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Archive 2006 (various things)

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Hello, DDima, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

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Ukrainian topics

I addition to the standard generic greeting above, let me add a link to Ukraine portal at Misplaced Pages where you can find several links of interest if you want to contribute to the Ukraine-related topics. Similarly, there is a sister Russia portal since many editors contribute to the topics of both countries. --Irpen 05:55, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I resored Golden-Domed. In the future, please do not forget to sign in. It would then be easier to resolve any issues like that in the future. --Irpen

Khreschatyk for DYK and FA

Hi. I'm going to suggest your Khreschatyk for both the DYK and the FA (although never did). Starting this page was just great! Please help further editing and promoting with whatever you can do and as soon as you can (DYK can't wait). Thanks, Ukrained 23:12, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

Allow me

Wow! I am honored! Thanks for the wonderful award Irpen! I wasn't expecting any since I just joined Misplaced Pages, but it really made my day. :)) --DDima 02:32, 11 January 2006 (UTC).

You are welcome :). Please continue your good work. See comments on talk:Khreschatyk which we all greatly expaned, BTW. Also, please consider enabling your email as right now your "email this user" button is disabled. --Irpen 02:36, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Dima, thanks for the excellent images you uploaded. Since they are not linked to any articles, as of now, there is a danger that they may get forgotten orphaned. If you can't think of any articles to put them too now, the way to prevent them from getting lost would be to upload the to Wikimedia in one of the Kiev related cats, like http://commons.wikimedia.org/Kiev or http://commons.wikimedia.org/Category:Kiev. Still, finding an article for them, or writing one, if it doesn't exist would be ideal. This is just a suggestion, of course. I am simply taking an effort that your images get some exposure. Being simply uploaded may not bring them any. --Irpen 21:13, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I just added the Hidropark image Media:Kyiv_1002.jpg to the Hidropark article. Maybe it would be a good idea to add the Kievo-Pechersko Lavra image Media:Kyiv_Lavra_View_003.jpg to the Kiev Pechersk Lavra article? --DDima 21:22, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

I created a new Category:Images of Ukraine and tagged your images. Hopefully, that cat will be found useful. --Irpen 03:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. --DDima 04:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Creating articles

Again, thanks for your work. A comment, if I may to the articles you are creating. Some of them where on my todo list and I am happy to see that others do the work. One thing to think over though. We have a problem with too few editors writing for Ukrainian topics and one way to attract editors in WP, a project largely of the anglophones, is to give the Ukrainian topics extra prominence. One can get the best prominence at Misplaced Pages by sneaking UA-related articles to the mainpage. There are two ways to do it: the long and honorable one, but very time consuming, is to produce articles that can be voted to WP:Featured status by a community. Those may become the article of the day and will attract attention of many editors to Ukraine. Producing the featured article is obviously difficult and we have only limited resources. The second solution (a sneaky workaround) is to get Ukrainian articles to a WP:DYK window of the mainpage. This window features some interesting trivia but has one strict limitation, only trivia covered in recently created article (used to be 72 hours, now 5 days) may be featured and the articles have to be in decent shape, not necessarily close to being "featurable" but at least not to be stubs. Two of the articles you created recently have potential for WP:DYK, the European Square by the fact that it was changing its name 8 times in 200 years (see talk and refs) and Andrew's Descent due to the Richard the Lion Heart building there.

The DYK would look something like this:

Did you know...

• ...that the European Square in Kiev, the capital of Ukraine was known under seven different names (under one of them twice) in the last 200 years?
• ...that one of the buildings at the Andrew's Descent, a historic street of Kiev, is called by the locals the "Palace of Richard the Lion Heart" a 12th century King of England?

Since you created the articles already, the clock of their being DYKable is ticking fast. Would you help develop them? I would be happy to do this on my own since I love the Kiev articles and the info on the web is abundant but I have only limited time. We were succesfull to get Khreschatyk and Verkhovna Rada building to DYK recently. A good start but lots of work ahead. Cheers, --Irpen 06:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
P.S. Please do not forget to announce your articles at the Ukraine portal. --Irpen 06:03, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

I would be glad to develop them to the DYK or maybe even a featured article. But I too, have only limited time. I'll try my best on these articles as soon as I can. Thanks, --DDima 16:25, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Please do not take this as if I am telling you what to do but I take a liberty to suggest that you prepare the article in your userspace and only when it is close to be acceptable for the DYK level paste it to the mainspace. I did that with Verkhovna Rada building. Take a look at this history of user:Irpen/sb2 page! What I did was working on the draft there and contacted a copuple of wiki-friends to help me expand it there. Once it was close to be acceptible for WP:DYK, I posted it to the mainspace. For DYK the article doesn't have to be even close to the WP:Featured quality, but still not a stub, reasonably structured and with the info you would like to DYK. The reson to develop it it your own userspace is that once it is posted to mainspace the clock starts to tick with the time it could be used for DY running out quickly.

To put it shortly, please consider creating DYKable articles in your userspace first, giving me and a couple of interested parties a notice and always announce the newsly created articles at the portal at once. We had success lately with both Khreschatyk and Verkhovna Rada building featured at DYK. Hopefully we will keep doing that. Cheers, --Irpen 19:48, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

When I finished writing the Andrew's Descent article, I was thinking that I should have done the article instead on my user page. It'll be easier getting pages done on the user space to DYK status. Now, I'll do them in my User:DDima/sb2 space. Thanks for the advice, --DDima 20:14, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Dima, I am now trying to write for Andrew's Descent and can't really concentrate, too many distractions of everyday life. BTW, pls enable your email in prefs or just drop me an email through "email this user" link. Perhaps, we could coordinate with this article. Thanks, --Irpen 01:34, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Hi Irpen, I enabled my email in the preferences. Feel free to email me. Thanks, --DDima 01:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, please check it now. --Irpen 02:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Templates

Hi. Please do not create single use templates, like Template:Infobox Chernivtsi. For more information, see: Misplaced Pages:Infobox templates. Thank you. bogdan 19:41, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Hi, I personally don't see any problems with having single-use templates, but it really doesn't matter to me, just as long as the info on the infoboxes is still on the articles. If you really want to, then we can substitute the infoboxes and then delete them just like you proposed on tfd. Cheers, --DDima 20:26, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, here's what I propose: you make a template with variables, then you can replace everywhere so that the previous single-use templates can be deleted, how's that? Right now, this is going to be a heck of a mess to work out. Don't forget to add the Infobox to Misplaced Pages:Infobox templates. Circeus 16:54, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Metro maps

Hey not bad work for Dnepropetrovsk and Krivoi Rog. However I would ask you to expand on the version, maybe converting them into svgs or making them image wholly, i.e. adding a logo and a legend. The problem is these systems are single lined, so we do need to keep the template for the future articles on stations. Also do you mind if I edit the version of the maps like I did on Kiev Metro (here). Cheers. --Kuban Cossack 16:42, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll try to add the logos and converting them into svg format. And just like you said, we should keep the templates for the future articles on stations. Also, I don't mind if you or others edit the versions of the maps. Thanks again, --DDima 18:06, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Kuban kazak, there is no need to put two types of English labels (i.e. translation from Ukrainian, and translation from Russian) on one map, as you did with Kiev metro map. What may be needed is English labels and Ukrainian labels. The Ukrainian labels are actually present on metro/tram stations, so an English-only speaker can easly match a map with his current location.--Anonymous 05:51, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

In Kharkov and in Krivoi Rog Russian is definetely present in the labels as it is on Dnepropetrovsk. Kiev might be different but I do solidly remember Ploshchad Lva Tolstogo written on the wall. Me and ddima actually draw maps and write articles. Seriously get a life. --Kuban Cossack 09:43, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Cossack, please be civil. DDima, do you want to get together on Kiev tram? I am tired of edit warring on political articles and could use a break in the form of a non-politically involved article or two. I know relatively little on the subject, but I love Kiev, everything connected to it and there is sufficient amount of info online. How about user talk:DDIma/Kiev tram as a location to start working on the draft? --Irpen 16:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, Kuban, but look who is talking. "Kuban kazak is innocent" was a joke of the month. Whenever you touch an article it creates problems. Basically you managed to conver metro articles (otherwise rather technical articles) into a fight. The discussion page of Kiev metro is at least 10 times bigger than the article itself.

Going back to the point, you are wrong on the language of metro labels in Kharkiv, Dnipropetrovsk, and Kiev. They are exclusively in Ukrainian, which is the official language of the country. In Kiev, it's not "ploschad", but "Ploscha Lva Tolstogo", who was a great Russian writter btw.

What you don't understand is that with your Russian language pushing in the articles of nearby countries (Ukraine, Belarus, Poland) you are only getting the exactly opposite effect.--Anonymous.

Дим, прости что тут один так решил зас...ть твою страницу...

1. They are exclusively in Ukrainian - tsk, tsk, tsk Kharkov, Krivoi Rog, Krivoi Rog 2... and, на закуску, Kiev... Would you like more pics, i'll be happy to provide them...:)
2. Whenever you touch an article it creates problems Kiev Metro, Kharkov Metro, Novosibirsk, Minsk, Yerevan, Saint-Peterburg articles were preatty much written WHOLLY by me. You don't even want to register let alone write articles, yet you are ready for edit wars. That is pathetic, and it is you who creates problems on articles that you don't even write.
3. Finally I suggest that you show a bit respect to people who actually been and lived in Ukraine. And if I were you, I would stick to articles on Minnesota.--Kuban Cossack 17:12, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
4. "Kuban kazak is innocent" was a joke of the month - Well when William put that comment up on the AN/3RR I did laughed, if it was a joke, it was a good one...hey its good that there is finally something we both agree on...:))) --Kuban Cossack 17:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Дима, думаю, не стоит говорить, кто этот один который с...т на все что видит :)

Хмм я бы на его месте перекинул на страницу участника которого обсуждаем раз про метросхемы забыли :)

Кубан, a ведь в свое время ты вот точно также и мою страничну обос..л.

А ты про какую? :)) ... но намек мой пойми...дурень.

Well, with respect to the photos, bring them with a date the photo was taken. You live in the past.

2004 when I was last in Kiev, there was a clear дь, as was Золотые Ворота ,

Seems stange, as they did convert it on most stations. The next time I'm in Kyiv I'll check it out. I was there in January, but I didn't pay attention on such details. Now it looks like I should. :)

Well I was in Kharkov three months ago and the only stations that did not have Russian were ones opened in 1995 and 2004. The voice announcements are in Ukrainian, mostly. However there was a time when the train was diverting to the depot and the driver, in Russian said for the passengers to leave the train. :)) Most of the schematics are in Russian. --Kuban Cossack 20:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

With respect to the metro articles, you did write something. You even wrote that the second exit on Hydropark is planned to be opened in 1990, while today is year 2006 and the exit is already there for 15 years. So, what did you do when someone tries to correct it? The answer is: . You write nonsense, then stick to it, then claim you wrote the WOLLY article. :)

Check the history who created the article.

Again, as the example above illustraites that you write nonsense and then defend it. And at the end you claim you wrote the whole article. Each time I see something like "Russian names are still used in Russian literature", as you wrote in Kiev metro, I laugh.

In that case compare the poor stub before I came and after, and the line articles were mine...

I am editing articles I'm interested in. Ukraine is my home country. Do you really think I'll stop doing it because Kuban kazak told me to do so? How can I stop editing them if you are the one who does not respect any nations other then Russians. As a recent example, you are the one who is erasing city names in other languages, but bringing in Russian on anything you see, including Western Ukrainian cities. Go add it on Warsaw or Riga. :) I'm telling you that it's your attitude toward others that creates a response, and what you don't undestand that all what you do is creating the response. --Anonymous

Erasing city names? Yes erasing Hungarian and Yiddish from Lviv (note my spelling pattern btw) is justified. Erasing Russian from Lutsk is not. Btw I lived for four and a half years in Volhynia and my wife is from Rivne:). Believe Now if you if you want to edit create a bloody account and start editing seriously instead of this pestering around. --Kuban Cossack 19:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I lived in Moscow region for some time. Should I add Ukrainian name to Moscow? The same for Lutsk. As you lived there you know that Russian is irrelevant for the city. It's regardless of whether you add it to the wikipedia article or not. People in Volhynia are not evil or something. They want to live their life, speak there language. That's it.

I know that people in Volhynia are not evil. In that case why would I marry a Volhynian and live there for several years? But it is not about the language that is spoken, and actually Russian is commonly heard, particulary amongst the younger generation. The point is, Russian may not be official language of Ukraine but it is widespread and in some cases more common than Ukrainian. Polish is relevant to most Ukrainian places due to historical reasons, as is Russian. Does adding German name in Kalingrad heading insult the Russophone and Russian population of the city? No because Like Луцк, Koenigsberg is a relevant historical name.

But, Kazak, I don't want to go into personal issues. I didn't comment your bloody support for Lukashenko, your voting for Communists but now supporting Imperial Russia (by Romanov flag), your wife's voting for Vitrenko, etc. That's your personal views. But leave alone my personality. Don't mess with Minnesota in particular, or anything else. As a first step, are we clear on that? And look, with Minsk metro we get to something. Just don't push Russian in Ukraine topic beyond the reality. --Anonymous

REGISTER, and people will at least respect you as user not as a pest. Remind with Minsk Metro. Noone is pusing Russian into Ukraine, its you who is pushing Russian out of Ukraine, that is when I get viscous especially after results like this: ...--Kuban Cossack 20:54, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Kazak, anonymous, you are both somewhat right and largely wrong, IMO. One thing is that Kazak's useful contribution to article is undeniable. He not only adds Russian names but adds content, similar to the anonymous who also doesn't only delete Russian names but also writes from time to time. That Kazak writes more for Ukrainian topics than some of our patriots just shows that he is more committed to Misplaced Pages than his opponents.

Kazak, would you mind if I move this stuff to your talk page? I don't think Dima needs it and I would have moved it to my compatriot's talk but he doesn't have one. If I see no objections, I will either move this to Kazak's talk or to an arbitraty created page, like user talk:UA_MN or smth similar. Then, anon would know where to read my suggestions, which would also be good. Dima, you needn't take any action. --Irpen 18:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)