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Infobox: Notable people representing Han

I've updated the infobox with a mosaic of notable Chinese Han. The previous pictures mainly focused on Han people that have lived/are living in the 20th and 21st centuries, which obviously isn't an accurate representation of the entire history of the Han ethnic group. It's also much more cleaner looking than the previous mess of pictures. The following are rationales for the inclusion of each picture, and what they represent:

• Chien-Shiung Wu: Representing Modern Chinese science
• Du Fu: Representing Chinese poetry
• Sun Yat-Sen: Representing China in the early 20th century
• Deng Xiao Ping: Representing modern China
• Confucius: Representing Confucianism in Chinese philosophy
• Sun Tzu: Representing Chinese warfare
• Laozi: Representing Daoism in Chinese philosophy
• Cao Xueqin: Representing Chinese literature
• Xuan Zang: Representing ancient Chinese science
• Tang Taizong: Representing Imperial China
• Tsung-Dao Lee: Representing Modern Chinese science, as well as Taiwanese Han Chinese and American Han Chinese
• Sima Qian: Representing Chinese historiography
• Han Wu Di: Representing Ancient China
• Xuan Zang: Representing Buddhism in China
• Cai Lun: Representing Chinese inventions
• Qin Shi Huang: Representing the Warring States Period and the unification of China

Any objections? Due to PRC/Taiwan political issues, I deliberately avoided Chiang Kai-Shek and Mao Zedong.--Hongkongresident (talk) 01:52, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I like the historical and cross-disciplinary balance, but can't but notice that 11/12 of the figures are men. Quigley (talk) 20:07, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

That's an unfortune artifact of a society that has been largely patriarchal for most of its history. The same can be seen with other historically patriarchal societies: the image for the article on French People, which has 4 women for 27 men, the article on German People, which has 2 women for 25 men, and the article on Greeks, which has no women. I think there could be a way to incorporate more women, like the Empress Dowager Cixi to represent the Qing Dynasty, but I wouldn't be sure who to replace. This is a tough problem, suggestions? --Hongkongresident (talk) 23:24, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

What about Wu Zetian? and also can you rearrange the placement? Leaders on 1st row, philosophers on 2nd row, and others categorized in 3rd and 4t row? And for each row do it chronologized order (eg. Qin Shihuang, HanWudi, Tangtaizong, Sun yatsen).--LLTimes (talk) 00:17, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm hesitant about Wu Zetian, her reign is too close to Tang Taizong's. However, I do want to see one of the Soong Sisters represented, perhaps Soong May Ling for Taiwanese Han Chinese. But, I'm against ordering it chronologically or by field. It goes against precedence, and nullifies one of the aims of the infobox picture, to compare and contrast notable Han from different time periods and different fields.--Hongkongresident (talk) 00:56, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Li Qingzhao, famous female Chinese poet, could be included. Would represent Song Dynasty poetry.--Hongkongresident (talk) 01:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Planning on expanding it to a 5x5 to include more entries. That leaves 9 open entries. --Hongkongresident (talk) 01:04, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

So far leaning towards: Yang Liwei (space travel), Empress Dowager Cixi (Qing dynasty), Lee Kuan Yew (Singaporean Chinese), Li Qingzhao (Song poetry), Shing-Tung Yau (mathematics), Soong May Ling (Taiwanese Chinese), Qiu Jin (modern Chinese literature), and Lai Man-Wai (Chinese cinema pioneer). Of these, Qiu Jin, Cixi, Li Qingzhao and Soong May Ling are women, which would up the count to 5.--Hongkongresident (talk) 01:26, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

Collage has been changed. There are now 6 women, and better quality pictures. --Hongkongresident (talk) 04:43, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Empress Dowager Cixi was a Manchu, not a Han.Дунгане (talk) 17:27, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Yes, thankfully I remembered to look her up before I started the collage, since I wasn't sure about her heritage (other than that she was an Empress of the Manchhu Qing Dynasty, but that didn't necessarily mean she wasn't Han). Didn't add her in, so there's nothing to worry about. --Hongkongresident (talk) 04:43, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Don't forget Su Shi. He may be the most well-known poet through the whole Chinese history.Besides,he is a notable artist, calligrapher, pharmacologist...-- A rare universal genius.--Kuanyui (talk) 05:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

Pictures

Upon looking at the pictures of the selected Notable Han Chinese, I cannot deny that Jiang Qing(江青) is definetely a notable one. But what the hell, why don't you include Qin Hui(秦桧) as well? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.127.216.60 (talk) 09:54, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

He represent Hanjian.--刻意(Kèyì) 19:26, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Overseas Chinese

Are we counting all Overseas Chinese as Han? I'm pretty sure the U.S. Census, for instance, only counts "Chinese" as an ethnicity and doesn't distinguish among ethnic groups from China. 98.209.116.7 (talk) 22:37, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Religion

Despite this section containing much positive writing about religious harmony and tolerance, etc. I see no mention of Falun Gong. Curious. Henners91 (talk) 14:23, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Why should a cult that have only been around for 20 years warrant a mention on an article dealing with the Chinese people? There have been many other cult/religious movements in Chinese history that have been far more important and impactful and yet they rightly receive no mention. Why should Falun Gong recieve special treatment? You an initiate of FLG perhaps?

Ethnicity or Panethnicity?

Maybe it should be more clear that there are many groups within Han, and by some measures do not constitute a single group — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.4.132.89 (talk) 00:35, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

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