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Thank you

I just wanted to thank you for your support (by changing your vote) of my RfA which finally passed! I greatly appreciate it! Ramallite 04:11, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you

Very much for your kind support of my adminship. I'll do my best to live up to your and my other supporters' expectations. If you have any comments or concerns on my actions as an administrator, please let me know. Thank you! — MC MasterChef :: Leave a tip — 14:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Mediation?

Hi Minister! Days ago you dropped by the talk page of Cenepa War offering yourself as a mediator. The idea wasn't bad, as by the look of things, a flame war was about to start...Well, it did, until it ran its course (gladly). Well, I've been doing some more work on the article, it's somewhat bigger now, and I think the notes and references are coming out ok (your opinion would be great though). The thing is, this is a fairly recent war between Peru and Ecuador (I am Ecuadorian BTW), and it's a proven fact that human emotions cool down much slower than the barrel of a gun. Anyhow, a Peruvian user, HappyApple, dropped by the other day to leave a POV warning, but without mentioning specific sections or sentences. I've been trying to reach him, but he doesn't seem to be terribly enthusiastic about coming in and pointing out some ideas on how to improve the article and delete that warning. Could you take a look at the article, and the talk page, to see if you'd like to mediate or rescue the article, in case HappyApple doesn't show up anymore? Thanks Andres C. 22:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

Please fix your signature

Please refer to Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Ianblair23 and fix your signature as necessary. Thank you. Silensor 23:24, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Euhm... I dont see anything wrong with my signature to be quite honest... -- <font face="Garamond" color=navy size="2">The Minist</u>]]] 06:57, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Aha. Now how did this happen?

Does stripping it help? The Minister of War 07:15, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Your signature, from some post a couple of days a go, reads: The Minister of War , around "The Minist" you open u, open font and then close u without closing the font, so add directly after "The Minist". It seems like you have maybe changed it already so that's great Stefán Ingi (talk) 09:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

I guess I should have realised that on the page this will just render your sig as html tidy has been added again, but you can see the problem if you edit the code. Stefán Ingi (talk) 09:08, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

But everything is still behaving wierdly, I just got my

Yep, your (talk) is still weird (though i fixed it). I think I'll be sticking with boring sigs for a while :-) Thanks for pointing out the missing font tag, indeed i overlooked it! The Minister of War 09:16, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Godmode light

Hi! I am afraid I do not know IE well enough to fix godmode light so that it works with it (note that some of the required code is already present). But I will try to have a look at it if I ever have the opportunity to use a Windows box. Sam Hocevar 12:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

My RFA

Thanks for your support. I've now been made an administrator. I'll do my best not to let you down :) --Sherool (talk) 02:42, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for supporting me for adminship. The RfA passed today. I look forward to working with you to make Misplaced Pages a better place. --Nlu 05:37, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

GraemeL's RFA

Hi The Minister of War,

Thank you!

Hi The Minister of War,

Ianblair23's RfA

G'day Minister,

MONGO RfA

I really appreciate the time you spent examining my contributions and for the well thought out and articulate commentary you gave when you voted to support me. I was really impressed with your professionalism in your statement. I have been promoted and I have you partly to thank for that. As I discussed, my comment regarding foreigners was not taken seriously and the object of my "joke"Rama, a person I have edited with in the past, knew it for what it was and voted support, although I think they didn't count his vote as it came in late. Regardless, I'll be careful to not let my words erroneously cast confusion to the reader again and I'll ensure you know that your vote was the correct one. Let me know if there is anything I can do for you.--MONGO 08:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm glad you made it! Like i said in my comments, it seems like your an excellent contributor, apart from those specific comments. Sadly, most people dont take, or even have the time to look so thoroughly through contributions, so sometimes appearances are all people base their opinions on. Cant really blame 'em; must say that after your RfA i decided to quit voting on them - it just takes too much damn time! :-) The Minister of War 09:07, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Cheers

Thnaks for your support on my RfA and your kind comment. I hope I carry on looking good! Steve block talk 09:50, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Cheers

I hope I'm doing this right - I'm new to wiki editing. Anyway, I think we have boatloads in common, and I look forward to chatting with you. Best, Arthur360911.

re: Reverting talk pages

The last time it happened, dozens of pages resulted from it. Most of the material in the talk page have nothing to do with the article, which is really sad. I was also responsible of this mess, which I accept the partial blame. It is predicted that had the materials been left there, Thoth would have answered and then the other person, and then Thoth etc., and it would be impossible to delete anything then(because deletion would be the only way to stop that), because to delete you will have to decide where to cut, and either of them will find it unfair that you started deleting from his answer. Since it was early in the discussion, deleting both answers was the best thing in my opinion. If you disagree, feel free to revert back, but you'll have to moderate both of them if it degenerate. :) Fad (ix) 00:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Esperanza elections

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News from Esperanza

Hello, fellow Esperanzians! This is just a friendly reminder that elections for Administrator General and two advisory council positions have just begun. Voting will last until Friday, December 30, so make sure you exercise your right to vote! Also, I'm pleased to announce the creation of the Esperanza mailing list. I urge all members to join; see Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/Contact for more information. All you need to do is email me and I will activate your account. This will be a great way to relax, stay in touch, and hear important announcements. Thanks! Flcelloguy (A note?)

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Brandram Merge

Thanks for merging the two articles I flagged (Princess Katherine of Greece and Denmark and Lady Katherine Brandram). I wasn't quite sure how to do it. -- EgbertW 01:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Diplomacy

Thanks for the improved text regarding the computer games' lack of voice chat. More accurate and more encyclopedic than the previous version. Barno 02:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

No problemo. Must say, I even quite enjoyed both of the computer games. Then again, i'm the kind of person who played them with six computer opponents with world domination as my goal rather than merely victory. :-) The Minister of War 15:34, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Meatball, and why Voting is Good sometimes

Meatball is a wiki about community processes (now mostly defunct, though), and has created a lot of Words of Wisdom that we use on a daily basis. So while I see few people actually participated in VIG, I'm sure many have read it.

Anyway. These issues have already been discussed (to death, several items) on a variety of pages. The problem with that is that such discussions generally bog down into two opposing factions, both with reasonable arguments, and it is impossible to measure if either side is representative of consensus, or simply a vocal minority. So we should most certainly take this poll seriously. Once we know that (if) a strong majority supports a certain position, we can take it to a proposal page to hammer out the details. If we started out with a proposal instead, there would 1) be substantially less interest, and 2) any opponent could simply state it to be non-consensual.

I disagree with your assertion that "half of the people who count, don't vote, and half of the people who vote, don't count". With the exception of a sockpuppet (whom I take to be an existing user exercising his right to be anonymous), all voters are established and reasonably knowledgeable Wikipedians. And the poll had over five hundred responses in the first day. Radiant_>|< 13:15, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

• Yeah, it's tricky, but Category:Misplaced Pages proposals is generally worth keeping an eye on. It's true that voting encourages pileons, it's tempting to scan both sides for people you know and trust and I'm sure it subconsciously influences judgment for many. Radiant_>|< 16:28, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

My RfB

Hey, Minister (or should I say, your Excellency??). I just wanted to thank you for your support in my RfB. And thank you especially for your compliment on my argumentation. I'm flattered. Thank you so much. Redux 22:03, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history: Coordinator elections

--Loopy 04:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the comment on my work via the military history project coordinators. Most of the editors know that my formal education is in military history, and for the last 7 months I have been working away at it. I appreciated your coming to my defense. Thanks! I have accepted that I won't be on that project. I will just continue to freelance. old windy bear 12:57, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

An Esperanzial note

As I remember, the last spam that was handed out was on the 20th of December last year, so I think it's time for another update. First and foremost, the new Advisory Council and Administrator General have been elected. They consist of myself as Admin General and FireFox, Titoxd, Flcelloguy and Karmafist as the Advisory Council. We as a group met formally for the first time on the 31st of Decembe. The minutes of this meeting can be found at WP:ESP/ACM. The next one is planned for tonight (Sunday 29 January) at 20:30 UTC and the agenda can be found at WP:ESP/ACM2.

In other news, Karmafist has set up a discussion about a new personal attack policy, which it can be found here. Other new pages include an introductory page on what to do when you sign up, So you've joined Esperanza... and a welcome template: {{EA-welcome}} (courtesy of Bratsche). Some of our old hands may like to make sure they do everything on the list as well ;) Additionally, the userpage award program proposal has become official is operational: see Misplaced Pages:Esperanza/User Page Award to nominate a userpage or volunteer as a judge. Also see the proposed programs page for many new proposals and old ones that need more discussion ;)

Other than that, I hope you all had a lovely Christmas and wish you an Esperanzially good new WikiYear :D Thank you! --Celestianpower 16:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
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WS

Hi, I see that Arre agree that the two terms (WS and SADR) are not interchangeable. What do you think by then about the title of the page? Best regards. Daryou 20:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

hey, stop misrepresenting my point of view. i'm sure that his excellency can read for himself what i think. Arre 23:04, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

My dear Arre you said exactly: "We all agree that they are not interchangeable terms". :)

Hi, I just posted a comment, what do you think? Cheers. Daryou 22:57, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

AH

With all due respect, I didn't think the "grammar" changes had anything to do with grammar :) Wyss 17:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Wow. You seriously nitpicking about that, when its so clear what i meant? Fascinating. Or perhaps this is meant as a clear apology and i myself am missing it? The Minister of War 10:08, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

My RFA

Hi Mr Minister of War, thanks for participating in my RfA discussion. Unfortunately, my fellow Wikipedians have decided at this time that I am not suitable to take on this additional responsibility, as the RfA failed with a result of 66/27/5 (71.0% support). But thank you for voting for me! Regards, Proto t c 10:35, 3 February 2006 (UTC)

Template:Helpbox

Hi. Per your comments at Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 January 24#Template:Helpbox, I've userfied the above template to User:The Minister of War/Template:Helpbox since there seems no reason to userfy it to an author's space who showed no interest in it despite being asked about it. If you'd prefer it deleted, drop me a note. The redirect is already gone. -Splash 03:05, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm yes thanks. I think it was a real swell idea to make it, but i'm not sure i want to pick up the baton if even User:Xiong himself doesnt seem willing to help out with his own project. I wish he just would. I dont know what happened, but it seems awfully pointless to let it get to you, as there are so many other editors who just contribute without getting stuck in Wikipoliticking. Ah well. Thanks anyway. The Minister of War 07:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

What You Said On Radiant's Talk Page

Well, I do have a manifesto, although it's more about what me, Radiant and many others believed in(a need for reform), rather than getting Radiant back. I just hope he does come back and that Jimbo realizes what a fool he's been for his actions and trusting the people he has(the Clerks, mainly). Karmafist 13:53, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

My Birthday

Thank you very much! —Kirill Lokshin 14:25, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Another Esperanzial note...

Hi again Esperanzians! Well, since our last frolic in the realms of news, the Advisory Council has met twice more (see WP:ESP/ACM2 and WP:ESP/ACM3). As a result, the charter has been ammended twice (see here for details) and all of the shortcuts have been standardised (see the summary for more details). Also of note is the Valentines ball that will take place in the Esperanza IRC channel on the 14th of February (tomorrow). It will start at 6pm UTC and go on until everyone's had enough! I hope to see you all there! Also, the spamlist has been dissolved - all Esperanzians will now recieve this update "newsletter".

The other major notice I need to tell you about is the upcoming Esperanza Advisory Council Elections. These will take place from 12:00 UTC on February 20th to 11:59 UTC on February 27th. The official handing-over will take place the following day. Candidates are able to volunteer any time before the 20th, so long as they are already listed on the members list. Anyone currently listed on the memberlist can vote. In a change since last time, if you have already been a member of the leadership, you may run again. Due to the neutrality precident, I will not vote for anyone.

Yours, as ever, Esperanzially,
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Re, WS

Hi, Thank you very much for your intervention in this issue. There is just a little problem; I have some comments about the introduction and the arguments:

• Moroccans accept and use the term Western Sahara.
• If you want to include the comparison with the Flag of Tibet and Flag of Palestine, there should be also the comparison with the flag of ROC (Taiwan). Maybe we should also include that all conflicts aren't similar.
• We should also include "See Also: WP:NPOV"
• Morocco does acknowledge the very term "Western Sahara", it's a fact.
• There is one or 2 of my arguments that you didn't mention: There are exceptions to the naming convention (flag of Taiwan), and "neutrality of WP has priority".

Thank you and best regards. Daryou 16:59, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for setting up a poll. Arre 17:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

the poll

Hi, the wording of the arguments is controversial, for example:

• Calling this flag Flag of Western Sahara implies that the flag is the rightful flag of the whole territory, which is POV. (you use affirmations in the opponent arguments and you use the conditionnal in my arguments?)
• Morocco uses the Moroccan flag in Western Sahara, and several other different flags of different Provinces within the area.
• The term Flag of Western Sahara could not be applied to any other flag. There is no Moroccan version of a flag of Western Sahara, save the Flag of Morocco itself, and the Flags of the Provinces in Moroccan Sahara (this page doesnt yet exist).

Plus, you didn't mention many of the arguments that I used in this talk page. The arguments section is supposed to summarize in a very neutral way all the arguments used by the opponents since many voters won't have the time to read all the page. For example

1. the "flag of ROC" precedent.
2. there are exceptions to the naming convention.
3. neutrality has priority over the naming convention.
4. this title is POV because it reflects the polisario's POV and is refused by Morocco.

If you don't agree with some of my arguments, it's not a reason to not mention them, by the same way many of the opponent arguments are untrue.

And thank you for setting up this poll, cheers. Daryou 18:35, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey Daryou, glad you like the poll.

• You have a point. However, I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from your implications of my partiality on the question. Please WP:AGF - I'm not trying to push the vote in any direction; in fact, I'm just trying to help on a page with which I have no feelings either way.
• I use the term Moroccan Sahara to reflect the part currently under Moroccan control. I must say I dont see any problem here.
• I'll change this; I was not implying the flags dont exist, but I assume this would be clear to most readers.

I have tweaked one of the arguments to include some of your points. Points 2, 3 and 4 are minor points within the second argument, and not really arguments unto themselves.

More generally, I have two more comments. First, I do not appreciate the way you imply that I leave out arguments because I do not agree. This is simply not the case. Again, please WP:AGF, and dont assume you know what my opinion on the matter is. Second, please dont comment on every vote in the poll. There has been ample discussion already, and inline comments (especially when improperly bulleted) only confuse the poll. Please dont add more.

Cheers, The Minister of War 23:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I have absolutely no doubt about your good faith. I know you very well since we've met in the WS infobox survey, remember? I really appreciate your integrity. Thank you very much and best regards :). Daryou 23:30, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Ah yes, the infobox vote; the good old days! ;-) Glad to hear that! I was worried for a sec that the poll about how POV the article name is, would turn into a discussion on how POV the poll phrasing is! Thanks for clearing the air. Cheers, The Minister of War 23:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

By the way, we used to add comments in the poll, it seems that it is the WP way. I appreciate that the background section be clear, but there is no need to move the comments about the votes into the bottom of the page. Cheers. Daryou 23:57, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I didnt move them . You're right in that it's the Wiki-way to ask people to clarify their votes, and sometimes a discussion follows. In this case, you're just adding your comments. On other pages as well, such reactions are usually frowned upon; if everybody would add in comments for any vote they disagreed with, it would be a chaos rather soon! I wont remove these, but please dont add more. Ciao, The Minister of War 09:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Vandal

I have blocked a couple of addresses so far, but unfortunatly they keep changing IP address on a fairly quick basis. So I semiprotected Engelbert Humperdinck (singer) which seems to be their favorite vandalism page. Please let me know if you notice them coming back under a new IP address. --Martyman-(talk) 00:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Will do. Again thanks! (for the third time! :-) ). The Minister of War 00:33, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

European Union

Is there another template to use which indicates to readers that there is a dispute over one minor fact ? Agreed that the dispute template gives an impression of major factual inaccuracy, but in the absence of another more appropriate template I am not inclined to remove it - not through any obstanacy on my part, but because then the article is left as it is which I believe to be wrong. So it will stay wrong unless I make my proposed edit again - and so there is a silly edit war. I am not a massively technically aware person, but I would be happy to contribute to the design of a new template that indicates a specific and minor dispute rather than the current "blanket dispute" template. I hope I am being reasonable, but absent any other guidance, I am going to leave the article as it is. Thanks for your help--jrleighton 13:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

VWN en WCN

Beste The Minister of War,

Al enige tijd is er een Nederlandstalig chapter in oprichting, te vinden op http://nl.wikimedia.org . Dit wordt de Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland (VWN). Je kunt je interesse om lid te worden van deze vereniging hier aangeven.

Deze vereniging gaat eind augustus/begin september een Wikimedia Conferentie in Nederland (WCN) houden, volgend op Wikimania in Boston, gedeeltelijk erop inspelend middels een aantal discussiegroepen. Om iets dergelijks te organiseren is imput erg gewenst. Dus als je wilt meehelpen, of als je interesse hebt om bij een dergelijk evenement aanwezig te zijn, geef dat dan aan op nl.wikimedia. Ik hoop daar snel je imput tegemoet te zien! Met vriendelijke groet, effeietsanders 21:28, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Phroziac

Yeah, her oppose is really civil, just like her, but I still feel wierd using that pronoun with the transgendered, it's nothing personal. Karmafist 19:37, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Personal info

It's ok in a diff. It's already been posted on the wiki, and is easily findable. Thank you for your concern. --Phroziac _. o º 16:58, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Phroziac's Oppose

I hope you don't think i'm a horrible jerk now, I thought all of that was common knowledge, and I wanted to try and explain why I thought Phroziac voted that way(Phroziac is currently in a bad state and needs some friends, which the Cabal provides), but I said it in a way that wasn't objective like I wanted, but subjective and insulting, which apparently proves to a point what the cabal has been largely saying -- that I am an inferior person to an extent.

Please change it to make it not insulting if it hasn't been changed already, that was not my intention, and I have no confidence in my abilities to do so at the current moment. If I have lost your respect, I am disappointed, but I understand. Karmafist 19:57, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I often forget about the face part, since I used to be very poor at recognizing that part anyway. The internet does seem to make it easier to be a bastard...

As for the adminship, ultimately, there are only three reasons I can think of at the present time.

1. This place for lack of a better term is like a kid to me, I love it, and I want to help others better experience it in anyway I can, and ultimately, adminship gives some of the tools necessary to get the full experience of this place(I still feel like I have phantom limbs)
2. Whenever I try to explain the political workings of Misplaced Pages to real life people, especially those in the political sphere(i'm fairly involved as you can probably tell), their average response is somewhere around the perception that Misplaced Pages is either run by a mental asylum or a clan of rabid monkeys. Sooner or later, reality and our little wiki-world is going to collide, and if that happens with this place being run the way it is, this place will have next to no credibility left afterwards.
3. With all the idiotic groupthink cabal admins around, don't you think there needs to be somebody around to make sure they don't go out of control?

It'd be nice if I could just ignore it, but hard times call for people who don't want to be in charge of anything(like myself) to eschew that and strive for leadership. Hopefully i'll be able to learn how to do that here, because look at who's "running" the country right now, the real world desperately needs leaders, and I don't see many signing up to try and clean up all those messes. Karmafist 12:27, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

"Leaving"

Maybe just a break. All I know is that now is not a good time for me on here, last night I literally got sick just looking at Misplaced Pages. I'd like to come back, but I don't know. I'm a politician by my nature, so maybe that means there's no place for me here. However, the fact that i've been unable to make wikipolitics into a less toxic thing for all involved is a disappointment to me, and I have to take a step back if only from that. Karmafist 13:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Gatekeepers

Regrettably, the RFC didn't bring in many people. The article is about the same or worse, with none of the suggestions incorporated. Is there another way to attact some level heads and knowledgable people to the article...? Schizombie 00:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

I put an AfD on it. Schizombie 20:56, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

help me!

I have given nearly two half days of work on this issu. I really do not want to read protocols for community to take it forward, based on your remark. I'm just learning this tool and its social structure. I'm involved as Karabekirs significant work was reverted by one of the administrators. I believe his work was a significant addition. The reasons are already given at the talk page. I'm sure you can find them, just check my additions. I believe one of administrators took the issues on a personal level (from his words, he is sided on the issue covered at the article, which is fine with me) and tried to get rid of every addition of Karabekirs on the article (which is not fine with me) of Armenian genocide. I wish to see first two items happen very strongly.--OttomanReference 16:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

• "Karabekirs (a.k.a Coolcat's or ...) additions on the main article should be reverted back. Revision of 07:12, 9 March 2006"

• "Karabekirs (a.k.a Coolcat's or ...) additions of timelines should be reverted back (undelete them). Let him contiue with the organization of the timelines."

• "Karabekirs (a.k.a Coolcat's or ...) controversial additions on Turkish side of the argument that brought whole issue (I support keeping them) should be left as it is. Let Fadix deal with them, not the whole community by voting."

-> please take these forward, and add that MY VOTE is positive.--OttomanReference 16:12, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Armenian Genocide

Hey there,

I can understand you're looking for help - you've stumbled on one of the most controversial articles on the wiki! :-) You should know that the article on the Armenian Genocide is a very VERY disputed topic, and throughout its history has seen a lot of very political an non-neutral editing. You are probably right in saying that some administrators react a bith harshly (though I havent checked or anything), but this is probably because of previous attacks on that particular page. On these kinds of pages we should all try to be as forgiving as we can.

You are right that most of the arguments are listed on the page, but it takes a LOT of time to read through it. For this reason, most wikipedians prefer to be given links which show the edits you mean. This means digging into the history of the article, and then comparing the dit you mean with the one immediately preceding. For example, in this case you probably mean this edit, am I right? These types of links, called 'diffs', make examining a dispute much easier for others. Learning how to use them can save you much time explaining the arguments, and save others time by not needing to read the whole talk page (and it makes the talk page a whole lot easier to read!). Also, as a note in etiquette, you should refrain from using too much CAPITAL LETTERS and too much bold font. It is harder to read, and feels like "shouting" to most people.

I hope you dont mind I'm telling you all these things, but you mentioned you were new, so I thought I'd explain it a bit :-)

About the content: I dont agree with the whole edit (for example, crucial parts of the Ottoman archives are still closed), but I understand your point. I will post something on the talk page, and we'll see what happens. If you still feel uncomfortable with the outcome, the usual recourse is to post a request for comment, though response is usually not high.

If you have any other questions feel free to ask more!

Cheers, The Minister of War 16:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

The whole thing is very very disappointing. I belive there is a responsibility which falls on administartors on the handling of reversion. The additions we are talking are not vandalism. I spend, on the basis of good will, planty of time to point out that there is something wrong (on administartation) on deleting a significant effort by assigning claims that are questionable. Also all my efford is going to be trashed because I did not used diff. It is very easy to add labels on a very controversial issues, such as this as you pointed. Efforts of this person are all gone, because one of your administartors shouted "liar liar". "liar liar" is controversial. I disagree with him. Assume that he is right on the section that he should "liar liar", how could that extent to whole effort. I can see you have your labels too. So, I'm saying; "How you treat the label is also important". You treated that label getting rid of everything that person contributed. People are not stupid. They can recognize what is right what is wrong. I believe reverted text was much better organized so that these labels can be traced easily. That is what made your administrator crazy and get rid of whole effort. If that thing does not reverted back; it will be a policy decision of the wikipedia, given the fact that your administrator called his friends (do i need to check if they are administrators too?) to vote on reversion in the first place. It will have more meaning than a simple activity of one of your administrators. Your administrator organized this page toward his "worldview" and protecting it as it is, using arguments of NPOV, CITATION, etc. The whole thing is very very disappointing.--OttomanReference 17:03, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

The additions which were added in days (I'm sure you use diff better than I can) were reverted so quickly compared to what I'm trying to bring forward... Do not take it personally, but it is frusturating.--OttomanReference 17:30, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Template:Helpbox

I notice you salvaged this delicate little tool from the yahoos; thank you. But of course it's pretty much useless in userspace. Do you want to do anything with it, with or without my help? — Xiong熊talk* 10:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Belarus

There is no need to take offense to this reversion. Reversions are to be expected in the process of peer editing on Misplaced Pages. Reversions can be undone, and no single editor has the final say on any article. Now, regarding the reversion, I found the following sentence to be a particularly problematic example of speculation: Currently the country is in the grip of a crisis following the March 2006 Presidential elections. "Crisis" is a strong word. Currently there are only around 700 demonstrators in Minsk. The protest has been dwindling since Sunday. Since then, each evening has seen a progressively smaller gathering -- 5,000 on Monday, 3,000 to 4,000 on Tuesday. The hardcore group spending the whole night outside however rose from 300 to 1,000 on Tuesday. This protest comes nowhere close to the scale of previous protests in the former Communist world that did trigger crises threatening to oust the ruling regime. We do not see evidence that the crowd in Minsk is going to be storming government compounds anytime soon, as was the case when Shevardnadze and Akayev were forced out of power. We see no evidence of a split in the leadership, as we did in 1989 during the Tiananmen crisis. The country does not appear on the verge of civil war, as was the case in Russia in October 1993, when the parliament declared that it would no longer recognize Yeltsin's presidency. The crisis in Russia then came to a climax when Yeltsin brought tanks into the streets of Moscow and blasted his opponents in parliament out of the Russian White House. While it's possible that an unforeseen event stemming from the protest might trigger such a crisis in the coming days in Belarus, that's only a matter of speculation. While this might be an interesting question for us to consider, we must keep our speculation out of Misplaced Pages articles. 172 | Talk 13:04, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Good Night and Good Luck

Hello, my friend. Sorry you had to leave the project and the taskforce. But I fully understand. I was lucky my own Master's defence occured during the summer when I had little else to do otherwise. What I do take exception to, though, is when you charachterize yourself as somehow, "unknowledgable". We are all amatures, and unless the likes of Keegan or Chalmers joins our little group, we are likely to always remain so. Please know that you are more than welcome back anytime you find the time and inclination. By the by, what is your Thesis on? My MA is also in Poli-Sci. With an emphasis on European Politics, International Relations and Conflict Resolution. Cheers Bro,--R.D.H. (Ghost In The Machine) 02:53, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Helmut Kohl patrol

Sounds like a grand idea to me. I was feeling kind of exasperated tonight because that edit came back so randomly. Well, that and finishing final exams, but it was still kind of "Where the heck did this come from?" when I saw it in the edit history. It'd be really nice to have someone to back me up, so I'm not accused of starting an edit war. Again, thanks for the offer. I'll gladly take you up on it. --Sporkot 07:55, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I noticed that an anon ip actually removed that stuff before the one you referenced. What do you think we should do? Is this moving into "recurrent vandalism" territory? --Sporkot 21:10, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah hell, what do I do now about this? He added it back on the 30th, but the talk page reveals he does want to make an honest effort about it. I already pledged to not rv anymore, so what next? --Sporkot 04:34, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Esperanza Newsletter, Issue #1

File:1936NurembergRally.jpg

Crux deleted it. I just asked why on the talk page. -Quasipalm 15:50, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks a lot!

Thanks very much for the award. I really appreciate it! Regards, Asterion 22:22, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello!

Now I got it. I feel embarassed, you must think I'm dumb for not noticing the Show preview button right next to the Save page button. I'll use it from now on. Thanks for your support, I really like it here, Misplaced Pages is great, and my goal may be a little ambitious, but I like to set my sights high. Everyone seems so friendly here, I'm definately going to stay. --M.B. 04:38, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

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Furniture

I'd hope they'd give me some furniture for all the crap i'm going to have to go through in the next few months. What you're saying is true for many parties, for example, Tony Blair is currently the chair of the Labour Party I believe. However, my town doesn't have a mayor, so that wouldn't work. The best way to think of it is that i'm the same as Howard Dean, just in the town of Merrimack, New Hampshire. Karmafist 14:57, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again

I have a little question for you. When I click on my "edit count", it shows that I have 126 edits, even though I've made much more than that. Why isn't it working properly? --M.B. 20:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the information, I appreciate the help. :-) --M.B. 05:44, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Jeans Revolution

I'm watching. John Reid 12:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok bros, if u consider ABC news, the International Herald Tribune and AP so unbiased I ll pass from "vandalising" your wonderful scripts. Misplaced Pages should mention the truth and only the truth. The "jeans revolution" was a joke and you unbiasedly (to create a neologism) know it.

Peace,

Spyros

CD template

Thanks for you complement on the CD template. I will check them all again. I did make an effort to arrange the locations. I think the Kohl article just happened to be a poor one.    GUÐSÞEGN   – UTEX – 12:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Jeans Revolution

here's your source, my friend, I hope it seems less biased to you than AP and IHTR and you dont axe it again as an act of vandalism Cheers! Spyros

Commons

Hello!

I've created a login on the Commons site, and I'll start uploading the photos very soon (there are a lot of photos, it will take me a while to find catagories for each of them). I didn't even know Misplaced Pages Commons existed, and it sounds like a great idea, since all of the different language Wikipedias can use the photos. All the best,

--M.B. 23:53, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

User WikiMB

Hello. I wanted to let you know that I have placed a note under your comment on Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_CheckUser. I hope they'll be able to shed some light on the whole matter. Thanks. EurowikiJ 13:54, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Why... What did I do wrong... --M.B. ۩ 03:42, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Regretably the administrator at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_CheckUser decided not to carry out the check. I sent a new note to the contributors that had received the previous one informing them of this decision. There is a copy of it left on User talk:WikiMB. In elk geval dank je wel voor jouw bijdrage. EurowikiJ 09:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The block has just been issued. What can I say? Dank je wel allemaal voor al je moeite, inzet, steun, hulp enz.

I was ready to give up.

Hartelijk dank en nog een goede nacht. EurowikiJ 22:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Confirmed: WikiMB a sock of Bormalagurski

Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I don't feel bad about Bormalagurski turning out to be a sockpuppet, because all I said was in good faith. If he used that faith it will only backfire. I fully support the investigation, and maybe we can finally put this behind us. Btw, could you please support my request for investigation on User:Medule on the same page? He seems to have multiple sockpuppets and has been disrupting a lot of Croatia related articles with incessant revert wars, and in my mind poses a much greater annoyance then Bormalagurski... Anyways, thanks and see you out there ;) --Dr.Gonzo 21:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Stressed

"stress for nothing (yet no chicks for free)) "

That was the best edit summary I've ever seen. :D I've been singing the song all day in my head. But I'm sorry to hear that you're stressed out! It sounds like you did the right thing, though, so don't worry . -- Natalya 17:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

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