Misplaced Pages

Revision as of 07:46, 9 April 2006

Welcome!

Hello, Avg, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

• The five pillars of Misplaced Pages
• How to edit a page
• Help pages
• Tutorial
• How to write a great article
• Manual of Style

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  --Terence Ong 05:51, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Hello

Γειά, βλέπω ότι και εσύ είσαι Έλληνας στην Αγγλία - ελάτε να γίνουμε πολλοί :-) --Latinus 19:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Den iparhi kanonismos pu lei tetyo pragma. Aplos epidi to arthro ya to kratos tus ine eki, ya na mi fenete i Misplaced Pages shitsofrenis, ehi epikratisi na to leme Dimokratia Makedonias. --Latinus 20:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Γειά σου Avg,

It's a waste of time trying to communicate to these people.

This user 87.202.109.36 is actually posting from Athens

As far as admission to EU is concerned, no country can join EU under a name that could cause any sovereignty problems to another country-state. This was the case of Great Britain. In 1973 joined the EU under the name of UK so as not to infringe with Brittany, the French teritory. Do you know any details about this? Odysses (☜) 17:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably a FYROMian activist living in Athens :-)

In 1973 was the third attempt. Previous two attempts were rejected. (Britain's membership was vetoed by French president Charles De Gaulle in January 1963). This article doesn't mention anything about the name, which I've heard of from an older BBC program.Odysses (☜) 19:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Umm, no. That's completely wrong. The constitutional name of the UK is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", which is the name by which the country is recognised internationally. Great Britain is just the biggest of the country's various islands. There was never any issue with France about the name "Brittany", which isn't even an administrative entity. -- ChrisO 20:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, you might want to check this as well.--Avg 01:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:3RR

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Jkelly 23:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

As' to - den ehi simasia. Min to xanaepanaferis, den ehi noima... tha su valun frayi an to xanaepanaferis. --Latinus 23:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no compromise made gia ta Skopia, sunexise na to epanafereis. Prosexe mono min paraviaseis ton kanona. --Hectorian 01:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

otan les selida tis Elladas, ennoeis tin poli tou vorra?kai,btw, eisai gavros?:P --Hectorian 02:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Oxi,na min upotheseis!ki egw panathinaikos eimai:)den eimai thessa/kios...Sunexise toso kala opws ta pas twra kai an xreiasteis voitheia pouthena pes mou. thanks kai sto demographics of greece. prospathisan na xanavaloun tin pigi, alla tin evgala pali giati einai entelws asxeti! --Hectorian 02:26, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

concerning what article? --Dipazi 01:55, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

can you be more specific please --Dipazi 01:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

ΠΑΟ είσαι ρε φίλε η μήπως υπάρχει κάποιο spelling mistake και εννοούσες ΠΑΟΚ ; -? - Politis 14:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Κάποτε ήμουνα ΠΑΟΚάρα με άρματα και βυζαντινή στολή, τώρα δεν παρακολουθώ καθόλου εκτός εάν κάποια ελληνική ομάδα πάει Ευρώπη. Όσον αφορά τους μακεντονσκιοπιανούς , γιατί αποφεύγουν την γλώσσα του Αλέξανδρου; Αλλά που θα πάει, κάποτε θα τους την δώσει και θα ξέρουν τα ελληνικά καλύτερα από εμάς. Εγώ τους πάω και έχουν γούστο, αν και μερικοί είναι τόσο μπερδεμένοι όσον αφορά την ταυτότητά τους που το ρίχνουν σε βιαιότητες λες και βρουν κάποια άκρη. Politis 15:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, could you check your e-mail. Edwy 13:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah - OK ;-) Edwy 13:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Efyga pote apo to club kai den to xerw?:) --Hectorian 22:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Xereis twra...sti xwra tou eisai mallon...aftoi einai ligotero ethnikistes: den miloun gia ta provlimata me tous geitones tous, apla pairnoun ta opla kai polemoun 3,000 (kai vale) km makria :p --Hectorian 23:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

hello there

I've just noticed that your are fr:4 - any chance you could help with Scanderbeg? I have found this french bio however I cannot understand french at all. Thanks! talk to +MATIA 11:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you could take a look at the talk pages and/or try to get rid of "citation needed" tags, or whatever else you might find appropriate to improve that article. talk to +MATIA 12:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

He he, den mporoun na skou3oun gia ton idio logo mallon!  NikoSilver  13:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Concerning your persistant usage of the term fyromians

{{npa}}

This ethnic group doesn't exist. You use the term to insult ethnic Macedonian users. It was pointed out many times that this term is insulting, yet you keep doing it. I think you left me with no option than to officially warn you not to do it. --Realek 16:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

There is a Greek proverb that goes: "Φωνάζει ο κλέφτης για να φοβηθεί ο νοικοκύρης" ("The thief screams to scare the landlord"). It fits perfectly here.--Avg 16:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Now I'm accused of being a thief??? Please clarify. --Realek 16:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Not you as a person. It is not a personal attack if you're trying to spin it this way. After all it is a proverb, it's meant to be taken metaphorically. It is very relevant though with your country's position: A thief is whoever appropriates something that belongs to someone else and this is what you've done with our history. I could remove completely the term thief if you find it offensive, and just say that the meaning of the proverb is: "Someone who's wrong accuses the one who's right about being wrong" --Avg 17:00, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

You cannot just return the blow when you are warned of a personal attack. I stated the reason why you were warned. You stated that you warned me for warning you. It doesn't work that way. So let me make another effort to calm things down and clear them up. There is no such thing as fyromians. The ethnic group you are talking about is called Macedonians (almost without exceptions) and never Fyromians. It was already pointed out to you that this term is extremely insulting to Macedonians. Still you persist in using this incorrect and rude term. I also noted that you use a small letter when you write it (fyromians), wich further proves you are doing it with an intent to insult. So again, I'm asking you to stop using this term. Would you be willing to do that. Furthermore I would appeal to you to remove the NPA template you placed on my discussion page without having any reason to do it. It was done only seconds after I warned you of a personal attack and I accept that you could have done it without thinking it through properly. --Realek 16:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Realek, you are confirming by your conduct that a personal attack is purely subjective. A personal attack is made to another user, so for what Avg said will have to have been directed to YOU or another Wikipedian personally. I think Avg was talking about history. The usage of the term may have been uncivil contrary to WP:CIV, but is not a personal attack as described in WP:NPA, therefore your warning is misplaced as well. --LionKing 16:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Realek, the 'thief' quip is a famous Greek proverb. I know it as, 'the thief shouts to make the home owner run away'. I am sure Avg had no intention of offending you. It is our dialogue and our questions to each other that bring us closer and helps us dispel misunderstandings. After all, we share many proverbs and sayings because we have so much in common. - Politis 16:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course I didn't want to offend Realek and I explained what the proverb means, imagine though how surprised I was to find a npa template in my talk page, when I haven't directly offended anyone!--Avg 17:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The term "fyromians" is offensive to me and other Macedonians. If you don't belive me ask them. Avg tries to hide behind his wrong conclusion that this is an "official name" for my ethnic group. That can't be further from the truth. Also I was dismisseed by LionKing, because he claims calling an ethnic group a certain name is not personal but is against a whole ethnic group (he did admit that it was uncivi however). Actually it is personal - the usage of the term represents a personal attack to many users at once. Finally the "tief and landlord" proverb might not be directed to me personally, but is in the same way as above directed towards my whole ethnic group. It implies that Greeks are the landlords and that Macedonians are the thieves. In the atmosphere and context it was said I can't conclude anything else that its purpose was malicious. I'm aware that posting another NPA template in response to the new insults here and on other pages will just get me a retaliatory template on my page. I'm trying to resolve this and remain cool. Avg, I don't accept your "bargain" that I should remove the template from your page and then you will remove it from the mine. However I would gladly remove it if you stop using the term "fyromians" and introducing new insulting ones like "nonamians" and "vardarians". What do you say? --Realek 17:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Avg, you made edits since I posted so I know you are still here. I'm still awaiting an answer and hope for a civilized solution. Please don't ignore my goodwill. --Realek 17:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Νονέμιανς, που τα βρίσκει αυτά ο κόσμος; με συγχωρείς, αλλά δεν μπορώ να σταματήσω να γελάω. Politis 18:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

{{npa3}}

The term Fyromians doesn't exist and it is considered highly insulting for my nation. Please stop doing that or you will be reported. Bitola 16:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

You only provide me a good laugh. At least be consistent.. use npa2...--Avg 16:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Avg, I think, as a courtesy, you shouldn't use that term to refer to people. As you have been asked to do it, just stop. Use the serious scientific term "Macedonian Slavs" if you really don't want to call them "Macedonians". I see Bitola has been abusing NPA tags just like Realek, I had a word about this with ChrisO the other day. Delete them if you want, policy does not require you to keep misplaced tags; calling people "Fyromians" is not a personal attack, despite the fact that there is a concerted attempt to present it as such - Misplaced Pages is not censored (sadly) and there are many ugly examples of this. Edwy 16:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Also, it cracks me up when people use terms like "my nation", "my country", "my fatherland" :-))) Edwy 16:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps I'll leave the tags for a while, because I WANT an administrator to come and see what these guys are doing. --Avg 16:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Avg, kita to ilektroniko su tahidromio se liga lepta - OK? Edwy 16:36, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Yati pas ke grafis anoisies. Den epitrepete na tus les etsi, ya afto min tus les etsi, den iparhi dikeoloyia. An to ksanakanis, tha su valun frayi. I epiloyi dikia su ine. Edwy 17:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Please reply

I'm asking both Bitola and Realek and whoever else is offended by the term "Fyromians", which word do you want me to use that does not include the term "Macedonians"? I do not want to offend you, really and I'm perfectly honest at that. --Avg 17:09, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

The ethnic group in question calls itself Macedonians. However, their first president Kiro Gligorov is known to call them "Macedonian Slavs" and Encarta Encyclopedia uses it. However, I think that this would not find favour with them either, I think you are asking a silly question, just be polite and don't mention them at all. I sure can survive when calling them "Macedonians" when needed so maybe you need to change your approach. Edwy 17:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

I can abandon Fyromians right away. I was trying to be objective and not offensive: My new options would be either "Skopjans" or "Vardarians". But I'm open to other suggestions as well.--Avg 17:23, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Tha stamatisis! Stamata tis anoisies, i tha tus les opos thelun (i opos su ipa prin) i tha fas frayi! Ethnikistika sholia den epitreponde ke ego tora su leo oti ekana oti borusa. Tora oti pis, diki su efthini ine - ego pos boro ke tus leo opos thelun? Kane oti nomizis kalitero, ke an tus dosis ti hara na fas frayi, esi tha ftes. Kali diaskadasi! Edwy 17:26, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Yati den mu apandises? Edwy 17:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Allo 8ema

Biazesai ligoulaki (genika). O filos mas pou ekane th diagrafh sth syzhthsh, dex8hke mhnyma apo kapoion allo ths idias xwras, pou elege oti ayto pou ekane htan atimo giati ellhnes e8nikistes tou exoun dhmiourghsei megalo baros sto ar8ro pou anaferei. Aytos apanthse ston allo oti den a3izei na tsakwnesai me tous ellhnes e8nikistes. Profanws xrhsimopoihse thn orologia tou allou. En pasei periptwsei, den ennoouse emas, alla kapoious sto allo ar8ro (pou den to exw dei kan). Esy phges kai tou ebales mphxth. H gnwmh mou einai zhta tou sygnwmh.  NikoSilver  17:23, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Na sai kala. Milaw italika kai katalabainw th glwssa tous me ligo boh8eia apo online metafrastika. Prepei na tsekareis tis pro8eseis kapoiou prin tou grapseis mphxth. Akoma ki an sth leei, h filikh proseggish einai pio pi8anh na lysei to 8ema. Ki egw hmoun trellamenos sthn arxh kai eskouza, alla katalaba oti laou-laou ginetai kalytera h douleia. Des poso diakritika tou thn eipa sto twk, pou den ante3e kai zhthse syggnwmh. Kane to idio, giati 8a to exei dei, kai giati 8a ais8anetai "tou to xrwstas" apo to mk.  NikoSilver  17:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Pes tou oti ekanes ena adiko sxolio giayton apo kekthmenh taxythta dioti diabases kai katalabes monon 2 le3eis. Sth synexeia diafwtisthkes kai to esbhses kai elpizeis na mhn sou krata kakia.  NikoSilver  17:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

No problem

Thanks for letting me know, I wasn't actually watching his talk page :) No hard feelings, I'm sorry I got into the argument in the first place. - FrancisTyers 17:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Avge, boris na skasis ke na min ta les. Prospatho na embodiso frayi ke sinahizis. Tha ti fas ke asi tha ftes. Telieone! Edwy 21:12, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Mi tus ksanaanaferis! Mi milas ya simvivasmus ke anoisies. Mi tu milas, ute na kanis report. Edwy 21:21, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Su ipa na min kanis, yati to ekanes. Svisto! Ego prospatho na se vgalo apo belades ke esi de voithas katholu. Edwy 21:40, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi Avg, please understand that any use of terms Fyromian, Skopian, BulgaroSkopian… including your last proposal FYROM national is highly insulting to me. Try to consider what you would think and do if someone was using an insulting term for a Greek person (people that I appreciate after all), for example Fopogian of FOPOG national (FOPOG=Former Ottoman Province of Greece). I hope you will refrain in the future from using insulting terms, that way avoiding boring reports on the admin notice boards and showing a good faith.Bitola 07:46, 9 April 2006 (UTC)