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Revision as of 19:05, 19 March 2006

• /Archive1 July 25 - November 18, 2005
• /Archive2 November 29 - December 28, 2005
• /Archive3 December 30, 2005 - January 25, 2005
• /Archive4 January 25, 2005 - March 1, 2005

History of the Los Angeles Lakers

Thanks for having put that article together. Just wanted you to know it's truly appreciated. Mwelch 20:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Image of the kikuyu woman

I appreciate your contribution to the 'Kikuyu' page. Would you mind adding a little more info about the image? I am interested about when and where the image was obtained - such as a tourist site, a festival, or other. In present day, one does not often see 'traditional dress.' Thanks --Kimathi 22:12, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

The photo was uploaded by wayfaring stranger. - Cybjorg 14:14, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

SPBW

Thanks. It was apparently listed twice, under two different days. I should have checked the talk page. Thanks for fixing it. All the best, – Quadell 19:20, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Edward Winter biography

Once again, Misplaced Pages is being used to publicize an unverifiable attack. In this case, the target is Edward Winter:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Edward_G._Winter

Some sample ridiculous statements:

(1)  "For the past more than 30 years, every time a new book by Keene has come out or a new article by Keene has been published, Edward Winter has written articles attacking it."
(2)  "Kingston is from the same part of England that Winter is believed to be from."  ("Wow, I didn't know that ... San Diego, California (where I was born and lived until 1980)  part of England." - Taylor Kingston comment)
(3)  "Edward Winter filed an ethics complaint with the FIDE Congress accusing Keene of unethical conduct in writing books almost exclusively about opening theory, whereas Winter said there should be more books about chess history."
(4)  "Keene's opponent was Florencio Campomanes who Winter supported."
(5)  "Chess Notes ... contains brief commentaries usually not more than one or two paragraphs in length attacking usually insignificant errors and spelling mistakes made by this or that chess writer."
(6)  "If a book by Keene contains a spelling mistake, Chess Notes will point it out."

At rec.games.chess.politics, samhsloan@gmail.com has referred to this as "my biography". Sam Sloan is the one who contributed the subsequently deleted supposed USCF blacklist. See discussion at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Chess_Life#Authors_Banned_or_Blacklisted_by_USCF_Sales

He also contributed the subsequently deleted Tom Dorsch "biography". See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tom_Dorsch

It should not be necessary for anyone to do a point by point refutation of the Edward Winter "biography". The "verifiable" sources do not exist and the author will not be able to produce them, as even a minimal amount of inquiry would reveal. I apologize once again for not being acquainted with the details of Misplaced Pages procedure. I have no interest in Misplaced Pages beyond the hope that those in charge will take measures to prevent its use for the promotion of garbage. I am posting this note here because you have some past experience with Sam Sloan. I imagine that you will know the best way to procede. - Louis Blair (March 3, 2006)

Robert Elsie

You can follow the links and see that Elsie holds the copyright on those picture. However, I won't object any decision that you may make.--Pjetër Bogdani III 04:41, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Tom Dorsch

Sam_Sloan (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has taken Tom Dorsch to WP:DRV. I guess you've looked at Sam Sloan's web page? this is an example. This goes some way to explain why the article was so very bad - Sloan evidently bears considerable personal animosity toward sthe subject. This Google search is also instructive. Expect some crap from Sam Sloan, feel free to ask me (email or Talk) if you need additional backup, but I have a feeling you can handle a POV pusher well enough :-) Just zis Guy you know? 10:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Permissions from Robert Elsie

Give me a couple of days to prepare email etc. As you can see, I got permissions to incorporate into Misplaced Pages all Elsie's articles (including three different sites!), not books. This is not so small amount of articles. --millosh (talk (sr:)) 20:04, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Misinformation on Sam Sloan's talk page

I hope that you do not mind too much if I trouble you once again. Sam Sloan has taken to repeatedly asserting, "User:Howcheng ... called Randy Bauer and Louis Blair my 'meatpuppets'." (See, for example, the "Third Opinion" section of Sam Sloan's talk page. http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Sam_Sloan) I had absolutely no involvement in the Dom Dorsch article discussion (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tom_Dorsch), so I assume that you never called me a "meatpuppet". Would you be kind enough to make a statement to that effect on Sam Sloan's talk page? - Louis Blair (4 March 2006) OK. Apparently I was mistaken. But I most drefinitely NOT mistaken about User:Howcheng calling Randy Bauer, who was at that time the Budget Director of the State of Iowa, my "meatpuppet". Sam Sloan 04:48, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Radio Askew

Hi, Since you originally prodded it Radio Askew has been de-prodded, re-prodded and de-prodded. So I thought you'd like to know that Radio Askew is now at AfD.--Royal Blue 11:46, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced message

Hey Howard! I Think AriGold left a message for you on Esperanza's talk page by mistake. ➨ ❝REDVERS❞ 14:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

I removed it. My bad. I was just commenting that the same issue is popping up with users Lesfer and DrBat at the Typhoid Mary (comics) page. I won't make any more changes to it, just thought you should know though. The new image that Lesfer is trying to use has a source webpage that is not the same image as the one that he uploaded. I have no idea where it came from and am not getting involved anymore. AriGold 16:26, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Creative Commons license correction

Howard,

You have recently uploaded a picture taken by me to Wikimedia Commons. The picture was licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license, and you listed it under the CC Attribution 2.0 license.

There are substantial differences between various Creative Commons licenses. In particular, Attribution-ShareAlike and Attribution licenses have different terms and conditions.

When copying images to Wikimedia Commons, please make sure that the licensing information you enter is correct.

Regards, Alexander Konovalenko 21:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

{{no license}} change request

Stupid question, but could/would you modify the {{no license}} template so this text:

Also, please consider notifying the uploader with {{subst:image copyright|Image:Holly Cheng/Archive5}} ~~~~ and adding {{speedy-image-c}} to the image caption in any articles in which it's being used.

looks like this:

or something equivalent? Sort of like {{no source}}? Those of us challenged by cut and paste mechanics during image tagging would welcome the change.

Regards, Dethomas 03:02, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Motivations for Contributing to Online Communities

I nominated the article as a copyvio because:

1. It was created all in one piece, and
2. The original revision reads like a book, or a preface to one. Lines that made me suspicious include:

These are examples of successful online knowledge sharing infrastructures. What motivates this incredible contribution and how did these and other online knowledge sharing infrastructures encourage this voluntary contribution? (at the beginning of the article)

Let’s go over each of these motivations and describe how they have used in online communities of the past and today. (in section 1, "Motivations for Contribution")

For example, what is the point of posting to a forum if you do not think anyone will read it? Because of this reason and the fact that organizational culture does not change overnight, you can expect slow progress at first. (in section 3, "Online Community Virtuous Cycle")

1. Lastly, it was created by a new user, User:Snoutholder, who has not challenged the insertion of the copyvio tag on either the article's talk page or my user talk page.

I take back my last point. The user has said on his user talk page that: "Only those passages in quotes are copied directly from the books so 90% of the article was written by myself."

In view of his statement, please advise whether the copyvio nomination should be withdrawn. I hope I didn't bite the newbie in the process. :-(

Images

Please don't come to my userpage to make comments about pictures that I already tagged for speedy deletion (and were deleted by the time I saw your message). The point you're trying to make is dead, so why make it? (Aside from it being a screenshot so I don't see the big deal anyway). Thank you. - File:Ottawa flag.png nathanrdotcom 18:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

• It's kind of hard to assume good faith when there were no explanations posted on my talk page until after the image was deleted (so the point you were trying to make was dead). You could have come to my talk page, explained why the image should be deleted when it was tagged. Anyways, whatever...the image is deleted so this is a dead issue. Case closed. - File:Ottawa flag.png nathanrdotcom 18:42, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Austrian State flag large.png

thank you for your message. I have no problems with the deletion of the image, even if I used to sign with it, it's fine with me. Gryffindor 23:41, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Images

My tagging is being constantly removed. (first tagging was 18 February 2006)

• Image:Armeniangenocide starved.JPG
• Image:Armeniangenocide starvedchildren.JPG
• Image:Armeniangenocide deadpeople.jpg
• Image:Turkish-genocide-killed-more-than-one-and-a-half-million-Armenians.jpg

--Cool Cat 03:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for working on CAT:NS

I noticed you finished up the images to be deleted in Category:Images_with_unknown_source_as_of_27_February_2006. Good work. Thanks for doing that. JesseW, the juggling janitor 13:05, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Nathan M. Newmark

Good catch. Well, you're right - I don't know that it's a copyvio. But if you go to Misplaced Pages:Spotting possible copyright violations, this article meets 4 of the 5 warning criteria. It was basically put up at once (more or less), is unwikified, has kind of "catchy" section headings that are not standard wikipedia format, and the tone of the whole piece is more like a tribute than an encyclopedia. Also, if they'd done any basic research on him, rather than copy-and-paste, they'd know he's dead and would include his date of death. I'm sorry I haven't had more time to devote to it, but I will. I just did a quick google search and turned up this page which is pretty darn close. Actually, this page is even closer. The rest of the source article seems to be password protected. But I think if you take a look at these two, you'll agree they've been copied with minimal changes. Bruxism 00:28, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

You don't think those two sites offer enough proof of copyvio? Anyway, I should rewrite the whole thing. He was my cousin, actually (though I never met him). Bruxism 17:55, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

This user thinks it is ironic that thanks for supporting Cyde's successful RFA came in the form of a userbox.

Here's a userbox for you. --Cyde Weys 04:36, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Create new article

I have experimented with creating a new article, one which I believe would be beneficial to many researchers, but to no avail. I cannot figure out how to get the article to stay on for longer than a few hours. How can I get my article to remain on the site?

Image tagging

Hi, I changed the licensing of the four images you cited to {{HistoricPhoto}}, a fair use claim which I believe is the most appropriate. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 17:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

The thing is we cannot annonymously claim fair use. I am fine with a fair use claim if given which archive or book these images are orriginaly from. If they have been coppied illegaly (take a look at Talk:Armenian_Genocide/Archive_7#Photographs to see what I mean) from archives or websites they must be deleted.

For example: www.armenian-genocide.org copyright notice suggests:

"COPYING-AND-PASTING" OF ANY MATERIALS POSTED ON ANI'S WEB SITE TO YOUR WEB SITE, INCLUDING THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE MAPS, TEXTS, IMAGES, PHOTOS, DESIGNS, OR ANY PORTION OF ANY MAP, TEXTS, IMAGES, PHOTOS, DESIGNS, OR ANY OTHER INFORMATION CONSTITUTING ANY PART OF ANI'S WEB SITE, IS STRICTLY PROHIBITED (See Publishing below for further information).

Think this scneraio: Images were coppied from http://www.armenian-genocide.org to http://www.armeniapedia.org and to us. This would put wikipedia at a problematic situation. A fair use claim cannot apply.

--Cool Cat 18:51, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Sakharov images

Hi, I noticed that you have removed Image:Sakharov timemag 1101770221 400.jpg and Image:Sakharov timemag 1101900514 400.jpg. I thought that my reply to an IFD attempt took care of the issues, since no further comments were made. Why were they removed? Thanks. ←Humus sapiens 01:39, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't believe the deletion was justified, especially given my response and the lack of comments. If we are talking about legalese (IANAL) I don't see difference between a caption and a text. Is a citation necessary? Is this for TIME mag only or for all fairuse images? Where can I find the requirements? Sorry, too many questions. I am planning to restore the images and comply with the rules but I feel this is unproductive waste of time, both yours and mine. Cheers. ←Humus sapiens 07:31, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

CAF Beasain

Howcheng, I have no need to start this article again as the subject is well covered in Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles (oops) --Peter Horn 03:56, 10 March 2006 (UTC). Cheers,--Peter Horn 03:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you

For your support on the MetroStars vs RBNY issue. It's been a tough week for us Metro supporters, and many of us are having a difficult time with the transition, which for many will never occur. Every bit of support, for whatever reason, helps. DR31 _(talk) 15:32, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Orphaned image tagging

Howcheng, Could you tell me is there a must requirement to notify uploader of the images which are untagged and orphaned. Regards, Shyam 11:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

request for undeletion

Hi, You recently undeleted my image Template:Grob Tutor 5AEF.jpg . I've been away from Misplaced Pages for a few months and so didn't notice the message saying it would be deleted until too late. I took the photo myself so will tag it as GFDL-self once undelted. This image is linked to from at least one article I'm aware of. Thanks, Steve Sc147 18:30, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Sc147 19:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:Arashiyama 013.jpg

Hi. You removed "no source" tag from Image:Arashiyama 013.jpg but you haven't provided the copyright notice which is required for GFDL images. Could you please provide at least the name of the author? See WP:IDP and GFDL for more information. Thank you. --163.139.215.193 16:22, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I added more detail to the page. Although I wasn't able to find the exact image on the OpenHistory web site, User:TakuyaMurata is a trusted user. howcheng {chat} 16:56, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Websites vs actual sources

For an image like Image:MS FENNICA MS NORDICA.jpg, we really need more than a URL to demonstrate sourcing. Otherwise every gallery of copyvios on the net can be claimed to be a "source". The website needs to make some kind of affirmative statement that "this is our picture, not somebody else's that we are borrowing/got permission for/copyvio'ing because we can". Stan 19:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Engineering companies don't usually have helicopters with which to take pictures once the ship gets out to sea - it's more likely that the customer took the picture, and the company is using it with their permission, unstated on the website because it's their business, not ours. With legal issues like this, not a good idea to make too many "logical assumptions". Stan 19:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Image:MS FENNICA MS NORDICA.jpg

Howcheng, you have considered the image fair use. But before tagging no source Stan, it had two links that was removed by OrphanBot. You replaced the image on MS Fennica, but not on Icebreaker. Do you think it is not fair use for second one? Regards, Shyam 19:55, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

James Douglas

Hey man thanks for replacing that picture on James Douglas (governor) without even a discussion, now I dont even know what the original looked like. Perhaps if you werent in such a gigantic rush you would perhaps take a look at the pages you are changing indiscriminately and see that the picture you added is EXACTLY the same as the picture further down the page, just with terrible quality. Next time discuss and give me time to find the source. However it didn't stop there - then you delete the picture so I can't edit it back. Seems you've taken this whole site on for yourself. Seems to me this is a community and you should give the people who created these articles the chance to make things right themselves. Holy sh*t sometimes the users on this site really piss me off. Idea: begin consulting with people on the discussion page (ever heard of it?) before messing with an article in the way that you did. Kilter 19:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Agreed! That image comes from the B.C. Archives. I have an email from them which gives blanket permission to use their online images for Misplaced Pages. A little discussion could have yielded a solution to this without your precipitous edit. Could you please put the image back? Or do you want me to forward you the email I have? Fishhead64 19:57, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Katelyn Faber

Could you weigh in at the bottom of the Talk Page for Katelyn Faber regarding the inclusion of an image of her? User:Tufflaw, who unsuccessfully tried to have the entire article deleted back in December 2005 insists on censoring/deleting it for extremely specious reasons, and I've been asked to gather a consensus. Please read the bottom two sections of that page. Thanks. Nightscream 19:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)