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:There is no such thing as an "age of consent for sex" in the United States. The statutes and laws of the States and the Federal Government are there to protect children from sexual predators. They do not exist to announce to the world when children are legally able to "consent" to sex. This is an important legal distinction and one that pedophiles and sexual predators would like to see eliminated. Where you believe the child of 16 is at an "age of consent" for sex, a careful reading of the relevant statutes will show that the laws are written to allow for things such as what to do when two teenagers have sex; what to do when a teenager becomes pregnant by an adult, what to do when the "adult" is just one year older, or what to do when the adult is 20 years older. The statutes try to make allowances for local customs/behaviors, so that they aren't locking up high school kids who have sex with each other. ] (]) 01:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC) :There is no such thing as an "age of consent for sex" in the United States. The statutes and laws of the States and the Federal Government are there to protect children from sexual predators. They do not exist to announce to the world when children are legally able to "consent" to sex. This is an important legal distinction and one that pedophiles and sexual predators would like to see eliminated. Where you believe the child of 16 is at an "age of consent" for sex, a careful reading of the relevant statutes will show that the laws are written to allow for things such as what to do when two teenagers have sex; what to do when a teenager becomes pregnant by an adult, what to do when the "adult" is just one year older, or what to do when the adult is 20 years older. The statutes try to make allowances for local customs/behaviors, so that they aren't locking up high school kids who have sex with each other. ] (]) 01:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
:::Ok but I actually argued what you said a while ago and Legitimus took down my posts arguing that and said I made that up. And also I've read the text of my state's law at least 20 times because I was confused because my family and friends all said Legitimus was lying but Legitimus was saying they were and I don't see anything in Indiana's law that forbids, say a 50 year old from having with a 16 year old unless he works at the teen's school or place of employment. I actually tried to find anything in Indiana law that said that and found nothing. So I don't believe your interpretation is correct. Can you show where the Indiana law, for example, forbids that? --] (]) 01:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC) :::Ok but I actually argued what you said a while ago and Legitimus took down my posts arguing that and said I made that up. And also I've read the text of my state's law at least 20 times because I was confused because my family and friends all said Legitimus was lying but Legitimus was saying they were and I don't see anything in Indiana's law that forbids, say a 50 year old from having with a 16 year old unless he works at the teen's school or place of employment. I actually tried to find anything in Indiana law that said that and found nothing. So I don't believe your interpretation is correct. Can you show where the Indiana law, for example, forbids that? --] (]) 01:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
::::Saying "below the ]" does not give a false impression that consent in the United States begins at age 16. All it does is make it clear that ''Dateline'' was catching men who believed these people were below the age of consent for the state they were in. And no matter what the State and Federal statutes state, "age of consent" was stressed on '']'' all the time. That is not WP:OR. And the decoys weren't just pretending to be 13-15; they were pretending to be 12-15. ::::While gives a false impression that age of consent in the United States always begins at age 16, simply saying "below the ]" does not. All it does is make it clear that ''Dateline'' was catching men who believed these people were below the age of consent. And no matter what the State and Federal statutes say, "age of consent" was stressed on '']'' often. That is not WP:OR. And the decoys weren't just pretending to be 13-15; they were pretending to be 12-15.


::::Malke 2010, I don't know what you mean by "there is no such thing as an 'age of consent for sex' in the United States." But the ] and ] articles disagree with you. ::::Malke 2010, I'm not sure what you mean by "there is no such thing as an 'age of consent for sex' in the United States." But the ] and ] articles disagree with you. I understand what you are saying about the "close in age" factor, but the term "age of consent" is still used in the United States and is made at the state level (see the ] section).


::::RJR3333, Legitimus knows what he's talking about. I advise you to stop this erratic, sloppy, unsourced and careless editing of yours. ] (]) 06:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC) ::::RJR3333, Legitimus knows what he's talking about. I advise you to stop this erratic, sloppy, unsourced and careless editing of yours. ] (]) 06:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

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why don't you have a seat over there —Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.216.233.170 (talk) 17:20, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Image

I've added a main image for the article. Resize as needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by RockPunchX69 (talkcontribs) 18:40, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

30 Rock

Chris Hansen also cameoed as himself on the sitcom 30 Rock. This should be added to the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Imalegend (talkcontribs) 11:23, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Deletion nomination ==

Everything has been removed from this article. Why keep it around?

I wanted to know who chris hansen was, so I typed his name into google and this is the first thing that came up. It answered all I wanted to know, namely who he was and why he is an internet meme. So it serves its purpose and wikipedias purpose well. plz gtfo or stop nominating useful articles for deletion. 24.108.208.160 (talk) 19:59, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't it also be added that he was parodied on South Park in season 11's Le_Petit_Tourette?208.125.235.35 (talk) 20:54, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

More discussion

A valid source must be provided. Until then, I have deleted the allegation.
--Slyguy 01:07, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Does Chris Hansen's dimeanor and even physical attributes remind you of that ass wipe in CSI miami? They must be brothers. They should hang out for a couple days.

Vandalism

All right, this is becoming ridiculous. You can disagree with Chris Hansen and Dateline's methods, but you cannot add random bullshit to his WP entry anonymously. If this keeps happening, I will contact the administrators. --Slyguy 15:29, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Chris Hanses Age

I noticed an error on the page. I went to the same High School in Michigan as Chris Hanses, and he graduated in 1977. It says on the page that he is now 42 years old, but if he graduated high school in '77 that means for that to be true he would have had to of been 12 when he graduated, since that was 30 years ago....He was born in 1958 I am pretty sure about that you guys might just want to check up on it —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.235.34.187 (talk) 06:56, 28 March 2007 (UTC).

Is Dateline all he does?

He says that he has been in television for 24 years, and I'm pretty sure the Dateline segment isn't that old. Can anyone find what else he has done in his career? Also, not to nag, but if the article is going to be this short it shouldn't even exist. And no, don't ask me to do it myself.

7FlushSetzer 05:18, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


Yes,He also does like Cold Case type shows on MSNBC —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.55.240.181 (talk) 22:22, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Has he ever been physical attacked on the show?--98.141.70.51 (talk) 06:30, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

June 2008 settlement

I know the link goes to latimesblogs.latimes.com, but I swear that I read it in the newspaper, where they don't publish blogs. I don't know why it's under the blogs heading, but if you read the article it's factual, concise, and researched; there's no hint of any opinion or such that blogs normally have. Therefore I consider this to be a good source. hbdragon88 (talk) 20:59, 6 July 2008 (UTC)

As an Internet Meme

Basically anyone who's ever been on a forum site knows that there ae hundreds of Chrius Hansen anti-pedo pictures. All the evidence you need: Anyway, I can't understand the pont of being opposed to the section. Necessary or not, it is a fact about Chris Hansen. --CPO Pieman (talk) 22:53, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Bad link. The point of being opposed? Beacuse it's just not encyclopedic. It goes against our core values of WP:V and WP:NOR. We do not make or assert things. We can only report on what other people have said. We need other people to verify it. It has to be notable enough for us to mention it. There are many, many things I would love to write, but they haven't been covered in reliable publications, so I can't say them. hbdragon88 (talk) 01:52, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

There. I put in a reference. But really, anyone who's ever been to most forum sites (mostly BB.com) will tell you that he's an internet meme. It's on the Chuck Norris article, why can't it be in this one? --CPO Pieman (talk) 15:11, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

You really need to read WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NOTE and WP:NOR, as dragon states above, and as I've said on your talk page. Both the pop culture and internet meme section are completely non-notable. Thanks! Fin© 15:31, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Why don't you take a seat?

Surprised not to see any mention of his "catchphrase". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.133.141 (talk) 19:36, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


About categories

I think Internet phenomena should be add to them, anyone agrees? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.156.28.168 (talk) 00:53, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Picture

Why would this article not have a picture? --R3ZN2H8 Speak 10:53, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Anyone that has their own picture of him should take a seat over there. --Evilbetty1991 (talk) 20:49, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Louis Conradt

The section on Louis Conradt should have this sentence removed since it is POV: "Hansen admitted to several other inconsistencies or gaps in his personal memory.". To be more explicit, by asserting the existence of "memory gaps" it takes the POV that the purported events really happened: something has to have first happened before it can be forgotten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.204.147.57 (talk) 03:05, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Agreed 65.93.45.213 (talk) 02:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

2011 infidelity Scandal

I would suggest that some mention be made of the June 2011 scandal in which Mr Hansen was found to have been engaged in an extramarital affair. Since his personal life does have an entry, I would suggest that this would be the appropriate place to make such a mention. It is significant at least in part because of the parallels between the techniques of which he makes use in his programmes and those used in discovery of his affair. A news mention of the incident may be found here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2009511/To-Catch-Predators-Chris-Hansen-caught-cheating-wife.html?ito=feeds-newsxml. Wbehun (talk) 05:56, 30 June 2011 (UTC) Mentors I'd like to know if a reporter for a Detroit TV news station was a mentor to Chris Hansen? I always thought that he sounded so much like Al Allen that if you closed your eyes you could not tell the difference! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.2.5.103 (talk) 00:19, 1 July 2011 (UTC) I agree, the scandal is covered by major news organizations and deserves a mention. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.169.127.237 (talk) 23:38, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

As the primary source for this controversial information about a living person is the National Enquirer which engages in tabloid journalism, I would wait for a traditional news source, preferably US-based as the primary subjects work in the States, to report on either
(1) a public comment from either of the subjects or Hansen's wife
(2) any legal action pursued in civil court that would indicate that the allegations have merit.
Remember that wikipedia is not the place for news WP:NOTNEWS. If this turns out to be true, the editor adding to this wiki article can attribute the National Enquirer as the original source. Kjmonkey (talk) 13:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

"Age of consent."

An editor keeps adding "below the age of consent," to the section on "To Catch a Predator." This gives a false impression on two fronts: 1) it is a generalization and makes it appear that consent in the United States begins at age 16, which it does not, and 2) that the State and Federal statutes that protect children from sexual predators use the language "age of consent." Neither is true, nor does the use of "below the age of consent," have a citation to back it up. It is WP:OR to add that in without having a citation to support it.Malke 2010 (talk) 00:45, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

I never said that the age of consent always starts at 16. I said that SOME STATES DO, there are 3 states where it does, Indiana, Kentucky, and Georgia. In Illinois its 17. In the rest its 18. I NEVER SAID THE AGE LIMIT WAS 16 IN ALL STATES, I SAID THAT IN SOME STATES IT WAS. But the reason these men go to jail is because the teens are below the age of consent. And in the wikipedia article on To Catch a Predator someone else not me wrote the exact same thing and that was not controversial. --RJR3333 (talk) 01:07, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

There is no such thing as an "age of consent for sex" in the United States. The statutes and laws of the States and the Federal Government are there to protect children from sexual predators. They do not exist to announce to the world when children are legally able to "consent" to sex. This is an important legal distinction and one that pedophiles and sexual predators would like to see eliminated. Where you believe the child of 16 is at an "age of consent" for sex, a careful reading of the relevant statutes will show that the laws are written to allow for things such as what to do when two teenagers have sex; what to do when a teenager becomes pregnant by an adult, what to do when the "adult" is just one year older, or what to do when the adult is 20 years older. The statutes try to make allowances for local customs/behaviors, so that they aren't locking up high school kids who have sex with each other. Malke 2010 (talk) 01:38, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Ok but I actually argued what you said a while ago and Legitimus took down my posts arguing that and said I made that up. And also I've read the text of my state's law at least 20 times because I was confused because my family and friends all said Legitimus was lying but Legitimus was saying they were and I don't see anything in Indiana's law that forbids, say a 50 year old from having with a 16 year old unless he works at the teen's school or place of employment. I actually tried to find anything in Indiana law that said that and found nothing. So I don't believe your interpretation is correct. Can you show where the Indiana law, for example, forbids that? --RJR3333 (talk) 01:59, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
While this edit gives a false impression that age of consent in the United States always begins at age 16, simply saying "below the age of consent" does not. All it does is make it clear that Dateline was catching men who believed these people were below the age of consent. And no matter what the State and Federal statutes say, "age of consent" was stressed on To Catch a Predator often. That is not WP:OR. And the decoys weren't just pretending to be 13-15; they were pretending to be 12-15.
Malke 2010, I'm not sure what you mean by "there is no such thing as an 'age of consent for sex' in the United States." But the Age of consent and Ages of consent in North America articles disagree with you. I understand what you are saying about the "close in age" factor, but the term "age of consent" is still used in the United States and is made at the state level (see the Stat laws section).
RJR3333, Legitimus knows what he's talking about. I advise you to stop this erratic, sloppy, unsourced and careless editing of yours. Flyer22 (talk) 06:50, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
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