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Are you the same Iantresman...

... who created the Heliospheric circuit gif? I would like to use that in an duplication of the Electric Universe model you have worked on. I find it relevant to my studies as I search for interdisciplinary relations with other plasma phenomenon. Please let me know if you would mind. TTLightningRod 21:39, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

• Sure, no problem. --Iantresman 19:17, 28 July 2005 (UTC)
• Posted to my talk page by mistake. Alphax  01:56, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

List of publications in physics

Hi Iantresman,

Thanks for your contribution to the List of publications in physics. Please note Science pearls project that this list is part of.

The list should be a list of specific publications and not a list of journals, however important they are. Can you note such publications in plasma physics?

We can create a sub list of publications in plasma physics and add your contribution as further reading. What do you think of such solution? I have no proper knowledge in physics (and plasma physics) so I’d like to know whether it is suitable.

Thanks, APH 08:46, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

My fault, now updated. --Iantresman 09:36, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

I saw that. Great. Are the entries in the list correct? Are some important topics missing? Should some entries be removed? Would you agree to adopt the physics list? APH 06:02, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

Birkeland terrella

Hey, Ian,

Nice work tracking down the terrella-in-action picture for Birkeland current. I've seen photos of the thing shut down, but never operating. Very nice! zowie 18:25, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey

Check the Energy Arc image page. :)PiccoloNamek 14:54, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Arbitration

To answer your question at Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration#Procedure_advice: You should copy the template, and paste it below, changing the "Template" of the name of the user, and filling in the appliable fields. You can notify the person either before or after, but note that you are not asking for their cooperation. They need to know so that they can respond to your accusations, if the arbitration committee accepts, it is regardless of whether they want to or not. After arbitration is accepted, a set of subpages will be created, one of which is the evidence page, where you can present your evidence for the arbitrators to analyze. There isn't a template for notification, all you have to do is say you are requesting arbitrationamd say that they need to make a statement, and give them the link. I can help you wih this if you want. Though I'm afraid that you might not understand the gravity of ArbCom. It is a last resort. Why don't you tell me what the conflict is about before you make an arbitration request? Dmcdevit·t 23:24, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Notification of POV-pusher & libeler conspiracy

This notification is being sent to FT2, Iantresman, Harald88, and Wetman, as these 4 people have responded in support of my proposition to include the wikipedia policy 'POV selective fact suppression'.

I made a note on the page wikipedia_talk:Neutral point of view that both the users Saxifrage and Dominick stalked me to said page, and that Dominick only started stalking me because Todfox notified him that I called him on his POV-pushing behavior on my user page. On my user page (user:NPOVenforcer), I have listed many people that have either pushed a POV and/or have used libel instead of fair argument, so as to warn innocent wikipedians of who to look out for. Saxifrage and Dominick both saw the list of trouble users, which included themselves as well as Todfox (aka 'Kit') due to their past offenses. Saxifrage and Dominick are thus conspiring to trying to suppress the POV selective fact suppression policy so as to give themselves free reign to make as many selective fact suppressions as they want. Also, Todfox is conspiring with Dominick to libel my informative list as an 'enemy list' via their RFC on my user page at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/NPOVenforcer (libel violates the wikipedia civilty policy, by the way), so as to try to get rid of the informative list and give them free reign to violate as many wikipedia policies as they want. On said libelous RFC, Dominick actually committed the criminal offense of trying to frame me of threatening his person, so as to try to put me in prison under false pretenses. I hope you find such behavior apalling as I do. It is for that reason that I am creating an RFA against Dominick to permanently ban his IP for his criminal offense against me. I hope that you come to support it. Why should you help save me from Dominick's offenses? -Because I am fighting to support the NPOV nature of wikipedia articles, so what benefits me benefits you through my actions, because you also support the NPOV policy. Besides, Dominick may victimize one of you next. Have you heard the saying "We will all hang together or we will all hang separately"? NPOVenforcer 05:49, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

I notice several have criticized you for not taking your dispute with Joshuaschroeder thru channels first. But I haven't noticed anyone explain those channels, by explicitly offering you a link to Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution.

This statement should not be construed as support or opposition to your cosmology, as I am not a professional scientist. Art LaPella 20:39, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

I'm quite saddened by this whole thing

Kudos for contacting Peratt, it's an interesting development. Nice to see others with an open-minded approach. Jon 06:19, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Elerner RfC

I have added a request for comment on Eric Lerner's editing, at Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Elerner. You may want to look at it if you have a spare moment, since your views are probably quite different from mine. –Joke137 00:47, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Learn something about redshift and come back

As it is, you are getting all your information from very biased sources and are doing searches in very round-about ways. You need to get a handle on the basics of redshift before you can make an argument to insert your POV into the article. As it is, you haven't demonstrated even a cursory understanding of the subject. Please read up on it and get back to me.

Thanks,

--ScienceApologist 23:08, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Outside statements

Yes, I do believe that they are allowed. Raul654 is the real expert on this matters, though. Warmest regards --Neutrality 16:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Intermixed RFAR statements

I was about to remove them myself, but now that you've responded, I'm not sure what to do. Jayjg 00:04, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Mediation request

Hi Iantresman,

I noticed your request on the WP:RFM page. First, apologies that no one had gotten to it yet (we're rather short-handed). Second, mediators aren't decision makers, so I don't think that declaring consensus need or ought to be done by a mediator. It looks anyway as if a consensus has been agreed upon. I'm removing the request, let me know if you have any questions. — Asbestos | Talk (RFC) 21:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

Cold Fusion RfC

Hello,

There's currently a controversy at Cold fusion that I would appreciate it if you could look at. The article is about to fail a Featrued Article Removal Candidate vote. There are at least 3 fairly different versions in play: one based on the original Featured Article dating back to 2004-08-20 and tossing out all edits between now and then ("FA version"), one which was the current version up until that ("current version"), and a proposed new draft written originally by Edmund Storms (a retired Los Alamos scientist) and edited by me ("Storms version"). At the moment the article is being rather agressively edited by a few people who support the version from a year ago, and if this stands, a lot of good material will be lost. Frankly, I can't entirely support any of the versions; the article just needs more work and more different perspectives. Hence this invitation. I hope you can help.

I'm posting this to you because I've seen you on various physics-related pages, and/or because you've worked on the Cold fusion page before. Thank you for your time.

ObsidianOrder 06:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Self references

I think it's a pretty clear case of Misplaced Pages:Avoid self-references. It's intention is clear; don't have such links in Misplaced Pages articles. enochlau (talk) 16:58, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Re:Birkeland currents discovered

Two points:

1) This is the first time direct evidence for magnetic fields around a molecular cloud have been observed. The Zeeman splitting is very difficult to measure. 2) There is no indication that the field is generated by Birkeland currents.

--ScienceApologist 06:18, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

This is still the first time magnetic fields have been directly observed around (not in) a molecular cloud. You have a poor definition of Birkeland currents. Maxwell's equations predict a current density for every magnetic field with circulation. That isn't the definition of a Birkeland current which is a current circuit associated with a magnetosphere that interacts with a plasma such as in the aurora. A simple current density associated with the curl of the magnetic field doesn't necessarily indicate a Birkeland circuit since there are a lot of ways to get a current density on large scales. --ScienceApologist 15:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Please refer to me by my username on talkpages

Such courtesy would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! --ScienceApologist 00:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for following my request. Such courtesy does not go unnoticed. I'd give you a barnstar, but I can't find one that's appropiate. --ScienceApologist 20:43, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

tired light

You asked me about what's happening on Tired light mediation; now it's starting to move, see Mediation Cabal: Tired Light Harald88 13:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

PS your last message messed up Harald88 08:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

whtws a tired light? E-Series 18:29, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Mediation: Electric Universe Concept

I'm sorry for the late reply, you submitted this case. Is this case still in need of mediation? --Fasten 15:44, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

Electric Universe Concept, NPOV clarification

I have replied to the mediation request. If you would like further assistance, please let me know, otherwise I will consider the case closed in aweek or so. Cheers,

Sam Spade 13:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Please see Misplaced Pages:Mediation_Cabal/Cases/2006-02-11_Electric_Universe_Concept,_NPOV_clarification#Wraping_up, where your attentions have been requested. Cheers, Sam Spade 17:52, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi guys, Voice of All, who froze the plasma cosmology page, say that we can edit it if we reach a consensus, which specifically does not have to include Joshua, if the rest of us agree. So I suggest that we agree on Tommysun's last version, with the exception of the definition of plasma. Can I try again here on that: "Plasma is a state of matter where electrons and ions can move freely, and carry currents."? What do the rest think?Elerner 01:05, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Re:Redshift email

Hehe check your diffs more carefully: . I wasn't the one who added the section; I merely slapped the {{verify}} tag on. enochlau (talk) 10:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Indeed yes. Nevertheless, perhaps you'd keep an eye on the proceedings anyway. --Iantresman 11:00, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Invitation

The Mediation Cabal

You are a disputant in a case listed under Misplaced Pages:Mediation Cabal/Cases. We invite you to be a mediator in a different case. Please read How do I get a mediator assigned to my case? for more information.
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--Fasten 12:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Ion: Citing sources

It is great that you improved the article, but you reference numbers without citing a source that verifies them. If you have sources, please cite them, or otherwise try to find sources that qualify your information (provided that none refute it). The page Misplaced Pages:Citing sources might help.—Kbolino

3RR at Plasma cosmology

Please be aware of our three-revert rule, which you appear to have violated at Plasma cosmology. Further reverts during this time period (or any four reverts in a 24-hour period) will result in a block from editing. (ESkog) 18:34, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

While I haven't technically violated 3RR, Ian definitely has. --ScienceApologist 18:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

No Undue Weight

• What we can't infer from this quote, is whether an item is of sufficient importance for including in another article

I could not interpret this sentence, but it maybe because english is not my mother toungue. I suspect it means that the quote is only about the absolute significance of a theory or view, not about its significance relative to an article. I agree with that. Note that the prominent adherent sentence, as I understand it, can only be used to exclude or include a theory or view from a given article. It is about the relative significance of a view or theory. It cannot be used to exclude a view or theory from Misplaced Pages because tiny minority views without prominent adherents may have their own separate article. Therefore, though it contains important ingredients that could be integrated in the No Undue weight section, the quote, which is about absolute significance, is not directly related to the no prominent sentence, which is about relative significance. I am not against that we include it in the No Undue Weight section, but I would like to see where it will fit and how it should relate to the remainder of the section. -Lumière 16:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I should add that it is not because I ask how we can fit the quote in the current No Undue weight section that I am against your main points. -Lumière 03:28, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

We should ask ScienceApologist some challenging examples of article that he/she edited and where consensus worked well for him/her. The goal is to figure out more concretely what a "succesful consensus" means for him/her, under what kind of mechanism it is achieved and on what kind of topics this mechanism, whatever it is, is currently being applied. I would not challenge him/her with examples where it does not work because this would not be as much informative. -Lumière 19:02, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

The motivation for the above request is to understand why some editors depend so much on consensus in opposition to a clear policy. I looked a little bit on the history of ScienceApologist, but there was nothing obvious. I suspect that I would have found something if I had searched more. However, I found something for FelloniousMonk (FM). The key point is his comment "rv. See talk. Consensus is cite is not required and..." Note how "consensus" is being used to conclude that a source is not needed, which is against policy. If you look, you will see that FM is trying to include a paragraph that is building a case for the evolution theory without providing a citation for this viewpoint. The paragraph and the associated viewpoint is presented as if it was the truth, which is against NPOV unless this truth is attributed to a source (and a citation is provided.) Here is an exemple of a statement in this paragraph that, in accordance with FelloniousMonk's consensus, did not need a source:

"Jacques Monod's Chance and Necessity provides a good discussion of the "triumph" of the mechanistic view in biochemistry."

If the statement would have been something like

"Jacques Monod in Chance and Necessity says that the mechanistic view in biochemistry has triumphed."

there would have been no need for a citation because it only reports Monod's view in his book and the book is easily found in the Jacques Monod article. However, the statement that is pushed by FM implies that the triumph of the mechanistic view is a fact. This triumph is not presented as Monod's view, but as an independent fact that is discussed by Monod. This is against NPOV unless this view (that the triumph is a fact) is attributed and a reputable source exists. The entire paragraph is like that. -Lumière 01:52, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

In your discussion with Saxifrage, consider this:

"My suggestion is that your problem with the policy as written (as opposed to Iantresman's problem, which is not the same as yours and it is disingenuous of you to appropriate Iantresman's question for your own ends) stems from an inability to take the rules of thumb as examples of how to apply the policy and extrapolate from them to a specific situation. Your unending crusade to set down every conceivable condition in explicit words is misguided to say the least. Doing so would only feed the wikilawyers and provide no new guidance to those who have a firm grasp of the policy already." Saxifrage 04:35, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The emphasis is mine. We should ask Saxifrage who are these people who have a firm grasp of the policy! We should ask him how we can distinguish these people from those people that do not understand it. Also. we should ask him if there is an explanation to the fact that these people find that the policy is perfect the way it is, even though it is not clear. Finally, we should ask him if he likes the fact that an unclear policy prevents POV pushers to push their viewpoint. However, don't mention to him the exceptions: those POV pushers that mysteriously master this unclear policy have no problem. -Lumière 01:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)