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===Misuse of Drucker's biography of Shachtman=== | ===Misuse of Drucker's biography of Shachtman=== | ||
I reviewed Drucker's book, which is visible at Amazon (with a page limit). There are exactly two facts and one paraphrase that you added that |
I reviewed Drucker's book, which is visible at Amazon (with a page limit). There are exactly two facts and one paraphrase that you added that appear to be in only Drucker's book, and so were attributed sloppily: | ||
# Harrington and the majority caucuses had opposing viewpoints in nearly every issue of New America. | # Harrington and the majority caucuses had opposing viewpoints in nearly every issue of ''New America''. | ||
#McReynolds |
#McReynolds quit in 1970. | ||
This botched plagiarism misuses the sources: | This botched plagiarism misuses the sources: | ||
* "the ] maintained the strongest tendency to ] orthodoxy (or their version of it)", | * "the ] maintained the strongest tendency to ] orthodoxy (or their version of it)", | ||
For everything else, you were plagiarizing the SPUSA pamphlet and |
For everything else, you were plagiarizing the SPUSA pamphlet and duplicitously citing Drucker: | ||
# "Shachtman and his followers increasingly supported the war" | # "Shachtman and his followers increasingly supported the war" | ||
# "Harrington was strongly opposed to the war" | # "Harrington was strongly opposed to the war" |
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Socialist Party of America: POV?
Hi Peter!
You failed to specify any POV problems on the talk page. Please do so!
Sincerely, Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:53, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
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Also, please remember to provide summaries of your edits. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:07, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
- Issues - let's start with unilateral removal of a large amount of cited referenced content because it doesn't agree with your particular POV on the history of SPUSA. That was way out of line.
- What I wrote is carefully referenced and you should check it before tagging in a temper tantrum. Try to find one thing that's not referenced in the NYT! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:33, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
- You eliminated cited referenced content without explanation. That is highly frowned upon and I am challenging your edits. You are also being uncivil in the extreme. I think at this point your editing pattern on this article can rightly be called disruptive. Peter G Werner (talk) 09:40, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
- What I wrote is carefully referenced and you should check it before tagging in a temper tantrum. Try to find one thing that's not referenced in the NYT! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:33, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
- Your cited content was the SPUSA's own history and what you claim to be Drucker's book, which you never bothered to cite with a page reference: And all the information comes from the SPUSA history, so why bother about Drucker's book?
- You still have not asked for help with the plagiarism you inflicted on the article. You have to ask for help at the copyright violation dept. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)
Misuse of Drucker's biography of Shachtman
I reviewed Drucker's book, which is visible at Amazon (with a page limit). There are exactly two facts and one paraphrase that you added that appear to be in only Drucker's book, and so were attributed sloppily:
- Harrington and the majority caucuses had opposing viewpoints in nearly every issue of New America.
- McReynolds quit in 1970.
This botched plagiarism misuses the sources:
- "the Shachtmanites maintained the strongest tendency to Marxist orthodoxy (or their version of it)",
For everything else, you were plagiarizing the SPUSA pamphlet and duplicitously citing Drucker:
- "Shachtman and his followers increasingly supported the war"
- "Harrington was strongly opposed to the war"
- "the Debs Caucus opposed the war and embraced the New Left."
- "Conversely",
- "of all the three groups",
- "democratic centralism";
- "while the other two caucuses"
- "caucuses were more eclectic in their approach to socialism"
- "This division manifest most strongly during the 1968 Democratic Convention"
- "in which members of the Debs Caucus were among the protesters outside of the convention,"
- "while members of the Coalition and Unity Caucuses were among the convention delegates."
Why you cite Drucker for the other "history" is beneath me. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 12:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)