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Greek Propaganda

• A complete outline on Greek propaganda efforts around the world implying that "Macedonia is Greek"

• A definition of a Gerkoman (Macedonian for "Greek-wanna-be", people who betrayed their real identity)

• A Greek racist group; most of its members are "Greek-wanna-be's" like Vlachs, Ponitc Refugees, Arvanites (Albanian speaking Serbs)

• Some Greek guy claiming that his lies are the "Truth" about Macedonia

• Oliver Stone's movie "Alexander" follows the Greek propagandic ideas implying that Alexander the Great was Greek, and Homosexual

You changed one of my entries on the grounds that it was a "Greek POV". I am concerned that what you object to is not POVs but what you think is its 'Greek' aspect. You probably never deleated something for being a 'RoM POV', or an 'English POV', ow whatever... Your contributions are no doubt usefull, but you may be better off sticking to the discussion pages.Politis 12:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

According to Greeks:

• I am a "Slavophone Greek, Slav, FYROMian, Bulgarian, or Skopjan, my native land is FYROM or Skopje Land, and I speak Slavic, Bulgarian, Skopjian, or FYROMian" (I know what you're thinking... but don't forget, its Greeks we're talking about here :-)

The Greek way of making history...

Help

Hello Macedonia, how've you been? I just checked Vlatko's talk page to see if there were any updates concerning the little project he proposed. I'm glad to here you're eager to help :) You can also have a look at my talk page and see the original idea proposal ... I too am very eager to get started on this; do you think it would be wise to get the assistance of an administrator (or two)? As I said before, I'm very eager to discuss this - can we agree on a place to meet and discuss the idea? And another thing ... I think the more involved the better, so maybe we should inform the other Macedonian users (Bomac, FlavrSavr, Macedonian etc.)

Daniel Tanevski 02:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Daniel Tanevski, I see you're very eager to start this project :) But now, we must start asking ourselves the basics like what kind of articles will this portal hold? About everything Macedonia related or only choose out the important topics? Will all of these articles be rewritten or directly from the english wikipedia? And how big is the threat of vandalism from other users, as you can see, my user page has been vandalised nearly 10 times by other users. So has the user pages of Bomac and Flavrsal. Now about asking the administrators for assisitence, I think we should only ask them when we went everywhere else and we have no one else to ask,in other words only when it is necessary we will ask their help. Now I see Bomac has insisted that we do "Portal: Macedonia". I saw the portal for other countries like Bosnia & Hercegovina, but our portal should not be like that, I mean, not only on the country the Republic of Macedonia. Our portal should be on the whole region of Macedonia including Aegean, Pirin, and the parts of eastern Albania, hence "Portal: Macedonia". Here from you soon, Macedonia

Expression of "Macedonian attitude"?

User:Macedonia, here are some things that I would like you to consider. First, it is more important to work well with other editors than it is to get the article correct right away. Also, administrators largely do not "allow" edits or disallow them; we may express our opinions as editors, or we may perform admin functions like blocking or page-protection, but we don't really control content. You have gotten quite good at providing sources (well, in many cases, the same source) for your editing, and that is good. Other editors may question whether the source is reliable, and you need to be open to having those conversations; repeatedly if necessary.

It seems to me that you have a tendency to take an uncompromising view of the accuracy of your sources. Look at the following three sentences:

• The Greek government oppresses its Slavic-speaking population
• According to Human Rights Watch, "fifty-five interviewees in small northern Greek settlements felt unable to express their identity as ethnic Macedonians"
• ---nothing at all because the sentence has been reverted---

Which of the above is more carefully referenced? Which is more neutral? Which is more encyclopedic?

Finally, even if your article editing was always exemplary, consider how you collaborate with other editors. Above you accuse another user of being a racist for warning you about WP:3RR. Your userpage calls for a military invasion of Greece by the Republic of Macedonia. It is very important that Misplaced Pages represents fairly the differing major views on the subject, but it may be hard for other editors to give you the benefit of the doubt that your editing is devoted to that goal.

As always, if you have concerns about particular articles, you can bring them up on their Talk pages, and if you'd like any further input from me, you should feel free to let me know. Jkelly 18:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

User:FunkyFly and the hydra :-)

Hey, I see you've confronted with FunkyFly too :-) Don't worry my friend, he has on his watchlist all articles related to Macedonia (I have confronted him many times), where he "proudly" edits without sources that Macedonians are Bulgarians and similar funny stuff... I'm sure that those anon. editors are FunkyFly actually. Remember: He only bluffs, and has no sources. Regards, Bomac 01:56, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh, the ignorance :) FunkyFly 05:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Remember - bluffing. (See, told ya 'bout his watchlist :-)) Bomac 12:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

The newest Macedonian tomb

Yes, I've red about it in the newspapers here in Macedonia. But there were no informations or news about it on Macedonian television programmes.

Yes, I agree with what you say - foreigners to examine the tomb, but they must be honest ones (you know - without corruption or similar stuff, caus Greeks are ready for everything, as the history tells us :-). Regards, Bomac 22:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Портал

Здраво! Тукушто го креирав порталот Macedonia, па се надевам на твоја поддршка околу уредувањето и бранењето на страницата! Поздрав Bitola 12:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

3RR

Please do not keep undoing other people's edits without discussing them first. This is considered impolite and unproductive. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Kafziel 04:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

What ya' doin'?

Hello Macedonia! How do you like portal Macedonia? Bomac 11:38, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, Macedonia. About the Vergina Sun - I think that we should not put it there (maybe sometimes in the selected article section, with a description of it?), caus in that way we may cause unnecessary edit wars and stuff. Let's focus on presenting the natural, cultural and many other benefits that Macedonia has. Or informations about the Macedonian diaspora. So far, so good - the today's Macedonia flag is enough. Bomac 11:01, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Olive branch

Hi, as you've probably noticed, we've all got into this endless cycle of verbal jabs on talk pages. Take an olive branch of peace and let's stop worrying about these mysterious ancient Macedonians. There is more recent history to discuss, such as the presumed pan Balkan Alliance against the Ottomans First Balkan War - obviously, we can co-operate --Latinus 11:58, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I thought that u had accepted Latinus' Olive branch.i am ready to offer u an olive branch too,but pls,do not push it further...1 million 'macedonians' in greece is far to large number and has nothing to do with the truth...--Hectorian 23:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

i discriminate noone!the fair thing is an encyclopedia to include different sources by all sides,as far as they are based in reliability and neutrality.pls,revert it yourself...do not make me do it again.for the sake of good faith and olive branch,do not start a new edit-war...--Hectorian 23:34, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

noone asked u to stop editing articles.what i am saying is that u are misleading here by providing an unreliable and nationalistic source.Greek macedonia has about 2.5 million people...by saying that 1 million of them are 'macedonians',u mean that the only greeks in the region are more or less the descentants of refugees from asia minor,and so that there was no greek there prior to 1923.it is obviously false,this is why i am asking u to revert it.in the same sense,there are sources claiming 250000 aromanians in FYROM and other sources that talk about 1.3 million bulgarians...do not force people edit unreliable sources to the Republic of Macedonia article.this is what i meant by saying 'do not start a new edit-war...'.--Hectorian 23:45, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I am talking about the descendants of the refugees.they are about 1 million now.and many greeks came from other parts too,and also many macedonians greeks went to other parts of greeks as well.what i am saying here is that 1 mil 'macedonians' is by far a large number,unacceptable by any neutral source,and it drifts in the 'nationalistic sources' category,as do the sources refering to 1.3 mil bulgarians in your country.i have watching u today editing the article many times,and rising the numbers each time.but i guess u pushed it far...that's why i ask u to change it.--Hectorian 00:05, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

if u think that your source is 'reliable',while the others are not,i will give u sources of the same reliability-for example,censa from the ottoman period that list all the slavic population of the region as 'bulgarians' or 'serbians',and that 'macedonians' appeared much later.if u have ever been here,u would have undestoond yourself how ridiculous this claim is.i really do not wanna drive myself and u in a confict,but u are not giving me many choices...--Hectorian 00:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

okay then!so,i guess u wouldn't mind me editting that in the Republic of Macedonia are more than 100000 aromanians according to their associations' estimates and according to the council of europe and the British Helsinki Human Rights Group.here's the source .that's the only minority that i had the time to search at the present...But this,really seems to me like an edit-war.cause we all can find sources like that,considered reliable or'reliable'.--Hectorian 00:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

i may was wrong...i just do not think that we should feed the nationalists(cause the term activists is not a really suitable one).anyway...dispute has ended and i hope u accepted my olive branch too:)see u!--Hectorian 00:40, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Macedonia is Greece!Not Bulgaristan

Invitation from the central revolutionary commitee to all Bulgars in Skopje.... http://img24.exs.cx/img24/7216/Invitation1893.jpg

VMRO stamp in Bulgarian language.......... http://img24.exs.cx/img24/6279/Svobodailismyrtpechat.jpg

The Bulgarian society in Skopje 1870 : http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/4454/skopie18701nx.jpg

Bulgarian municipality - Prilep http://img47.exs.cx/img47/9107/balgarska_Obshtina_v_prilep.jpg

Vergina 08:13, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Vergina, these are really great stamps, can you provide some more information about them? Who used them? But I do not understand your Bulgaristan reference. It might be more relevant if you researched the names of the Greek authors after the fall of Constantinople who defined themselves as Makedonas, or Makedonios. Nothing beats fact. (PS. such reference to a friendly country might be misinterpreted by our Bulgarian friends).Politis 13:30, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

RFAR

I filed a request for arbitration for the naming conventions of the Macedonia related articles: Misplaced Pages:RFAR#Macedonia_naming_dispute. I have listed you as a party involved. Bitola 14:39, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Map

Yes, the map is quite good, it represents the number of Macedonians in the whole region of Macedonia. Bomac 13:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi

Please see Misplaced Pages:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Macedonia if you can. --Bitola 15:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Republic of Macedonia in the Article Improvement Drive

Hey Macedonia, I recently nominated the Republic of Macedonia article as a candidate for the Article Improvement Drive. The drive is a great way to get articles up to Featured Article Status. I hope you will take the time to visit the AID and vote for Republic of Macedonia! Below is the comment I wrote when I nominated the article. --Caponer 03:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

"The Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia makes an excellent candidate for the Article Improvement Drive because it is very close to reaching featured article status in both content and layout. I feel as if we should always be focusing on articles that only require minor adjustments and additions in the AID instead of those that need complete and total reworking, and this is one that will only require a week to make the small adjustments required. Macedonia deserves a spotlight since it is poised to become a member state of the European Union and is a state that we will be hearing much more about in the news in the years to come. Its location adjacent to Albania and Kosovo will also make it a player in the upcoming debate over Kosovo's independence movement. I just feel it will be a fabulous choice and I hope you will think so, too. --Caponer 17:40, 2 March 2006 (UTC)"

Vlatko

Zdravo,bi te zamolil ako mozes i sakas da pocneme da pisuvame posebna statija vo vikipedijava za genocidot na makedoncite vo makedonija,koj bi gi opfatil site periodi posle mladoturskata revolucija i vremeto na balkanskite vojni, Makedonskiot front za vreme na prvata svetska vojna, proteruvanjeto na makedoncite od egejska ,povtornoto negiranje na Makedonija vo bugarija od stana na Todor Zivkov.... i se sto e povrzano so promenata na makedonskata etnicka karta do den denesen.... Pisi kaj mene.Jas inaku sum zafaten so fakultetot poveke, no se naoga vreme :) Pozdrav

Comments

Without prejudice, I'd like you to reply to my post on Talk:Macedonians (ethnic group). I'm warning you, don't revert again or you'll be blocked for violating the 3RR. I want us to come up with a stable, least offensive as possible and NPOV and verifiable article - do you think it'd be possible to participate in making one of those. Thanks. --Latinus 17:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

u have already violated the 3RR...if u revert it be sure that i will have to report u...--Hectorian 02:01, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

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Здраво

Нов сум ама многу брзо го сватив тоа што ми го напомена :) За жал работите стојат така, но само стрпливост ни треба и ќе успееме. Приметив дека има и некои Македонци кои ги копираат грците и забегуваат во крајности. Би апелирал до тебе да се обидеме да не губиме нерви и секогаш да бидеме што поубедливи во очите на неутралните, наместо да си го губиме времето во препукување со грците околу тоа што нив им се врти во главите. Кога сум веќе на оваа теме, знаеш ли да ми кажеш има ли некои модератори кои се задолжени за контрола на страницата "Macedonians" и другите за нас важни статии. Или некој друг вид на авторитет, затоа што би сакал да им изложам некои факти. За крај (бидејки спомна дека има такви кои разбираат македонски) ако има нешто што сакаш да ми кажеш а не сакаш секој да знае пиши на nema_vrska(at)yahoo(dot)com ; Голем поздрав! --Realek 18:05, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Ти не знаиш ли че потребител Македония не говори Славомакедонски? --Латинец 18:16, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Kе ти велам уште еднаш Latinus, Македонски е мојот мајчин јазик. Aма имам едно нешто да те прашам, от дека знаиш да зборуваш овој (погоре) јазик ? Дa не си некој ГРКОМАН ;-) Macedonia 00:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Не му замерај. Тоа е стар грчки обичај и традиција да се збори во име на други (и притоа да се лаже нормално). Така и вчера збореа во име на корисникот Vlatkoto, демек само што не се побугарчил хехе. И така си зборат во името на сите нас дека не сме Македонци туку Бугари и којзнае уште што. Тие знаат подобро од нас нели ;) Само кога веќе толку знаат, како уште не им е јасно дека ја изгубија битката за името :-) --Realek 00:52, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Ако разбире това без помощ от неговата мама, ще приписвам на "ПЈРМ" както "Македония" :-) --Latinus 01:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Той не може да говори Славомакедонски :-) --Latinus 01:03, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Избиј си од твојата глава тоа дека ги знаеш другите подобро отколку што се знаат тие себси. Како што кажав изгледа дека тоа е грчки обичај и традиција, ама многу лоша. Па барам обидете се да ги оставите лошите навики. --Realek 01:10, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

"Грчки обичај и традиција", "многу лоша"? Аз не мисля че е лош, но е безполезен. Аз извинявам, потребител Македония. Аз го изтривах. Не говоря Български добре :-/ --Latinus 01:30, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

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Greek Macedonians

In case you haven't noticed, I've already provided sources for the term "Greek Macedonians", and their numerical superiority in the South-central regions of Macedonia, including what's today southern FYROM i.e. Monastiri villet. Miskin 16:40, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Your anonymous activity

Hey, I know about that anon IP of yours that you use to "make your points". If revealed, it will be pretty obviously linked to you, especially after CheckUser. However, I'm not the type who likes turning people into the "authorities" having once been on the other side, so if you refrain from vandalizing with that IP, it will not be reported. However, since you state that you don't even care about "being banned" when you use that IP... Alexander 007 11:19, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Per my intent, if that IP vandalizes again I will report it as your sockpuppet, and the case will be determined. I don't even suppose that CheckUser has to prove it's you, since Misplaced Pages doesn't need to establish cases to the same degree as a legal case. There's enough evidence throughout its contributions. Alexander 007 14:58, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Барање за Администратор за корисникот Khoikhoi. Можеш да гласаш на . --Realek 16:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Ти не знаиш ли че потребител Македония не говори Славомакедонски? ;-) --Latinus 16:15, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Jas zboruvam Makedonski, ama ne zboruvam slavomakedonski :-) Macedonia 18:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Најверојатно не зборува, зашто таков јазик не постои! Ти сигурно мислеше на Македонски Јазик. 10000000 пати правиш иста грешка, ама не си ти крив што толку ти сече. --Realek 16:22, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Question

Can you source this edit. That mosaic is not Ancient Macedonian - it's Byzantine! --Latinus 21:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Here:

It doesn't really say that the mosaic is Ancient Macedonian - or is the theatre Ancient Macedonian as well? I think it'd be best to just say "a mosaic from Bitola" and then give the link and let the reader make up his own mind. I highly doubt that mosaic is Ancient Mac and as the source doesn't say it is, it's probably best to be vague and accurate rather than specific and possibly inaccurate. If there is some way of interpreting the source which says that the mosaic is indeed Ancient Macedonian (and not Roman/Byzantine for example), then I'm sure the reader will spot it. --Latinus 21:52, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Kutlesh Sun + Macedonian revolut.

Hey, Macedonia, I think the Kutlesh Sun and the Macedonian rev. pics on your userpage are absolutely cool! Take care friend, Bomac 16:15, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Poll

Hi, take a look at the :Talk:Republic_of_Macedonia#POLL:_Introduction_for_Republic_of_Macedonia_article and vote if you want. Bitola 13:11, 6 April 2006 (UTC)