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Re: Infobox Israel municipality

Sorry, I have been away for a while and haven't been able to respond to requests or follow certain developments. While it is clear that someone completely re-made the template using the generic template, I am afraid I don't really understand the issue that you are referring to. Can you please clarify? —Ynhockey 16:10, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

OK it seems a bit complicated at first glance (haven't gone in-depth), so I will look at it on the weekend and get back to you as soon as possible. —Ynhockey 12:13, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Yasir Qadhi Controversy Section

Tell me, how did you come to notice the controversy section on Yasir Qadhi's entry? Were you lurking on IA? Because it was up for a LONG time until someone posted it on IA and then you conveniently deleted it. You're a punk bitch for deleting it, just like all of YQ's insecure, image obssessed 'house negro' Muslim followers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.86.132.73 (talk • contribs) 17:07, 31 October 2011‎ (UTC)

I do not know what "IA" is. I cant honestly say I remember for certain how I got to that article, but I *think* it had been linked in an article I was involved in editing and I clicked the link. When I did so I noticed a large controversy section without any valid sources. I do not have an opinion Qadhi, his teachings, his methods, or anything else. What I do have an opinion on is the use of Misplaced Pages to defame living people. If that makes ma a punk bitch "house negro" (and really, if youre going to go that far you can skip the formality and just use the word "nigger") then so be it. nableezy - 17:20, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

On a point of correct usage, Nab, I think 'sandnigger' is the vox propria for the kind of vituperative obloquy your inventive correspondent is searching for here.Nishidani (talk) 17:27, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I am pleased to be able to say you are wrong. The use of "house negro" by our friend above is not meant as a remark on my ethnic background, but rather on what our anonymous friend considers my apparent aim of mollifying a western audience (hah!). He sees this as evidence that I am a sell out to the "real" Muslims who, in an American slavery analogy, work the fields. He sees me as a sell out, willing to sacrifice my own kind (those left in the field) for some minor benefit of being able to work with the masters inside the house. Our friend obviously does not know me all that well, as I think this may be the first time I have been accused of paying too much attention to how a western audience would view anything at all. Ah well, cant satisfy everyone. nableezy - 17:38, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Allus willen' ta lurn, borss, I mean, bwana. I tracked you rapscallions to the page and supplied the two citations requested. I imagine this means I'll be up on A/I for stalking? Perhaps a suspension's what a chap like me needs, a month off so I can write Nuncle Nab and cash in on what looks like a fresh market for tabloid tell-all factoid fantasies in some communities over there?Nishidani (talk) 17:55, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

I can't really imagine Nableezy saying, "What's the matter boss, we sick?" -asad (talk) 22:51, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

2 left

Rechelim and Tel Rumeida are now the only articles in the Religious Israeli settlements cat missing the legality statement. Sean.hoyland - talk 13:05, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

That's so sweet of you to leave them for me to do. Yippee! nableezy - 13:19, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's because it takes time to find the historical names of the West Bank according to Peru's indigenous Amerindian people and the Spanish Empire of the 16th century. Seems unfair not to mention them in the Alon Shvut article given that 90 B'nai Moshe people made the effort to move all the way there from Trujillo, Peru. Sean.hoyland - talk 13:28, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Emergency Committee for Israel

Please mind 1RR and self-revert. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 20:48, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

My first revert was of an IP, the 1RR does not apply to that. nableezy - 20:49, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Right you are. Sorry. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 20:53, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

No worries, good looking out. nableezy - 20:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Personal Question about "Jewish Homeland"

I have NO IDEA if this is appropriate here, so if not, just ignore. I somehow stumbled into all the discussion pages concerning Golan Heights (and it's frustrating, the lack of civility therein, but I know it's contentious). I see you are fairly well spoken and I was reading the quotes on your main user page, which I generally agree with (I find it enraging and saddening that any peoples with such horrid persecution in their recent history could lift a mean finger against another)... so I was wondering if you could indulge me in answering a question regarding what I perceive as your objection to Jewish occupation of Palestinian land.

My question is regarding the concept of "homeland" I guess. It struck me when reading the quotes on your user page - they give the impression that Jewish people have come to a land and dominated its inhabitants. I don't disagree with this (I deeply object to the terrible things I think Israel perpetrates). But it seems like the quotes imply that Jews never lived in this area before, which of course is not true. I have no idea if there is any popular debate that tries to trace back as far as possible to see "who was there first", but that seems somewhat ridiculous, and I guess what I'm wondering is if the Jews do have a couple thousand year history in this area, can they not also be seen as having some legitimate ties here?

Moreover, should not any humans be welcome to settle anywhere they'd like to as long as they don't cause trouble? Of course, the "trouble" part is where Israel has gone terribly wrong, but it's probably also a lot more complex than that. If the Jews came in peace and were able to live more cooperatively with the Arabs in this area, would they be welcomed? (And certainly there must be a certain non-trivial portion of Jews who do have nothing but peaceful and friendly opinions about Arabs, as there are probably many Arabs with friendly, or cooperative, or suspicious, or prejudiced attitudes about Jews.... which must lend to the complexity of the situation).

Hmm, my question seems to have morphed and become rhetorical (sorry). I guess going back to the quotes on your user page, how do you see them contributing or not to the (misleading) idea that Jews have invaded a place that they never once belonged? Doesn't that contribute to black-and-white thinking that prevents progress toward peace?

As someone who finds Israel's actions deeply revolting (and who has a deep sympathy for the kinds of people being described in the quotes), I'm surprised to be asking you this question, but there you have it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.171.125.144 (talk) 09:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

It'll take some time to answer this, give me a few days. nableezy - 14:16, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay, I had started to reply to this, was distracted by something, and lost my work in progress. But here goes.

You write that your perception of my objection is against the Jewish occupation of Palestinian land. A correction to that is necessary, it is an objection to Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory. But that does not even encompass my objections, I object to much more than that. I object to the theft of the natives land, way of life, and their very dignity. I object to the institutionalized racism that gives European invaders rights over the natives, the ones who were forced out and the ones who were able to remain. But, that is not what you asked me about, so on to the actual question.

You write that the quotes on the user page imply that Jews never lived in this area before. I dont see how that implication is made. There may be people who claim that there is no Jewish history in Palestine, but I am not one of them. I dont think that history allows for the displacement of the natives and the theft of their land, but I dont deny that history, and I dont think any of the quotes do either.

Should any human be welcome to settle anywhere? Are you asking me how I think the world should be? Because the we have countries with governments that, hopefully, represent their people, and these governments all have immigration policies that determine who may settle where and for what purpose. The question of whether large-scale Jewish immigration to Palestine was a question for the Palestinians to determine, not the British or the Americans or anybody else. And if they decided to allow for a massive influx of Jews then God bless, but that should have been their decision to make.

Finally, you ask if the quotes contribute to black-and-white thinking that prevents progress toward peace. Ill be honest, I dont have much hope for peace, and I have not seen any progress in that area. But peace requires justice, and the injustices that the quotes speak of must be remedied before any sustainable peace can be achieved. Nobody ever talks about what is just, only what "concessions" are needed from Israel and the Palestinians. Im not looking for peace, Im looking for justice. One of my favorite Gideon Levy columns is Demands of a thief. He wrote

Israel is not being asked "to give" anything to the Palestinians; it is only being asked to return - to return their stolen land and restore their trampled self-respect, along with their fundamental human rights and humanity. This is the primary core issue, the only one worthy of the title, and no one talks about it anymore.

He doesn't go as far as I think he should, for Levy the issue is of the occupation of the world calls the Palestinian territories. Justice for those driven out of the rest of Palestine is not even on the table. nableezy - 20:41, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Pictures?

You earlier offered your help on pictures...so here I am!

Schumachers writing on Tell el Mutesellim has come online. He also writes (a little) about the vicinity, including Lajjun, (he used workers from there). In his 1908 book there are two pictures relevant to Lajjun, on p.6 and p.186 (middle picture). The last one shows the old bridge; already a picture (drawing) of it in the article. (I finally understood that "Dschisr el-leddschön" is Jisr Al-Lajjun ...in German!

Anyway, I have tried to download both of them and copy them; but end up with a quality much worse than what is on archive.org. Can you mange better? Cheers, Huldra (talk) 16:19, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

What I do is download the whole set of jp2 files via the All Files: HTTP link on archive.org (e.g. tellelmutesellim01schuuoft_jp2.zip I guess in from here in this case) and use those. Not sure whether that will work well in this case because the images seem to have some linear artifacts. The relevant files are tellelmutesellim01schuuoft_0028.jp2 and tellelmutesellim01schuuoft_0208.jp2 and they are around 2500x3500px.Sean.hoyland - talk 18:22, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

I dont think we'll be able to get a decent pic from that. The quality of the scan is the problem, not pulling it from that. I can do what I can (basically what Sean suggests), but not sure it will be much better than what you have. nableezy - 19:25, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

• • Ok, I have just finished doing what Sean suggested (I think, thanks!) see here and here. Too bad no library in my country has a copy; then I would have borrowed the book and scanned it. Cheers, Huldra (talk) 19:45, 5 November 2011 (UTC)
    • I downloaded them from commons, tried to reduce scanning artifacts a bit and re-uploaded. Sean.hoyland - talk 12:17, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
      • Thanks Sean; they do look better. Now we can only wait until someone takes a copy of the original book, and makes a nice, whole new scan ;), cheers, Huldra (talk) 08:27, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Could you take a look

at this discussion? Perhaps you know or can find the answer in zero time. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 13:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, I dont know the answer there. nableezy - 14:53, 9 November 2011 (UTC)