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Thank you

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		Thanks for your recent contributions! Mike Restivo (talk) 19:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thai Royal Flags

Hello, someone asked me to finished them a longtime ago but because of the complexity and the large number of them I decided to only do three more: the Crown Prince's, Princess Sirindhorn's and Princess Chulabhorn's. They are still in my todo list. Sodacan (talk) 12:11, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

U.S. Governor Flags

First off, great work on the governor flags! I don't think that they belong at the top of the article - given it is about the state flag. However, they definitely deserve their own section or page. Sorry about putting them in the See Also section. I meant for this to be a temporary solution until I could do some research on the symbolism. I created a new section for each governor flag in each of the articles. The descriptions need a little work. ...okay, alot of work... :) Cheers! -DevinCook (talk) 11:27, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

A challenge

Fry - If you're feeling up to it, you could perhaps provide Misplaced Pages with a free version of the Royal Canadian Air Cadets flag and the Royal Canadian Sea Cadets flag. The Royal Canadian Army Cadets don't have any flag image uploaded at all. I simply have neither the time nor the skills to do it myself. Cheers. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 05:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the badges are beyond my abilities. I'm still pretty basic with Inkscape. I do agree though that we should have these flags added, and have some mates on the Commons who I can request of. Fry1989 (talk) 19:50, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

I see; well, you're still better qualified than I.

BTW: I left a note about the layout of List of Canadian flags at the article's talk page. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 20:21, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Very Excellent! I love flags myself, I collect them in real life.... My state flag is rare OHIO... I believe its the only one like it in the world... though I could be mistaken... Keep up the Work --HRH.zadock (talk) 05:40, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Flag of Louisiana

The Flag of Louisiana has a new official design. http://www.nola.com/politics/index.ssf/2010/11/state_officials_unfurl_newly-d.html I also received word from the Secretary of State's office that this is the NEW official design of the flag. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.131.80.119 (talk) 03:06, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, that's all we need. Appropriate changes will be made to SVG. Fry1989 (talk)

Flag of Louisiana Still Not Updated

Here's the super high resolution official image from the Secretary of State's website http://www.sos.louisiana.gov/Portals/0/Other%20Services/LAFlagArtRGB.jpg

Also if you could here's the seal as well

http://www.sos.louisiana.gov/Portals/0/Other%20Services/LA%20Seal%20(color)%20version%203.png

I would do this my self but I have absolutely no idea how to work with SVGs

Thanks--Thegunkid (talk) 15:11, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the High-res images. I'll try and see what i can do. Fry1989 (talk) 22:22, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Fin Flash Fix

Ok Fry, I think we've been going about this all wrong. On the "Fin Flash" artcle I want to just convey to the reader that there is more to the flag, fin flash, roundel...etc than they may not know or understand. I have notice that when I go to the "Flag of Russia" The info box allows the reader to see an outline on the flag, and it enables them to see that white section on top is part of the flag. Yet when you click on the image it's not there. (Probably cause it's a info box) Even on some roundels there is a light out line as seen Here and even you have added one Here (check out the file updates). So with regards to the outline on the "Bahamas" Fin flash, I think we need something to let reader see the entire flag outline, and you’re the one I have to thank for pointing that out, through your argument. The "Fin Flash" on the White airplane has an outline, because it's up against a white color scheme. Exactly my point, of course we don't need it so dark.....And yes the ratio you have is fine.. It would be great to also fix, "Siberia, Pakistan, and Russia"...thoughts ? Jetijonez (talk) 02:48, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

The general way would be to put in the image display code the word border, for exmaple "Image:Standard of the Governor of Rhode Island.svg|140px|border" produces that flag with a thin border outlines, as you can see in this template (click "show", flag on right), however, that doesn't seem to work in a gallery format. I do not now how we can apply this to the Fin Flashes gallery. With roundels it's different. It's difficult to make out the difference between an outer white section and "nothing", but with flags it is better understood what parts are white and what parts are "nothing". Fry1989 (talk) 02:44, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

OK thanks, I'll give it a shot - FYI I tried to get those Flag Icons back in Talk:BRICS only to have an Administator, start hassling me, on other artcles of mine, beware Jetijonez (talk) 02:53, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Well, the problem with the BRICS issue more complicated, as you can see below. I've dealt with that use in numerous talkpages and discussions about his behaviour, and he simply doesn't get it. Fry1989 (talk) 03:28, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

"within the Commonwealth"

Why have you added this phrase to Elizabeth II? Eddaido (talk) 07:15, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Because that is the Queen's personal flag within the Commonwealth. It's not used outside of the Commonwealth, or within her realms for which she has a royal standard, except when she is acting on behalf of the Commonwealth. Fry1989 (talk) 19:28, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

That seems to make sense (i.e. related to the position she is taking at that moment) except: what personal flag is used when in e.g. USA? Eddaido (talk) 00:52, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe she has one for us in countries outside of the Commonwealth or her Realms. She would most likely use the British Flag, or the flag of one of her other realms, depending on which country she is acting on behalf. For example, when she visits the US as Queen of Canada, she uses the Canadian flag. Fry1989 (talk) 00:56, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

If you can supply an external (to wikipedia) reference it might tell us what is displayed on transport and accommodation when she visits France. Eddaido (talk) 01:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Well again, it all depends what country's territory she is "on", and which country she is representing.. If she is visiting as the Queen of the United Kingdom, she would use the British flag. However, when she visited the Canadian Vimy War Memorial, she used both the Canadian Flag, and her Canadian Royal Standard, as she was acting as Queen of Canada, and because that land is "given" to Canada by France. However, if she was visiting anywhere else of France as Canadian Queen, she would just use the Canadian flag, as that's all French land, and her royal standards are not meant for use outside her realms. That is why she would not use her British royal standard in France as well. Fry1989 (talk) 02:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I translate this response as meaning you cannot supply any external reference for any of your opinions and you cannot state what is displayed when she visits France. That is what you seem to say. You also seem to have a particular interest in Canada!

You should not have made the mistaken amendment to her article that you did. Eddaido (talk) 06:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I've removed this from the caption because she has different personal flags in different countries of the Commonwealth, and when she visits other countries on behalf of all the realms (like for example when she spoke at the UN), I don't see how can she fly anything other than the general personal flag. That might mean that she should have flown the personal flag when she visited the US (although I can't say that she did). DrKiernan (talk) 08:04, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Looking through my copy of A Year with the Queen, all I can see in photos from two State Visits (USA and Estonia) is the odd Union Jack sprinkled around--but there are no photos of e.g. her in a car flying a standard of some sort. Speaking from personal experience from her last visit to Toronto, she flies her Personal Canadian Flag (banner of the Arms, defaced with her cypher) on her car. The Duke & Duchess of Cornwall fly the Duke's personal standard on their car. → ROUX ₪ 08:14, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Addendum: royal.gov.uk used to have a feature whereby people could write in with questions. That seems to have disappeared, but there is contact information for the Public Information Office under the 'contacts' link from the main page there. Perhaps someone more local to Buck House could ring them, ask, and see whether they'd be happy publishing such information on the website so we could then use it as a reference. I'd rather not inflate my phone bill with transatlantic phonecalls. → ROUX ₪ 08:19, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Oh for god's sake. As I said, it all depends on what country she is in, and which country she is representing. If she is in one of her realms, she would bear her personal royal standard for that realm. If she's in one realm, but representing another realm, she would use the standard of the realm she's representing. And example of this is when she flew her New Zealand royal standard IN the UK when she was visiting the grounds of the New Zealand War Memorial there in London. When she is within any Commonwealth nation of which she is not Head of State (IE: India, Dominica, Rwanda), or if she is acting on behalf of the Commonwealth, such as at the Commonwealth Games, she would use her personal flag as head of the Commonwealth. Any State Visits outside of her realms and the Commonwealth, she uses the national flag of the realm she's representing. So if she's visiting the US on behalf of Britain, she uses the Union Flag, if on behalf of Canada, she uses the Canadian flag. It's a complex system but there's some simple ways of figuring it out. Fry1989 (talk) 19:05, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

All very logical and so forth, but have you got references? → ROUX ₪ 14:40, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

I know of references, but it will take time for me to find them again. Fry1989 (talk) 19:34, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

That would probably be helpful. → ROUX ₪ 19:38, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

Great Seal of Vermont

I have to ask, why did you revert back to the old version of the Vermont seal? The graphic is over 100 years old with the current state-used design by Ira Allen, and has been duplicated several times on other educational websites. It doesn't qualify for 18 U.S.C. 701, and is only governed by statutes 1 V.S.A. § 494 and 13 V.S.A. § 1904, the first of which states it may be used by the "Vermont development board" in a publication with advertising provided there is the Governor's approval, and the latter of which strictly states that it "may be used for commemorative medals or for public displays not connected with any advertising" as long as it does not say that the State of Vermont endorses the work (in this case Misplaced Pages itself). So why should it this not be portrayed exactly as it is officially illustrated? While there are other versions on the internet based on Misplaced Pages's older renderings, the official portrayal is still widely available elsewhere in similar contexts. --Ken (talk) 13:16, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

As I explained in my reversion, a direct copy can cause us problems. Just because the Seal is over 100 years old, the particular graphic you traced it from may not be. I'm trying to protect the file, because we've had issues like this before with others. Fry1989 (talk) 19:11, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

The seal being over 100 years old has little to do with it, the graphic from which it is derived is from the Vermont Historical Society, which does not even own the rights to the seal (see the laws above, a quick Google search will show this is the original version) but even so states on its website that its materials are allowed to be duplicated for non-commercial, educational purposes. I'll assume that you have good intention to protect the file, but you have given only given a blanket statement here and in your reversion. Saying that it can cause problems like those of other files (with which copyright status may be unknown) is different than saying such is the case for this specific file. Even assuming that the rendition isn't 100 years old, it is still usable content on the grounds of both the source site and the original author (the state). In light of these permissions, please give me a valid but specific reason that it should not be used here and I will drop this.--Ken (talk) 21:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

You don't get what I'm saying. Just because the Seal is PD, the rendition may not be. Do you know who made the version you traced? If you don't, that brings it into question. Do you know how many PD seals and arms I have seen deleted because the rendition wasn't? Seals that are well over 150 years old have been deleted because the rendition they were based on is a modern one. Fry1989 (talk) 21:08, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I know what you're saying but it simply doesn't apply, if you read in the revision you would see it says who made the version (Reuben Dean, who did so for the state, I even emailed the VHS and they confirmed this is the same version), where it's sourced and that said source states it is fine to use in a setting like Misplaced Pages. If you had gone on the website it came from or looked at the revision you would have known this. Instead you pick the first statement and ignore all of what I've just said, it has nothing to do with the seal or the rendition being public domain, it has everything to do with the author and holders of the rendition both saying it is okay to use. Not being allowed for commercial use in any form of rendition, the seal probably shouldn't be public domain as is. I think I have been as thorough and specific as I can be, at this point you're only being overbearing.--Ken (talk) 22:01, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

I was trying to help. If I am wrong, correct it, but don't call me overbearing when my original intent was modest. Fry1989 (talk) 22:03, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I've just had too many dealings with edit wars on here before, and rather than doing that, in the end I just left a nice steaming heap on this talk page. Though the usage part is true, it was mostly unnecessary. When you asked who made the rendering it really set me off, I thought you were trolling me. I'm sure it was an oversight, and I probably could have done to edit it into the description as well. You have my apologies --Ken (talk) 00:42, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Regarding Danish coat of arms w/o crown

Hi. I agree with you now that the full version of the arms (File:National Coat of arms of Denmark.svg) should be used on the Template:Foreign relations of Denmark template and the Prime Minister of Denmark article. I created the new image (with omitted crown) to replace a previous version, and I admit I went overboard adding it to various articles where it was not needed. Thank you for reverting those changes.

However, I do think that the File:National Coat of arms of Denmark no crown.svg version must remain on the Outline of Denmark article - simply because the larger version will not fit, and the version without the crown has been on that article now for several years.

Remember that the shield of the arms is all that counts really. Obviously the full arms with the crown is preferable but sometimes (as on the outline article) just isn't practical.

I hope you will just leave a bind eye to the new image's inclusion on the "Outline of Denmark" article (and if not please reply back). Although I agree that the full version should be used on all other articles (perhaps excluding some lists).

Thanks :) Peter (talk) 21:46, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Brunei Roundel?

Fry I'm a little confused. Either you showed the wrong image, or I'm missing something, cause the photo mentioned in the edit summary, dosen't show anything on the wing except an ID number. Your link that you posted is this pic. Some insight please Jetijonez (talk) 02:09, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I saw markings on the underside of the wing, it looked like a roundel of some sort to me. Fry1989 23:19, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

FRY!!! Come on dude..some sort of roundel, OK no worries, just look better nxt time, please Jetijonez (talk) 04:50, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

RE: Hello

Ok, I will work on it. Here's the first one: Adelbrecht (talk) 19:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

second one:
Adelbrecht (talk) 19:43, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Third one:
I'll do the seals for Massachusetts tomorrow. Adelbrecht (talk) 20:22, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks so much, looking beautiful :) Fry1989 22:00, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I can't view or download the Flickr file for the seal of the Governor. There seems to be an error. Do you have another source, or a backup? Adelbrecht (talk) 12:37, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Okday, request has been completed. Adelbrecht (talk) 17:33, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Template:Statistical regions of Serbia

I want to tell you to be aware that current situation regarding Kosovo and Serbia is regulated by ARBMAC restriction and arbitration, so edit warring regarding that, while dont know entire situation, may be very bad for you. If you have some proposition, talk on the talk page, and when we agree, we will all insert or remove. Majority of the world still regards Kosovo as part of Serbia, and this situation is consensus, and not personal attitudes. See ARBMAC for more. --WhiteWriter 12:56, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

The majority of the world hasn't decided one way or the other, don't be disingenuous that just because a country doesn't recognize Kosovo means they consider it part of Serbia. Many countries have said it will take time for them to decide one way or the other. Misplaced Pages's job is to show the reality, and you know what that is. What I have done is a compromise, to have both maps. That's perfectly reasonable. Fry1989 17:14, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, you did good, i just tell you that, PLEASe, man, talk to me first, dont edit war, and we will agree everything. If you have any question or proposition, tell me, and we will agree. Thanks! -WhiteWriter 17:44, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

I finds your cross-wiki POV mission very problematic, and i would love to try to fix it. See here (Kosovo) Thanks ..WhiteWriter 11:35, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

It's not a POV mission, it's a reality mission. Misplaced Pages is an information service, and must reflect reality. Fry1989 18:50, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

This is your last reality warning, next time you will be reported, and as far as i understand ARBMAC, banned or blocked for a long time. Your POV is not everyone's pov. I will revert you once again to the agreed version of images. (last time) If you have some proposition, ask and propose on talk page. What are you doing now, is just POV pushing, nationalistic edit warring, and violation of agreed consensuses. All best, and please, take my advice. --WhiteWriter 19:47, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

A brownie for you!

In that name, a brownie! :) For all further and past fine cooperation. WhiteWriter 17:46, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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