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Number of the Greeks

I think that the ] page about the Greeks is incomplete or inaccurate in some cases concerning the number of the Greeks.so,i have decided to start a topic here,in my talk page,in order to improve it.anyone is welcomed as far as he/she can state sources and reasons.

Before starting i would like to ask for the classification 'who is a Greek?',and i am proposing the following distinctions:

1.those who have greek national consciousness(but this is rather difficult to be sited,wheather someone has or not)

2.those who speak greek(but this way greek-speaking populations e.g. in italy and turkey should be included,and not-greek speaking populations in ukraine and russia should not)

3.those who are greek orthodox(but religion has long ago stopped been the major reason for ethnic identities)

4.those who have greek origins(hard to say this,which may also lead to racial and racist theories)

5.those who have greek citizenship(but a governmental paper can be an accurate reason for an ethnic identity)

I can site some sources concerning the greek population in various countries,but before editting them in the article,i think dialogue is needed. thanks.--Hectorian 09:35, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Yes, I actually put in some figures for the Greeks and did some work on the page on and off. One of the problems is that many Greeks outside of the immediate area of the Balkans have intermarried, such as in the US which has a large Greek population, while in other places it has assimilated partially. I had a tough time because some of the figures I put in were dubbed by one wikipedian as 'biased' towards Albanians which was not my intent. We can, at best, work with estimates I'd say. The Greek census and the US census, for example seem to work to some extent, but ultimately it's a tough call. I think the main criteria should be people who speak Greek outside of Greece and Cyprus and the figures inside Greece would depend upon other factors as there is a growing debate in the EU as to whether or not there should even be actual ethnic groups per se such as in France (the French people debate was something I also got into). I'd skip the Greek origins part since Greeks settled all over the Mediterranean and it's not feasible to count people who might be part Greek. Which sources did you have in mind? Ethnologue seems to count the number of Greek speakers at over 12,000,000. Perhaps some of these figures could also be added. You might want to continue this conversation at the Greek peoples page though just for the sake of wider participation of the regulars interested in the article. Tombseye 19:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I have moved the discussion in ]--Hectorian 19:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Reply

Ok, sorry for reverting your edits. You can revert back any time. --Khoikhoi 21:33, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

hello Hectorian

I'm not sure I can help you right now (I'm into many things and a little stressed) but you may contact me again if you wish :)

Take care and welcome to WikiPedia! talk to +MATIA 22:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Welcome

Γεια σου Εκτοριανέ. Με ενδιαφέρει πολύ το θέμα που επέλεξες. Θα το παρακολουθήσω. NikoSilver 23:58, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Cyrus

Hey, no problem. People like that, who get accounts just to vandalize are supposed to be blocked forever, but I didn't report him. --Khoikhoi 23:49, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Inanna

Hmmm... Do you suggest page protection. You should go on the internet or find books that are reliable sources for statisics like these. Not a Greek website, not a Turkish website, but a site that is completely neutral and will give you accurate data.

Once you've done that show it to Inanna and ask her what she thinks. Hopefully this will end the conflict. Does she have any neutral sources about what Greeks did to the Jews during WWII? I'd like to see them, being a Jew myself.

I'm seriously trying to not take any sides her but ask her about the Armenian Genocide and see what she says. I'm just curious. --Khoikhoi 06:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey, thanks. We'll just wait for now until she reverts again and we can post our sources on the talk page.

Just a question, what are the demographics of Greece? What percentage is it Greek? --Khoikhoi 19:36, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks man, that was really interesting. So I guess the Vlachs have been sort of assimilated into mainstream Greek culture, or do they still maintain aspects of their own culture? What part of Greece are you from? I've always wanted to go to those islands in the Aegean. ;) --Khoikhoi 02:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Interesting that there are still Jews left in your hometown. I was reading the Romaniotes article, and it says:

During World War II, when Greece was occupied by the Axis, 86% of the Greek Jews, especially those in the areas occupied by Nazi Germany and Bulgaria, were murdered despite efforts by the Greek Orthodox Church and many Christian Greeks to shelter Jews. Although the Germans and Bulgarians deported a great number of Greek Jews, many were hidden by their Greek neighbours. Despite this though, roughly 49,000 Jews were deported from Thessaloniki alone and exterminated.'

In the History of the Jews in Turkey article, it says:

Turkey granted protected minority status to the Jews in 1926. During World War II, Turkey served as a safe haven for Jews -- while the Jewish communities of occupied Greece were wiped out almost completely by German and Bulgarian occupation forces, the Turkish Jews remained secure.

So in conclusion, both the Greeks and the Turks helped out the Jews during WWII. Both groups did the best they could to protect the Jews.

Oh, by the way, I'm from California, USA. --Khoikhoi 05:22, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment on my talk page. Actually, I'm little tired from all those discussions on the Macedonian talk pages and I will get some rest. As I can see on your user page, you are supporter of Palestina, Kurdistan, Tibet etc, so maybe you will be supporter of good faith between our two countries! See you... Bitola 18:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

User templates

Hey, no problem! --Khoikhoi 18:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Great job. I suggest you notify the goddess Inanna about this. --Khoikhoi 23:07, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

If she does that I'll notify an admin. And the page won't get unprotected until the "dispute is resolved". ;) --Khoikhoi 23:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

'Macedonians' in Greece

I did accept the olive branch, but that doesn't mean I am going to stop editing articles. I did not violate anything or anyone's views of "peace". I included a sourced piece of information, remember, Misplaced Pages is not claiming 1 million Macedonians in Greece, its stating different numbers from different sources. One of these sources are from the Macedonians of Greece themselves, who claim there are 1 million Macedonians. Its only fair for all sources from all sides to be included, especially in a situation like this where there are no official numbers like a census. Macedonia 23:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

But 1.5 million refugees did not come in Greek Macedonia, I would say 700,000 the most. So thats 800,000 remaing Greeks left. Perhaps those 800,000 Greeks are the decendents of Greeks already in the region. (Don't forget, many Greeks from other parts of Greece also came to Macedonia after the Pontic refugees.) --Macedonia 23:59, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

And about those numbers that you mentioned, "...in the same sense,there are sources claiming 250000 aromanians in FYROM and other sources that talk about 1.3 million bulgarians...", well, all those have no sources at all, they are racist remarks made by people who are trying to deny the very existence of Macedonians. Unlike the number I added, which is derived from a real reliable source, the Human Rights Watch International. --Macedonia 00:03, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Again, I don't want you to think that Misplaced Pages is saying 1 million Macedonians in Greece, the article says: "Ethnic Macedonian activists in northern Greece assert that half of the population of Greek Macedonia is of Macedonian descent". Therefore, readers like yourself are free to assume what ever you want (whether its true/false, almost). So whether or not the number is real or not, I think it should stay only if it says "Macedonian activists" so that readers know where the number is from or how reliable it really is. Macedonia 00:16, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm afraid you don't understand what I mean. I am not saying that the Macedonian activists are a reliable source, mabey no one does, thats why on the article it says "Macedonian activists" claim this number. So this way if people like yourself think that the number is totally wrong, they will read that only Macedonian activists have said this and then they will know why its a big number. Macedonia 00:28, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

But this is where you are WRONG. I did not put that 1 million Macedonians live in Greece on the Greece article, I put it on the Macedonians article. So you can put what ever you wanted in the Aromanians article. I guess this ended our dispute, take care, Macedonia 00:36, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Inanna

Actually, every time she tries to delete comments from talk pages other than her user page she's been reverted. I'll re-add the comment, and we'll see what happens. --Khoikhoi 02:12, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I was thinking about that, for Iranic. But I'm not sure if it's used as much as Iranian. The dispute is weather it's a valid term. --Khoikhoi 02:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I don't think that will end the dispute. People like Diyako want to see the page deleted or merged. --Khoikhoi 02:21, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

No problem! --Khoikhoi 02:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Xwsta!

Empaine Ektoriane giati den antexw allo me tous sfeteristes twn... mhlwn mas kai tou pappou mas. Nomizw oti prepei na proste8ei sto ar8ro tous sto tmhma istoria, oti den exoun sxesh me ton pappou, gia na 3eka8arisoun ta pragmata mia kai kalh. Otan to apofasiseis, epeidh apo oti blepw eisai melethmenos, egw kai alloi 4 pou synennooumaste eimaste pisw sou 100%. Mono proetoimase to swsta prin kai eidopoihse mas. NikoSilver 23:38, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Adhmonw! NikoSilver 18:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

An 8es na gelaseis empa sto ar8ro gia olo to ritzion kai des ti tous ekana revert kai pws to dikaiologw. Tous exw afhsei na skeftontai dior8wseis le3h-le3h. NikoSilver 18:50, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Para poly kalo to syntaktiko. Perimenw antidraseis. 8a eidopoihsw toys ypoloipous. NikoSilver 22:57, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Mpravo ektoriane!Poly kali i douleia sou gia tin "proin xwra". Siga siga prepei na to ebedidoun kai oi idioi tous oti den exoun kamia apolytws sxesi oute me ti Makedonia oute me ton Alexandro oute me tipota apo auta. Giati oi ilithioi nomizoun oti an oikiopoiithoun to onoma tha mporoun an exoun kai tin istoria tou, alla logariazoun xwris tous ksenodoxous. Keep walking...--Makedonas 02:13, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Macedonia (region)#Dear editors,

Please take a look at it. NikoSilver 12:07, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Nomizw ta afairesan ta ar8ra. Kapou ta eixa diabasei kiolas.

SOS! Koita ta kolpa pou kanei o typos sthn parapanw selida. Diabase to talk-page tou +MATIA gia na katalabeis... Xreiazetai pollh douleia m'aytous kai se polla ar8ra. NikoSilver 23:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia

Hey Hectorian,

Sorry about that. It looks like you re-added your contributions the wrong way. Instead, you should click on the old version of the page, and click "edit this page". That way the wikification won't be destroyed. Let me know if you understood that. ;) --Khoikhoi 00:19, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

You edited the article three times? That's ok to do...don't you mean reverted instead?

Hey, would you be able to really help me out? Please revert the following pages:

• Turkmen people
• Timur
• List of massacres
• Ottoman Empire
• Chios Massacre

Inanna continues to try to change history like it's her own personal playground. Please help me out here, thanks. :) --Khoikhoi 00:34, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Let me know if there's anything I can do for you. --Khoikhoi 01:00, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks. I was thinking of reverting, but I'm glad that you did it. You're right, sometimes she'll take the highest number mentioned in a source to make the Turks look good, or she'll take the lowest number in the source to make the Greeks look bad. *Sigh*, it never ends. I think the example of African Amercians is a good example, don't worry I'm not offended. ;) Ever heard of Rodney King? He was a black guy who was videotaped being beaten by the police. A lot of other racial minorities in my country often feel targeted by the cops because the police sometimes stereotype against them because of their economic status and race. It's a bad problem that we have. --Khoikhoi 02:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes, the riots in France where pretty big, wern't they? They were in the news over here for a long time. Inanna knew that the user was a Kurd because he/she said so. See the bottom of Talk:Kurdish people. But still, for someone who has said that she "hates all Greeks" - there isn't really no point in talking to them at all. It's basically the definition of...I actually gotta stop talking about her, it's not very nice. I must end this with one final thing though. For someone who is also Jewish (yes Inanna is a Jew) - a people that have been persecuted since ancient times, you'd think that she'd be more tolerant. --Khoikhoi 03:19, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. Btw, check your email... --Khoikhoi 03:37, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

You are a great example of typical poisinous greek.Editing lie massacres and denying your barbarism is really neutral.Turkish-Cypriot massacres never happened?! Even your terrorist state admited that.My family were victims of greek brutality.And don’t worry.I am going to add american terrorism against indiands, blacks, phillipinos and vietnamese.

Don’t confuse everyone with your homosexual nation.You should ask my feminence to my bf.I didn’t suprised actually because i know how is like greek women...Retarded traitors are in every country.That doesnt mean most Turks have friendly senses against you.You have killed our 1 million people.You’re already a poor nation.So why we forgive you?

If you have(i don’t think so) a little bit manliness(this is for all of you) write your opinions about me in my talk page and don’t beg help at all times.Manliness is not been to carry penis on your front.Just as Turkish woman bands had cleaned greek palikaria brigands from aegan region...Inanna 08:29, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• 1. You said it was never happened.All of them were made by greek government.State-terror! But i can’t expect something diffrent from you.Double-Standards...And anyone can use their opinions, don't interest anyone...
• 2. You called me “Guy/Girl” at first and then i said the trues.Is it lie? How can i describe diffrent than that? Even homosexuality has started in greece.Wrong? and i suppose no straight love homos...Greek girls in miss universe?!!! I have never seen.You can see the diffrence in cyprus.Greek-cypriot men are runing behind the Turkish-Cypriot girls ther tongues out.So show just one beautiful greek...
• 3. I mean a Turk who can be friendly agaisnt a greek is traitor.Don’t bastardize again...
• 4. Who are you and can decide about my origins? Don’t suppose everbody is like you...
• 5. Go ahead! I am too afraid...Inanna 14:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

• 1. Yes, there are terror in the eastern Turkey.But it’s kurdish terror and everybody kills terrorists.”Greece” is the biggest reason of terror in Turkey.
• 2. All you should thank my bf in order to i can’t busy with you all the time anymore.
• 3. “The Woman” was the most inferior thing at ancient greece.To say “woman” to someone was the greatest swearing.See what Hesiodos said.Book of Eflatun became the perverts’ handbook.So gay relations has started and grown so much at ancient greece...Homosexuals should keep their behaviours or they’re very bad examples for new generations.Unless they don’t behave anormal, that’s none of my affair...How many times should i say that i’m not muslim?
• 4. Goddesses? Haha...i wanted you to show me beautiful greek women.Not the organisation.If they really did, they must be Turkic or Albanian origin.
• 5. Until before barriers opened, i could walk around by bikini at North Cyprus.After greek tourists has started to come to north, i couldn’t.They are watching like an ox.Thanks to god we live seperated and north is the best place in the world to live.
• 6. I want to say at first that i never care that mikiawards.I advise you don’t be fool by the idiot soap-operas at TV.We already have a diffrent target by these series...
• 7. Nobody can wash my brain(unless i don’t want).I know my noble roots very well and i didn’t decide about that.I don’t know what Khoikhoi said you by e-mail but i’m sure such a silly things.
• 8. I never capitulate to unfairness and double standards and i will not...Inanna 21:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I replied you.Giving examples.Last but not least, you are younger than me.So go and play with your toys.I just feel sorry.Afterall, you are a greek and i'm a Turkish.Your complex is unavoidable...Inanna 21:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

As a result you understood me.Why i force myself to speak english very well.I already don’t like it and that’s none of your affair. Inanna 22:09, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Ela Ektoriane, min tis dinis simasia, i Inanna ehi pi anikta pos misi olus tus Ellines - den ine oli i Turkii hristes etsi, ego eho milisi me alus pu ine to akrivos anditheto. I gaidurya stin periptosi tis den ehi oria - ine eknevrismeni pu voithas na svinume tis aidies tis. Se ligo tha se lei ke "watchdog tu Khoikhoi" ;-) --Latinus 11:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Pare ena vraviio. Kanonika tha elega oti su to dino pu den andidras ashima otan se prokalii i Inanna, ala i afierosi pu evala den ine ashimi ;-) --Latinus 11:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Hey thanks Hectorian! I'll take a look at those links. Btw, next time Inanna makes personal attacks like she did above make a message on WP:PAIN. Interesting information about Atatürk btw. --Khoikhoi 19:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Please check your e-mail. --Latinus 12:46, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Do you think you could give your assistance on Bitola - it's a hard area. --Latinus 17:42, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Prepei na deis kai ti ekane kapoios prox8es sto ar8ro gia olh thn perioxh (3ereis poio). Pros8ese ola ta an8ellhnika quotes kai afairese ta filellhnika. NikoSilver 13:32, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

M'areseis giati eisai grhgoros! An mporeis twra baltous kai liges anafores gia na skasoun. NikoSilver 14:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Pare kai ena vraveio giati eisai megalos magkas!NikoSilver 14:43, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Ektoriane, den ksero an to gnorizis, alla diavase ligo to 3RR. Simfona me afton ton kanona boris na kanis epanafora (revert) se ena arthro (i opiadipote selida) mono mehri tris fores kathe ikositetraoro. An kanis perissotera, tha su valun frayi ya ikositeseris ores. Kita ena paradigma pos to apefiga ego eno o hristis makedonia efaye frayi. Prin kanis epanafora des ti ora ine piyene stin istoria tis selidas ke des apo tin idia ora tin proigumeni mera, poses epanafores ehis kani ke na epanaferis ti selida mono an ise siguros oti den tha paraviasis ton kanona. Epanafora yinete ke "en meri", diladi ke allayi lexis yinete na theorithi epanafora. An den ise siguros, min epanaferis, as to ke tha to kani kapios allos. S' ta leo afta epidi ise shetika kenuryos ke bori na min to ixeres. --Latinus 15:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Kata tin gnomi mu, kalo ine arga na kanis tis epanafores. Diladi an kapios kani mia epanafora pu den su aresi, as' to ya duo i tris ores, ke meta epanafere tin proigumeni ekdohi. Etsi, bori na ehi varethi aftos ke na ehi fiyi ap' ton ipoloyisti tu ke bori kapios allos na ehi di ti ekane ke na to epanaferi aftos prin apo sena, opote den tha hriasti na kanis epanafora katholu. --Latinus 15:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Pros8esa liges syndeseis... He-he-he ;-) NikoSilver 15:46, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Please support category Kurdistan against some biased users. Thank you very much. Diyako Talk + 17:44, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks a bunch for the barnstar Hectorian! This seems to be the week of barnstar-giving, as I've only had 1 for the longest time and suddenly I have 3. ευχαριστώ! --Khoikhoi 18:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, I don't know Greek, I just got it from Wikitionary. ;)

S´efxaristo

S´efxaristo pou boh8as sto ar8ro gia thn arxaia makedoniki glossa. Den mporw na 3anakanw epanafora. Boh8eia. Na tou kaneis an thelis 3R,emploki! --Asteraki 20:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Ektoriane, lipame pu su ekana anastrofi, alla ti na kanume, afti i ekdohi ine POV. Na kanume mikres allayes, ohi na leme oti ine veveo oti itan Elliniki dialektos (mallon tha itan), alla oli i akadimaiki de simfonun. Borume na grapsume oti i perisoteri akadimaiki pistevun oti itan, alla ine POV na pume oti ine veveo. --Latinus 20:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Ektoriane, the hriastume voithia sto Macedonia (region). --Latinus 23:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

"Philhellen" = "Greek Patriot"

Ektoriane, des ti apanthsa ston Septentrionalis sto Talk:Greeks#Alexander the Great. Ta idia pros8esa kai sto Philhellenism opote eykola ki wraia stelneis opoiondhpote allo amfisbhtia prokypsei na dei to ar8ro. ;-) NikoSilver 21:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Des to e-mail su... --Latinus 23:05, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Pata to dexi pliktro tu mouse, piyene sto "encoding" ke epilexe "Greek (Windows)". --Latinus 23:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Persian kings

Thank you for letting me know. I've fixed the problem by moving template to the bottom of the article. SouthernComfort 14:55, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

You're too neutral(!)Stop concealing what you have done!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by -Inanna- (talk • contribs)

Min xanakanis anastrofi se ekino to arthro - iparhi o mireos kanonas :-/ --Latinus 16:59, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

De tha voithisis ton Khoikhoi sto Macedonians (ethnic group)? Den ehi aperiorista apothemata anastrofon :-( --Latinus 22:27, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks

Efxaristo para poli!

• Gia ti germaniki pigene sto eki pou lei 21.Hellenische Sprachen kai sto telos tou ipopsifio gia diagrafi:Hellenische Sprachen grapse.

• Natürlich behalten --Onoma

Diladi , fisika diatirisi (=Natürlich behalten) kai to onoma sou, opos parapano! --Kamikazi2 13:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Macedonians (ethnic group)

Really I only wanted to revert Politis, and hadn't seen your change. Personally, I don't have much problems with it, even if I find "discovered in the Greek region of Macedonia" contentious and potentially misleading; reading it, one may understand a sort of claim on all the region, RoM included. Maybe to simply state it was found in northern Greece would be better. Ciao :-) Aldux 16:16, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Kane mu mya hari - epanafere tin teleftea ekdosi mu sto arthro pu sizitame ya na paravyasi aftos to xeris pyo. --Latinus 17:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Orea, min ksanakanis tipota tora - kseris yati. --Latinus 17:15, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Diskola apodikniete - kita na dis ti tha kanume; an to ksanaepanaferi, esi tha ton karfosis - tha su stilo to kimeno ke odigies me e-mail. --Latinus 17:18, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Tha su po pote tha su eho stili e-mail. --Latinus 17:23, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Hector, I've got a brand new link for you. If you don't feel like reading, check the tables at the end of the article:--Komitata 19:23, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Hector, look at Torlakian dialect, which is internationally considered a transitional dialect between Bulgarian, Macedonian and Serbian (although there are at least three different views of its character in the Balkans ;-)),on the question of mutual intelligibility between Serbian and Мacedonian see the Section "Literature", the last sentence. How do you think the Serbians would understand easily Macedonian if they have difficulties with their most southern dialects? Macedonians understand very well Serbian, that is a fact, but maybe it's just a case of lifelong exposition to a similar foreign language, and in the case with Bulgarian, they have been lifelongly restrained of any contact whatsoever, and still even macedonian sources claim mutual intelligibility. I really am amazed at the stubbornness of some people calling the white black and vice-versa. Aren't you already sorry being dragged into the swamp of Southern Slavic identities ;-) ? --Komitata 21:02, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Hector, you must buy me a lot of beers, because I wrote a gigantic explanation about Torlakian on my page. --Komitata 22:35, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

What is the procedure of archiving the talk about Macedonians (ethnic group) and putting to discussion only the contested sentences? --Komitata 13:23, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Our favourite discussion has disappeared somewhere. Where? BTW, are you there? --Komitata 23:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriots

Looks good! I added a POV tag for now until the disupte is resolved. I'm pretty busy right now, but I'll try to leave a comment when I can. --Khoikhoi 21:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

No problem. Btw, today's the day... ;) --Khoikhoi 23:04, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Check your email. --Khoikhoi 23:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Did you get my latest email? --Khoikhoi 00:43, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

The only way we'll be able to add numbers to counter Inanna's source is to provide a reliable source. You didn't so she'll probably continue to revert. Btw check your email. ;) --Khoikhoi 23:18, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --Khoikhoi 23:30, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Chios

Thanks to your mention of Frangomichalos I think I've found the main source of the article, and I've added it as an external link. And thanks for the link on the demo. data. Bye! :-) Aldux 20:34, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Check your mail

You can delete this message, if you like --Komitata 23:53, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, check your mail. --Latinus 16:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

You've got mail. :) --Khoikhoi 02:09, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Replied. --Khoikhoi 03:01, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Epeigon (SOS)

Xriazome-aste ti voithia sou, giati apo oti eida kseris kalitera galika apo oti ego! Koita, to arthro afto exi protathi distixos, meta apo kapies diorthosis pou ekana, gia diagrafi: w:fr:Macédoine grecque.

• Se parakalo voithise kai kane oti mporis gia na min diagrafi!!!! --84.164.207.72 19:27, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Me sixgoris file! Alla an thelis mporis na metavivasis kai se allous Ellines, to minima afto? Efxaristo!!! Na se kala! As to sosoume! Einai krima na to diagrapsi aftos o alitis! --84.164.207.72 19:33, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

It says the poplation of Aleppo in 1906.If you read, you'll see.Compare the Turkish population with other numbers to see neutrality.There are a lot of sources were used which is not in english in other pages.English resorces are generally hacked...

"Syria government,with concept of Arap nationalisic,registered the Turk under the name of muslim during the census,living in Syria.So, Turks real number,expensed a large area. "

Inanna 19:30, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Uzbeks are Turks also."Turk" is the general name of the Turkic tribes.We are the Oghuz Turks but we're a little bit selfish at this point.Besides, numbers are compeletley TRUE! There are assimilation politics in many countries against Turks such as syria, iran ,iraq, greece, bulgaria...Inanna 19:04, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurdish people

Yeah it looks like my edit went through and yours didn't :p Aucaman 05:47, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

E8niko Synolo Apanw

Kalws ton Monasthri. Mphke ki aytos sthn koubenta. Den tou trabas allh mia epanafora? Mono, ayth th fora an 8es, kanto mesa sto koutaki, pros8etontas to katw apo to anatolikoi idioi, wste na mporw na 3anampw sto paixnidi. NikoSilver 14:12, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Re sy, autoi den paizontai! Bale an 8es se parakalw oti exoun sxesh me tous e3 anatolas tous giati egw den mporw na to 3anakanw. Balto sto koutaki pou leei "alloi sysxetismenoi laoi", katw apo to notioi s. kai tekmhriwse basei tou teleytaiou sxoliou mou sto twk. Epishs, pros8ese an 8es kai gia th glwssa mesa sto keimeno. NikoSilver 20:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Trikala and Aromanians

I just followed the specifications in the article Alkiviadis Diamandi di Samarina. If you trust your sources, could you also modify it there, then include Grevena in Category:Principality of Pindus (while taking out Trikala)? Note that the article for Alkiviadis does provide reference: in case you don't contest it, could you revert your edits on Trikala? Thanks. Dahn 19:21, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Boris na prosehis to arthoro ya ti Slavomakedoniki glossa - svinun to kalo onoma... --Latinus 20:33, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Piyene tora - tu ena, tu eho exandlisi ke tis tris, o alos ehi fai frayi mehri avrio - piyene! --Latinus 20:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

There is a song from Mary J. Blige, which says: Someone please call 911... ;-) Bomac 20:54, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know, this "backup" seems to me like you're the one that pushes edit-warring... :-) Bomac 21:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Min kanis epanafora sto arthro ya tus simbatriotes tu Bomaku... ase na mazepsume apanafores ya avrio ;-) --Latinus 21:01, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

You'd better listen to him... ;-) Bomac 21:03, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Please help

Hey Hectorian. I'll reply to your email in a second. Until then, please help me out on Adana. Some Turkish editor is trying to remove the Greek name and a paragraph about the Adana massacre. Thanks! --Khoikhoi 01:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks again! --Khoikhoi 01:17, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

He reverted again... --Khoikhoi 01:25, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

I actually gotta eat dinner now, but I'll reply to your email when I'm done. Keep an eye on the page, will ya? And don't revert more than 3 times. Btw is it true that people eat dinner at like 10:00 in Greece? --Khoikhoi 01:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

See WP:3RR. The user has to revert more than 3 times. --Khoikhoi 01:29, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, the anon has reverted more 4 times, I'm going to report him/her. You have 1 more revert. --Khoikhoi 01:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Done. Time to eat. --Khoikhoi 01:38, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Bon revert! --Khoikhoi 01:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriots

Thank you for reverting 194.42.22.4's edit previously. S/he apperantly has a problem with the given population number of 500,000 TCs residing in Turkey, that issue needs to be cleared so we finally reach NPoV and remove the tag.--Kagan the Barbarian 09:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

I find 500,000 exaggerated as well unless sourced. Anyway, I made some changes on the population part. Take a look, if we agree it is neutral, remove the tag.--Kagan the Barbarian 11:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I want articles to be NPoV, not Turkish PoV. As a Turk of course, my main concern is articles where facts/information about Turks are being distorted or ignored. I am not here to push an agenda, I think people who do so are only fooling themselves and doing great damage to Misplaced Pages. Anyway, I hope you show the same concern/care for Greek articles, people want information, not POV, we should respect that.--Kagan the Barbarian 16:07, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Kurd stub

Have you seen?

• Misplaced Pages:Stub_types_for_deletion#.7B.7BKurd-politician-stub.7D.7D_.2F_Cat:Kurdish_politician_stubs

--Mais oui! 06:00, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Psit! Milas Romaiika? Min anisyxeis gia to Macraki kai autous tous argosxolous sto "Ellines", exo piges gia na tous apostomono mia zoi. To kako einai pos den exo internet spiti mou kai den mporo na exo ta biblia panta sti diathesi mou. Tha ithela na epikentroso tin prosoxi sou sta arthra "Skopianoi" kai "Monastiri", opou oi Skopianoi orgiazoun. Den prepei na tous afisoume na allaksoun to teleutaio edit pou ekana sto Bitola (logontas taxa oti to Slaviko onoma proigeitai tou Ellinikou kai antistixes blakeies). Den prepei episis na tous afisoume na vgaloun ti leksi "Ellinomakedones" pou katafera na tin sfinoso sto arthro tous. Exo ena aggliko biblio pou legetai "Balkania" to opoio xrisimopoiei auton ton oro (opos akribos tous ton egrapsa), opote oti dikaiologia kai na poun tha einai tou aeros (lene idi kati blakeies). H idia pigi leei pos stin pragmatikotita to ethnos tous yparxei to poly edo kai 100 xronia, kai ta gnosta pou arnountai na paradextoun. Tin Bitola tin grafei mono os 'monastiri', kai kanei anafores se Ellinika xoria gyro apo to monastiri pou eksislabistikan apo tous Boulgarous (diladi Skopianous). Episis dilonei pos oi Slavoi tis Thessaslonikis den itan para mia mikri kai asymanti meionotita pou emene sto Boreiodytiko tis tmima (an thimamai kala). Oi megalyteri koinotita itan ton Ellinon ton Ebraion kai ton Tourkon, to emporio arxika itan sta xeria ton Ebraion kai meta perase stous Ellines, oi Slaboi oute louloudia den poulagan. Auta de thelo na ta balo akoma giati tha ginei panikos kai den exo kai para poly xrono sti diathesi mou. Ta kratao gia assous sto maniki. Tha bgalo merika sti fora aurio ti Deutera, mono kai mono gia na pistopoihso tin xrisi tis leksis "ellinomakedones" (sta agglika), kai tin Elliniki parousia sti Makedonia prin apo tis antallages plithismon. Miskin 17:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Bitola

Hello Hectorian, what I'm doing in the Bitola article is not based on my personal feelings or something like that, instead, I used several different historical sources. According to almost every source I found so far, Bitola as a settlement was established by the Macedonian Slavs that shifted in this area in the VI century: , . Regarding the name, it is considered that the current official name have been gradually derived from the old Slavonic word Obitel. So far, I found two different meanings for the word, the first one tells that it means a monastery, monastery place or monastery settlement and the second one tells that it means a family or house, an area of living. Very interesting fact that supports the second meaning is that the modern Serbian/Croatian word for family is Obitelj (I’m not sure for the other Slavic languages as Russian and Bulgarian):,. Maybe the truth lies (as always) in between, probably the word means a Christian/monastery community, family:. However, you can notice that this word is not directly derived from the Greek word Monastery (Obitel and Monastery as words have completely different structures). According to the Byzantium sources is was called Butela, Butelion, Botila, Botili. For that reason, I think the current design of the naming section satisfies both sides, because it provides the description of the Slavic word Obitel, as well as the fact that the Turkish, official name of the city before 1913 was Monastiri, derived from the Greek word for monastery. So, please don't revert the current version and don't broke the 3RR either. Bitola 18:49, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Aku sto arthro afto, tha sinehisume na kanume afto pu kaname alla perimene na valun frayi se kapyon pu tha tus voithisi - molis ton karfosa ;-) --Latinus 19:12, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Kanume mia orea sizitisi sti selida sizitisis tu arthiru ya to kratos tu. De tha simetashis? :-) --Latinus 19:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

True-born Greeks

If I were editing English people I would certainly include the Angles, Jutes and Saxons; I would include the Danish settlements in the North country, and the settlements of Huguenots, Flemings, and Jamaicans in relatively recent times; I would probably mention the fairly strong arguments (including Cheddar Man) for an underlying population preceeding the Landtaking - both because these things are true and because racists deny them.

I see that most of them are mentioned in the present text.

I would even link to Daniel Defoe's True-Born Englishman. Septentrionalis 19:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Ya, boris na prosehis to arthro ya tin poli monastiri. --Latinus 22:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Pia skopianika? --Latinus 23:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Slavomakedones - iparhun poli tropi na to les sti glossa tus. --Latinus 23:56, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Kita to e-mail su. --Latinus 00:27, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Hectoriane, esi tha prepi na to kanis. --Latinus 00:54, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I am reverting as resources.It says 69.There are already 6 million kurds in Turkey but here is a propaganda house. Inanna 00:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I am editing by mathematic.Sources were already given by your friend.Stop try to find silly things for slander me...Inanna 00:25, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Need some help on Turkish people. Thanks! --Khoikhoi 00:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Don't revert again on Kurdish people or you're break the three-revert rule. It says that no one can revert more than 3 times in 24 hours. Don't worry, I'll take care of it. ;) --Khoikhoi 01:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

No, you can't revert anymore on the Kurdish people page. You already reverted 3 times. Yeah, I asked you for help but it looks like you already reverted. Thanks! --Khoikhoi 01:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

The 3RR doesn't apply when you're reverting vandalism. Btw I'll reply to you're email when I can. :) --Khoikhoi 02:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Don't revert again on Bitola. --Khoikhoi 02:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I just got an admin to block the IP, so we'll see what happens next. --Khoikhoi 02:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Sure, can you rv Turkey? --Khoikhoi 02:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

It's funny, it's the same guy who used to revert Inanna's edits with me before she got a username back in December. I updated him on what has since happened. --Khoikhoi 02:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Hahaha. Yeah, I want to say something but it would probably come out as a personal attack. ;) --Khoikhoi 02:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, notice that my old user name was Hottentot. --Khoikhoi 03:14, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Please help

Hey, will you please revert the guy on the Adana page? Thanks. --Khoikhoi 19:03, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I suggested to the guy that we should mention the massacre but not include numbers for now. What do you think? --Khoikhoi 19:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Eimaste ki emeis edw

Den xreiazetai na eisai tsita sto orio tou 3rr gia to Greeks (akomh ki an einai bandalismos). Mporeis na stelneis kai kana mhnymataki...  NikoSilver   23:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Ego nomizo, esto na ine vandalismos, na min kanis pano apo tris epanafores. Afto dini stus administratores to dikeoma na se blokarun yati afti apofasizun an itan vandalismos - katalaves. Kalu kaku, as' to - tha to kani kapyos allos. --Latinus 23:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Fysika nai. Den eipa na fygoun oi Ellhnes. Na metonomastoun oi apanw, eipa (kai to ennow gia ola ta sxetika ar8ra...) Katse na doume twra poios 8a tetragwnisei ton kyklo...  NikoSilver   23:41, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Edosa ena soro piges kai autos o akatanomastos ilithios sto "Ellines" synexizei na grafei ta tou kefaliou tou. Ego prepei na fygo kai de tha mporo na ton epiblepso mexri aurio. Min ton afisete na perasei tis blakeies tou, oi piges einai sto Talk. Hectorian, aurio tha symmetasxo sti syzitisi peri Skopianon giati simera den prolabaina. Miskin 17:46, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

You've got mail too.  NikoSilver   22:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Re: Smyrni/Izmir

Turks believe an Armenian group started the fire with orders from Greek army. Also I've seen photos of Izmir after the fire, there were burnt down mosques while churches were unharmed, those churches are still in good condition and active today. This kind of action might have 3 reasons, at least the ones I can think of, 1. In front of Western powers, to make Turks look like brutal agressors, disrespectful to the city 2. To cover up the escape of Greek civilians and army, to keep Turks busy 3. Izmir was a wealthy port city, maybe when Greeks understood they lost it forever, they didn't want to leave much behind.

Of course I leave an open door for the chance of Turkish army ordering the fire, as a demonstration of power and a retribution for collaborating with the invading Greek forces. But I find burning down a city which you just took back, kind of ridicilous.--Kagan the Barbarian 21:18, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Why would Turks burn down a city in front of the eyes of everyone, just so they can rebuild it later? They could demolish buildings and rebuild the city any time they pleased, the city was theirs. As you said fire is uncontrolable, so why start something that you can't control? There were Muslim houses and mosques in the city as well. Anyway, my reasons aren't less or more logical than yours, apperantly we'll never know the truth, so it is better to leave this subject open to question and not jump to conclusions like "Turks burnt it" or "Greeks burnt it".

Greeks weren't the only Christians in Izmir, there were Levantines as well and still are today. So churches are still active.--Kagan the Barbarian 07:01, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Catholic or Orthodox, what's the difference, they are both false ;)--Kagan the Barbarian 17:16, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Hectorian User Page

Hectoria... I edited some sentence structure on your user page - hope you do not mind - just moved commas away from hugging letters. So you are sickened by Bush too? Try this user box code in place of your current one. Noles1984 22:17, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Hectorian knows Bush is an idiot and liar.

Thanks!!

Wow, thank you for helping me out! Don't forget about the Cyprus dispute page btw. :) --Khoikhoi 00:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Now I can finally relax. --Khoikhoi 00:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah man, they say that we're not neutral because we don't like having propaganda pictures on articles, hmmm... --Khoikhoi 00:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I just added the missing word. I'm glad that you respect NPOV, you're right, you could just go around adding pictures of the Armenian Genocide, but you don't. Why can't they understand what neutrality means? --Khoikhoi 00:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

I know! On the Adana page they're trying to delete a paragraph backed up by Britannica, and add another based on Turkish POV websites, such as "Tall Armenian Tale". --Khoikhoi 01:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

About the Abkhazia page, I'm not really sure. I'm not a bad writer, it's just that I'm pretty busy right now. Perhaps sometime in the future. :) --Khoikhoi 08:09, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Netherlands

Thanks, I'm glad you appreciate it. Fnorp 15:41, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh, I now notice you're Greek. Perhaps the issue is comparable to Greeks preferring "Hellas" instead of "Greece", at least so I've heard. Fnorp 15:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Vlepo kala pernas me to Skopiano filo mas ;-) --Latinus 22:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Episis, min kanis epanafora afton pu esvise tus elines - katse na to xanaalaxi o allos ke na tus xekanume ke tus duo me mya epanafora ya na min pane hamenes... --Latinus 23:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Den xero - ego tha figo tora - tha to ftyaxo ego. Ti eyine me tin Rice? --Latinus 23:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Iparhi kana link? Epsaksa sto BBC ke de vrika tipota... --Latinus 23:59, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Here we go again....

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