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Previous account was User:Off2riorob

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	If you start a discussion here on my talkpage I will likely respond on this page as I like to keep discussion complete in one location. If I feel the discussion is confrontational or attacking I reserve the right to request you to host it on your own talkpage. If I move the discussion to your talkpage please do not replace it here, I will delete it.

This user helped promote Ed Miliband to good article status.

no internet - moving house I am closing this Internet account and moving house around the 14th of January. I will be without an internet connection for a small time and unable to edit while I transfer my provider. Youreallycan (talk) 13:38, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Boomerang

Hi Rob, I'm waiting to see if people tell me to go elsewhere. You were the first person to comment and you disagreed with me. If I went straight to AN/I without someone at AN telling me to go there, it would seem that I was forumshopping on my accusation of forumshopping. It would be nice to have Tim's comment on your cloud suggestion.--Peter cohen (talk) 20:54, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Occupy UC Davis

Your recent editing history shows that you are in danger of breaking the three-revert rule - your recent edit removed content from Occupy UC Davis. When removing content, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. Viriditas (talk) 23:35, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

BLP review request

Rob, I was sorry your departure from Misplaced Pages awhile back; I didn't post anything at the time because you requested editors not do so. I'm glad you have returned.

The discussion surrounding your departure repeatedly mentioned your quality work in BLP; I've just commented on WP:WQA where I think the more significant issue may be the BLP issues. I know that you've previously commented on Melanie Phillips could you take a look and do whatever you think best? Thanks. Nobody Ent (Gerardw) 12:43, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind words Gerard. Is the Phillips thing still going on ....I will have a look. Youreallycan (talk) 15:19, 15 December 2011 (UTC) =

Thanks

Thanks so much for you words of support. I guess you must have left and come back too. I didn't I didn't really follow that at the time... Yworo (talk) 23:48, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure Yworo - happy holidays to you. Youreallycan (talk) 23:49, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

Warmest holiday wishes to both of you. This encyclopedia we work on together is really an amazing and wonderful gift to all of humanity. It is unfortunate though probably inevitable that a certain level of drama and strife follows in its wake. Let's try to keep that to a minimum. Let's also try to hit 5 million useful articles in 2012! Cullen Let's discuss it 05:23, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Well said and full support there Cullen. Happy holidays to you and yours. Youreallycan (talk) 09:51, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

RAN - new discussion

• - Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Richard Arthur Norton: Revisiting topic ban; Should it be removed or made indefinite?

Hi Youreallycan. You participated in Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Archive228#Richard Arthur Norton copyright violations, in which a one-month topic ban on creating new articles and making page moves was imposed on Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk · contribs). The closing admin has asked for community input about whether to remove the topic ban or make it indefinite at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#Richard Arthur Norton: Revisiting topic ban; Should it be removed or made indefinite?. Cunard (talk) 08:54, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you for your assistance in the Cincinatis incident. Jayjg 20:57, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Oh cool. I appreciate your efforts to keep the wiki policy compliant in those areas. Regards - Youreallycan (talk) 09:50, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

you can get reliable source for Chippenham at the GOCO official website. --Chip123456 (talk) 17:35, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

• - http://goco.coop/train/ - here? where is it on this site exactly? It would be better if we had an independent source , perhaps a local news outlet also discussing it? Youreallycan (talk) 17:42, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

If you type in go cooperative there are a number of articles about it. Thanks. --Chip123456 (talk) 17:55, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

This http://www.railpro.co.uk/magazine/?idArticles=244 or this http://swindon-labour.co.uk/tag/go-cooperative .. ? What exasctly am I looking to support the fact that it is still only a proposal? This seems like a recent one and talks about plans and planning to do if... http://www.railjournal.com/news-extra/can-social-operators-plug-the-gaps-in-the-british-network.html - this one also says, "it aims to begin operations in December 2011." - that is like now. Have the licences been granted? Youreallycan (talk) 19:05, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi they are currently looking for funding to start it and some websites also say starting in late 2013. --Chip123456 (talk) 07:43, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Request

Your snide comment on my talk page was unnecessary and immature. I'm asking politely you not do that again. --Tenebrae (talk) 06:01, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

It wasn't meant to be snide and it wasn't immature per se as I am an adult and completely mature, at least most of the time .. it was meant in good faith. I will attempt to show a little more consideration for any sensitivities. regards and Happy holidays. Youreallycan (talk) 22:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Jovi

Thanks for the heads up. I had thought that the editors adding the false death reports were unconfirmed but it appears that they're autoconfirmed. You'd think people would know. --NellieBly (talk) 23:39, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Occupy Marines non-affiliation statement

I have complied with your request to not remove that statement and have opened a new subtopic that concerns you at the article's Talk Page.

• http://en.wikipedia.org/Talk:Occupy_Marines#New_Subterfuge_re_Primary_Sources.3F

JohnValeron (talk) 03:51, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Although given the opportunity, you have failed to document the lede's second sentence with a citation that conforms to WP:VERIFY by being attributable to a reliable, published third-party source appropriate for the content in question. Until you do so, I shall again delete "Occupy Marines claims no affiliation with the United States Marine Corps, active-duty servicemembers or established U.S. veterans groups." JohnValeron (talk) 13:59, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

User contributions

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Commenting on my addition to Talk:Occupy_Marines, of which I notified you more than 3 hours ago, user Milowent points out that you joined Misplaced Pages on November 26, 2011.

Following up on this surprising tidbit, I determined from your User Contributions page (http://en.wikipedia.org/Special:Contributions/Youreallycan) that of your 1,057 edits between 21:35 26 November 2011 and 02:27 22 December 2011, 29% were on User Talk pages, 27% on other Talk pages, and 25% on various Misplaced Pages internal discussion pages, including 39 edits on Articles For Deletion, 65 on Administrators' Noticeboards, and 34 Help Desk.

Cumulatively, then, your edits to actual articles on Misplaced Pages amount to a mere 19% of your contributions, the overwhelming majority of which constitute nothing more than a busybody's meddling.

Before requesting an Admin's review of this abuse of Misplaced Pages editorship, I invite your response. JohnValeron (talk) 07:24, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Here's a response from someone else: as it says at the top of this page "Previous account was User:Off2riorob". Cumulatively then, your contributions towards a sensible discussion of what Youeallycan/OffToriorob has done in the past amount to zilch.. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:32, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

My question remains: why has user Youreallycan been so preoccupied over the past 4½ weeks with policing everyone else's work while contributing so little of actual value to Misplaced Pages's content? Is he an Admin? If not, he's a meddling busybody. JohnValeron (talk) 07:42, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Note: An editor who has 591 edits over 2 years with a total of 12 article edits per month is an odd one to be casting stones, indeed <g>. That editor seems focussed on a single article, for which an AfD was heavily CANVASSed by him, and where a significant number of !voters for "Keep" had virtually no Misplaced Pages edits at all. Does "SPA" have any meaning anymore? Collect (talk) 12:27, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

• - "And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. - Luke 2:10-11 (King James Version) - Vyom25 (talk)is wishing you a Merry Christmas.

• - thank you very much User:Vyom25 - happy holidays to you to. Good luck and best wishes to you and your family for 2012. - Youreallycan (talk) 16:39, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Have a good one. Wee Curry Monster talk 21:16, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

- Thanks a lot Wee Curry Monster - the same to you with extra glitter on. Don't let that Occupy Marines nonsense spoil your holidays. In the new year or Feb we will have a clearer picture of any additional notability or not as we shall see. Merry Xmas to you and your friends and family. - Rob - Youreallycan (talk) 21:21, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

And to you

Apologies unreservedly accepted. And seasonal best wishes to you too, whether for Christmas, Hanucah, Kwanzaa, Yule or any other festival of your choice. RolandR (talk) 16:17, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Cool - Thank you Roland. - Youreallycan (talk) 16:26, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

 Ronhjones  22:21, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

WP:POLA is now part of policy

• - Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard#WP:POLA is now part of policy - notification/discussion thread.

From the foundation - WP:POLA is now part of policy and part of Misplaced Pages:Offensive material - background , on Meta - Controversial content/Board report - Youreallycan (talk) 23:22, 29 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Rob. :) Can you please fix attribution at Misplaced Pages:POLA? Just as with articles, we can't copy content from policies or guidelines without providing a hyperlink to the source. I assume this was just an oversight, but if you don't know how to fix attribution, you're welcome to stop by my volunteer account and I'll fix you up. --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 16:41, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

That's great. Thanks, Rob! :) --Maggie Dennis (WMF) (talk) 17:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Asking for your assistance

Hello, Rob. You were helpful to me earlier this year—under your previous handle—when I ran into a stubborn editor on a project where I had a declared COI (of course that was C-SPAN) and so I wonder if you'd be willing to look at a similar situation for me now. The article is Association of Global Automakers, and I'm afraid the situation is complicated enough that I'm just going to link to my latest Talk page explanation, written for the benefit of another editor earlier today. If you are busy or would prefer not to be involved, no worries. Just thought perhaps you could be of assistance. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 00:21, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi there WWB. You appear to have ruffled the feathers of the Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Automobiles - tomorrow I will try to mediate a bit and try to understand and address their issues. Happy New Year to you dude - Youreallycan (talk) 00:34, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes—and then some. If you spend some time reading through the back-and-forth, I hope you'll agree I intended to avoid said feather-ruffling by seeking and accommodating constructive input before and after the fact—and I'm more than a little surprised at the current circumstance. I've seen orneriness at WikiProject Automobiles before, but even this has turned comical (if nothing else, Scheinwerfermann seems to be enjoying himself). Whatever you can contribute, I will appreciate, and if you decide to un-involve yourself at some point, any outside advice would be very welcome. And a very Happy New Year to you too, sir. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 08:59, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the notice about the note on Jimbo's Talk page; I've added my own comment there now. Please, don't get a 24-hour block on my account, although the questions you have asked on the Talk page are exactly right. Oddly, with the new sections Scheinwerfermann has added, I think the NPOV tag is now actually warranted—at least regarding that material—but I hope all of that can be sorted out as well. Cheers, WWB Too (talk) 23:12, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

December 2011

Here is your 3RR report. --Biker Biker (talk) 22:50, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for starting the RfC on POLA. I really should have done it myself. Hobit (talk) 23:25, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

No worries, I didn't really want to but I am stuck with it now. Happy New Year to you. Youreallycan (talk) 23:28, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

You too! Hobit (talk) 00:11, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Leo Laporte

Hi, I noticed you changed the article, but I thought we'd agreed we would eliminate the entire sentence (nothing about "Formerly of Providence ...) rather than just remove the wife and children from the sentence, but maybe we miscommunicated, and you thought I meant remove the separate sentence about having two children. Even as I write this, I'm a bit confused. My preference is not to say anything at all as to 2007 as it's not all that important where he lived in 2007 and revisit the personal stuff if and when we have reliable sources for his marital and chidlren status. That said, if you feel strongly you want to keep it as you edited it, I can live with it. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 21:25, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Trimmed as per our previous discussion - it was a while and my memory was weak - Youreallycan (talk) 21:31, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Heh, I have the same memory issue. I'll leave the article the way it is - not important enough to bother.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:41, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

ANI discussion

Hello. There is currently a discussion at ANI regarding a matter in which you have been involved. —Scheinwerfermann ·_C04:48, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Missing Word

Ack, yes, you're correct. Looking back, that's not really worded very well. What I was looking to get at was that it should be kept now, but if at some point editors decide to consolidate articles on the various Occupy movements into a smaller number of articles, the "keep" close should explictly not be used as an argument against that. I think that in, say, six months time it's fairly inevitable that that will happen, but it's really too early to do it just yet. Lankiveil 07:30, 2 January 2012 (UTC).

Done. Lankiveil 11:51, 3 January 2012 (UTC).

Pic creation

hi can you contact me my email so you can help me insert a photo thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Possltd (talk • contribs)

Hi - I replied on your talkpage. Youreallycan (talk) 14:38, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Ebikeguy (talk) 19:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Request

Hi,

Would you mind if I inserted a Wikilink into your statement about my objection to my comment on Jimbo's talk page being collapsed? I'd like to link it to my actual comment on the admins page. Alternatively, you could insert the link yourself. I think it would help shed light on my reasoning. Many thanks, Ebikeguy (talk) 22:10, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

I would prefer it if you clarified if it was you that emailed the company? I posted the section link deliberately rather than the diff because I wanted the Admins reply to be accessed. Youreallycan (talk) 22:15, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah! Okay. Don't know how I missed that link in my first reading. That's fine. As to your other request, as I stated before, I do not think doing so would be appropriate at this point. I am curious as to the reason for your request. Please explain, if you have a moment. Thanks. Ebikeguy (talk) 22:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you just actively requesting others to off wiki action against a good faith wikipedia editor or have you actually done it yourself? Be honest, did you email them? Youreallycan (talk) 22:24, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Now it appears that you wish to use such information as a stick to use in punishing any Misplaced Pages editors who have contacted this company. That is not acceptable. My position remains unchanged. Ebikeguy (talk) 22:28, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, anyone that can be identified as having contacted someones employers off wiki can and should be blocked immediately. Your position, is a refusal to be open and declare your actions - something that is the opposite of the editor you are attacking. Youreallycan (talk) 22:30, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Please link me to the Misplaced Pages rule that says "anyone that can be identified as having contacted someones employers off wiki can and should be blocked immediately." Ebikeguy (talk) 22:35, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Be open and honest, stand up for your actions and stop wiki lawyering - Did you contact his employers or not? Youreallycan (talk) 22:36, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, so now I am Wikilawyering?! I'd ask how you came to that conclusion, but you don't seem to be willing to back up any of your accusations with links to the associated rules, so I do not see much point in continuing this conversation. Cheers for now, Ebikeguy (talk) 22:39, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Colouring

Just curious. When are ya gonna turn blue (i.e. create your user-page)? GoodDay (talk) 02:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Hi GoodDay, good to see you. I am liking it red for the time being, quirky. Misplaced Pages sometimes seems like some communist collective ( http://www.communistcollective.org.uk ). Better red than dead, as they say, or used to say. Youreallycan (talk) 14:21, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Just to let you know

that I mentioned you here Misplaced Pages:Requests for comment/Shakehandsman. I hope that is okay. --Slp1 (talk) 19:29, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Well , thanks for letting me know. - Is there a second person able to certify? Unless there is the RFC will not remain listed. Youreallycan (talk) 19:35, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

"Let other editors clean up Richmond"

Problem is other editors flat-out haven't. There are articles that were created badly by an editor banned years ago that are still being cleaned up. Purplebackpack89≈≈≈≈ 02:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

It's a big wiki - there is crap all over the place, the wheels won't drop off if you back off and clean crap up in other locations. - crap is crap it doesn't matter which sector you clean it up from. Youreallycan (talk) 02:34, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I should note that I am more than willing to fix any crap located in sector R. Just ping me about it and I'll do it. In fact expanding on any kind of crap is something that I take great pleasure in. I am rarely interested in more developed articles because I like being able to do the bulk of the editing and layout and am highly loathe of disputes and edit conflicts. I have told this to you PBP before but you never take me up on the offer, all you do is nominate items I am cleaning up for deletion. It's perplexing you don't nominate "crap" that I am not editing almost at all if at all, why is that?LuciferWildCat (talk) 03:01, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Here's my opinion: Both PurpleBackPack and LuciferWildCat each have a lot to offer this encyclopedia. That being said, their interaction is exceptionally negative and counterproductive. They ought to mutually agree to stay away from each other, and each focus on improving the encyclopedia, scrupulously avoiding any interaction with each other. Cullen Let's discuss it 06:08, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Just in case...

..you didn't see it - . Btw, can you suggest anywhere to ask for help on this disambig question? -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 20:56, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. Is there a disambiguation noticeboard somewhere? Misplaced Pages talk:Disambiguation - to be honest I have lost patience, my position is - remove the editor and remove the problem. Youreallycan (talk) 21:17, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I looked for a disambig board, but I can't find one, so I'm not sure where to take it really - possibly BLPN? For now, I've asked for thoughts at Talk:Johann Hari. (And yes, I know how you feel - the constant battlefield approach is really getting very wearisome) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I was not the one who commenced the confrontational attitude...ThePowerofX never resorted to discussion, but I did. elle _{vécut heureuse} (be free) 22:05, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

You only started discussion when you were threatened with edit-warring action, and then you did it by making an attack on ThePowerofX rather than posting a non-confrontational discussion of the content - using a heading that contravenes the talk page guidelines -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:10, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

The best place to get assistance from one of the main disambig editors is WP:DPL. -Niceguyedc 22:28, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

AN/I

You appear to have been accused of a "ruthless personal attack" now - see WP:ANI -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 21:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

May qualify for the shortest duration topic in recent memory.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Not really: continuation here. Salvio 22:14, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

But you didn't undo your hat, for which you are now paying the price on your own Talk page. :-) --Bbb23 (talk) 22:19, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Lately, it's happening way too often... Seriously, however, Rob, Elle was never blocked for editing articles about Singapore. You may want to check your sources. Salvio 22:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

• - luckily I was busy on skype and missed all this - The issue Elle "resigned" the admin status for was for editing through protection on Singaporean political articles - if the other blocks are not related then fair enough - still saying that, from my experience, the user elle is unable to edit BLP articles in that sector from a NPOV position and if they are not restricted from contributing in that sector - they should be. Youreallycan (talk) 22:52, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

I spent 2 months researching Kris Herzog,

I spent 2 months researching Kris Herzog, the world he lives and works in is primarily reported on by media sources like TMZ and TMZ.com, CelebDirtyLaundry, LickAblecelebs.com, RadarOnline.com, etc.... I also included more mainstream ones like; Los Angeles CBS 2 / KCAL 9, People Magazine, US Weekly, Life and Style weekly and several others listed on my Misplaced Pages page, which combined have published over 247 stories about Herzog, his Book, My True Hollywood Story and/or his company, The Bodyguard Group over the last 4 years.

As for Independent, since over 50% of the stories on TMZ and TMZ.com do NOT show Herzog in a good light, I would say they those are as Independent as you get.

The 21 Independent and verifiable sources I list the include several national news media outlets like: Los Angeles CBS 2 / KCal 9 which have aired 2 News Anchor Sharon Tay in depth news investigations about Herzog (re Mel Gibson) for a total of over 10 minutes of air time, it was then re run nationally and internationally.

Herzog has been the central figure in over a dozen national and international news stories in just the last 4 years and that is far more than thousands of others who currently have pages on Misplaced Pages.

Herzog owns the only company in the United States that gets jobs for free for U.S. Navy SEAL team members and others.

Herzog was a key and central figure in the of the biggest news stories of 2009, 2010, 2011, Mel Gibson and Herman Cain.

Herzog's story is noteworthy and as 50% or more of the news stories I have sighted DO NOT paint him in a good light, this is clearly* NOT** self promotion, advertising or an auto biography.

• **TMZ calls him a convicted felon who likes to impersonate cops, etc....

When you Google search: 1. Kris Herzog, 2. Kristian Herzog or 3. Kris Herzog Book, you get millions of results and Herzog has a highly standing and more noteworthiness than thousands of *people that currently have Misplaced Pages pages.

• Like his contemporary Gavin De Becker. who currently has a Misplaced Pages page.

I have never met or spoken to him and only started this project to learn about Journalism and Misplaced Pages.

Amanda, NYC Student — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aad351 (talk • contribs) 04:28, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Re:Misplaced Pages:Follow_the_principle_of_least_astonishment

Re:Misplaced Pages:Follow_the_principle_of_least_astonishment

I removed this category because it was a red link Bulwersator (talk) 09:02, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Ah, yes it was. Thanks for the note. Regards. - Youreallycan (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Per your recent experience

You may be interested in this discussion on ANI. Toddst1 (talk) 23:17, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I have commented, thank you for the note. Youreallycan (talk) 23:35, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

This might be the first time you and I have agreed on anything. :) Toddst1 (talk) 23:40, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

We have had our moments, but I don't mind a bit of good faith disagreement, it's healthy (mostly). I have memories of at least one more and I will look to the future for our hat trick. In this case we are in complete agreement. I have also the idea that limited restriction will only move the problem to another sector and that ultimately a indefinite block is the likely outcome. Youreallycan (talk) 23:47, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

I suspect you are correct. Toddst1 (talk) 00:04, 8 January 2012 (UTC)