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Archive One

Re-Organization

I recently changed the template so that the albums would be organized like this, but it's been reverted, and honestly it should be discussed first. This version not only follows the official discography on Zappa's website, but prevents overlap. Many of the albums don't really fit in one category alone (Sheik Yerbouti, for instance, is both a live album and a studio recording), so this seems like the easiest way to organize the dozens of albums out there.

The links to songs are necessary as well. We don't have to list every song that has its own article in the template. Almost every Pink Floyd song has its own article on Misplaced Pages, but they are simply linked to on their respective album pages. We should, in my opinion, have a section for singles. However, for some reason only two of Zappa's many singles have their own articles (Bobby Brown and Valley Girl). I don't know why that is. But I strongly believe that this version is much better than the template we have now. Friginator (talk) 20:23, 24 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, it's been more than two weeks without any comments, so per WP:SOFIXIT, I'm just going to change the template back now. Any thoughts? Friginator (talk) 01:30, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

If I had have been online two weeks ago I would have said this right then: I was thinking that with the genre-sorted version rather than the date-sorted, you could just allow albums to appear under multiple categories - for example 200 Motels would go under Studio albums and under Classical (where it rightly belongs, since all the best works on that album are the classical ones, and the same goes for Lumpy Gravy, Lumpy Gravy phase 3, Studio Tan, etc.....).

Not that sort-by-date is hugely wrong, but one possible objection might be that date of release != date of recording != date of composition. Pretty much all of the 90s ones weren't recorded in the 90s for example. Some of his classical works date to before the first Mothers even.

Stuart Morrow (talk) 17:34, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

I like the old categories better too, gave a much better overview of what's actually on the records, and was good for presenting the genre scope of his output. FunkMonk (talk) 20:25, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Part of what's better about the current version is that is matches up with the official Zappa discography. All music templates go by the release date, not when it was recorded. Friginator (talk) 21:55, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

The current revision is NOT better. It's garbage. The Zappa website is organized POORLY. These people do not know how to categorize albums. The albums are categorized much better by OFFICIAL SOURCES which properly place the albums as studio, live, compilation, etc. My organization was NOT placed by recording date, but how the album was released AS WELL as being properly categorized. You basically vandalized the article with the help of another vandal then rolled over me when I tried to FIX it. STOP DOING THIS. --WTF (talk) 17:20, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

• Sheik Yerbouti is NOT both a live and studio recording. It's a live album with studio overdubs. Having the live and studio albums separated makes it easier to read. Mixing them all up turns the template into a mess.--WTF (talk) 18:29, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Live and Studio

Note — There is a thread going on about splitting Albums into Studio albums and Live albums at Talk:Frank Zappa#Zappa Template. - DVdm (talk) 08:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Continuing where that left off...

The template looks to me like it's currently in a readable state. Hopefully readers won't have to guess which arbitrary category Broadway the Hard Way or Uncle Meat fall under in order to find the info they're looking for. This is about readers, not editors, after all. All albums listed are sourced according to Zappa's official discography. If it appears on the list, it's in the main section. If it's an "unofficial" album, or anything other than an official release listed by the Zappa Family Trust, it is linked to elsewhere on the template. Does anyone have any thoughts on the subject? Friginator (talk) 21:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

As user Wisdomtenacityfocus (talk · contribs) seems to ignore consensus as built on Talk:Frank Zappa#Zappa Template, I have put a warning at their talk page. - DVdm (talk) 10:50, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

There WAS NO CONSENSUS. What you did was in fact, falsely accusing another editor of edit warring for trying to improve your precious formatting to make it readable instead of jumbled up garbage. You clearly do not understand what the phrase "edit warring" means. STOP vandalizing articles and talk page templates like this. --WTF (talk) 17:18, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

Note - A case about this matter was opened at Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution noticeboard. See opening statement and closing note. - DVdm (talk) 15:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

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THIS is much better formatted than the current revision, which looks like crap. Two editors keep reverting to a disorganized revision despite it being COMPLETELY UNREADABLE. Please change it back to THIS revision. --WTF (talk) 17:15, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

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