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It pains me to hear all the loses from all three sides during the war, as this war has brought nothing good to neither 3 peoples but pain, misery, and hate. But there are so many lies abou this conflict that is sickens me to see how only one side is shown as the agressor even though Serbs lived in bosnia for centries and it was their land and territory. This is sickening a comparison my be drawn that native indians in america were the agressors towards the white settlers who occupied their land. War in Bosnia was set by the west and thare are so much evidence of this that anyone who wants to know the truth can easily find it. Mr Clinton's ultimatium to Mr Izetbegovic a muslim leader which stated "to get a NATO air raid on serbian positions there needs to be at least 5000 muslim casualities". Nobody mention this. Bosnian war was a civil war fought by 3 sides where ethnic cleansing occured at all three sides as this war could not be fought otherwise. Western interests in balkans were threatend by Serbian population both in Croatia and Bosnia as they did not want to live in different coutry by force and had every right to resist forcefull seperatism. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> It pains me to hear all the loses from all three sides during the war, as this war has brought nothing good to neither 3 peoples but pain, misery, and hate. But there are so many lies abou this conflict that is sickens me to see how only one side is shown as the agressor even though Serbs lived in bosnia for centries and it was their land and territory. This is sickening a comparison my be drawn that native indians in america were the agressors towards the white settlers who occupied their land. War in Bosnia was set by the west and thare are so much evidence of this that anyone who wants to know the truth can easily find it. Mr Clinton's ultimatium to Mr Izetbegovic a muslim leader which stated "to get a NATO air raid on serbian positions there needs to be at least 5000 muslim casualities". Nobody mention this. Bosnian war was a civil war fought by 3 sides where ethnic cleansing occured at all three sides as this war could not be fought otherwise. Western interests in balkans were threatend by Serbian population both in Croatia and Bosnia as they did not want to live in different coutry by force and had every right to resist forcefull seperatism. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding ] comment added by ] (]) 16:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Srebrenica: Genocide or a Hoax? ==

http://www.eurorus.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6861%3Awas-srebrenica-genocide-a-hoax&catid=16%3Acomments&Itemid=267&lang=en

A more neutral view which offers a new side to so called "genocide" and raises important discussion points regarding the situation in Bosnia.

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Purported IDC/RDC discovery of 500 missing from Srebrenica

Mirsad Tokaca has pointed out that his reference at the launch of the IDC/RDC "Bosnian Atlas of the Dead" project in Banja Luka, to 500 persons from Srebrenica who were considered dead and have been discovered alive has been taken out of context. The IDC/RDC considers the misrepresentation of what he said a "classic abuse of the media". Tokaca was not referring to victims of the genocide, he was referring to IDC/RDC's work on human losses 1991-1995 in the municipality of Srebrenica. IDC/RDC have pointed out that this distortion of what he actually said was the responsibility of the Serb news agency SRNA. http://www.idc.org.ba/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=243%3Ademanti-povodom-citiranja-gosp-mirsada-tokae-o-rtvama-genocida-u-srebrenici&catid=1%3Alatest-news&Itemid=50&lang=bs

Court Says the Dutch Are to Blame for Srebrenica Deaths

See here and many other news items. Mac 15:12, 6 July 2011 (UTC)


Victims identification

The Preliminary List of People Missing or Killed in Srebrenica compiled by the Bosnian Federal Commission of Missing Persons contains 8,372 names, of whom some 500 were under 18 ( 33 under 15), and includes several dozen women and girls. As of June 2011, 6594 victims have been identified through DNA analysis and more than 5100 victims have been buried at the Memorial Centre of Potocari.

Srebrenica victims are subsequently buried in Srebrenica - Potocari Memorial and Cemetery.

Memorial Center of Potocari ( July 2011): 5138 victims already buried, of them 306 boys under 18 and 8 women.

The summary of victims of Srebrenic massacre buried at memorial place in Potocari according to their birthdate:

       1984:   1       note 1
       1982:   1       note 2
       1981:  12
       1980:  35
       1979:  76
       1978: 118
       1977: 176
       1976 - 1955: 2513
       1954 - 1935: 1769
       1934 - 1925:  379
       1924 - 1915:   54
       1914 - 1899:    4
       Total      : 5138


note 1: Together with his 15 yo. brother killed with grenate explosion during shelling of Srebrenica

note 2: Died in woods after 19.7.1995

77.240.177.27 (talk) 07:54, 10 August 2011 (UTC) Kutil

The page reads The majority of those killed were adult men and teenage boys but the victims included boys aged under 15, men over the age of 65, women and reportedly even several babies. Surely if the above figures are correct (The Preliminary List of People Missing or Killed in Srebrenica compiled by the Bosnian Federal Commission of Missing Persons contains 8,372 names, of whom some 500 were under 18 ( 33 under 15), and includes several dozen women and girls), I would suggest it's more accurate to add the word 'vast', 'overwhelming', 'great' or something similar. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 222.155.220.41 (talk) 01:23, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Former US ambassador to NATO accuses Great Britain of huge responsibility for the genocide in Srebrenica

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/192348.html http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/ambassador-britain-ducking-guilt-for-srebrenica

We should incorporate this into the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.129.112.165 (talk) 14:54, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Bosnian Serbs Funnel Taxes to Genocide-Denying NGO

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/bosnian-serbs-funnel-taxes-to-genocide-denying-ngo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.129.112.165 (talk) 11:00, 3 September 2011 (UTC)


The section "Opposition to the description genocide" should be called Attempts by the government of Serbia and Republika Srpska to change international public opinion on Serbia's role in the wars in he Balkanswar by propaganda and deceit — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.129.112.165 (talk) 11:31, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

"See also" section

If the article states: "According to Human Rights Watch, the ultra-nationalist Serbian Radical Party "launched an aggressive campaign to prove that Muslims had committed crimes against thousands of Serbs in the area" which "was intended to diminish the significance of the July 1995 crime." A press briefing by the ICTY Office of the Prosecutor (OTP) dated 6 July 2005 noted that the number of Serb deaths in the region alleged by the Serbian authorities had increased from 1,400 to 3,500, a figure the OTP stated " not reflect the reality."

Then why is this:

  • Serbian innocent victims in the Srebrenica area (from 1992-1995), over 3500 victims (in Serbian)-names and surnames:
  • Serbian victim in Bosnia and herzegovina
  • Srebrenica Historical Project, (about 3500 serbs killed, 1992-1995, in Srebrenica area)-
  • Others about Srebrenica, about Serbian victims -
  • Books about Srebrenica truth-
  • List of Serbs murdered around Srebrenica (1992-95), 3287 Serbian victims-

...in the "see also" section? Because in this concept it seems like it is showing something that is actually confirmed and legaly confirmed (especially since it is using words like "murder, innocent" etc, which is something that court needs to confirm), while the article clearely states otherwise.--92.36.255.27 (talk) 09:23, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Headline

I hope you will change the headline, the headline must be the Srebrenica genocide but not Srebrenica massacre! — Preceding unsigned comment added by SA-1987 (talkcontribs) 20:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Srebrenica "genocide" is a political decision!

Srebrenica cannot be justified as a genocide because many elements which are neeaded to conclude genocide are not met. Srebrenica can be classified as a massacre and a war crime and never a genocide since there are not grounds for it. Even though the International Ah Hoc Hague tribunal has brought this decision it is widely known that Hague tribunal is a political institution to punish mainly Serbian polititians and leaders for not playing by the NATO and european rules. It is sickening that massacre in Srebrenica no matter how terrible be compared to concetration camps in Germany and Croatia during world war 2. Giving those two crimes same classification as genocide is unfair and simply monstruous. Even more that exact numbers of Srebrenica victims are not established a claim of over 8000 has never been proved and only over 2500 bodies have ever been exaumed from Srebrenica. Muslim authorities in Bosnia have declined numerous offers of investigation of Srebrenica and further forensic evaluation of the incident due to their political stance. Srebrenica is a political descision, to discredit Serbian politics during the 90's and to brand Serbian people as genocidal without ground. Bosnian war was a civil war, where all three nationalities and religions have fought eachother. Ethnic cleansing in situations where there are no clear borders in a single country which has heterogeneous polulation of 3 different nationalities and religions is sadly a reality. IT has to be asked why did west support sucession of Bosnia from Yugoslavia when they knew that there will be a bloody conflict with massive casualties on all three sides? I find it really disguisting how of all three sides involved in a war only Serbian side is accused of crimes, while bosnian muslims and croats are almost unmentioned. Nobody mentiones over 3000 Serbian civilians murdered by Naser Oric and his henchmen around Srebrenica area. Why does nobody mention that Srebrenica as a demilitarized zone was used by bosnian muslim forces as a staging ground for attacks on neighbouring Serbian villages which suffered alarming casualties of over 3000. In city of Sarajevo during the war more then 6000 Serbian residents were murdered by Bosnian Muslim paramilitary forces during the war. There are names of all who are murdered in Sarajevo, isnt this a genocide too? To any serious analyst who looks at the picture in Bosnia during the war, and who is immune to anti-serb propaganda which was fueled by CNN and BBC during the entire war to ensure that Bosnia is ripped of from Yugoslavia in bloody conflict just so that it may serve US foreign interests in Balkans. The only doorstop to these interests were Serbian peoples who refused to be forcibly ripped out from their country as large populations of Serbs lived in Bosnia for thousand years. Serbs refused to be forced to live in a foregin country ruled by foregin regime.

It pains me to hear all the loses from all three sides during the war, as this war has brought nothing good to neither 3 peoples but pain, misery, and hate. But there are so many lies abou this conflict that is sickens me to see how only one side is shown as the agressor even though Serbs lived in bosnia for centries and it was their land and territory. This is sickening a comparison my be drawn that native indians in america were the agressors towards the white settlers who occupied their land. War in Bosnia was set by the west and thare are so much evidence of this that anyone who wants to know the truth can easily find it. Mr Clinton's ultimatium to Mr Izetbegovic a muslim leader which stated "to get a NATO air raid on serbian positions there needs to be at least 5000 muslim casualities". Nobody mention this. Bosnian war was a civil war fought by 3 sides where ethnic cleansing occured at all three sides as this war could not be fought otherwise. Western interests in balkans were threatend by Serbian population both in Croatia and Bosnia as they did not want to live in different coutry by force and had every right to resist forcefull seperatism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.213.94.73 (talk) 16:02, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Srebrenica: Genocide or a Hoax?

http://www.eurorus.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6861%3Awas-srebrenica-genocide-a-hoax&catid=16%3Acomments&Itemid=267&lang=en

A more neutral view which offers a new side to so called "genocide" and raises important discussion points regarding the situation in Bosnia.

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