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| ::::I also noticed he's taking credit for that accounts barnstars at ]. I find that very troubling, it fits into a general pattern (which I have discussed with him several times to no avail) of trying to look ready for RFA without actually having the real experience and knowledge needed to pass. ] (]) 00:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC) | ::::I also noticed he's taking credit for that accounts barnstars at ]. I find that very troubling, it fits into a general pattern (which I have discussed with him several times to no avail) of trying to look ready for RFA without actually having the real experience and knowledge needed to pass. ] (]) 00:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC) | ||
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Could you take that image down, as it doesn't tend to encourage rational, reasoned discussion and instead only seems to serve to activate emotional triggers? The discussion was going rather well, and I'd hate to see it degrade. Thanks a bunch! --Jayron32 05:03, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- I should think it demonstrates rather neatly the point that even among Christians there is significant disagreement on this subject. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:06, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, see the point I was going for was that you could make that point without posting that picture directly. As I said, the issue is that a picture like that doesn't help advance the discussion in helpful ways, it tends to cause people to react emotionally rather than rationally, and that's never good. It is always wise to consider the likely result of any action. --Jayron32 05:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- If an actual problem as opposed to an imaginary one becomes apparent I'd be happy to remove it. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:16, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yeah, see the point I was going for was that you could make that point without posting that picture directly. As I said, the issue is that a picture like that doesn't help advance the discussion in helpful ways, it tends to cause people to react emotionally rather than rationally, and that's never good. It is always wise to consider the likely result of any action. --Jayron32 05:09, 30 December 2011 (UTC)
how email works
Excuse me Beeblebrox, but what is your email address? Alternately, where is the appropriate place to follow up on: http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages:Articles_for_deletion/Rafal_Heydel-Mankoo&action=history and your request to be consulted about your decision to blank that page, and the 2nd nomination for removal of that page? Thank you Vancouveriensis (talk) 05:15, 31 December 2011 (UTC)vancouveriensis
- I generally prefer to discuss matters transparently, here on my taalk page. However, if you feel this must be do so by email you can use the "email this user" link in the toolbar on the left hand side of this page. Beeblebrox (talk) 05:36, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. I find no such link where you have indicated. Which heading does it fall under? Vancouveriensis (talk) 00:12, 1 January 2012 (UTC)vancouveriensis
- It's in the "toolbox" section, you may have to pop it open to see all the options. The short answer to why I blanked those AFDs is that they contained statements, some from you, that dispariged a living person. It does not affect or alter the actual outcome, as the tag indicates it is merely a courtesy gesture so that those dispariging, possibly false statements do not show up in search engines. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:17, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thank you for that tip about the whereabouts of the email function. It's unfortunate that it has been made so obscure. A lot of the meta aspects of wikipedia are a tad time consuming to find and follow, but no matter. As to the point you make about disparagement, I do not believe that I have made any unverifiable remarks about the biographee. Indeed I pointed out the place (now deleted) where he had altered my corrective edits falsifying my work and thereby trying to cover himself after he had already contributed false and misleading details to the page. Blanking as a courtesy serves to obscure, and in effect reward the behaviour of a falsifier and manipulator of wikipedia content who by his own admission viewed the page as being an extension of his career-furthering efforts. In effect it extends a courtesy to someone who has broken some of wikipedia's fundamental rules, and is a very curious way in which to treat a wiki vandal. Ironically, on your talk page you have placed opinion about me of the same kind that you state you are protecting Rafal Heydel-Mankoo from. This is hardly an even-handed approach. It is no easy task to protect wikipedia from a clever manipulator and to cloak his actions effectively aids and abets his activities here and possibly elsewhere. All statements that I made in my comments in the debate and on the former "discuss this page" section of the article on RHM were derived from my interactions with the biographee by email or telephone. I have too high a regard for the role of wikipedia to engage in falsification or unwarranted comment about entries. I think that my standing can be verified if you consult my user page and history of edits, nominations to perform additional roles, and so forth. The same could not be said about the biographee who chose to shape the entry concerning him with so little regard for relevance, merit, fact, and veracity that it was eventually deleted by you. I trust I have stated my case for not doing wikipedia and its world-wide readership the discourtesy of blanking either of the two deletion discussions re the former wikipedia entry Rafal Heydel-Mankoo. Vancouveriensis (talk) 00:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)vancouveriensis
- It's in the "toolbox" section, you may have to pop it open to see all the options. The short answer to why I blanked those AFDs is that they contained statements, some from you, that dispariged a living person. It does not affect or alter the actual outcome, as the tag indicates it is merely a courtesy gesture so that those dispariging, possibly false statements do not show up in search engines. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:17, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Since you have seen fit to reveal that you know this person and have contacted them in the real world, perhaps you would care to elaborate on how well the two of you are getting along? Is it perhaps possible that you had an unpleasant falling out and that it has clouded your judgement in this matter? Is it perhaps possible that some of the remarks you made reflect unproven assumptions of bad faith on his part? As you yourself suggested, the errors over his exact title could just as easily have been caused by lazy journalism as by deliberate deception from his end. The article was deleted, you got what you wanted. There's no need to parade around accusations about him and it is clear you have a WP:COI issue here. I suggest you let the matter drop. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:08, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- If you are going to take the moral high ground Beeblebrox, you ought to be certain of your facts first. I have no unproven assumptions of bad faith on his part. They are, alas, proven. The errors of lazy journalism you mention were made all the easier by Rafal Heydel-Mankoo's false statements on the wikipedia page concerning him and elsewhere. I am not parading accusations about him here or elsewhere, I am stating fact. I no more have a WP:COI issue about him than you do about me, I trust. If I let the matter drop, it won't be because you have suggested I do so, or because I feel embarassed about what I have written - I am not - but rather because I recognise that it is pointless to engage in any further discussion with you on this topic here. I genuinely came here to engage in a sincere discussion with you at what I took to be your invitation. As we are at loggerheads about the matter, and you have chosen to engage in such tactics of disparagement as are indicated in the essay you invited me (and others) to read, then I expect that we have arrived at an impasse. I wonder if you would do me the courtesy of indicating to me the next step in taking this matter up the line as it were in the adjudication process? Thank you. Vancouveriensis (talk) 01:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC)vancouveriensis
- It seems like these two entirely separate issues have been conflated in your remarks. If you want to contest the courtesy blanking, I guess WP:AN would be the place for that. Other administrators and users can then comment and a consensus can be formed. If you want to continue arguing semantics about whether you were invited to readn comment on my essay, I don't think there is anywhere on-wiki for you to do that, but it certainly isn't here. Beeblebrox (talk)
- Not conflating necessarily; just drawing parallels. And I thank you for the tip about where this matter can be taken further. As to the second matter, I guess that is fortunate for you, eh? Vancouveriensis (talk) 01:49, 1 January 2012 (UTC)vancouveriensis
- It seems like these two entirely separate issues have been conflated in your remarks. If you want to contest the courtesy blanking, I guess WP:AN would be the place for that. Other administrators and users can then comment and a consensus can be formed. If you want to continue arguing semantics about whether you were invited to readn comment on my essay, I don't think there is anywhere on-wiki for you to do that, but it certainly isn't here. Beeblebrox (talk)
- If you are going to take the moral high ground Beeblebrox, you ought to be certain of your facts first. I have no unproven assumptions of bad faith on his part. They are, alas, proven. The errors of lazy journalism you mention were made all the easier by Rafal Heydel-Mankoo's false statements on the wikipedia page concerning him and elsewhere. I am not parading accusations about him here or elsewhere, I am stating fact. I no more have a WP:COI issue about him than you do about me, I trust. If I let the matter drop, it won't be because you have suggested I do so, or because I feel embarassed about what I have written - I am not - but rather because I recognise that it is pointless to engage in any further discussion with you on this topic here. I genuinely came here to engage in a sincere discussion with you at what I took to be your invitation. As we are at loggerheads about the matter, and you have chosen to engage in such tactics of disparagement as are indicated in the essay you invited me (and others) to read, then I expect that we have arrived at an impasse. I wonder if you would do me the courtesy of indicating to me the next step in taking this matter up the line as it were in the adjudication process? Thank you. Vancouveriensis (talk) 01:38, 1 January 2012 (UTC)vancouveriensis
- Thank you for your reply. I find no such link where you have indicated. Which heading does it fall under? Vancouveriensis (talk) 00:12, 1 January 2012 (UTC)vancouveriensis
post script to the recent fracas here
I'm not askiing for feedback and I certainly don't feel like reopening the discussion, but if anyone is still watching here, feel free to peruse this essay I have just written about why I did what I did. That's all, I'd like to stress once again that I am not interested in reopening discussion of those events as the matter is now settled, just collecting my thoughts should something like that happen again. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:50, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Like the title :-) It doesn't seem too unreasonable to me -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 00:58, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hope you don't mind me making a couple minor spelling fixes. AQFK (talk) 01:26, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Not at all. I've just recently started editing using an iPad, and I am having some issues with how the spellchecker works in ipad version of my browser. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Sometimes I wish it were appropriate to say fuck off after the first bullet point in your essay. /ƒETCHCOMMS/ 03:11, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Not at all. I've just recently started editing using an iPad, and I am having some issues with how the spellchecker works in ipad version of my browser. Beeblebrox (talk) 01:33, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hope you don't mind me making a couple minor spelling fixes. AQFK (talk) 01:26, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
Your talk page header
Hi Beeblebrox, I've copyedited your talk page header. I just hate the phrase "in order"; it's almost always redundant. Hope you don't mind. Graham87 15:40, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- Uh, actuallly in this case I kind of do mind. you changing my words to suit your personal taste. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:53, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
- OK, fair enough. Graham87 04:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Looking for assistance/advice
As you're the admin who dealt with User:Nbaka is a joke last year, I was wondering if you could opine regarding a remarkably similarly named user. I'm not quite sure what to make of it; their assurances on their face seem reasonable, but something just doesn't sit right with me. Your thoughts/comments would be appreciated. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:47, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Thanks for bringing this to my attention, I have commented at their talk page. Note also that the block issued was a hard block and they are therefore also in violation of WP:EVADE . Beeblebrox (talk) 03:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- And now I've revoked their talk page and referred them to WP:BASC. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- Just noticed something else here. Look at this . He refers to having been blocked by an admin who was later "dismissed for administrator abuse." I am the only one to have issues any blocks to the original account and that description obviously does not fit me. Either he was mistaken or there is a third already blocked account out there. Not sure it makes a big difference since it is apparently already blocked and the type of behavior this user has been exhibiting will get them blocked again whether we know it is them or not, but it's worth keeping in mind if you are watching the articles they tend to edit, may help in catching the next sock. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'll keep an eye out for them; their editing is pretty easy to pick out, as it isn't even trying to be neutral. Hopefully this will be the last of them, but somehow I suspect not. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 01:27, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- Just noticed something else here. Look at this . He refers to having been blocked by an admin who was later "dismissed for administrator abuse." I am the only one to have issues any blocks to the original account and that description obviously does not fit me. Either he was mistaken or there is a third already blocked account out there. Not sure it makes a big difference since it is apparently already blocked and the type of behavior this user has been exhibiting will get them blocked again whether we know it is them or not, but it's worth keeping in mind if you are watching the articles they tend to edit, may help in catching the next sock. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:29, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
- And now I've revoked their talk page and referred them to WP:BASC. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:59, 2 January 2012 (UTC)
Oops.....
Sorry bout that, I put that warning notice on that user talk page and I guess I missed the block notice. Sorry. Dbrodbeck (talk) 02:34, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
- No big deal. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:38, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
Thx
Like Killiondude (talk) 06:01, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
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Deletion of European Robotics Research Network
Hi! I noticed that you have deleted the article on the European Robotics Research Network Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/European Robotics Research Network, with "Non-notable network" as a summary. I am very surprised that you have the knowledge to judge this. About all academic robot research groups in Europe are member of the network (there are 235 of them, as of today), and the network is very active, as you could judge from, for example, its mailing list at <https://lists.iais.fraunhofer.de/sympa/info/euron-dist>. it is very normal that you won't find citations or references to the network in the literature, but that does not mean it is "non notable". I kindly ask you to revert your decision.Bruyninc (talk) 09:37, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- Hi, Bruyninc. You don't need citations as such, but there has to be references. The original article had no structure. It was asking for deletion. Nevertheless your organisation is definitely notable. The things that tell me it is notable are what have to go in the article. It was deleted last August, why are you now taking up the issue? Are you a member of the organisation? If you stick around and provide us with information and if I can get anyone else interested then I think we can bring the article back. I am a very minor wikipedian myself so I will need help. Robotics1 (talk) 21:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, you seem to misunderstand how deletion discussions work. I merely closed the discussion and performed the deletion reflecting the consensus established at the discussion, I did not participate in the debate itself and do not claim in any way to be an expert on the subject. As is almost always the case, the reason for the deletion was that it did not meet Misplaced Pages's definition of a notable subject as it had not received significant coverage from reliable sources. Another user requested that I userfy the deleted article for them because they hoped to improve it to get it over that hurdle. It is located at User:Chaosdruid/European Robotics Research Network. It looks like he has failed to make any edits to it whatsoever in the intervening four and a half months since I did that for him, maybe the two of you can work together to find the appropriate resources to bring it up to our minimum standards. You can contact that user at User talk:Chaosdruid. Beeblebrox (talk) 17:00, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- Ok, I understand your comment, so I will "complain" with User talk:Chaosdruid. The whole story does leave a very bad impression with me, about the super-powers that some wikipedians get and abuse.... So be it! Probably the new "Rate this page" feature can improve this situation... Bruyninc (talk) 13:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- If I may come in here. I normally just look after my little corner of wikipedia but Bruyninc accused me of being instrumental in the deletion of this article. Actually I had never heard of the article or organisation before. So I did some looking around and I suspect a mistake may have been made. This organisation has more than 50 pages of listings on Google, they have over 200 academic institutes as members, no end of PhD members, many afiliations. They are mentioned in several news articles all over the world. Comparing what I have found with WP:GNG I would say this organisation is definitely notable. What have I missed? Robotics1 (talk) 19:48, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- I would again repeat that my only role here was interpreting the consensus at the deletion debate and taking the appropriate action. I don't really have an opinion or any interest in the actual article subject. If the case for notability is so strong, the three of you should easily be able to bring the current userspace draft up to snuff and move it back to article space, just make sure you fix up the article using all those references before moving it back to article space or it could be speedy deleted per this criterion. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:58, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- My mistake and I apologize. And I agree with your suggestion. Looking at the article I can see the problem but shouldn't be hard. Robotics1 (talk) 21:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
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Confused wiki communication
Hi Beeblebrox. I do from time to time get myself in knots in misinterpreting other's remarks. I try to make make a habit of it. Where was the place in the last few weeks that I seemed to be misunderstanding your remarks? --SmokeyJoe (talk) 11:34, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- It was at Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Government. Your initial remark seemed not to acknowledge several important facts explained in my nomination. We worked it out though. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:49, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, it took me a little time to get up to speed with what was going on there, and what exactly needed to be done. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:37, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
About MUA2 DLC this year
I got an info from Marvelmods:
venom64: I was looking on PSN for the shuma gorath dlc for UMVC3 when i saw
Marvel; Ultimate Alliance 2 Character & Stage Pack for £7.99 i think it was juggerenaut was also there for £4.99
Cant Wait to get MUA2 ans some PSN Cards
Happy Gaming & A New Year
Is it true already re-released again this year? Does it mean Activision renewed their Marvel license just liked Capcom does? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottKazama (talk • contribs) 14:59, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- I don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. I think you have mistaken me for someone else. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:07, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Delete revision history
Hello! Today I was editing a page on Misplaced Pages. I closed the browsers window as usual and then opened it again when I felt like to edit the page again. When I was done I checked the revision history of that page and I could see an Ip-adress, my Ip-adress, I werent logged in the second time! I have been searching and reading all around wikipedia, how to delete revision history on an article because I dont want my Ip visible when I have an account. It seems that admins have a tool for this and could you help me with this, please? Best regards EN — Preceding unsigned comment added by Expertnature (talk • contribs) 19:31, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Well, the absolute worst way to go about getting that done would be to post all over Misplaced Pages about it, see Streisand effect. I would be one of a few dozen users here can WP:OVERSIGHT those edits so nobody ever sees your ip, but I don't see the point in this case since you haven't edited an article while logged in the past two years. Nobody would be able to make the connection. However, if you follow the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Requests for oversight it can be dealt with quietly and confidentially, with no clue on-wiki as to what has transpired. Beeblebrox (talk) 19:46, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the answer, and this concern my swedish wikipedia, its more evidence on the english verision. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Expertnature (talk • contribs) 20:15, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Then you need to contact someone on the Swedish Misplaced Pages, nobody here an do anything about that. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:20, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Ok, so I find someone who i capeable of doing that, Is there another way to solve this, could I do anything by myself? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Expertnature (talk • contribs) 20:27, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Like I said, nobody here can do anything about such affairs on another project. You will have to ask somebody over there. I don't speak Swedish but this appearsd to be the relevant page. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:35, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Your recent create protections
You do know that it's rather useless to salt them, when we know all he's going to do is get around it by either changing the case or a couple little letters. --MuZemike 23:33, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, probably. I figured it was worth a try and does no harm. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- I just saw that you have now blocked him. Feel free to remove the protections if you want. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:40, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yeah, probably. I figured it was worth a try and does no harm. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:36, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Katarighe
On his/her talk page, Katarighe (talk · contribs) lists vanished account S0aasdf2sf (talk · contribs) (TechOutsider) as a previous account. There is a significant disparity between the two accounts' proficiency in the English language. Compare , , and with , , and . What are your thoughts on this? Goodvac (talk) 22:23, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- I think the same thing you think, that it is highly unlikely to be the same person. Up until now I was worried about this user as someone acting in good faith but just a little confused, but this revelation changes the math on that calculation. And of course in the unlikely event that he is telling the truth it would be a flagrant abuse of the right to vanish. How do you think we should proceed here? I haven't had much luck communicating directly with him but I'm not sure it's time to go to the drama boards just yet.. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:44, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Here's a thought: User:TechOutsider/Sandbox, now deleted, was edited over 300 times by that user. Surely if that was him he would know what used to be there, and I or any other admin can verify what was there. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:53, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, that'd be a good way to verify whether he once operated that account.
I think we should notify him of this discussion, with an invitation to engage. If he provides unsatisfactory responses and explanations, that would be the time to escalate this to a noticeboard for wider community input.
Nota bene: Katarighe has even copied TechOutsider's talk page archives into his own: see the letter-sorted archives at User talk:Katarighe/Archive Index. Goodvac (talk) 00:48, 8 January 2012 (UTC)- I also noticed he's taking credit for that accounts barnstars at User:Katarighe/Awards. I find that very troubling, it fits into a general pattern (which I have discussed with him several times to no avail) of trying to look ready for RFA without actually having the real experience and knowledge needed to pass. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- I've pinged his talk page and pointed him to this discussion. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- I think my interest was computer-related. I was now retired this account. Katarighe (Talk · Contributions · E-mail) 00:59, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- I've pinged his talk page and pointed him to this discussion. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:58, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- I also noticed he's taking credit for that accounts barnstars at User:Katarighe/Awards. I find that very troubling, it fits into a general pattern (which I have discussed with him several times to no avail) of trying to look ready for RFA without actually having the real experience and knowledge needed to pass. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:53, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, that'd be a good way to verify whether he once operated that account.
- Here's a thought: User:TechOutsider/Sandbox, now deleted, was edited over 300 times by that user. Surely if that was him he would know what used to be there, and I or any other admin can verify what was there. Beeblebrox (talk) 23:53, 7 January 2012 (UTC)