Please see WP:CORP, WP:NMG, WP:N, and WP:AUTO for details of what Misplaced Pages includes. Thanks! Stifle 23:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Colignatus

I disagree with your handling of User:Colignatus. He has been warned many times about personal attacks on Talk:Borda fixed point, and I already gave him a strongly-worded warning on his talk page, so even if you don't believe the threats are threats, he should still be blocked for personal attacks.

Colignatus has shut down all reasonable discussion on two articles by making personal attacks and academic threats, and he has gotten the idea that he can get away with it. It accomplishes nothing at this point to say "I'm warning you, be nice or I'll warn you again." rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 15:48, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I respectfully disagree. I would encourage you to use the Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution procedure, including Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment if you still have problems. Stifle 23:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
Sigh. Okay. Here's the RFC -- could you certify it? rspeer / ɹəədsɹ 05:14, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Done. Stifle 00:07, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hi Stifle. I wanted to thank you for taking the time to consider my RfA, which passed this morning. You definitely win most creative vote. If there's ever anything I can help you with, just ask; you know where to find me. Emphatic apologies for the spam. ×Meegs 08:03, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Speedy deletion

Thanks for the welcome message and sorry for putting a speedy deletion tag which should have been a NCT tag. --Mlino76 17:10, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

File:Atlanticpuffin4.jpg
This puffin looks friendly.

Thanks for your support in my RfA. It passed, with a final tally of 62/0/1. I'm touched by all the kind comments it attracted, and hope I'll be of some use with the new tools. You know where I am if you need to shout at me. Flowerparty? 15:54, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Templates

Hi Stifle, I've seen you put onto a user's talk page a long notice starting: "I notice that you tagged this page for speedy deletion, with the reason..." (i.e. a CSD decline). Are you using a template to do that, and if so where is it?

If yes, please let me know on my talk page, if no then no reply is needed :-) Thanks! Not sure if I congratulated you on your promotion or not but if I didn't, congratulations - you deserve it. --kingboyk 09:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

This is, for the time being, manually typed, as there are simply too many variables. I may try to come up with something in the near future, and if I do, I'll let you know. Stifle 18:42, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Thanks for participating in my RfA. It passed with a final tally of 98/13/10, just two short of making WP:100. If you need my help with anything, don't hesitate to ask.

Naconkantari e|t||c|m 23:16, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Thank you for your recent vote on my RFA. While the nomination failed, I was rather expecting it due to the big lapse between registration and recent edits. I appreciate the comments you left when you voted, and I will definitely keep them in mind. If you have any other suggestions as to how I could improve as a Wikipedian, so as to hopefully succeed next time, please let me know! Thanks! —akghetto  07:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

PROD tag

thank you very much for reminding me about this tag, Ive been looking for it... once againg, thanks! American Patriot 1776 23:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Congrats

Congrats on becoming an admin! I was hoping you could help with something. In deletion review (and the deletion process for that matter) and article was deleted that I believe should not have been. User:Tony Sidaway agrees. The article was deleted for notability, but the person in question was mentioned in about a dozen different mainstream media articles, included a recent front page article in the New York Times. Can you take a look and vote accordingly? The review is here. Misplaced Pages:Deletion Review#John Bambenek. Thanks. -- Alpha269 04:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)