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	Hi, I notice you were responsible for creating and populating much of the structure under ]. Just thought that you may be interested to know that we're currently continuing to build on this structure at ]. –] 03:43, 9 April 2006 (UTC)		Hi, I notice you were responsible for creating and populating much of the structure under ]. Just thought that you may be interested to know that we're currently continuing to build on this structure at ]. –] 03:43, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

			== Country subdivisions ==

			...IMO splitting the cats into a group of "Administatrive divisions of some countries" and "Political divisions of some other countries" is not useful.

			could you maybe change your vote on ]

			and let's discuss this on the project page

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			first? It is really is mass rename, since it not only involves the cats and subcates but also lots of articles. As Lorenz pointed out it seems important that we first find clear definitions of what all the terms mean. ] ] 07:22, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

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(Sam Spade | talk | contributions) 16:19, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Matthew, regarding your recent edit at Canada, please review Misplaced Pages Style Manual. It advises that you shouldn't over-link, and you shouldn't link ordinary words like "soil". Just link to articles that readers would likely want to follow up on. After you've read this, perhaps you could reconsider those edits. Thanks. Kevintoronto 17:12, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

No problem, Matthew. I made the same mistake when I first started, too. Welcome to Misplaced Pages. I hope that you enjoy your time here. Kevintoronto 18:18, 10 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Edit summary

Thank you for your categorisation work. I have a small request. Would you mind putting an edit summary, if an edit is not minor, or clicking the "minor edit" checkbox if it is a minor edit. Edit summaries serve a very useful purpose, they notify other people what you have changed and it can save us the trouble of actually taking the diffs to see what is going on. Thanks a lot. Oleg Alexandrov 19:16, 12 Apr 2005 (UTC)

And a quick remark. If a math article is in a math category, it is kind of unnecessary to put it in Category:Mathematics too. This makes Category:Mathematics quite big. Thanks. Oleg Alexandrov

will oblige on categorizing

i see your point now on how better to categorize articles, in particular with the calculus article. regards Mayumashu 01:20, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sounds good. I could have been more diplomatic though. I hope the reversion in calculus did not make you too mad. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov 01:23, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

"Finals" tournament

Hi Mayumashu, "finals tournament" is just not proper English. "Tournament finals" is, but it's also a bit over-complicating things. In fact, "final tournament" is correct, as opposed to "final match". Also, when you say "Euro 2004", you imply the final tournament, so no need to add the word there. Sorry to nitpick. --Dryazan 12:59, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Mayumashu, I completely understand what you're talking about. The way "final" can refer to either the game or the tournament is confusing. However, "Finals tournament" makes NO SENSE in American English, whereas "Final tournament" can make sense in British English, as far as I know (and "Tournament finals" makes sense in both, but it also sounds a bit cludgy). While there's no need to push one time of English over another on Misplaced Pages, it just makes sense (for me, at least) to avoid a phrase which is gramatically incorrect for a larger percentage of Misplaced Pages's readers. And since RSSSF uses "Final tournament", and so did these pages for months without anything complaining, we should probably go with that. --Dryazan 14:40, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Japan Intro

Please explain why you changed this paragraph. Check the facts before changing things. As I wrote, there are a FEW island chains extending away from the mainland, but there NOT a few islands extending away from the mainland. Check how many islands there are in Okinawa. Not few (over 300). Also, mentioning Ryukyu Islands and Okinawan islands in one sentence is also redundant because the Okinawan islands is part of the Ryukyu islands. Change it back. Photojpn.org 04:28, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm afraid getting it "straighter" compared to getting it "straight" is not enough. You introduced another misleading element by saying "some islands." I wouldn't call hundreds of islands "some." There is no need to quantify it. And your sentence "the lower portion of an island chain known as the Ryukyu Islands, which comprise Okinawa prefecture," is too wordy and unnecessary.

The reason why I included Izu/Ogasawara is because the previous version implied that there was only one island chain (Okinawa) extending from the mainland. I wanted to affirm that that wasn't the case.

Please change it back to my original text. There was nothing wrong with it. Photojpn.org 23:44, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I cannot even fully understand your replies. "i resent being told i have my facts wrong when i had but one so." What does that mean? I'm sure you're a nice guy in person, but obviously you are not a very good writer. This matter is not even worth posting on the Japan discussion page. Photojpn.org 02:22, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Flags

Hello, the flags are where the players' home towns are, not where they are born. I used the Canadian Soccer website for this infor, and when it was not listed, I did an internet search. -- Earl Andrew - talk 17:34, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Diacritics

You can use the characters below the edit box - not as fast as typing but it still works. So for example the first five are ÁáÉéÍ. --Henrygb 10:17, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

footy terminology

Dear Forbsey, a quicky if i may - do Scots call an international (someone who plays for the national side), an internationist? i ve run into the term now a few times and saw where you used it when starting up the page for my favourite soccer player, Gary McAllister, that you used the term. i m wondering if it s a term particularly Scottish or what, as far as you know. appreciate the help, Mayumashu 16:15, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Hi Mayumashu. The term 'internationalist' is used by be personally but I wouldn't say that it was generally used by Scots. More people probably say 'international' when describing an international player but both terms are palatable. However feel free to change it if you feel that 'international' is more relavent in terms of common football jargon.

Forbsey 22:48, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Statlers

Yep, they were great, and I was a huge fan of their comedy. Rlquall 02:03, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Nova Scotians by Occupation

Hi Mayumashu. I notice you have been using a lot of "Nova Scotian by occupation" type categorizations. While there is precedent for having a People from Nova Scotia cat, breaking it down by occupation is way way overdoing it. There was considerable debate even if occupations should have been broken down by nationality. I strongly recommend that you depopulate these categories (move to the appropriate Canadian by Occupation cats) and put them up for Categories for Deletion. Fawcett5 11:38, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed you added the CfD notice to the categories, but didn't list them at WP:CFD. Just wanted to let you know that if they aren't listed there, they won't be deleted. --Kbdank71 16:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Athletes cats

Hi again Matthew - I see you have been continuing your good work with categorization. For the Canadian track athletes cat though, what do you think about the idea, for consistency, of removing the Canadian track athlete cat from Occupations by nationality and make it instead a subcat of Canadian sportspeople cat? Fawcett5 14:55, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Categories for deletion

Hi. Just wanted to let you know that simply adding the cfd notice to a category will not delete them. You need to also list the category at WP:CFD. I'll remove the tag for now. If you definitely want to bring the categories up for deletion, please re-add the tag and list it properly. Thanks. BTW, if you need help with this, I'll be happy to lend a hand. --Kbdank71 17:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I noticed you marked Category:American tennis coaches for deletion but never added it to WP:CFD. I've removed the tag for now. If you definitely wanted to delete this category, please make sure you complete both parts of the procedure. Thanks! --Kbdank71 17:38, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Categories and parents

I noticed you added Nova Scotia to Halifax Int. Airport. However, that article is already in Nova Scotia via the Airports-->Transport-->Nova Scotia route, and by policy we don't add articles to parents of cats that they are already in. Hope this clears this up. Cheers. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 23:44, May 17, 2005 (UTC)

You have to dig a little bit, but here it is "An article should not be in both a category and its subcategory" Cheers. Burgundavia (✈ take a flight?) 08:45, May 18, 2005 (UTC)

Manchester United/History of Manchester United

Hi,

I noticed you'd been working on Man United-related pages and could do with your opinion on something.

The history section was split out of the page last year (I think) but someone then wrote another history section in the main page. Both pages are now well over the recommended maximum size for a Misplaced Pages article, and it's getting to the stage where I suspect people are editing them without reading them all the way through (which would explain why the Glazer takeover is mentioned twice in Manchester United, in roughly the same amount of detail each time.

So, my idea is to create new pages for different eras in United's history, merge the relevant bits of Alex Ferguson, History of Manchester United and the History section of Manchester United into each new page and put summaries of each new page on Manchester United, with comments asking people not to make the summaries too long. The new articles would have titles like:

Manchester United pre-1945
Manchester United 1945-1968
Manchester United 1968-1986
Manchester United 1986-present

I think something like this is necessary to keep the pages manageable, but obviously don't want to make such big changes to other people's work without hearing what people think first. Please let me know what you think, at the Manchester United talk page.

Thanks, Cantthinkofagoodname 11:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

For your information...

Blanking pages does not delete them; I'm refering to your blanking of a few redirects to Professional Tennis Championships, ie Hans Gildemeister. There is a procedure for deleting pages: WP:RfD, WP:IfD and WP:VfD. Please follow it next time. Thanks! humblefool ® 03:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Bruce Barnes

Please do not blank articles without providing some rationale in their discussion page. To do otherwise is vandm at WP:CFD. Just wanted to let you know that if they aren't listed there, they won't be deleted. --Kbdank71 16:05, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Athletes cats

Categories for deletion

Central Economy

Page 33 L16 of my Atlantic Canada Road Atlas First Edition by MapArt Publishing. I can scan it in for you if you want to see it. -- Earl Andrew - talk 01:41, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey, alright I will scan it in. I have to install my scanner again, since I havent used it in a while. I reckon it's just an alternate name for economy, as I dont believe my atlas shows Economy. Best regards. --

Earl Andrew - talk 02:59, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mmmkay, I wasnt able to get the software working, because my computer collapsed while I was trying to load it, but I did take a photograph of the page, which works just as fine. --

Earl Andrew - talk 03:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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Categories and double spacing

I've noticed that while you've been adding cats and footers to articles, you've been double spacing between them and all the sections. This is not necessary, is non-standard and in truth, makes the article harder to read. Could you please refrain from inserting double spaces between sections? Thanks. Wyss 16:51, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, you said you'll continue to insert double spacing into articles even though you're aware most do not contain it? Are you aware you're not following consensus? Wyss 09:40, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

Double spacing is not a good idea, for several reasons. The most important one is that the convention (implicit or explicit, it doesn't matter) here is to use single spacing. Whether or not there is a rule that specifically prohibits it is irrelevant: by using double spacing you create more work for other editors, because they will feel compelled to clean up after you. So please try to follow the conventions and editing practices employed in the best articles on Misplaced Pages. Insisting that you are right and everybody else is wrong is generally unwise and doing things your way could easily be seen as disrupting Misplaced Pages to prove a point. Re-adding blank lines is an especially bad idea.

"Whoever" this is that made the above reply, let me say that i have never i conveyed (explicitly nor implicitly, whichever) that others are wrong and i am right on the aesthetics of single versus double spacing between sections. the truth is i should not edit the way articles written by others are spaced nor should wiki editors (i m guessing you have this or a similar position) edit for so-called blank spaces. i ve been disruptive according to the policy you ve cited above ([[WP:POINT|disrupting ...), true. Ironically enough however, the first point the page makes is that there are inconsistencies through the encycl.. editing out double spacing for single spacing because of a consensus among editors and the like (not users at large) is equally disruptive. i will set my default style sheet as suggested by the user who s replied below and i wonder why you, my fellow pedantics, will do the same. - Mayumashu 04:16:59, 2005-08-04 (UTC)

The above was the first paragraph of my message. People remove extra blank spaces all the time. The reason is consistency: if I want more space, I can adjust it in my user stylesheet. But that only gives consistent results if the underlying text uses single spacing. --MarkSweep 05:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Other reasons why adding blank lines before section headings is bad are that it creates inconsitencies across the project and that it takes control over the layout away from readers. The latter is because you can easily adjust the layout of articles by using a custom CSS style sheet. If you prefer double spacing when reading articles, I suggest you modify the default style sheet according to your preferences. See m:Help:User style for further details. Cheers, --MarkSweep 19:18, 3 August 2005 (UTC)

You need to edit User:Mayumashu/monobook.css. Try adding the following content (copy this from the rendered HTML page, not from the raw wikitext, though):

 /* <pre><nowiki> */
 h1, h2, h3, h4, h5, h6 {
   margin-top: 2em;
 }
 .firstHeading {
   margin-top: 0px;
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 /* </nowiki></pre> */

If you want more or less space, adjust the "margin-top" property. --MarkSweep 05:23, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Sir Edward Knatchbull

Hello there. Edward Knatchbull belongs in Category:Baronets in the Baronetage of England because the baronetcy which he inherited was created in 1641. Why did you change the category? Mackensen (talk) 10:14, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Same thing with Robert Peel. The baronetcy was created in 1800, right before the Act of Union, which places it in Great Britain, not the United Kingdom. Mackensen (talk) 10:16, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Oops, I shouldn't have removed the Natives of Lancashire category. That was my mistake. I'll restore it at once. Mackensen (talk) 11:33, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Argentine people

Please, bear in mind that Category:Argentine people should not be just categorised by their city/province of birth, but also by more important things such as Category:Argentine people by occupation. If the article has no other Argentine category, perhaps it would be better to give it a (id needed new) sub category of by occupation. thenks, Mariano 12:25, 17 August 2005 (UTC)

Category change on Robert Clark (actor)

I'm curious as to why you changed one of the categories on the article Robert Clark (actor) from "People of Ontario" to "Toronto people". As the article states, Clark was born in Oakville, Ontario (which is in the Greater Toronto Area, but is not in Toronto itself), and then moved to Florida, and then back up to Ontario (but not to Toronto). I could find no evidence to suggest that he ever lived in the city of Toronto. Although I backed up my contributions to that article with references, I'm wondering if I got it wrong, and hope that you can clear this up for me. Thanks! Extraordinary Machine 14:33, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't live anywhere near Toronto, and I'm not familiar with the geography of the area, so if you think the category should be changed back, then I won't object. Thanks for the information! Extraordinary Machine 18:11, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Erroneous entry

As with the above entry i am requesting that you remove the name of Thomas Browne from your list of Cheshire people. Browne was born in London and lived in Norwich from 1637-1682. I am curious as to how you acquired this misinformation. Please remove entry. From reading the above entries this seems to be a persistent mistake of yours,is Misplaced Pages really about creating lists, or propogating mistakes. Please ammend.Norwikian

Category:Canadian linguists

I saw your changes to Category:Canadian linguists. Since you objected to the use of Template:Fooian scientist types, I've changed it back to Template:Fooian fooers. This moved Category:Canadian linguists back into Category:Linguists by nationality where it belongs, instead of Category:Linguists. I have a Template:Fooian social scientist types that is in use on Category:American linguists that could be a better pick than the fooers template. Would you mind me using that template? The problem with not putting Linguists under Scientists in the national subcategories is that not all national categories have a Social scientists subcat (e.g. Category:Canadian social scientists does not exist, but Category:Polish social scientists does).

Also, I don't think that Category:Canadian anthropologists is accurate, but I left it there. Not all linguists are anthropologists. Mike Dillon 17:06, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

P.S. take a look at Category:Canadian scientists. It already has a number of social scientist subcats under it: anthropologists, psychologists, and sociologists. I think that linguists belongs there too until Category:Canadian social scientists exists. Mike Dillon 17:10, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

I've started a Category:Social scientists by nationality. Please add your new Category:Canadian social scientists to this category. Mike Dillon 17:29, September 3, 2005 (UTC)

Category:Canadian mathematics professors

Hi Mayumashu. I saw that you created this category. I just wonder why you think it was not enough to categorize those articles in Category:Canadian mathematicians. From what I know, most mathematicians are mathematics professors. And I think that the absolute majority of mathematics professors who are not serious mathematicians don't deserve an article on Misplaced Pages. So in my view, Category:Canadian mathematicians should have been enough for categorizing the notable Canadian mathematicians who are math professors. I wonder what you think. You can reply here, I will keep a watch on this page. Thank you, Oleg Alexandrov 02:14, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Hello Oleg. I agree 200% with you, and would now like to do away with the math professor cat as well as all professor cats. i created it to form a link between Category:Canadian professors and Category:Canadian academics, but i ve since changed my mind about the matter. i think that being a prof (in itself) is NOT encyclopedically noteworthy and therefore that there should be no Category:Professors cat. anyone who happens to be a prof and encyclopedically noteworthy because of their research contributions should be catted as an academic, according to their field, shouldn t they. i would like to see Category:Professors done away with. i m considering doing away with all the canadian prof sub-cats, but it ll take a bit of work and there are other cat work (my little wiki activity now) i m working on. -Mayumashu 02:30, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Well, all you need to do is remove the mathematicians from there (put them in Category:Canadian mathematicians) and then put a speedy tag in the category, that is {{d}}. That will work because you created it. You can explain in the edit summary or on the category talk page that you don't find it useful anymore. Oleg Alexandrov 03:09, 7 September 2005 (UTC)

Jack Hanna category

How is Jack Hanna's relationship to Knoxville more important than his relationship to Ohio? Category:People from Ohio isn't just for people who were born there (it's not called "Ohio natives"), and the only subnational place that he's notable in connection with is Ohio, as the director of the Columbus Zoo. His connection to Knoxville is merely trivia to us because he didn't do anything notable there. If he's going to be in a subnational category, Ohio is the only state with which his notability has a significant connection. Postdlf 03:30, 21 September 2005 (UTC)

Categorizing people by city

I notice that you've created a few of these—why? What do you think is accomplished by categorizing individuals by cities? What do you think the ultimate effect will be? What are your criteria for including them in each city category? Simply having lived there at some time during their lives? Presently living there? Postdlf 14:14, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

I concur. Categories "Natives of Split" and particularly "Natives of Sibenik-Knin" are pointless (the latter is a modern-day county, not a city, even). Please don't do it without prior discussion. --Joy 08:18, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

formatting of stub notices

If you wish to make {{hoopsbio-stub}} indented, do it there, don't indent it in individual articles using it. --Joy 07:51, 30 September 2005 (UTC)

User Categorisation

You were listed on the Misplaced Pages:Wikipedians/Canada page as living in or being associated with Canada. As part of the Misplaced Pages:User categorisation project, these lists are being replaced with user categories. If you would like to add yourself to the category that is replacing the page, please visit Category:Canadian Wikipedian Expatriates for instructions.--Rmky87 01:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Irish Chicagoans

Hi there. If you are still interested Category:Irish Chicagoans is currently nominated for deletion: Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion/Log/2005 October 12 JW 16:04, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Edmond Lapierre

Just a minor note on a recent edit of yours -- the Canadian notice board discussed it long ago and decided that Category:Members of the Canadian House of Commons should not itself contain any articles about individual members, past or present. People should only be filed in one or more appropriate subcategories, because the main category would just be too large and unwieldy otherwise. So the main category should contain only the subcategories and the list-of-members articles. Thanks. Bearcat 06:43, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

You put an AfD on a page I wrote in my own userspace -- accusing me of vandalizing my own page

You put an AfD on a page I wrote in my own userspace -- accusing me of vandalizing my own page. See Misplaced Pages:User page#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space. "Assume goodwill" we are told. So I am going to assume this was an honest mistake on your part. Can I count on you fixing it? I'd like you to remove the entry from the AfD list. -- Geo Swan 05:33, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of it. When I wrote you I didn't see what attracted your attention. But afterwards I did.

I have been monitoring newspaper articles about the detainees in the US "war on terror". And, when I come across an article or two that have enough information in them to write an article I start an article, or contribute to their existing article, if they have one. I started the article on Omar Khadr. And in the last two months a whole bunch more. 48 so far.

Well. about three weeks ago I had an article I started nominated for AfD. Actually four of them at once. "Not notable", "Anti-American bias"... One of the four was deleted. As part of that discussion someone suggested a "List of Guantanamo Bay detainees". A good idea. I started it. It was nominated for deletion almost right away. It survived. Overwhelming keeps. Just a few deletes. One user cryptically said they had a "concern about sourcing". I made several attempts to learn what this persons concern was -- thinking that they were also going to assume good will.

Wrong. They misused the copyright violation procedure, submitteing it in bad faith I believe. I continued to be polite, until they started lying in the wikipedia copyright problems page. I became more blunt, and said I thought they were showing bad faith. They didn't respond directly. But they promptly nominated an article I had written about a US soldier, Jeffrey Waruch, who is under investigation for killing a young girl, and seriously wounding her sister and mother. Later today they nominated a second article I had written about a US soldier, Carolyn Wood, the officer who drafted the illegal interrogation procedures that caused so many problems in Iraq. I think this is not a coincidence.

Anyhow. I made copies of all those articles in my user space. But I overlooked that the links in those article would show up in the "what links here". And it would mess up the categories, etc. So I should tank you for triggering my understanding that I should surround my backup copies with a nowiki...

When you nominated my backup copy for AfD I did consider that there was a conspiracy to delete or suppress all content that showed the war on terror in a bad light. Lol. --- Geo Swan 06:17, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Osias Godin

People are not supposed to be simultaneously filed in parent categories and subcategories of the same parent. We do not file MPs directly in Category:Members of the Canadian House of Commons; we file them in subcategories by their province and political party only. Bearcat 18:55, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Sorry...looks like you did this before I noted this above re: Edmond Lapierre; I just can't figure out why it wasn't showing up in the master category at the time. Bearcat 18:57, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

Any mistakes i have made in filing MPs is merely accidental for i do a lot of filing and fully intend to file MPs by province. Apologies for my carelessness with the one or two you ve brought up. -Mayumashu 02:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Irish British category vote requested

Hi I noticed you voted to keep Scottish-Americans I would appreciate your help to retain Category:Irish British people, as I feel is perfectly valid to point out Irish people or people of near Irish descent who have contributed to life in Great Britain (England Scotland and Wales). Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Irish_British_people_to_Category:Irish-British_people Thanks!! Arniep 01:25, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your message. Would you consider voting for a rename Category:Irish diaspora in Great Britain, Irish diaspora is a widely used phrase and doesn't place an indication of citizensip which the other name gave so I think this is acceptable. Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Irish_British_people_to_Category:Irish-British_people Thanks Arniep 10:37, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Category:Manhattanites, etc.

Hi. When you add Category:Manhattanites, e.g. to a person who already has Category:People from New York City, you should delete the latter category, since Category:Manhattanites belongs to Category:People from New York City. Let me know if this doesn't make sense. TIA, -- Mwanner | Talk 00:07, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

I have been - i apologize if i missed one.-Mayumashu 03:29, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Irish British eureka moment

Hi Mayumashu I think I've finally worked out the best solution to resolve the disagreement on this category. We should split this category into Category:People of Irish descent in Great Britain, and Category:Irish people in Great Britain for people who live in Great Britain who call(ed) themselves Irish (whether they were born or grew up in the Republic of Ireland, Northern Irelandor born to ex pats abroad who now live in Great Britain). I would appreciate if you could support the new proposal at Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion#Category:Irish_British_people_to_Category:Irish-British_people__Category:Britons_of_Irish_descent_Category:Irish_diaspora_in_Great_Britain. Thanks Arniep 14:03, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Please stop!

Please stop creating new categories for traditional counties of Scotland, and re-allocating people to them from modern council areas. This has already been a subject for debate at Cfd recently, when Category:Natives of Lanarkshire was deleted. Please raise the issue at Misplaced Pages Talk:Scottish Wikipedians' notice board. We must come to a consensus on this one, because having two parallel systems is very confusing. It must be pointed out that traditional counties have not existed for 30 years, and the new council areas seem here to stay because no political party wants to change them.--Mais oui! 15:36, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

i m only relocating individuals who were dead long before there were coucil areas - it s far more confusing to have 19th century people in coucil area cats!! -Mayumashu 15:41, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

Jewish American actors

Hi, I noticed your vote on this. I just wondered whether you realised that this category contains many people in it have only one parent (or even grandparent in some cases) who was jewish, do not identify themselves as Jewish American and are in other (ethnicity)-American categories. I think it needs to be deleted because it doesn't make sense that a person who does not identify as wholly jewish could be described as a jewish american actor such as Carrie Fisher, Patricia Arquette, Robert Downey Jr., Michael Douglas. Arniep 00:26, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

it s a problem with all similar categories - the point does not warrant getting rid of the cat, just the pages you ve mentioned plus an explanation as to why you ve removed them as discussion on the page -Mayumashu 12:35, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi, thnks for your comment on the cfd page. People are being included in Jewish American categories not using the religious requirement that you have a jewish mother but regarding jewish as an ethnicity. So, even if only their father or grandfather was jewish they are being added to this category. It just seems totally non sensical to have people described as jewish american actors if they do not identify as jewish and are also of mixed ancestry like Harrison Ford, Carrie Fisher, Michael Douglas, people like these should be in a category like Americans with Jewish ancestry to avoid these sorts of labelling problems, the same should be done for all the other ethnicity categories. Arniep 13:01, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

American geography by state

You agreed with me that Category:Hawaiian geography should be renamed Category:Geography of Hawaii. I have now nominated all the American states for renaming, and if you could find the time to vote in favour, I would be very grateful. CalJW 23:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Pat Lowther

We've been through the thing about Misplaced Pages's categorization rules before: Category:Vancouverites is already a subcategory of Category:People from British Columbia; accordingly, a person cannot be simultaneously filed in both categories. Bearcat 04:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

North Vancouver is a separate city and Category:Vancouverites is necessarily both for people of Vancouver and Greater Vancouver, thus the overlapping -Mayumashu 04:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

If you feel strongly that the possibility of confusion exists, the other alternative would be to put her in "People from British Columbia" instead of "Vancouverites"; the fundamental problem is that if you worked hard enough, you could find a reason for absolutely every article on Misplaced Pages to get exempted from the categorization rules. If a category scheme creates too many problems of this type, it doesn't mean we should allow exception after exception; it means the category is badly thought out and should be fundamentally restructured. Bearcat 04:16, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

having her in both is a perfectly fine exception to allow and there aren t that many (perhaps 5%) of pages catting people by their province/city of origin that have this kind of overlap. not everything is always black and white - shades of grey do exist - Mayumashu 04:22, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

No, it really isn't; Misplaced Pages rules are quite explicit that we just don't simultaneously file an article in both a subcategory and a parent of that same subcategory. When it comes to categorization, a shade of grey just means the contrast needs to be sharpened. Categories should be defined and structured in such a way that "exemptions" are never even needed. Bearcat 07:19, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

then these so-called rules may need to further evolve to reflect realities that exist. there are other cases too. most states have a state writer's subcat. but if a writer happens to also be an actor too, then she or he should rightly appear in both the sub-cat for state writers and its parent cat for people from the state. the rules are but rules of thumb anyway and can be changed given a great enough collective will. User:Bearcat, i come across your edits and commits fairly often and i can tell you we re of different minds on many issues - i know we re not going to sway the other person to change their mind. to sort out the Vancouverite sub cat issue without an overlap, i ll go and start up sub-sub-cats for North Vancouver, New Westminister, Maple Ridge, and other small cities in the Greater Vancouver area despite feeling personally that they are rather smally populated to have cat for the time being - ideally though i d like to all cities eventually have a cat for its natives/inhabitants so now will suffice. i hope despite our differences no hard feelings at all. Regards, -Mayumashu 02:44, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

James Creelman

How funny that you're related. I'm actually just now reading a book called The Yellow Kids about Creelman and other contemporaries. It's fascinating stuff. Feel free to expand the stub if you can; I plan on expanding it quite a lot when I find time next. · Katefan0 16:06, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

cats for Alyn McCauley

Hi, just wondering if there's any particular reason for your change of ] to ] (without capitalizing the second C). The C definitely is capitalized... Heck I just saw him playing a game against the Leafs last night on HNIC and his sweater definitely had it capitalized. (Very technically speaking, I suspect the first C should be in superscript, resulting in MCauley, but that's a minor detail).

The name after the pipe isn't displayed on the category page, so I suppose it doesn't really matter, but I'm just curious if there's a rule I should know about. --Qviri 19:33, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the explanation! --Qviri 04:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

AfD for Kerri Yascheshyn

You goofed the AfD for Kerri Yascheshyn, putting the text inside your AfD for Horses Eat sugar. I'll fix it. Jamie 10:51, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

NS Communities Project...

Would you like to join the Nova Scotia Misplaced Pages project I am about to start with PlasmaEast? We are planning on launching a NS Community templates for Counties, Towns/Municipalities, and HRM, similar to the template that started appearing this week on county pages Halifax County, Nova Scotia. Also, have a bi-weekly "Nova Scotia Project Page" to focus efforts. Interested?WayeMason 11:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

sure. templates is not really my interest but they look good to me Mayumashu 23:25, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Good! Templates are just my thing. I feel strongly that we could focus our work a bit and bring the whole Nova Scotia section to a higher standard. WayeMason 23:33, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Discussion has started on the talk:WikiProject Nova Scotia article, please head over there and watch the project page! WayeMason 00:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

Category:Canadian university and college chief executives

Hi Mayumashu,

I am in the process of merging the categories Category:Canadian university and college rectors, Category:Canadian university chancellors and presidents, and Category:Canadian university and college principals and vice-presidents into the new Category:Canadian university and college chief executives. I find it very confusing to have three categories for essentially the same position with just different names. I have also created the Category:Canadian university and college chancellors since this is more of an honorary position. Let me know if you have any issues with this.

--YUL89YYZ 18:04, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

sounds great. i rather hastily created them without having sorted out the distinctions such as the one you mention of chancellors being rather ceremonial. appreciate that you mailed me on it too. best regards, Mayumashu 09:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Dr.Ann Duggan

Hey, I was wondering if you can comment on this page since you have added to it. Thanks!

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ann_Duggan

Anakinskywalker 7:30, 06 January 2006 (UTC)

i simply added a category. i d have to say i don t think she s notable enough, so i ll refrain from voting. regards Mayumashu 10:16, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Page Blanking

On 18-Jan, you blanked Columbusites. Your edit summary stated that redirects to categories are inappropriate. While that's true, page blanking is also a bad idea. I've changed it to be a redirect to List of people associated with Columbus, Ohio. Thanks! -- JLaTondre 15:23, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Cinema in scotland

Have you seen this re-nomination at Cfd: Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_January_28#Category:Cinema_of_Scotland_--.3E_Category:Scottish_actors_and_filmmakers--Mais oui! 04:33, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Aboriginal peoples in Canada

Hi Mayumashu. What was your logic for putting Category:Asian Canadians as a supercategory of Category:Aboriginal peoples in Canada?

If you're referring to the idea that aboriginal peoples came across the Pacific from Asia, well, that's true, but it happened so long ago that classifying them as "Asians" doesn't make sense. By extending the same logic a few millenia backwards we might as well all be Africans. --Saforrest 21:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

hi there. you re right. i checked to see when humans migrated into Europe and like you suggest it only happened recently, c.40 000 years ago compared to the migration of proto-Native Canadians, Americans, etc. which was 15 000 to 30 000 years ago. i think you ve raised a perfect point for changing the sub-catting i did. i ll change it and apologies for my not checking to see when the European migration occurred 222.228.97.207 05:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikimedia Canada

Hi there! I'd like to invite you to explore Wikimedia Canada, and create a list of people interested in forming a local chapter for our nation. A local chapter will help promote and improve the organization, within our great nation. We'd also like to encourage everyone to suggest projects for our national chapter to participate in. Hope to see you there!--DarkEvil 17:11, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Irish in GB cat vote

Hi, it would better to vote rename for this cat, otherwise someone would have to go through and change all the people in the cat by hand (the Irish in GB cat can then be recreated or just make the England Wales and Scot cats as sub cats of Irish emigrants). If the cat is renamed a bot will automatically change all the articles Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_January_30#Category:People_of_Irish_descent_in_Great_Britain. Thanks Arniep 18:06, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Football Aid

I've noticed you did an edit on Owen Hargreaves back a while ago. I nominated the article at Football Aid/Article Improvement. Maybe you can help out by voting and do more edits. Kingjeff 00:32, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

thanks but no, i m not a fan of his. took a peak though and his article looks a lot better than it did a year ago. just needs the stats table filled in Mayumashu 02:34, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Categories: Phoenixers and Tucsonans

I have proposed renaming this, for the express purpose that people from Phoenix, Arizona are not called Phoenixers at all. The proper usage, as attested in all local newspapers, is "Phoenician". However, this coincides with the adjective for residents of ancient Phoenicia as well. (Also see 1 2 3 4) The only people who refer to residents of Phoenix as Phoenixers are out-of-towners, and the vast majority of hits for "Phoenixers" on Google refer to clubs based in Britain.

Similarly, the proper term for a resident of Tucson, Arizona is not Tucsoner, but Tucsonan (see 1 2 3).

Both of these terms (Phoenician and Tucsonan) are widely attested in local media, whereas Phoenixer and Tucsoner are absent. I think this is pretty good grounds for speedy renaming.

Cheers! -- Miwa 22:40, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Andrew Carnegie

Hi. I reverted your category blanking on Andrew Carnegie. It sounded from your edit summary that you were seeing the categories as redlinks or something, but they are valid categories as far as I can tell. If I read your summary wrong, feel free to explain more what you're trying to do. Thanks! :) --Syrthiss 13:09, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

hi. no,　his category page Category:Andrew Carnegie already links or should link to these same category pages whose links i blanked. its just rather needless duplication Mayumashu 13:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. I think from a categorization point of view, his article should have the categories applied to it. When his category (which is kind of odd in itself) has categories applied to it, that makes it a subcategory of those categories. So, I'd rather see Category:Steel Magnates point to Andrew Carnegie than Category:Andrew Carnegie because there are no other steel magnates that would go into the subcategory Category:Andrew Carnegie. Does that make sense? If so, I'll try to move some of those categories from the Category:Andrew Carnegie over to the article. While there is some duplication, it isn't complete. --Syrthiss 14:33, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

i agree that there is some oddity in it and think what you suggest doing here is good Mayumashu 02:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually non-straightforward category name changes

Hi there, I just lodged a "complaint" about the "nationals by ethnicity" category name changes which unfortunately happened before I was aware of the related discussion and vote. Please take a look at the comment, and feel free to respond, at the Norwegian Canadians category talk page. --Wernher 23:24, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Category:People from Oakland

Hi. Can you inform me as to why Category:People from Oakland was redirected to Category:Oaklanders? This doesn't seem to make any sense to me. I could be wrong, but I don't think "Oaklander" is a word that is used by anyone other than the person who created this cat. —Viriditas | Talk 00:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. the term 'Oaklanders' is used in like the fourth paragraph of the article Oakland, California, so it seems at least some people use the demonym. Mayumashu 02:56, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the response. As it turns out, the City of Oakland and the media (Oakland Tribune) use the term on their websites, but I don't think anyone from Oakland ever uses the term, nor have I ever heard someone from Oakland refer to themselves as an "Oaklander". —Viriditas | Talk 03:46, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

interesting. i personally like using the demonyms because they tidy up page names but there is the issue of their dissuse amongst everyday folk. there was a vote on the issue of using demonyms for people of California sub-cat pages back in the autumn, which ended no consensus to change, hence the redirect as it is - to get a date for that vote and debate see the history of the Category:Oaklanders page (i checked and the debate occurred around 27 Nov. '05). best regards Mayumashu 03:54, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Robyn Regehr

As regards you saying there's no evidence he holds Brazilian citizenship... he was born in Brazil, and a quick Google on the subject says Brazil, like most countries, automatically grants citizenship to anyone born in the country, regardless of the parents' nationality.

That said, I haven't re-added the category you removed since I highly doubt he identifies himself as "Canadian-Brazilian". But just thought you should be aware that many countries grant citizenship by birth and unless he has renounced it Regehr is indeed a Brazillian citizen, as well as Canadian. --Legalizeit 08:57, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

thanks for the info. i would then prefer to have him listed as a Canadian-Brazilian and will restore the cat link as i think self-identication is too vague a way of determing the matter Mayumashu 11:00, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Indianapolitans

I see you created Category:Indianapolitans. I have lived in Indianapolis for 28 years and have never heard the term "Indianapolitan". Where did that come from? --rogerd 16:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi. it seems to be the most commonly used demonym to refer to people from Indy - a search gets 50 or so unique hits. demonyms allow the page names to be more concise as well as less "sterile" - the problem is though that demonyms are (i m now learning) not so commonly used in some (perhaps many) Ameican cities. go ahead and put it up name-change nomination if you feel "people from indianapolis" is a more appropriate way to name the page Mayumashu 05:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, before I do, I will do some more research. My wife, who was born here (I came after college), has also not heard the term. There is no need to act in haste. --rogerd 05:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

C. S. Lewis

Please don't remove categories like this. Both are accurate. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:11, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

other categories links listed on this page (such as Category:Irish writers or Category:Natives of Belfast) are sub-categories for the supra-category Category:Irish people. it is conventional practice across the encyclopedia to not list supra-category links on article pages Mayumashu 14:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Sorry for th misunderstanding, but a more accurate edit summary would have avoided this; you wrote "removed improper cat link", which – in light of the current debate on the Talk page – didn't look as though you were merely pruning parent categories. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:17, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

that was for a second edit of my own goof - i had added an improper cat link, realized it later, and then edited it out. i made two edits and the first edit summary i gave, "removed supra cat link, ..." accurately describes my removing the category:Irish people link. (i see that the supra-cat link has been re-removed) Mayumashu 01:57, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Prospector categories

Someone created Category:Prospectors today and peopled it mainly with Australian gold rush prospectors. While poking around, I noticed you had previously created Category:Gold prospectors, with only William Barker (prospector) in it, who was also put in the new category. I made the Gold prospectors category a sub of the new one & categorized the new one under mining. I'm thinking of putting in four or five Klondike Gold Rush figures in one of the two categories, but before I do that, I'm wondering whether we should merge the two categories at this point, given the relatively small number of articles. What are your thoughts? Luigizanasi 06:43, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

thanks for asking. i guess merging given the small number of prospector bios out there would be the better choice, but i wouldn t be bothered the slightest either way. regards Mayumashu 11:34, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

After giving it some thought and poking around a bit more, I think we should keep both categories as they can both easily be populated a bunch of people who already have articles. Luigizanasi 15:05, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Ken Babstock

Hi! Do you know that being from Newfoundland is incidental to Ken? Just wondering. --Robert Turner 16:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

hello. my point on the matter of "people from" category pages is that a person is not from a place he or she wasn t raised in. it s where a person is raised that contributes to how they become "shaped" as people. Mayumashu 01:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi again. Your point is well taken, however that distinction seems a bit arbitrary. A person's birthplace can also shape them even if they are raised somewhere else. Giving a rather depressing example, suppose someone survived the bombing of Nagasaki as an infant, was raised in Toledo, and suffered from radiation sickness their whole life? Would they not be 'shaped' by their birthplace? I'm sure that any survey of biographical literature will reveal many other kinds of less dramatic but still significant 'birthplace-only' influences.

Perhaps most importantly, people are shaped by their internal imagery, which can crystallize around a tiny kernal of information. My point is that the statement "that he was born in Newfoundland is incidental - he was raised in Ontario and is therefore native to to there" has an authoritative tone to it which I am challenging. KB has travelled to - and written poems about - Newfoundland, and I don't think that's just by chance. --Robert Turner 16:49, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Northern Irish people

Hi. Please take a look at my comment on your rename nomination Misplaced Pages:Categories for deletion/Log/2006 April 1#Category:Northern Ireland people to Category:People of Northern Ireland. Thanks. --Mal 20:47, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages survey

Hi. I'm doing a survey of Misplaced Pages editors as part of a class research project. It's quick, anonymous, and the data will be made available to the Misplaced Pages community later this month. Would you like to take part? More info here. Thanks! Nonplus 23:57, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Canadian musicians categorization effort

Hi, I notice you were responsible for creating and populating much of the structure under Category:Canadian musicians. Just thought that you may be interested to know that we're currently continuing to build on this structure at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Musicians/Categorization. –Unint 03:43, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Country subdivisions

...IMO splitting the cats into a group of "Administatrive divisions of some countries" and "Political divisions of some other countries" is not useful.

could you maybe change your vote on Misplaced Pages:Categories_for_deletion/Log/2006_April_4#Category:Subdivisions_by_country_to_Category:Political_divisions_by_country

and let's discuss this on the project page

Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Subnational_entities/Naming#Umbrella_terms

first? It is really is mass rename, since it not only involves the cats and subcates but also lots of articles. As Lorenz pointed out it seems important that we first find clear definitions of what all the terms mean. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 07:22, 9 April 2006 (UTC)