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• Talks about Kven Issue

Bonny trolls again on WP:ANI. --Ghirla 12:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Stewart

Thanks for the many Stewart entries on LoPbN, which i'll fold in appropriately. But i am shocked to discover that an editor whose name i've been seeing for so long would be so clueless as to do a cut&paste merge. Even if others had not, prior to your steps, irresponsibly removed multiple legitimate sections (whose absence should BTW have alerted you to look at the history, confirm it, and refrain from a destructive merge, if not restore them yourself), you should have either

• moved the content, requested a history merge be done, and made sure that it gets done, or
• request both the history and content move, and leave them both to someone else.

But again, thanks for all those names; i can find time to reformat them, but going around search for the Dabs deserving inclusion is beyond my capacity, so that part of what you did is just great.
--Jerzy•t 20:17, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

• It certainly is a problem, which has had some discussion. Reasons for separate lists:
  1. LoPbN IMO must continue to be strictly alpha-order (for people w/ both given and sur- names); for many big people-Dab pages, a good organization is to have sections for people having similar causes of notability, and some Dabs (Arbuthnot/Arbuthnott comes to mind) should probably de-emphasize exact spelling; conversely, it may be worth treating Schon and Schön in separate sections of the same Dab page, while on LoPbN it is impracticable IMO to do anything but interleave them as if o and ö were indistinguishable.
  2. Surname-first is necessary on LoPbN, but violates WP:MOSDAB and also IMO is almost always a pointless impediment on a Dab page.
  3. While WP:MOSDAB tends to encourage separating bands, titled works, and fictional characters from each other and real people, it is seldom seriously harmful and sometimes more convenient to do otherwise, while only real people can be on LoPbN. (This objection primarily addresses proposals for using transclusion in some way, to put entries for the same people on both a Dab and a LoPbN page.)
  4. A surname or full name cannot be a rdr bcz of the non-bio articles the Dab has to handle, but Dab pages that include people probably see most use by those seeking people, so forcing them to click into LoPbN (besides LoPbN having to have a less suitable format in several ways) slows down Dab'n-page usage. This burden is not limited to a single click: even a perfectly maintained LoPbN page with a perfectly maintained page-title-only lk requires a second click (on the ToC) to the needed section, and perfect maintenance of either page-title-only or page-and-section lks is a continuing process as new names are added. We presently have about 700 pages, and one experiment suggests probably only a third of existing bio articles have gotten their LoPbN entries. As expansion progresses, unmaintained section lks sometimes become effectively page-title-only ones as many section titles become obsolete. Much more often, a lk of either kind may turn into a link to an "index-only" LoPbN page, such as List of people by name: Con, requiring at least one click and occasionally two, to a page containing names, and a further click to the needed section. (I guess it would help some if a bot patrolled LoPbN What-links-here pages for lks from non-LoPbN pages, checked those for Dab tags, and offered to make (probably almost always accurate) changes to the Dab-page lks.)

The answer to the duplication problem may be bots to watch for differences among those two and the various descendants of Category:People, and build lists for attention of humans, or even maintain a database of bio articles and of Dabs that point at them, which could guide efficient maintenance efforts.

Thanks, that was a good question, and i'll probably put this part of our discussion onto a LoPbN talk page.
--Jerzy•t 22:09, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Wage slavery

Excuse me, why did you revert my changes on wage slavery? The objection to that section had been on the talk page for a year yet nobody in that time has come up with anything to support it. I think it's safe to say it's not a serious issue. -- infinity0 20:26, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Higgs boson consensus vote

There is currently a vote on the Higgs boson talk page over whether or not to merge the pop culture references article with the main article. I noticed you've previously contributed to the debate, so your vote would be helpful in establishing a consensus (or, perhaps, a vote of "no consensus", in which case the problem will be referred to AfD). Thanks! -DMurphy 21:33, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Ayatollah Khomeini

Hi, could perhaps watchlist this article and follow some of the discussions having to do with Khomeini's ideas on non-Muslims? I've added a statement from Bernard Lewis, but the name of the section has been changed and there's a {{verify}} tag placed in there. Thanks. Aucaman 05:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Compass and straightedge

Please comment. John Reid 16:35, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Привет

Kак будет "пожарная бригада" по-белорусски? Hе могу найти. Спаcибо. 195.150.224.238 17:50, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I'd say "пажарная каманда", but I am not sure. I will lok up the dictionary `'mikka (t) 18:31, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Transnistria

Mikka, at least read the discussion page before repeating the same change on the Transnistria page. Having "Romanian and Moldovan" in the 1989 census implies that they were counted as two categories which were combined in that table. I doubt that, however; it is more likely that the Romanian category did not exist or that the Romanian results were entered in the others category, in which case one could entirely ommit the name Romanian in that category. As for the 2004 census, it it probable that Moldovan was the only category available for ethnic Romanians, or there might have also been a distinct Romanian category and Mauco wants to confirm that. Meanwhile please, don't make any changes before explaining them first on the discussion page. TSO1D 14:56, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

I am with Mikka on this one. He's laid out his arguments very scientifically and certainly convinced me. If I can locate the census form and see if there is a separate category for "Romanian", then that sort of settles it. But I have not had any luck so far. - William Mauco 01:37, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Survey

I am conducting a survey on Misplaced Pages and would like to invite you to participate in the study. I've posted a message on wikien-l, but here is the link again in case you are not subscribed to that list-serv. Thanks a lot for your time! --Mermes 01:24, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

CT

Hi! Any particular reason you reverted my addition of "cock teaser" to the CT article? As I pointed out to user InShaneee, this was not vandalism but a clarification of a common term which I ran into while viewing The Day of the Locust. I didn't know what it meant, so I had to look it up, and I thought I might save others the trouble. Just FYI, I don't believe it violates any Misplaced Pages policy, as you are probably aware Misplaced Pages is not censored. Thanks for your time! MFNickster 05:56, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Crimean War

Take a look at the section entitled "From the Ottoman point of view". It looks like a POV fork to me. --Ghirla 13:32, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Evacuation of East Prussia

Pls take a look at recent discussion at its talk as well as recent edits. There may be some BS there together with the useful stuff. My familiarity of the topic is not extensive enough and mostly is limited to having been read several academic reviews to the books cited. Your input would be appreciated. -Irpen 17:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Post-Soviet_states

Umm before reverting my edits read the explanation on the discussion page. (I even cited it in my edit summary) Then, try to prove me wrong, and ONLY THEN change it. --Lenev 00:06, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

If you want something to delete, write an explanation first and ONLY THEN delete. the talk page was empty when I looked into it. Even better, wait for reaction for your suggestion of some disputable changes FIRST. `'mikka (t) 00:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

V. Volodarsky

Saw that you originated this article – thanks – and also the following here:

V. Volodarsky. I used to live at Volodarsky street, and never in my life knew that he was simply "V." mikka (t) 03:33, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

He is even Володарский, В. in Russian wiki, I fixed ru and en links. Vald 12:26, 25 November 2005 (UTC)

Does the "V." stand for anything, or is it like the "S." in "Harry S. Truman"?  Thanks, David Kernow 04:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

It was an alias and means nothing (at least I have never found anything). `'mikka (t) 06:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks; I suspected as much. Best wishes, David 23:29, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

A brick of common sense for you

For a biting deconstruction of the logical shell game used to support parapsychology, I hereby award you 1/2 of a Brick of common sense (the other half going to 67.20.18.127), the rarest and most sought-after wiki award. Raul654 20:49, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Dylan likened list

The independent article is back. Please respect the consensus, painfully worked out in this article, to break out lists like that one in their own pages.

http://en.wikipedia.org/List_of_people_likened_to_Bob_Dylan

It's been discussed on the talk page several times, and right now you're the only person who's showing any disagreement. Monicasdude 20:51, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

East Prussia

You are right in part about the controversy of the rape. Many of those women prostituted themselfs to Soviet soldiers. I shall find a document which is a complaint by Soviet commander about the situation, where he complains that his soldiers can't perform basic duties, as they are followed and harrased by German women offering all kinds of services. --Molobo 16:41, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

reverts of anons

Hi, bot driver. Please be careful when reverting vandals and ALWAYS check the previous history. In some articles there are swarms of vandals, whole stacks of them in the history. Your last revert of Sam was a bit careless. `'mikka (t) 22:25, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

This is a problem that I haven't come up with a simple solution to. As it stands, if there are multiple vandals coming from different usernames/IPs, it will require human intervention to clean up. As it would have required human intervention to clean up in any event, I don't personally see this as a great loss. It would be nice though, to have Tawkerbot2 understand this sort of attack and thwart it. I hope to do this later. joshbuddy 23:03, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

The god of Tawkerbot2 Joshbuddy summed it up quite nicely :) -- Tawker 06:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Your Photo

Hi, I was wondering if you could update your photo so we can see what you look like today. I understand your current photo is from 2004. Thanks. --Hamgyonense 11:42, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Tawkerbot2 Log Messages

I've changed the format of tb2's log messages to have both the user page and user talk page. I hope you find this acceptable. Please let me know if you have any other ideas or suggestions. joshbuddy 17:36, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Is the current log message acceptable? Look at . Does this seem good to you? joshbuddy 18:07, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

I've made some changed to the format. Made it considerably shorter. An exmaple: Thanks. joshbuddy 19:30, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Belarusian language

Why did you include Belarusian language (7.04.2004) in the List of endangered languages, when there are 8 million native speakers of this language, it's the official language for Belarus (with 75% native Belarusian speakers) and there is Belarusian version of Misplaced Pages with 2600 articles. Хм... и зачем я пишу по-английски? :) --Alexey Petrov 05:35, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Is that stats right, that 73,7% of Belarusian people know Belarusian language as native? (http://ru.wikipedia.org/Белорусский_язык). If almost all parents know Belarusian, IMHO it's obvious that children will speak it freely, even without schools with main Belarusian language. Other sources for language education may be: Belarusian TV, Radio, Books, etc... - It's unlikely that all of them are already in Russian. Belarusian Misplaced Pages is a good example. --Alexey Petrov 01:02, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Manual of Style for Disambiguation pages

Hello. For edits to disambiguation pages (e.g. Light) please refer to Misplaced Pages:Manual of Style (disambiguation pages). Thanks! Ewlyahoocom 08:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Please refer yourself there and don't revert other people's cleanup. `'mikka (t) 00:30, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Changes made to the Tap Dance page

Hello. Why did you delete the external link to iDance.net? I feel this is a very dance related link, one that is potentially of interest to many lovers of tap dance. Is it a link to a for profit business? Yes. Does that make it less related or of interest? No. I have seen many other external links to businesses, so I don't understand why you removed this one. Please explain. Thanks!

We are in business of writing encyclopedia, not web directory. I am sure there are hundreds of websites with interesting information. The point is that wikipedia must provide its own information. You are welcome to add useful text into the article. People can use google themselves. `'mikka (t) 00:21, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree that Wiki is not a web directory, but for example on the Lindy Hop page there is an external link to Yehoodi. This is a for profit business. I think it should be listed on this page because its very dance related, but why not iDance. Whats the difference?

Yehoodi deleted. Thanks for noticing. That's the whole point. Why not this, why not that... Why not write 2-3 phrases into the article? `'mikka (t) 00:28, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

So its ok to write a few sentances in the Tap (or lindy hop) article with an external link to iDance, but not to place it in the external links section? That seems a bit weird. I mean, I don't mind doing that, and I guess that would allow me to explain what iDance is and what kind of resource to the dance community it is, but seems un-necessary.

Why would you want to have a link to iDance? Is it a well-known, established, reputable source of information with reputable authors, known in trade? `'mikka (t) 00:35, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, thats why I think it should be there. As a member of the Lindy Hop Community for 4 years I feel its a valuable resource to that community. You should take some time to check out the site, before you delete the link.

As it happens I am a dancer myself (not Lindy, but WCS, Salsa & ballroom) and I would like very much to have as much dance info available online. If you say that all I asked is true, then please write a good wikipedia article about this site and tell me when it is ready. `'mikka (t) 00:42, 11 April 2006 (UTC)