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NFLPA - Bringing article up to GA standards

Hey guys, I'm new to WP:NFL, but I'm planning on working on a few key articles related to this WikiProject. At the moment, my focus is bringing the NFLPA article up to GA standards. It's already a solid B-class article, but there's definitely some room for improvement, particularly in relation to the lockout. I'm currently working on a draft for the article, which can be found here. The draft should be finished within the next day, and I'll be sure to let you guys know when it's finished. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated, especially with regard to the introduction paragraphs, infobox, and lockout section. I would also like to note that I currently work in the entertainment/film/sports industry, and I am aware of Misplaced Pages's policy when it comes to conflict of interest. Because of this potential conflict of interest, I will be sure to consult the community before making any major changes. Additionally, I will be sure to conduct myself in accordance with Misplaced Pages's policy on reliable sources and neutral point of view. I'll be sure to post a similar message on the article talk page, but because this WikiProject is new to me, I thought I'd try to pull resources from a few places. Any help would be greatly appreciated, and I look forward to working with the community. --TravisBernard (talk) 21:42, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I don't think the project is particularly active, other than The Writer 2.0 and myself improving coverage of the Jets and a few others doing good work elsewhere. I will look over your edits if you want, drop me a line on my talk. Can you expand on the COI situation without outing yourself?--Wehwalt (talk) 21:54, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Rather sad this project isn't more active. I do think eventually I'll have to expand my repertoire beyond the Jets—even if it means I have to write about, of all people, Tom Brady. Anyway, I'd be more than willing to help as well if you wish. -- The Writer 2.0 23:01, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the update, and I appreciate the offer to help. I should have the draft completed by the end of the day, and I will be sure to post it here, as well as to your user page. With regard to the COI situation, I work for a company called New Media Strategies, and one of my clients is the NFLPA. Although I do have a COI, my goal is to advance Misplaced Pages as a reliable, neutral-toned, and 💕. I am mindful of Misplaced Pages's guidelines, but I do realize that there is naturally a challenge when editing articles with a COI. I feel that the best way to alleviate any bias is to seek feedback from the community before implementing edits. I want to make sure that my edits are a product of community consensus, and I by being open about my situation, I hope that my edits are appreciated. If you have any other questions about my COI, I would be happy to answer them. Thanks, and I look forward to working with you guys. --TravisBernard (talk) 19:05, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

That's definitely a COI. However, I'm an uninvolved admin with knowledge in this subject area (that is, I'm an informed fan who has read a fair number of books about the NFL and its history) and I can certainly look over your shoulder and make any necessary calls. To be blunt, if you are being upfront about things, unlike those who jump in like a bull in a china shop, that's a good sign.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:15, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Also, rather than posting to my user page (I think you mean my user TALK page, it is more usual for other users to talk there, it is where you get by clicking the "Talk" link in my signature), simply post a link. That is much preferred, given the volume that some user talk pages see.--Wehwalt (talk) 19:23, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

I finished my first draft of the article, which can be found here. Any and all feedback is greatly appreciated. Thanks again for the help, and I look forward to hearing from you. --TravisBernard (talk) 21:59, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Discussion for this has moved to the NFLPA talk page. Thanks to everyone for the help.--TravisBernard (talk) 19:10, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Pageview stats

After a recent request, I added WikiProject National Football League to the list of projects to compile monthly pageview stats for. The data is the same used by http://stats.grok.se/en/ but the program is different, and includes the aggregate views from all redirects to each page. The stats are at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject National Football League/Popular pages.

The page will be updated monthly with new data. The edits aren't marked as bot edits, so they will show up in watchlists. You can view more results, request a new project be added to the list, or request a configuration change for this project using the toolserver tool. If you have any comments or suggestions, please let me know. Thanks! Mr.Z-man 22:54, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I made one change; Heidi Game was promoted.--Wehwalt (talk) 01:55, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

MfD nomination of Portal:American football

Portal:American football, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:American football and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Portal:American football during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Buggie111 (talk) 02:46, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Carolina Panthers infobox navbox color

I propose that all the infoboxes navboxes for the Carolina Panthers should use Panther Blue as seen here:

Even though Black is listed as the "primary" color and Panther Blue as "secondary", the black boxes and white lettering give the impression that the Panthers' color scheme is monochromatic, when it definitely not the case. There is also precedent in the Cincinnati Bengals, which use orange in all their infoboxes navboxes, even though like the Panthers, their jerseys are primarily black. Richiekim (talk) 14:53, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

These are navboxes, not infoboxes, we're talking about here. :) Jweiss11 (talk) 16:59, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

National Football League Experience

Is this article notable, needing to be salvaged, or should I put it up for AfD? – Muboshgu (talk) 02:49, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

• Nominate for deletion. Not exactly promotional, but doesn't satisfy notability regardless. Jrcla2 (talk) 22:13, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Agreed, it could be handled with two paragraphs of the Super Bowl article.--Wehwalt (talk) 22:37, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

NFL first round draft picks navigational boxes

I think the peach colors should be removed from all of these navboxes. Peach has nothing to do with the NFL, and according to Misplaced Pages:Deviations#Styles and markup options, templates such as these should be left to default blue if no NFL-related colors can be agreed upon. When WikiProject NBA discussed this a while back, the conclusion was to eliminate any coloration at all (here). Both the NBA and WNBA draft templates are now default blue, and honestly I think that's how the NFL's should be, both because of policy and because American professional sports leagues should strive for consistency in cases such as this. Jrcla2 (talk) 18:34, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Oh, and this would also apply to Template:NFL (and any others of this ilk that I may have missed). Jrcla2 (talk) 18:48, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Given the lack of response and inability to reasonably justify peach as the color, I am going to be bold and set them all to default blue. It will align with NBA and WNBA draft templates, too, providing more consistency across the North American professional sports projects. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:06, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

You've got my blessing. Jweiss11 (talk) 02:27, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

I myself has always been neutral on the peach color. At one time, all four navboxes, {{NFL}}, {{MLB}}, {{NBA}} and {{NHL}}, had that peach color. I cannot remember which one had it first, but afterward all four eventually had it at one time for the "sake of consistency". As of now, {{MLB}} is the only one currently left with the peach color. Zzyzx11 (talk) 02:30, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Not anymore, I just removed peach from that one too. Jrcla2 (talk) 03:17, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Template:2009 NFL Head Coaches and Template:2010 NFL Head Coaches up for deletion

I've nominated those two templates for discussion. Please see here for the discussion. Thanks. Jrcla2 (talk) 02:39, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

**NBA head coaching navboxes discussion finally started

Hi all – The next phase in head coaching navbox standardization has come to fruition. Please visit this discussion at WT:NBA if you have any opinions on the issue. Thanks! Jrcla2 (talk) 01:22, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

Does being an "alternate" in the Pro Bowl count as being selected for the Pro Bowl?

Just came across this issue while looking at Chad Ochocinco. It says he is a 6-time pro-bowler, but in the 2009 season (2010 Pro Bowl} he was merely an alternate. I looked at several other players who were alternates in the 2010 Pro Bowl and they all said they were pro-bowlers that year. I then looked at several players who were listed as alternates for the 2011 Pro Bowl, and none of them were listed as a Pro-Bowler for that year. I assumed that alternates would not be considered Pro-Bowlers unless they actually ended up playing (due to injury/superbowl trip for a player listed ahead of them), no? I didn't check to see if all the 2009 players I looked at actually played and the 2011 players I looked at didn't play, but I looked at 3 or 4 random players each and it would have been a hell of a coincidence that it turned out that way by the luck of the draw, so I'm thinking there is an inconsistency for how this is treated between seasons. VegaDark (talk) 05:58, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

• Actually, I see now that I was getting confused with the year (the 2009 link on players' pages would go to the 2010 Pro Bowl, etc) so the 2011 Pro Bowl players are all listed as having gone to the Pro Bowl that year on their page after all. That doesn't sort the problem of if we should actually consider them pro-bowlers as merely alternates, however. The way I've always though it worked was that you are initially labeled an alternate, and if someone ahead of you can't make the Pro Bowl for whatever reason, then you are considered "in". If the players in front of you show up at the pro bowl and play and you end up not doing anything, then you are not considered a pro-bowler. Someone correct my if I am mistaken. VegaDark (talk) 06:08, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Mariposa sails from LA to Honolulu on Dec 25, 1932 with several Green Bay Packer football players

Hello,

My grandfather, Roger Grove, was a Green Bay Packer in 1932. The SS Mariposa sailed from LA to Honolulu on Dec 25, 1932. It was common practice in those days to play exhibition games in addition to their regular schedule. I have a partial passenger list obtained from ancestry.com that lists several Packers: Henry "Hank" Bruder, Lavern "Lavvie" Dilweg, Wuert Englemann, Milton "Milt" Gantenbein, Roger Grove, Arnold "Arnie" Herber, William "Clarke" Hinkle, Earl "Curly" Lambeau, John "Johnny Blood" McNally, August "Mike" Michalske.

D'Nel Grove Stucki — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.164.103.47 (talk) 20:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Brooks Reed

Hi! This user sent me an email about getting himself blocked for copyright violations. He seems like a perfectly nice guy, the father of Brooks Reed, who was simply trying to update some information about his son. I've advised him that this is probably not the best idea, due to conflict of interest issues, not to mention the copyright issues he was running into. I'm sure he'd appreciate it if some folks here at Wikiproject National Football League could take a look at the Brooks Reed article and see if it can be improved based on the information he was trying to add.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 10:01, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

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