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| Hey, Bugs! Wow - this is a "dilly of a pickle". What is going to happen with this, do you think, and what is it leading towards? You must know that they are going to get you if you go back to your "old ways" on either of those two boards - a more formal, RfC-based community will be requested if this one doesn't pass (or they will bring the old one back, as has been suggested). I think you've honored the spirit of your self-imposed topic ban, and started a thread that was very ill-advised. The desire to silence you grows stronger, or at least remains strong, and perhaps it's best to stay on a break from it, as you have been. All the best, and good luck with this unpleasantness! ] ] 00:39, 5 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :I don't much care at this point. I've taken all the admin-type pages off my watch list. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 05:13, 5 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :*]: ] It's the ]... avoid it like ]~!!! ''¡Ándele! ¡Ándele! ¡Arriba! ¡Arriba! ¡Epa! ¡Epa! ¡Epa! Yeehaw!'' --<small>] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup></small> 16:52, 5 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::*Sí. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 10:48, 6 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Thanks for coming to my assistance == | |||
| I don't think SoG crowd is going to do stuff now that I've blown the whistle. ] (]) 19:56, 6 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Cooper == | |||
| Regarding ...I don't view my engaging at ] as a "", and I certainly don't appreciate the thought that me being an administrator makes a difference. This is a case of ], pure and simple, and any editor can - and should - feel free to engage in the discussion. I already expressed the opinion that it wasn't a matter for ANI...for you to then say (paraphrasing) "it's resolved because an admin stepped in" suggests far more than I intended or feel is appropriate. Of course, you're free to disagree, but I don't like the thought that an admin saying "we need to achieve consensus" carries any more weight than, for example, if ''you'' had said so. <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">] | ]</span></small> 19:04, 10 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :The ANI issue ''is'' resolved, because he wouldn't listen to me, but he listened to you, and now he's using the talk page instead of edit-warring. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 22:02, 10 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::You miss my point completely. This isn't about one person ''listening'' to another. It's about your belief that admin action was necessary in the first place (it wasn't) and did anything to improve the situation (it didn't). You did not engage with Derby; you simply , then went to ANI, and then, incredibly, when clearly had (or, indeed, has) been reached. <small><span style="padding:2px;border:1px solid #000000">] | ]</span></small> 02:32, 11 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::I went to ANI for help. You gave the needed help. Thank you! ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 02:35, 11 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == A Very Muppety Problem == | |||
| Hello Baseball Bugs, approximately two months ago, you and I spoke of an IP hopper (which you named "Kermit") who was causing disruptions on ] article and other associated ones. Shortly thereafter, the page was given semi-protection and the IP blocked from editing. It had ''appeared'' to end successfully. Unfortunately, it looks like Kermit is back at it again (under a new IP). I'm hoping you can assist me on tackling this problem again. I have written a new section on the ] and left two messages on ]. I would be much obliged to your help, thanks! ~ ] (]) 21:30, 10 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :I'm supposed to stay away from admin-like activities for the foreseeable future. However, the admin (User:Frank) who posted in the previous section is a helpful sort. I recommend you go to him and ask for advice on this matter. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 02:37, 11 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::Thank you for the advice. I'll send a message to Frank as soon as I can! ~ ] (]) 21:40, 10 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == "No harm, no foul" == | |||
| Hi Bugs. My apologies for inadvertent trolling ]. I guess I read too much ] and ] cartoons, and should have flagged the comment "political cartoonists who hate freedom" as satirical. Then again, I started the ] article, so who knows what my political views really are? --] (]) 11:57, 11 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Reptile? Pfft, everybody knows the ''real'' GOP animal ambassador is ]. ;) - ] <sub><font color="maroon">]</font></sub> 18:07, 11 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == Regarding the Bicycle Kick == | |||
| You can read my explanation of the information provided on my user page, which is from where Keysanger took it. More than likely, he has a scheme in plan; but he likes to keep me in suspense. The key determinant of why neither ''Arafael'' or me wrote that is that message is that the alleged name provided to ] was false. In fact, it was probably somebody from Wikimedia Chile who created some fake account and made the Facebook post (in order to accuse us of canvassing). Regards.--] | ] 13:19, 12 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :OK, I have a good memory, it's just ''short''. What's this about again? ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 21:35, 12 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::This is a really, really, really long subject; ''so we'll have to take the (Acme) ]!'' <small>Warning: The following list may include some attempts at being funny about this serious, albeit silly, matter</small> | |||
| ::*Back in 2007 (or 2006), if you recall (I ''think'' you were somehow involved with this) I got into a content dispute with a Chilean user (Selecciones de la Vida) and a British user (English Peasant) over the information in the ] article. | |||
| ::*After these users got their way on the article they abandoned it (not surprisingly). So I finally managed to make my improvements to it (which is the current version of it). It's really impossible to make a ''good'' article out of it given the tremendous lack of information available to do it. | |||
| ::*In 2010 (or 2011), I made an expedition to the Spanish wikipedia to bring the light of my work into their article. Instead, I met the tribe of aggressive Chilean folk (otherwise known as ''Wikimedia Chile''), whom brought along their warriors and chief (aka, administrator) to block any and all attempts at me trying to improve the article. My main argument was for them to change their article's from ''Chilena'' (Spanish for "The Chilean move") to ''Tijera'' (Spanish for "Scissors kick"). I based my argument on dictionaries (particularly one from the University of Barcelona, written by some person with the strange name of "Nomdedeu Rull"; I'm assuming his name must be Catalan), and they based their position on the made-up statistic that "chilena is the common name in Spanish". | |||
| ::*I somehow managed to survive my expedition and made it all the way to the Falkland Islands (which is not that far from Chile). There I began trying to help the editors improve the article for GA status. We made progress and even got a fancy new introduction made (IMO, that introduction is good enough even for an FA article; except the rest of the article is not quite up to it). | |||
| ::*Keysanger is, apparently, a Chilean (or related to Chile in some form or another) who has apparently the task to hunt me down here in the English wikipedia. We've had our fierce ''duels'' in the ] article, where we ended up getting the ] stuck down our throats by friendly administrators. I am relatively content with the outcome, which was a neutral solution; however, Keysanger is in no way happy about it. | |||
| ::Finally, leading to Keysanger's comment and your response to it (). | |||
| ::This is a really silly situation. Keysanger's little post in the language board not only demonstrates that he is still looking at my user page (which I really don't mind that much), but that he has something up his sleeve. Given your reply to his message, my purpose writing all of this to you is to keep you informed of the matter ''just in case'' you may end up getting involved in this matter (which, honestly speaking, is quite possible). | |||
| ::And this, Bugs, brings us to the end of our ride through the time machine. Best of wishes.--] | ] 00:12, 13 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::Wow, so you wait 4 or 5 years and you still end up getting kicked around like a soccer ball. Could you maybe provide me with some key diff's so I can figure out what this is about? ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 00:20, 13 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::Thank you Bugs, but at this point using diffs is practically pointless (there's just too many of them). Bicycle kick right now is on the peripheral because (1) ''Selecciones de la Vida'' and ''English Peasant'' (who is now "King of the Northeast" or something like that) never bothered to improve the article after the content disputes which, by all means purposes, they "won"; and (2) The improvements which I afterwards managed to attain are limited by lack of sources. Nobody is currently disputing anything on it; except that I have no idea why Keysanger made that translation request in the Language Board. His intentions are | |||
| ::::The center of the current problem is the ] article. You can just look at the ] page to see the big mess going on right now on it. The problem is the following: | |||
| ::::*Keysanger wants the article to include in the text that "Bolivia declared war on Chile". | |||
| ::::*I want the article to retain the text which states that "Bolivia announced a state of war with Chile". | |||
| ::::Keysanger bases his option on several sources which basically state that "Bolivia declared war on Chile". Generally, that would be the simple solution to the problem were it not for three things: (1) Sources exist which dispute this claim; (2) The authors which provide dates to the alleged Bolivian declaration of war contradict each other; and (3) When checking each of those dates with the actual events, none of them match with a declaration of war. | |||
| ::::Keysanger claims my position is (1) original research, (2) a fringe theory, and (3) Peruvian POV. However, my position is not original research given the existence of sources which argue that Bolivia did not declare war. My position is not fringe either as a handful of sources actually dispute the existence of a declaration of war. Finally, my position is not Peruvian POV given the existence of Italian, English, and American sources. | |||
| ::::Keysanger's strongest argument is the Fringe Theory one, because he has a long list of sources which repeat that "Bolivia declared war". The problem with these sources is that they are simply repeating things without going into detail about them. Only a few sources actually provide a thorough analysis of why they think Bolivia declared war. However, these few sources contradict each other on the date, and the closest concept to a declaration of war comes from the William F. Sater work which states that "Bolivia announced a state of war" with Chile (as a result of Chile invading their territory of Antofagasta without a declaration of war). | |||
| ::::The neutral mediator, an Australian by the name of "Alex", ultimately agreed to include the text "Bolivia announced a state of war". So, this is why I am now trying to keep the established "consensus". On the other hand, Keysanger is still unhappy about the result. Apparently, the only way he will be happy is if he manages to get someone to block me from Misplaced Pages (which would then allow him to edit the ] article to his liking). In this mess is where we go back to the ''Bicycle Kick'' question at the Language Board. What he plans to do at this point is a complete mystery to me. | |||
| ::::To conclude this thing: There's just way too much ] involved here. To me this is all silly, particularly because Misplaced Pages is for me a hobby which entertains my mind (''not'' a battleground). I know that me writing all of this to you is pointless because you want to see the diffs. I know that this isn't because you're a "bad guy" (anyone else would have just ignored the subject), but rather because without diffs you can't do much about this issue. So then you might wonder why I'm even writing all of this here? I'm writing simply to get my view across to others and to demonstrate that I'm not a POV nationalist (which is probably the picture that Keysanger wants to paint about me in the Language Board). Hopefully someday Keysanger will realize that holding a grudge against me won't get him anywhere, but there's not much else that I can do about it. Like that saying goes: "You can't make everyone happy". I do apologize to you for writing all of this bulk of text in your talk page; please do delete it (or collapse it into a box) if you want. Thank you for listening. Regards.--] | ] 02:22, 13 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::I don't think I can help with this. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 11:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::See, I knew Keysanger was planning something: . He has taken all of my statements out of context. This reminds me of all those movies and books about obsessions; and none of them have a good ending. By the way, I have recently done a massive improvement to the ] article. I'd like to take it for GA review, but need help with improving the English grammar. I would greatly appreciate your collaboration/suggestions on it. Best of wishes.--] | ] 16:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| == move discussion from WP's talk page == | |||
| ''begin cut/paste from WP's talk page'': | |||
| :::::::I can't speak for the blocked editor, nor do I condone edit-warring. However, I recall a year or two ago when I happened to see that image and couldn't believe it was being allowed here. It may well have been innocently chosen, but that doesn't make it appropriate for wikipedia. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 00:33, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::Then comment at the appropriate talk page. I don't care what image is used; but edit warring and accusations of racism are not on. --] (]) 00:45, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::::::Can you see why someone might interpret that image as being some kind of stereotype? ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 00:59, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::::::Taking this to your talk page. --] (]) 01:01, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ''end cut/paste'' | |||
| I think people who read that into the image are a little too focused on penis size. There is an extraordinarily wide range of body shapes, races, penis sizes, arm length, etc etc. You can't show them all in one image, and you can't try to insist on every characteristic being some median or average. If there's a consensus that too many things are out of proportion, then find a better one (or get a consensus that the old one is better). No, I don't agree that the image is some kind of stereotype, but that isn't even what WP is saying; he's saying that the image creator, and those supporting this image, are doing it for racist reasons. --] (]) 01:08, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :Maybe if it had a white face instead of an Asian face it would be less of an issue. And if they insist on denying the obvious and reposting the illustration, then it starts to ''look like'' racism, whether it actually is or not. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 01:12, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::There are some perfectly well-reasoned arguments (which you may disagree with) by half a dozen people about this image at ]. Insisting that an image that has consensus not be replaced by someone screaming "racist" start to look like racism, whether it is or not? That makes no sense. --] (]) 01:18, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::''Your'' comment makes no sense. What's so special about this particular image that you all want ''it'', in particular, and no other? "Hey, Buddy, what happened? Where's the rest of it? Did they do your circumcision with a samurai sword?" ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 01:23, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::You're not paying attention. ''I don't want it''. I don't ''care''. If you want to know why ''they'' want it, read the link. It doesn't appear they want this over any other possible image, they want this over the previous image. --] (]) 01:28, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| :::::Maybe someone should put the two male images side by side, with the caption, "Why the Allies won the War", and then maybe the lightbulb would come on. ←] <sup>'']''</sup> ]→ 01:31, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| ::::::Bugs, please stop being a dick about this. --] (]) 01:39, 14 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
| {{od}} | |||
| * --<small>] <sup><span style="font-family:Italic;color:black">]</span></sup></small> 16:03, 19 March 2012 (UTC) | |||
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