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	:I agree completely and have . Apparently Jobs official biography directly contradicts this claim as well. It seems bizarre to me that the section in this article was signed by a contributor, as if it were a talk page contribution, and no one noticed it for several days. :( I will sound the alarm as well at ].--] (]) 21:42, 23 October 2011 (UTC)		:I agree completely and have . Apparently Jobs official biography directly contradicts this claim as well. It seems bizarre to me that the section in this article was signed by a contributor, as if it were a talk page contribution, and no one noticed it for several days. :( I will sound the alarm as well at ].--] (]) 21:42, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
	:I have now confirmed that the official biography of Steve Jobs tells the story of Dean Ornish recommending to Steve Jobs that he should have surgery. Because of the (perhaps understandable) hysteria and hype surrounding Jobs death, there are several blogs which attempt to implicate Dean Ornish in some way. ""You really need surgery" - Dean Ornish to Steve Jobs, quote from official biography--] (]) 11:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)		:I have now confirmed that the official biography of Steve Jobs tells the story of Dean Ornish recommending to Steve Jobs that he should have surgery. Because of the (perhaps understandable) hysteria and hype surrounding Jobs death, there are several blogs which attempt to implicate Dean Ornish in some way. ""You really need surgery" - Dean Ornish to Steve Jobs, quote from official biography--] (]) 11:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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I just drafted this article, and was surprised that no one had yet done so, as Dr. Ornish is well-known both among physicians and in pop culture- and a number of Misplaced Pages articles already link here. I know it's now a stub, and will expand shortly when time permits...of course I look forward to seeing others do so too.

DHeller

Try to keep the language neutral, please. If the research suggests that diet decreases risk of cardiovascular disease, then say to. Where is that research, could you add a reference? Avoid interpreting the results without providing further sources for the interpretation. Who says that Dr Ornish' approach decreases incidence of revascularisation? Ornish himself? WP:CITE is your friend. JFW | T@lk 12:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

I added a citation and explanation for the RCT that established this result. Basically, Ornish et al measured atherosclerotic progression by coronary arterial angiography. Dr. Ornish has done a number of other studies corroborating this result in the years since, which I can add later as time permits.

DHeller

In my view this doctor is pushing the limits of believability. Now he is claiming genetic alteration based on exercise and diet, allegedly to help treat prostate cancer: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080617/hl_nm/genes_lifestyle_refile_dc;_ylt=AsBklrNSpdGr3Vr8OMPmUArVJRIF I think even playing the piano might alter your genes, but the question remains: so what? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 10:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Add "Lifestyle changes" and Prostate Cancer

Dr. Dean Ornish was the principal investigator for the study "Intensive Lifestyle Changes May Affect the Progression of Prostate Cancer" published in "The Journal of Urology" (pp.1065-1070 Sept '05) I would like to write a quick summary of the research, but I'm not sure where to put it? Any suggestions?
--Thomas.vandenbroeck (talk) 07:16, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Here's the text I propose to add:

A 2005 secondary prevention study published in the Journal of Urology by Dr. Dean Ornish(footnote), showed that a year long "intensive lifestyle change" consisting of a vegan diet, aerobic exercise, stress management and weekly group therapy resulted in a 4% reduction in PSA levels with no patients having to leave the study for conventional treatment due to disease progression. In contrast, the control group for this study experienced a 6% increase in PSA levels with 6 patients having to leave the study for conventional treatment due to disease progression.

--Thomas.vandenbroeck (talk) 04:15, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Personal diet

It appears that Ornish is neither vegan nor vegetarian, as he does not advocate total abstention from animal products and promotes consumption of fish oil. Nirvana2013 (talk) 19:11, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

Section pertaining to Steve Jobs has unverifiable sources

The sources used in the section mentioning Steve Jobs supposed diet being attributed to Dean Ornish are unverifiable: The tech.fortune.com link mentions nothing about Dean Ornish that I can find and the skepticblog.com link has no verifiable proof listed in it other than a link to another one of its pages where waiters that happen to have served Jobs and Ornish together seem to be speculating, and even then, they didn't even say that they thought Ornish prescribed him a diet of any kind. This section attributing Dean Ornish with prescribing any kind of special diet to cure Jobs cancer should be removed because of lack of verifiable evidence. 99.109.177.185 (talk) 04:03, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree completely and have removed it. Apparently Jobs official biography directly contradicts this claim as well. It seems bizarre to me that the section in this article was signed by a contributor, as if it were a talk page contribution, and no one noticed it for several days. :( I will sound the alarm as well at WP:BLPN.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 21:42, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

I have now confirmed that the official biography of Steve Jobs tells the story of Dean Ornish recommending to Steve Jobs that he should have surgery. Because of the (perhaps understandable) hysteria and hype surrounding Jobs death, there are several blogs which attempt to implicate Dean Ornish in some way. ""You really need surgery" - Dean Ornish to Steve Jobs, quote from official biography--Jimbo Wales (talk) 11:29, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Another source on this topic.--Jimbo Wales (talk) 09:21, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

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